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Cassandra

“The universities of New Zealand are the cradle of the nation’s current condition of cultural confusion and distress, and university graduates have carried the ideological viruses acquired there into every significant New Zealand institution.” Veteran lefty Chris Trotter has acquired wisdom with age.

PS Good new so far re Gaza and hostages.
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October 14, 2025 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  Summed up by Dame Mary Beard getting away with racist , homophobic ,misandry towards sportsmen .
  
  ‘The revered classicist and art historian believes that Cambridge has been ‘transformed for the better’ since her time there because ‘there aren’t any of those thick white rugger buggers’. ‘
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15186781/Mary-Beard-Cambridge-better-thicko-rugby-players.html
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:11am
  - Eastlander
    
    Sportsmen, especially at universities are often far superior to resentful, unathletic nerds, intellectually speaking.
    
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    October 14, 2025 1:08pm
  - Kevin
    
    On the other hand, she is really top notch with Tom Holland on The Rest is History podcast recently on the Trojan War. She is a Lefty and a misandrist, but truth comes from unlikely sources sometimes unaware of what they say.
    Eris, the Witch of Discord, offended at not being invited to the wedding of goddess Thetis and mortal Peleus ( parents of Achilles yet to be) offers a Golden Apple to the greatest Goddess, unspecified. Of course, being women , Hera Athena and Aphrodite contest it – some fool of a man is chosen to choose, chose the good looking one, and the Trojan War is the result.
    Which is why Power Wisdom and Beauty are irreconcilable with each other, except to those who ignore the Mary Beards without being overtly rude to witches.
    
    On the other, other hand, Lord Byron who went to Cambridge, the mad bad and dangerous to know as described, was a sodomist fond of boys. All the women threw their knickers at him and I don’t doubt M Beard would be with the rest. So, there’s that.
    
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    October 14, 2025 7:54pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I prefer Sister Wendy.
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46687275
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:45pm
  - Kevin
    
    What does she mean by ‘sportsman’?
    Harold Wilson, PM of Great Britain, although married, had an affair it is alleged with Marcia Williams, his political secretary. And recent research suggests he engaged in connubial bliss with another, while still being sporty with Lady Falkender aka Marcia Williams.
    Is Mary Beard the Lefty, traducing H Wilson the Sportsman?
    PM David Lange, so far as I know, only cheated on his wife- not his mistress as well. Helen Clark in that Red Wedding of a Labour Cabinet is the closest to a Lady Falkender that comes to mind, but the idea of our David engaging in plunging fire with the ( to be) Lady of the Gaza Tunnels boggles the mind.
    
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    October 14, 2025 8:57pm
- R
  
  Chris Trotter, one of the very few LEFTIES capable of looking outside the ‘square’
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:27am
  - Raphael
    
    indeed. Even when I completely disagree with his opinion, I will listen to what he has to say, as he is capable of disagreeing with someone without resorting to all sorts of nasty names
    
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    October 14, 2025 8:41am
  - David George
    
    Chris is well worth listening to, he’s informed and intelligent but, best of all, he’s not an ideologue.
    
    “Ideologies are substitutes for true knowledge, and ideologues are always dangerous when they come to power, because a simple-minded I-know-it-all approach is no match for the complexity of existence.”
    ― Jordan B. Peterson,
    
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    October 14, 2025 10:29am
- Philview
  
  I have yet to subscribe to a Substack as there are lots of them but I am contemplating Chris’s Substack as he puts out the first few sentences for free and I am often intrigued what he says in the rest of the article.
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:50am
Rodney Hide

God bless Donald Trump. God bless Benjamin Netanyahu. God bless the great State of Israel.

Rodney Hide
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October 14, 2025 8:03am
- imalwaysright
  
  Netanyahu will be thrown out at the next election, which should be very soon.
  The Israeli people see him for what he is and have had enough of his ulterior motives.
  Yes, peace to Israel. And peace to everyone else.
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:11am
  - kowtow
    
    At least Israel gets to chose . The rest , not so much.
    
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    October 14, 2025 8:54am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Correct. The presumption that the Palestinians freely voted in a terrorist regime is unrealistic at best.
      
      Hard to imagine an armed fanatical terrorist regime nervously awaiting election results.
      
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      October 14, 2025 11:50am
      - Foxfour
        
        Hamas seized power in Gaza from its coalition partner Fatah and the PA in a short but bloody coup
        
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        October 14, 2025 2:02pm
  - leoj
    
    Netanyahu is a hero who acted to make Hamas pay for their horrific terrorism on Oct 7th, ’23.
    
    While Biden was president, Israel was not able to respond as they were entitled to do.
    
    Hamas had to be destroyed. It is the only way forward.
    
    Prediction: The truce will be broken – by another Islamic gang, not by Israel.
    
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    October 14, 2025 10:13am
    - Foxfour
      
      Blinken said the Biden secured a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas in January, resulting in the release of 135 hostages before the deal fell apart.
      
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      October 14, 2025 2:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Comparing the terrible ceasefire Blinken and Biden brokered to this one is so disingenuous. That ceasefire was never viable because it left hostages in the hands of Hamas, and it provided no path to disarm and fully defeat the terrorist group, instead demanding Israel essentially surrender. It was the typical warmed-over slop we’ve come to expect from the Obama/Biden axis of foreign policy expertise. ‘
        ‘At no point did the Biden administration apply any pressure on the Arab nations to turn against Hamas and end the war. More importantly, they never applied pressure on Iran, which was fueling the conflict in Gaza and propping up Hezbollah in the north as a threat. In short, the entire region was on fire, and it was handed over to Trump in far worse condition than Biden and company found it.’
        https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/10/12/unbelievable-antony-blinken-gives-biden-credit-for-gaza-deal-shows-he-is-incapable-of-shame-n2194995
        
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        October 14, 2025 2:41pm
- sungsamning
  
  I’ll second that.
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:14am
- mogg
  
  Luxon and the coalition can also hold their heads high, unlike the snivelling Starmer, Macron and Albanese, they were all a hindrance not a help in achieving this peace deal.
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:29am
  - Foxfour
    
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    The cumulative effect was to force Netanyahu and his cabinet to accept the proposal.
    It was only 2 weeks back
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:04am
    - Notsofast
      
      Netanyahu forced Qatar by bombing Doha.
      Trump forced the region by bombing Iran.
      Two supremely ethical endeavours.
      
