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CJames

From a very scary Spiked article “New Zealand’s incompetent, illiberal ex-PM is perfect for the bloated, unaccountable United Nations. “
https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/11/03/jacinda-ardern-leading-the-un-god-help-us/
Go on Hugo, tell us what you really think!
I do hope the NZ Government is doing nothing to support her bid to the ultimate sinecure. But a silver lining might be that her authoritarian ineptitude may kill something long past its use by date for once and all to the benefit of us in the long term.
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November 5, 2025 8:01am
- Ghost
  
  The next secretary general will come from GRULAC. She hasn’t put her name forward, she won’t get it.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:06am
  - Foxfour
    
    Thanks for that succinct and completely explanatory answer
    The current Secretary general is of course Portuguese and NZ also belongs to Western European and Others Group. Another term for a western European – I don’t think so.
    
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    November 5, 2025 8:27am
  - Simon
    
    Regardless National will back her 100%. Luxon will be so proud.
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:06am
    - Ian
      
      No, but Helen would…
      
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      November 5, 2025 1:00pm
    - leoj
      
      An inept, incompetent and failed UN is exactly where Jacinta would fit right in.
      
      Make her head then watch the USA withdraw from the UN, which is what it deserves.
      
      The UN is a joke of an organization.
      
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      November 5, 2025 2:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    About the only people who seem to think Jacinda Ardern is in line for the job are those who don’t want her to get it
    A bit like the idea of Winston becoming PM
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:18am
    - Ghost
      
      Everyone needs a bogeyman to create stories around……
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:34am
  - Nobby2
    
    Ghost, Can you please explain what the hell GRULAC is/means.
    
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    November 5, 2025 10:00am
    - Ghost
      
      Group of Latin American and Caribbean Countries
      
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      November 5, 2025 10:56am
- pdm
  
  CJ if there is a remote prospect she is in line for the job I will bet you $1 to a pound of goat poo that PM Luxon will be supporting her boots and all.
  
  It is what he lives for.
  
  Domestic NZ Politics don’t rattle his dags anywhere near as much.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:22am
  - Ghost
    
    No, he won’t. On top of that, since it is GRULAC rotation for the job she would need the USA’s support, trump won’t support her
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:11am
    - Positan
      
      How can you be so sure?
      
      Look how she fooled Prince William.
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:54am
      - Ghost
        
        Here are some things ardern has said
        
        “a fair point when referencing Donald Trump… I’d be more impressed if they worked the word ‘fruitcake’ into the report.”
        
        “I love any news service that calls Donald Trump a ‘comb-over icon’.”
        
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        November 5, 2025 10:00am
      - R
        
        Prince William won’t have been fooled by an airhead, he is too smart and sharp
        
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        November 5, 2025 11:30am
      - lifesgood
        
        Prince William is merely polite and diplomatic. He’s no fool.
        
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        November 5, 2025 2:01pm
  - leoj
    
    Since Luxon is Labour-lite with blue tie, I think you are correct.
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:42pm
- 2ic
  
  @CJames: “I do hope the NZ Government is doing nothing to support her bid to the ultimate sinecure.”
  
  Why wouldn’t they? Luxon was all over Ardern after her valedictory speech:
  
  National leader Christopher Luxon hugs former Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern after her valedictory speech at Parliament House in Wellington, New Zealand, Wednesday, April 5, 2023.
  https://www.imago-images.com/st/0241693057
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:26am
  - R
    
    A diplomatic hug, would have been childish of him not too !
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:32am
- Graeme Hall
  
  Cindy needs to be able to speak more than one common language to have any chance. That is what eliminated Clark. Cindy barely speaks English.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:09am
  - Maggie's ex partner
    
    Head of the Udided Dations
    
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    November 5, 2025 10:29am
    - Observer of Life
      
      Where’s Maggie Pie, Maggie’s EX-partner?
      
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      November 5, 2025 8:13pm
- kowtow
  
  If she was making a run you can be damn sure the Nats would back her .
  
  ‘Good for NZ Inc’ or somesuch .
  
  But the real reason being the Establishment Mutual Back Scratching Club at play.
  
  Innit.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:12am
- imalwaysright
  
  That people such as Ardern and her ilk are considered for these prominent positions indicates that the power of the organisation lays with people other than the CEO.
  Ardern couldn’t run a chip shop, everyone knows that.
  