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      October 14, 2025 9:18am
    - rouppe
      
      I think it was Hamas that had to be dragged into accepting the proposal. None of this would have happened if Hamas had returned the hostages 2 years ago.
      
      I think Muslim neighbours getting involved was the impetus required. And that is down to Trump as well.
      
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      October 14, 2025 9:43am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Exactly
        F4 doesnt know.
        I had to laugh how Trump blocked Starmer at the Press Conference.
        Just stood in front of him.
        Not much influence on display there!
        Not even respect- and rightly so. Starmer is the worst.
        Lol
        
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        October 14, 2025 2:43pm
      - Paulus
        
        You are assuming that Hamas has any real agreement to what is still under discussion despite a good early start, whilst they rearm.
        Many more people are back in Gaza with nowhere to live, but to be there for the media, as not enough have been there as so many are now.
        Israel is hands tied by that move.
        
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        October 14, 2025 2:56pm
  - Positan
    
    I suspect Luxon’s position would have been very different if Peters’ and Seymour’s input hadn’t been involved.
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:10am
    - Ghost
      
      No, Luxib said well before their announcement that there would be no Palestine state while hamas was in control. It’s a shame some of you can’t deal with this announcement without spinning it to what you so desperately want it to be. Who needs msm when you have kiwibloggers who can spin a lie better than them
      
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      October 14, 2025 9:19am
      - R
        
        ‘ some can’t deal with’, it’s not so much can’t deal, but a individual inability to comprehend the global significance of such statements. This failure to comprehend, can be traced back to the mid 1980’s when education stopped, and indoctrination began.
        
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        October 14, 2025 10:32am
      - pdm
        
        Ghost he was stating the Governments position then. That would have included input from Peters as Foreign Affairs Minister and also Seymour as Deputy PM.
        
        Seymour was the one holding the stronger line – as he does on a lot of Government issues.
        
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        October 14, 2025 12:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        No. Really, the pm was stating the position of the government he leads, who woulda thought that,….. and that position hasn’t changed since he first issed a statement in 2023. Just some of you can’t accept that and want to twist it to what you so desperately want it to be. Some of you are bigger liars than the msm. Who needs msm when the right has people like you
        
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        October 14, 2025 12:22pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Yes, I believe you’re right. He’d have jumped into bed with the Jew haters.
      
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      October 14, 2025 11:47am
  - AitchW
    
    Not one female hostage has been returned alive.
    Every single apologist for Hamas is complicit in their deaths.
    Every Maori Party MP.
    Every Green MP.
    Every Labour MP.
    They all called for Palestine to be recognised.
    John Minto and his band of smelly hippies waving the Palestine flag every Saturday morning up and down the country.
    They all have blood on the hands and soaking their rainbow keffiyehs.
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:13am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not one female hostage has been returned alive.
      
      And that is the first time I have seen that terrible news reported.
      
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      October 14, 2025 9:38am
      - AitchW
        
        No doubt they were killed to stop them reporting the horrific treatment they received.
        The cavemen of Hamas seem not to realise that any dead hostages returned will undergo a post mortem exam.
        Mossad will be busy I expect.
        
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        October 14, 2025 9:53am
      - R
        
        Seems to be true, mind you I am relying on NZ MSM reporting, or lack of.
        
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        October 14, 2025 10:34am
      - Rodney Hide
        
        77 women were taken. 12 were killed on 7 October. 5 died in captivity. Of the 21 bodies still in Gaza, one is female.
        
        Rodney Hide
        
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        October 14, 2025 1:42pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        IF ONLY IT WAS TRUE.
        Just another squirt of mis information
        
        Since October 2023
        Women 84 released
        Men 41 released.
        
        Yes only men in the last batch. BECAUSE ALL THE WOMEN had already been released
        
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        October 15, 2025 12:11am
    - Boy Geoff
      
      Band of smelly hippies – I appreciate that; very apt.
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:15am
    - edhunter
      
      That sounded truly appalling, and unfortunately is complete bollocks. Of the 48 hostages left only one appears to be female. So then I had to look back to see if any previously released alive hostages have been female and of course there were.
      This is in no way meant to be seen as a defence for Hamas and the atrocities they’ve wrought on Israel & their own people, I mean the atrocities they’ve actually committed are bad enough without the need to make shit up.
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:22am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Well, their testimony would have been embarassing, even by Hamas’ standards.
      
      So best they be quietly offed. Dead women tell no tales of atrocities.
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:48am
    - Northshoredoc
      
      Were there any females left among the remaining hostages?
      
      I thought they had all been accounted for in previous hostage/prisoner swaps?
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:48am
    - Jack5
      
      One female hostage, Noa Argami, was rescued by Israeli soldiers in June last year. Her partner, Avinatan Or, a special forces soldier, was among the latest and last of the hostages freed.
      
      The pair were captured as they hid after the Hamas raid on the Nova Music Festival.
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:49am
    - SoloView
      
      @ AitchW
      BBC would seem to suggest at least 4 female hostages returned alive.
      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxnwnz1ldko
      
      USA today link also advises female hostage release.
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/10/13/hostages-freed-hamas-israel-ceasefire/86668179007/
      
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      October 14, 2025 2:10pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, I was very glad to see the Coalition had not jumped on the Jew hating bandwagon. Well done, Winston Peters.
    
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    October 14, 2025 11:46am
  - Kevin
    
    Did you forget Carney?
    Regimes with fading internal legitimacy need distraction at home, and the support of fellow hyenas. We have political carrion eaters here too, but they aren’t in power. And may they never.
    What will our jackals do when Govs in Canada, France, Australia and Blighty go down? As they will.
    Prob nothing different. The money for our jackals doesn’t come from the hyenas, I will bet. But from the same source, I bet.
    
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    October 14, 2025 8:10pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I suspect you dont know much about international politics and the game of persuasion.
    
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    October 14, 2025 10:36pm
Scott

I didn’t think this was possible! But apparently you can recover from TDS. Given the historic events in the Middle East some might want to consider this option?

Here is a lady who is a living example. She tells the president to his face that she has recovered from TDS:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPmV6MTksRD/?igsh=bXl1emY0NDF1c3dn

She now finds she is happier, she is healthier and she even thinks she has gotten more attractive.

So to all those out there suffering from this condition there is hope. Don’t let TDS ruin your life. 😎
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October 14, 2025 8:12am
- Foxfour
  
  We all remember Trumps peace plan where the US met with and signed off the withdrawal with the Taliban
  Trump said at 2020 election , ‘troops home by Xmas’ and they also most were despite having to fire his defence secretary for dragging out the withdrawal.
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:08am
  - rouppe
    
    What’s your point?
    
    Everybody wanted the usa out of Afghanistan, including Democrats and republicans and most of the soldiers themselves.
    
    But it was Biden who made a complete hash of the actual withdrawl.
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:38am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83HhEgj7kw
Toi Tu Tiriti feudal movement quits the Maori Party | Chaos continues.
This video examines the rift between Eru Kapa-Kingi’s Toi Tu Tiriti feudal movement and Te Partly Maori. When things don’t go his way, Eru calls for colonial politics; wrongly describing it as tikanga Maori; when in fact tikanga maori politics is the very things he’s complaining about.
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October 14, 2025 8:14am
- pdm
  
  The Herald seems to running interference for the Maori Party by not releasing the email in full.
  
  My interpretation is that they have a copy.
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:03am
  - James Stephenson
    
    There’s a certain level of arse-covering there too, I’d suggest. Repeating potentially defamatory allegations can get you into a bit of trouble…
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:31am
  - Flossie
    
    If every TPM member was included in the mailout it would be naive to think nobody would have provided a copy to the media.
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:49am
    - RoboRob
      
      I assumed the purpose of sending it to all members was that it would be leaked. This would allow TPM to slur the breakaway members without them ‘officially’ releasing the docs.
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:06am
      - pdm
        
        Perhaps `Devious’ John Tamihere copied two or three Herald people in as BCC email recipients to ensure the publicity then.
        
        Stuff people probably got copies too but, no one there worked out what they had or what to do with it.
        
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        October 14, 2025 12:14pm
  - sungsamning
    
    It wouldn’t surprise me. There’s the PIJF thing which is still running. And criticizing TPM would be ‘raycist’. //
    
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    October 14, 2025 11:51am
- leoj
  
  Who really cares about a bunch of misfit, crazy racists?
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:05am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhJYpb05NEc
Law and Order 1 Antifa 0.
Being designated as terrorists; and having police morale soar isn’t good for the Antifa thugs. And no more pay checks from rich liberals. What’s a fascist thug to do?
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October 14, 2025 8:15am
- Raphael
  
  I notice now the Left is trying to claim that Antifa doesn’t actually exist….
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:42am
  - Foxfour
    
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    How many FBI agents working on Antifa cases …..
    Thats right FBI is sending 1/4- 1/3 of its agents on immigration enforcement.
    Shows the priorities for a virtually non existent anti fa
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:10am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Antifa are just useful idiots ginned up and/or employed by various well-monied domestic and international interests who want to pull down the US and/or Republican interests.
      
      That behind the scenes financing and organization of Antifa by bad actors might provide opportunity for Trumps admin to employ legal means to tear down whole swathe of enemies
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:48am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Thats right FBI is sending 1/4- 1/3 of its agents on immigration enforcement’
      
      That sounds a lot. Can you prove it?
      
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      October 14, 2025 2:47pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Can you prove Antifa is a big threat according to FBI
        
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        October 14, 2025 4:32pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Maybe they’ve been watching Fox, and heard of the recent terrorist designation; and the donor class shutting their checkbooks.
    
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    October 14, 2025 11:53am
- Inandout
  
  sun, Antifa is not a myth, it exists in numbers.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_gduiqO1eM&t=85s
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:24am
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    A number of the leadership have headed overseas before they get nicked.
    
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    October 14, 2025 4:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Isey Cross, the subject of the film “James and Isey” has died. – 106 years old

https://www.nzfilm.co.nz/films/james-isey

lovely film.
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October 14, 2025 8:20am
- wsk12345
  
  Sounds lovely from thr lonk. But I have Maori fatigue which raises my BP. Safe to watch or no?
  
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  October 14, 2025 2:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Structured literacy is bringing in good results

https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/10/13/minister-hails-structured-literacy-for-boosting-new-entrant-reading/

Basic skills are the foundation for all learning – and for most of us they need to be taught to us, and reinforced repeatedly before we can become competent.
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October 14, 2025 8:33am
- R
  
  Didn’t seem to be the leading news on the breakfast TV this morning. Guess TV1 will hide behind the very welcome ME hostage release
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:44am
- Scott
  
  Maggy – quite right. This is a very good initiative from Erica Stanford and the coalition government. The kids are once again being properly taught how to read. This will impact every child including Maori kids and pacific island kids who have been left behind.
  
  Well done to Ms Stanford and the coalition government. This is a very meaningful change to the previous crowd who would have let things meander on. Our kids were falling behind on literacy, now they have a chance to catch up and actually learn something. Well done, credit where credit is due. 👍
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:02am
  - Flossie
    
    If a child is lacking in reading skills then surely that has an adverse affect on learning in most other subjects.
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:37am
    - imalwaysright
      
      It sure does Flossie,
      
      My wife is being asked to teach secondary level subjects to 14 year olds who are functionally illiterate and innumerate.
      
      Suggestions that they first be taught to read and count fall on deaf ears.
      
      I get the impression that they don’t want to interrupt their production line.
      
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      October 14, 2025 10:13am
  - R
    
    Scott , the children have been falling behind on every educational skill, for about 40 years. Listening to union pre Abercrombie, I don’t hear any indication of acknowledging the teaching fraternities part in this situation. I hope that the professional element of teachers still hold themselves above union obstructionism
    
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    October 14, 2025 10:41am
- RichardF
  
  This is great. Despite Luxon’s low popularity, the coalition are getting some good results. I’m confident they can repel the radical left government on offer with targeted messaging as we get closer to the election. No point sharing it all now, but if things like literacy keep heading in the right direction, they’ll have lots of results to talk about next year.
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:04am
- Southern Raider
  
  On OneNews last night
  
  Young primary school teacher “the change is amazing and I’m forecasting the results to keep improving”
  
  Old NZEI union boss basically “even a dead cat bounces” “we need more data and years of results before we can conclude if it’s been a success or not”
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:16am
- Foxfour
  
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  “asked to read aloud from a list of 40 words ”
  
  Its just standardised testing where ‘everyone exceeds expectations’ thus no standard worth having
  Its a PR story from the ministers office and to make the PM look good, hes included with Stanford this time .
  meanwhile the economy…
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Na, it’s little kiddies being able to crack the code for reading…..
    
    – quite different from primary school kids being left to “discover” the process of reading by some innate osmotic process.
    
    https://www.thereadingleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Whole-Language-High-Jinks-Moats.pdf
    
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    October 14, 2025 9:24am
  - RichardF
    
    Do you have primary school aged children? The evidence is overwhelming that structured literacy improves outcomes. How could any parent not support that?
    
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    October 14, 2025 10:28am
  - Jethrod
    
    Have you been told to say this by your lords and masters?
    
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    October 14, 2025 1:45pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Fraser House aren’t sending their best these days.
      Oh well, times are tight so I guess they have to make do.
      
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      October 14, 2025 2:49pm
- Notsofast
  
  40 years late.
  The damage done, the prisons full.
  Trevor Mallard did this in 2002 while education minister. The single worst act by a minister in our history.
  Irretrievable waste of human talent.
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:24am
- Local Miller
  
  Jan Tinetti’s comment “Just making all students sit the same test to get aggregate data at an oversight level won’t help the kids that are struggling.” didn’t survive long.
  It looks like the kids that are struggling are getting the help they need from a better method of education.
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:24am
  - Eastlander
    
    And their idea of helping the ‘struggling kids’ was to make sure that nobody else learned either.
    
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    October 14, 2025 11:08am
  - peterwn
    
    Labour thinks that targets, key performance indicators, etc for education, health, etc are a load of rubbish. Abolishing or downplaying them merely encourages laziness and hence poorer outcomes. They should not in an ideal world, but this is human nature at work.
    
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    October 14, 2025 11:17am
    - R
      
      Labour don’t believe in standards (KPIs), one only has to look at the calibre of their MP’s to notice that.
      
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      October 14, 2025 1:01pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Labour should be punished in the ballot for not unconditionally backing this education method.
    Clark, Key are complicit by default.
    This has been known and researched for 100 years.
    I have been saying to any parent who would listen get your children studying phonics at age 4 for the last 30 years, and under no circumstances trust the failed MOE with this critical skill.
    
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    October 14, 2025 1:28pm
Colville

On the day that one of the greatest and most unlikely events happened in the history of the Middle East conflict where President Trump brokered the release of captured hostages our beloved bastion of the media Stuff leads its edition with a campaign to teach kids to swim.

Not a bad cause but why today of all days?

Because they would rather choke before congratulating President Trump. That is why.

Utterly biased scum.
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October 14, 2025 8:43am
- greybeard
  
  They have changed their home-page format again for some reason: it now looks even more like a school project.
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:04am
kowtow

Important article by Jordan Williams , Tax Payers Union over on BBH.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jordan-williams-national-embedding-more-co-governance

‘ The National Party – despite all the talk about not wanting more co-governance – are embedding yet another race-based doozy that turns something that ought to be science-based into, well, race-based rent seeking.’
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October 14, 2025 8:57am
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes, an astounding article really !!
  If one had ANY doubt that deep down, the National Party are are bunch of disconnected MORONS by not strangling this crap at ‘birth’, this article, certainly removes all doubt !
  This typifies why intelligent youth and an increasing number of professionals we can ill afford to lose are fleeing this insanity ! How is it National cannot nip this crap in the bud. ? They are a pathetic bunch of ‘NANCYs’!
  
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  October 14, 2025 11:07am
  - kiwimike
    
    National are deliberately committing Treason against 83% of New Zealand with their racism.
    
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    October 15, 2025 9:09am
- Dougal10
  
  Legalised bribery .
  
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  October 14, 2025 11:22am
- nz_aj
  
  Somebody needs to do a better job of weeding out the public servants at MBIE who wrote this, with the hope that Nicola Willis has been too busy to read it properly and didn’t know what was going on. If it originated with National then at least ACT and NZF will stop it.
  So many things to fix with NZ, I’d like to see a lot more action.
  
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  October 14, 2025 11:51am
- imalwaysright
  
  Heard him on the Platform.
  
  Apparently any individual Maori, and specifically ONLY Maori , will be able to declare a cultural interest in any indigenous organism in NZ and will have the right to be dealt with in good faith over the use etc of the organism.
  
  It looks like we have gone from racial division to racial supremacy.
  
  Revolutions have been started over much less than this.
  
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  October 14, 2025 12:11pm
- Damocles11
  
  No-hopers Brownlee and his handler Luxon have let TPM get away their latest array of antics in the house. Parliament is now finished, the blanket policy of cowering appeasement practiced by National is reaping a bitter harvest everywhere you look. Disgusting!
  
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  October 14, 2025 4:01pm
Jack5

Thar she blows …

Moby Dick is back!

A white whale’s been sighted off Kaikoura. The media is hailing the animal as “Migaloo” — Aboriginal for “white fella,” sighted from time to time by Aussies.

What a tradition! Moby Dick the white-whale star of one of the English language’s great novels, prowled the Pacific before sinking the whalers’ ship.

According to Wikipedia, novelist Herman Melville based his whale on an actual white whale of whale-hunting days, Mocha Dick. What a novel, and what a beast.

New Zealand features in the book, with another whale famous to those tough old sailors — New Zealand Tom.

It’s time Greenies came to terms with NZ’s history has a whaling country. The world needed the whale oil, and from some whale species, bone for fashionable corsets.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rare-white-humpback-whale-sighting-off-kaikoura-sparks-excitement/BBZW5XRKEJCS3N3T4LQKG4PT7I/
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October 14, 2025 9:00am
- Don Beckett
  
  The illustrations in Moby Dick show a Sperm Whale. Maybe he was really a humpback.
  
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  October 14, 2025 11:50am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Story is based on the loss of the Essex a whaler which was sunk by a whale ramming it.
  
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  October 14, 2025 11:52am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Jack5, NZ’s whaling history is fascinating. I got a love for it from reading NZ’er Joan Druett’s books, both non-fiction and fiction. One of my sons lives on Long Is, NY and I love to drive up to New England and explore. Every whaling museum around there has some sort of NZ artefact or connection.
  
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  October 14, 2025 1:46pm
- Christopher Thomson
  
  Video of a white whale being harpooned in Chicago.
  
  They’re everywhere.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7KpwfDLeA
  
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  October 14, 2025 4:50pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Call me Ismail
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:53pm
RoboRob

Good poll results last night for the Coalition. National, Act and NZF all steady with Labour slightly down.

Luxon up by 3% in the preferred PM. Although net approval ratings for Luxon are somewhat dire.

A good result, hopefully this will be mirrored in other polling.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/10/13/poll-luxon-and-hipkins-approval-ratings-tumble-coalition-holds-steady/
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October 14, 2025 9:05am
- R
  
  Leaders who call a spade a spade of truth are never popular
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:47am
  - pdm
    
    R then Luxon should be on 50% because he is a waffler most of the time.
    
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    October 14, 2025 1:04pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Tell that to the mayor of Auckland!
    
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    October 14, 2025 3:55pm
- peterwn
  
  Chris Luxon’s priority this year is to get things done, not wasting time burnishing his image, Next year is the time to work on his image and be Father Christmas.
  
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  October 14, 2025 11:12am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I hope so. Like me, many have been disappointed in his performance, mainly in relation to taking a stand on controversial topics, and doing what he said he would do at the election – get rid of maorification & the treaty garbage.
    
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    October 14, 2025 11:52am
    - R
      
      get rid of…… He needs a non-coaltion mandate to govern, to do that. We would also like a level playing field, but 40 or so percent of the country want an easy entitled lifestyle.
      
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      October 14, 2025 1:07pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Both of Nationals coalition partners want to ‘get rid of’. It is National doing the blocking.
        
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        October 14, 2025 3:57pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    His priority is to get more co-governance done, apparently: https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jordan-williams-national-embedding-more-co-governance
    
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    October 14, 2025 6:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who would want to do research involving a NZ organism?

The Bill doesn’t just recognise a ‘treaty partner’, iwi, or hapū. It is quite literally race-based: recognising that only individual Māori can have a special relationship with indigenous plants and genomes.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jordan-williams-national-embedding-more-co-governance
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October 14, 2025 9:17am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Maggy, I reproduce a post I made a couple of years ago. Try this for a “special relationship”. The relationship is called “dinner” just for clarity.
  
  Yup kowtow, they were treasures because they were food. There were only birds and fish for them to eat. After all, Maori had a hand in making extinct the following:
  Giant Moa
  Eastern Moa
  Broad billed Moa
  Heavy Footed Moa
  Mantell’s Moa
  Crested Moa
  Chatham Duck
  Musk Duck
  Finsch’s Duck
  South and North Island Goose
  Chatham Islands Swan
  New Zealand Swan
  Scarlett’s Duck
  Chatham Island Merganser
  NZ Stiff Tailed Duck
  Chatham Islands Shelduck
  Raoul Island Pigeon
  South Island Adzebill
  North Island Adzebill
  Chatham Coot
  North Island Takahe
  Hodgens Waterhen
  Imbers Petrel
  Scarletts Shearwater
  Chatham Penguin
  Dwarf Yellow Eyed Penguin
  Waitaha Penguin
  Kohatu Shag
  Eyles Harrier
  Haast Eagle
  Chatham Kaka
  North Island Stout Legged Wren
  Long Billed Wren
  New Zealand Raven
  Chatham Raven
  
  Maori, guardians of NZ land and sea and the creatures on and in it. Yeah, right, go tell that oral history to those birds.
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:41am
- RoboRob
  
  Thanks for that.
  
  Unbelievable that National would intentionally setup another maori advisory group and give them the power of veto on science projects. They would give them powers that no non Maori New Zealander has.
  
  It was obvious after reading part way through that this was another ‘clip the ticket’ organisation. If scientists want to do research they will have to bribe the Maori advisory group to not object to their proposal.
  
  For those that haven’t read the attached link, The maori advisory group can veto any project without a means of appeal.
  
  Luckily for us NZF are refusing to support the bill and have serious concerns. They want major changes before passing it. Something I never thought I would say, thank you Winston.
  
  I will also add, a thank you to Act
  ‘ACT set out its opposition to the inclusion of a Māori Advisory Committee and the committee’s reliance on tikanga.
  
  “Tikanga is not a fixed or universal concept; it varies between iwi and hapū and lacks consistent content or application, making it unsuitable as a legal standard. A sound regulatory regime must be based on clear and stable definitions rather than vague, subjective, and spiritual cultural concepts.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/575797/nz-first-to-withhold-support-for-gene-tech-bill-unless-major-changes-are-made
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  Being discussed now by Williams on the Platform with Michael Laws .
  
  Hopefully will be available on podcast .
  
  This is important!
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:49am
Paulus

Over a beer yesterday us very oldies considered a proposition which may have an interest.
It appear that Winston is balking all over the place with the Coalition of which he is a leading member.
Cussid we would call it —
but here is the thought assimilated by the media, who still follow him in that the possibility of an early election as he continues to deliberately balk at whatever Luxon is doing – by which means early next year he will force an election on the basis that nobody will vote for Luxon, as we are told daily, before he retires it will be as Prime Minister of New Zealand.
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October 14, 2025 9:23am
- rouppe
  
  Too many variables and uncertainties in that theory.
  
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  October 14, 2025 9:33am
- Prince
  
  Unlikely.
  Under MMP it should be quite normal for one party to voice disagreement over a policy. It is what we like to call ‘diversity of opinion’, and shows who the adults in the room are.
  But the MSM describes it as ‘Coalition in Crisis’ when it suits them.
  Just ignore them, they are fading away.
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:04am
- waikatosinger
  
  Winston at 80 is still one of our best politicians. And he is only slightly older than Donald Trump who is kicking the world around at age 79.
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:39am
- peterwn
  
  Winston would force an early election as much as turkeys would vote for an early Thanksgiving.
  Indeed he would risk suffering a significant backlash if he forced an early election. Personally I consider that Winston has played his cards very astutely this Parliamentary term and has earned the level of support he now enjoys. He is also having fun!
  His preferred election outcome would be that Labour/ Green win sufficient votes that he could be in a coalition with them without needing the support of the pesky TMP, as well as the option of being able to be in coalition with National/ ACT.
  
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  October 14, 2025 10:41am
  - sungsamning
    
    If NZF gets into bed with Labour, I’m out, end of story.
    
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    October 14, 2025 11:59am
    - cmm
      
      They’ve done it before. Twice. Why won’t they do it again?
      
      He propped up Helen Clark and Cindy.
      
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      October 14, 2025 3:32pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Winston is the electoral equivalent of Hemorrhoids. NZ is seemingly stuck with it for life, extracting a high cost, frequent flair ups and generally limiting necessary activity and making everything worse.
  
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  October 14, 2025 11:16am
imalwaysright

A Scottish UK Reform councillor who said she “was born and bred here” is being investigated for saying it by the police.

https://youtu.be/06B6lViehe4?si=hvIPAWY_XYe69Bty

The reporter who immediately chastised the councillor was chilling.
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October 14, 2025 10:03am
RoboRob

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/575810/christopher-luxon-very-open-to-electoral-commission-running-local-elections

NO, just NO.

“I’m very open to that. In fact, the ministers and also Local Government New Zealand – those are conversations that have already started, and I think we do need to look at the actual mechanism by which we run the elections, and the involvement of the Electoral Commission and other things.

“So, Minister [Paul] Goldsmith with Minister [Simon] Watts and LGNZ leadership, I was even party to those conversations before the election as well.”

LGNZ, is the progressive left of NZ local government and they are working with the wet left of the National party. Nope, anything they think is great is likely not. Why on earth would we want to spend even more tax payers money to expand, the hopeless, electoral commission to mismanage council elections? Seems to me the councils do a better job of it then the electoral commission does.

As for Luxons, stupid belief, that having the electoral commission run council elections would increase turn out. I thought he was supposed to be smart? The issues with turnout are obviously not related to the voting process.

WTF is going on with National? Labour push for centralised government control, National by their charter, is supposed to be about individual responsibility and small government.
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October 14, 2025 10:28am
- imalwaysright
  
  Yes, LGNZ is a Labour party offshoot that poses as an organisation with the interests of ratepayers at heart.
  In reality they are an organisation designed to implement Labour policy at the Local Government level in order to undermine or bypass Parliament.
  They are tantamount to being subversives.
  
  Interesting that 3 of the top people at LGNZ were given a pasting at the elections last weekend and were voted out.
  
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  October 14, 2025 12:33pm
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Labour Government New Zealand. See what I did there.
    
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    October 14, 2025 4:18pm
R

Labour will give Winston the PM roll he so desires and covets. He has still not forgiven National for dumping him, and wants his utu
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October 14, 2025 10:52am
- cmm
  
  Did you mean role?
  
  I think he does need a roll though.
  
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  October 14, 2025 12:36pm
- Jack5
  
  A minority party in a coalition providing the Prime Minister?
  
  Is that even a remote possibility?
  
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  October 14, 2025 12:46pm
  - Ghost
    
    Nope, will never happen
    
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    October 14, 2025 1:20pm
  - cmm
    
    Improbable, but possible.
    
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    October 14, 2025 2:28pm
  - cmm
    
    According to Wikipedia (yes, far from perfect), “By the conventions of responsible government, the governor-general will call to form a government the individual most likely to receive the support, or confidence, of a majority of the elected members of parliament (MPs)”
    
    Although this is most likely to be the party leader of the major party in the coalition or whatever, there is no absolute requirement to do so.
    
    As I understand it, the person does not have to be from the major party or, for that matter, even have to be an MP!
    
    Chloe could become Prime Minister. Maybe even I could! In theory anyway. In practice both of those are very unlikely.
    
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    October 14, 2025 3:41pm
  - MCōs
    
    Happens with some frequency in Thailand, which also has a form of MMP.
    The current PM, since last month, is the leader of the Bhumjaithai party which has 69/500 seats in the house of representatives.
    The previous PM was from the Pheun Thai party which has 140/500 seats. She was unseated by the Constitutional Court
    The previous PM was also from the Pheun Thai party He was unseated by the Constitutional Court after about a year
    The winner of the last election including their leader who would have been PM were banned by the Constitutional Court.
    (He was sent to secondary school in Hamilton, which he detested because there’s nobody there!)
    
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    October 14, 2025 4:36pm
    - MCōs
      
      On the plus side everyone in their parliament is perfectly dressed as they skim millions of dollars from tenderers for public projects
      
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      October 14, 2025 4:47pm
fightingtemeraire

Story is based on the loss of the Essex a whaler which was sunk by a whale ramming it.
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October 14, 2025 11:52am
cmm

It is funny how you can blow $500 million with impunity, but get tripped up on the $10k-level porkies…

There’s a kerfuffle over abusing money at ACC to spend $17k on a farewell.

Justification is that, to quote $1uff: “in accordance with tikanga requiring ACC to hand executive leaders back to their whānau”

Hence the need for a family member to travel to Wellington and be put up in a hotel to accept the executive back from loan to the government.

And: “The event was attended by a number of ACC kaimahi, including 18 staff members who travelled to Wellington. While some of these staff also participated in strategic planning meetings, their presence at the farewell was considered culturally appropriate and encouraged.”

Can’t we please get this Maori bullshit out of our wallets?

Later today I am sending in an ACC payment of $2567. Depressing to think that is only a sixth of what is needed to keep their taniwha fed at one event.

ACC is apologizing. Really? I don’t believe it. This is just a fake apology for getting caught.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/acc-apologises-after-whistleblower-complaint-leads-to-ombudsman-investigation-exposes-costs-from-senior-boss-farewell-event/VVO2L7E5E5CWTIM7A6QBP22C6A/
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October 14, 2025 12:14pm
BeaB

The ‘expert’ on RNZ this morning told us that while Trump might have achieved peace in the Middle East, he has ‘declared war’ at home. I am amazed. Am I the only one who didn’t know anything about this new war, declared by the US president on his own country?
This assertion went unchecked by Kathryn Ryan and I heard no correction later.
Is this why we can trust the MSM?
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October 14, 2025 1:00pm
- Philview
  
  Antifa has the look of a paramilitary organisation and Trump is going after it.
  
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  October 14, 2025 1:45pm
- MCōs
  
  There are quite a few references to Trump referring to a ‘war from within’ in the USA media and elsewhere that he made during a speech to an assembly of top brass
  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-directs-generals-defend-us-war/story?id=126087035
  
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  October 14, 2025 1:58pm
AitchW

How is a stff member resigning/retiring seen as “handing them back to their whanau”?
Did the whanau “hand them over” when they started work there?
This sounds like some dripping wet European in ACC desperately trying to be kind to Maori, and the Maori staff grabbing the opportunity with both hands!
Does any other government department have a handing back ceremony?
(I do recall the Police Commisioner being handed over to the Aussie cops not long ago, and as far as I can tell he’s not even Maori!)
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October 14, 2025 1:05pm
- Foxfour
  
  That Police commissioner left NZ Police (2020) long before securing a new job in Melbourne (2025)
  
  So you have invented the ‘handover’
  
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  October 14, 2025 2:06pm
  - AitchW
    
    Effectively, we will pass Mike to the Aboriginal people [Wurundjeri and Boonwurrung] who will in turn pass him to the Australian Police.”
    Bay of Plenty Times, 25 June.
    I await your apology.
    
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    October 14, 2025 2:38pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      F4 wrong again?
      Say it isnt so
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      October 14, 2025 2:50pm
    - keepcalmcarryon
      
      The poor Aussies, after Mike bungled the Pike River recovery, presided over licensing Tarrant and stopped rescuers from helping on White Island , he’s now helping lose a gunman in Australia.
      Still, they’ve got the worlds best GuN rEgIsTeR over there so he should be able to prevent the crime before it happened.
      
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      October 14, 2025 4:24pm
    - Foxfour
      
      The full story is behind a paywall.
      It just says the iwi of BOP had a powhiri
      
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      October 14, 2025 4:37pm
      - AitchW
        
        It also quotes them saying they “Passed him to the tribe in Aus.” No invention.
        I won’t hold my breath however.
        
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        October 14, 2025 5:17pm
  - Fender
    
    Every principal in any school is handed over on a job change in at least the last 10 years
    It requires a team of people to travel to wherever they are moving to , a powhiri a few speeches, food etc
    It makes absolutely no difference whether they are black ,white, South African, private school catholic whatsoever.
    Most schools have to find someone who is the right colour and can speak to actually go because often there isn’t anyone in the existing staff who can do it so a parent or someone is roped in
    
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    October 14, 2025 5:21pm
Cassandra

“Can’t we please get this Maori bullshit out of our wallets?” has got to be the quote of the year!
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October 14, 2025 1:25pm
Ghost

What a lovely person…..

On the night of Budget Day 2024, Eru Kapa-Kingi is alleged to have called a Parliamentary security guard a “f…en white bald head c…”, “a piece of s..t”, and threatened to “f…ing knock you out”. Here’s a full look at the allegations.

Article
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October 14, 2025 2:14pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, sounds like $120k worth of enforcer!
  
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  October 14, 2025 2:36pm
- AitchW
  
  And he’s a university lecturer.
  Let us hope the university looks at this and reconsiders if he’s someone they want on the payroll.
  
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  October 14, 2025 3:53pm
  - Foxfour
    
    Working remotely at 1 job ?
    
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    October 14, 2025 4:38pm
  - cmm
    
    Minto is/was a school teacher. What’s your point?
    
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    October 14, 2025 4:44pm
    - AitchW
      
      My point is that no employer wants a foul mouthed thug like that working for them, especially when people know for whom he works.
      And an institute of higher learning should have higher standards.
      Or does he get a free pass because of his ink?
      
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      October 14, 2025 6:03pm
cmm

Seen on LinkedIn, just when you thought we might be exiting this era of wokeness…

“I’m happy to share that I’m starting a new position as Culture and Inclusion Partner at Environment Canterbury!”
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October 14, 2025 3:08pm
Ghost

Brownlee has called for a meeting of the business committee, he wants changes.

https://www3.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20251014_050520000/brownlee-gerry
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October 14, 2025 3:45pm
- cmm
  
  “Our Standing Orders suppose that all members are honourable members, and that they can be taken at their word.”
  
  Gerry wakey wakey, hand off snakey… that might have been the case 171 years ago but that’s not what has been happening in the last few years.
  
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  October 14, 2025 3:56pm
- Local Miller
  
  Oriini Kaipara should be referred to the Privileges Committee regardless of the fact that it was only minutes after being sworn in. Watching her speech it was clear she knew what the bell meant and was deliberately ignoring it, even making a snide comment after the 2nd or 3rd time, along the lines of “I hear you”.
  If she was following the instructions of her leaders in TPM or not, maybe even more so, to show that you can’t disrespect the house and then hide behind daddy’s coat tails.
  As an MP she needs to learn that the Standing Orders will be enforced without favoritism and her leaders need to learn that they can’t manipulate the house through their junior MPs.
  
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  October 14, 2025 5:16pm
cmm

Another Maori pushes the boundaries and discovers zero consequences in parliament.

Ok, what next… like kids they will push until they get some pushback.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360854458/no-punishment-oriini-kaipara-despite-being-disorderly-and-contemptuous
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October 14, 2025 3:52pm
- AitchW
  
  They’ll be pointing their fingers at people they don’t like and going “pew pew”.
  Oh, wait…..
  
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  October 14, 2025 3:54pm
cmm

Tory is “shocked” by her election defeat.

She thought she could ease out of the mayor’s chair into a cruisy council role to keep her in clover.

Perhaps the delusion will now release its grasp on her.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360854329/shock-some-regrets-mostly-relief-says-tory-whanau-she-looks-ahead-life-outside-council
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October 14, 2025 4:00pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Remember, she did rate her own performance as 9/10 in some interview, so she probably thinks she did a great job.
  
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  October 14, 2025 8:35pm
- Eastlander
  
  She’s not one of the local Maori so when Labour chose to contest the seat and run someone who was, she was doomed. Her only hope was that labour would leave the way the clear for her, but it seems there was actually no deal – Whanau appears to have just given up on reelection and left the Greens unable to scrounge up a new candidate.
  
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  October 15, 2025 6:52am
Foxfour

Reminds me of KB comments after nationals loss in 2017
The denial stage took over 9 months , with some expecting the GG to step in and ….something according to an invented rule about largest party
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October 14, 2025 4:47pm
- Local Miller
  
  What reminds you of this? You seem to be responding to another comment but you haven’t actually replied to a comment.
  
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  October 14, 2025 5:18pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360854670/greens-say-trump-shouldnt-get-any-credit-israel-gaza-peace-deal
Not surprising that the ignorant Green Party won’t give President Trump credit for anything.
But it is stretching their credibility a bit far for them to say he should have done this or that years ago.He has been President for less than a year this time.
What did President Biden do for the previous four years about Gaza, Israel and Palestine etc?
I guess neither Chloe nor Marama would know or care.
Just wearing a big scarf and virtue signalling is all they can achieve.
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October 14, 2025 5:39pm
- Ghost
  
  Sounds like some Biden level dementia. Trump could have stopped this a year ago. Um, ok, who was president a year ago, an auto pen, trump was only sworn into office this year. Sounds like they want credit for wearing tea towels in parliament for the peace deal.
  
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  October 14, 2025 5:53pm
Ghost

The Government has locked in a Chinese state-backed shipbuilder to construct two new Cook Strait ferries, Rail Minister Winston Peters has announced.

Peters said this afternoon that Guangzhou Shipyard International (GSI), a Shanghai and Hong Kong Stock Exchange-listed enterprise, would complete the vessels by 2029.

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Seems to be a shipbuilder with a good reputation.
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October 14, 2025 6:15pm
rouppe

The Greens can’t bring themselves to give Trump any credit for the peace deal.

“Let’s be clear that it has been the pressure from the grassroots campaigning all around the world that has led to this.”

Called it!
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October 14, 2025 6:22pm
Philview

TVNZ News pretty much led their 6pm News with their main story about the release of Palestinian prisoners with a bit on the end about the Israeli hostages.
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October 14, 2025 6:26pm
- Ghost
  
  Huh? Here is the story, and it starts off in Israel as the hostages are returned to Israel. It then goes to Gaza and the west bank, then back to some dead hostages being returned to Israel, then to trump speaking in the Israel parliament, then off to Egypt to sign a cease fire agreement. A look at Gaza with the released hostages, then back to Israel with the released hostages. I have no idea what you watched, but it sure wasn’t what was on 1news, because they gave all sides basically equal coverage.
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/news/news-clips-str-33yy1bg8l2lzcoxbxowfazhowv8-1760374594909/emotional-celebrations-in-israel-and-gaza-as-people-reunited-amid-ceasefire-in-depth
  
  The next story is about the challenges for the peace deal
  
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  October 14, 2025 6:48pm
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    I have watched again and can see I tuned in first time on the 2nd report with all the Palestinian buses and crowds.
    
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