  The UN is another corrupt scam, Jacinda will fit right in.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:22am
  - R
    
    ‘corrupt scam,…..and requires no personal skills
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:35am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I watched Rachel from Accounts on BBC news last night delivering her pre Budget address. The UK like other Western Governments including NZ has run out of money and now needs to raise hundreds of billions of new taxes (think CGT).
  There are two reasons for this.
  1. Governments acting like indulgent parents and give in to Tamsin and Tarquin when they throw a tantrum at the sweet counter in the supermarket. Instead of telling Tamsin and Tarquin NO you cant have those lollies they just shrug their shoulders and put it on the already maxed out credit card.
  2. Waste. IMHO Government waste half of what they spend on madcap schemes and overpaying for goods and services. I have worked in more than one industry that supplied Governments both local and central and we treated them like cash cows. They paid whatever we put on the invoice. Councils used to buy and prepay for equipment at the end of their financial year even though they didnt want the equipment delivered for any 6 months. Reason. So they didnt lose the budget for that year.
  Until citizens rise up and refuse to pay more and more taxes nothing will change. Pollies will continue to treat taxpayers with contempt. Its needs a revolution to throw out the spend thifts and wastrels and replace them with those who have the capacity and capability to govern.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:24am
  - Flossie
    
    Some practical hints about refusing to pay taxes? No?
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:57am
    - Phronesis
      
      If you want to pay less tax legitimately then you just work less and earn less money. They tell us that taxing alcohol and cigarettes reduces consumption. Logically, taxing working should reduce work done. This of course only applies to the relatively productive workers who can afford to work less. Otherwise known as our most productive workers. The majority of GP’s for example work part time.
      
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      November 5, 2025 12:55pm
  - Gussy Fink-Nottle
    
    Lastman – I paraphrase Alexander Fraser Tytler:
    
    A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury.
    
    From bondage to faith, courage, liberty, abundance, then downward to selfishness, apathy, dependence, and back to bondage within 200 years.
    
    Nothing new under the sun.
    
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    November 5, 2025 10:46am
  - R
    
    ‘and replace them.?……. Councils need competent, experience managers and staff; not otherwise unemployable individuals. The same applies for elected Councillers, the selection pool needs much greater depth and breadth.
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:40am
- cmm
  
  “I do hope the NZ Government is doing nothing to support her bid to the ultimate sinecure”
  
  Of course they will. Politics is professional wresting. The growling is just show for the punters.
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:14am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Very good analogy.
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:34am
- Observant Octagenarian
  
  The United Nations is a rest home for failed left-wing politicians.
  
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  November 5, 2025 4:33pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Why on earth would Jacinda put herself under the pressure of working at the UN, when she has the cushiest job in the world. ??
  
  Talking to audiences who adore her
  and getting gobs of money thrown at her.
  
  She is made for the speaking circuit. Not making decisions on the world stage.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:38pm
Scott

I’m seemingly one of the few on this blog who think this govt is doing a good job. And I think they are doing a good job on Maori issues, which for many people here is their number one priority.

Why do I say that? When they came in the new govt moved with speed and urgency to dismantle the pillars of the Maorification of NZ under the previous Labour govt. They passed legislation to get rid of the Maori health authority and Three Waters. This was beyond my expectations given the liberalism and timidity of previous National governments under the likes of Key and Bolger.

Now in further good news they are legislating to get rid of Treaty of Waitangi requirements in our schools. This means that when our kids go to school it won’t seem like, as in the words of David Seymour, “an eternal marae visit”.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BJkAcNa2W/

A special mention to the excellent Erica Stanford who has read the room on this issue and has taken flak from the teachers unions and the mainstream media for doing so.

This is a win for our children and another step in enabling them to get a useful education. And another blow to the wokesters for whom Maori culture has become something of a religion.
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November 5, 2025 8:04am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Removing a requirement for people to do something, when they are more than willing to do it when there is no requirement, is not that much a game changer really.
  
  As I have said before, what they should do is remove S73 of the Human Right Act that is ironically titled “Measures to ensure equality”. That would make it illegal to discriminate based on race, regardless of who benefits. A vast amount of nonsense would disappear if they just did that.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:57am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I wonder what the Human Rights Commissioner would do if someone advertised for an employee who DOESN’T believe in the treaty?
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:25am
    - judith8409121
      
      why even care if you believe or don’t believe? None of these jobs should have any of that lala belief required or not required. It has no relevance to today. It certainly has no relevance to doing a job.
      
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      November 5, 2025 12:44pm
    - Phronesis
      
      You’ve touched on the fundamental lie that the left have been successful in getting swallowed by nearly everyone. They deny that arguments are necessarily symmetrical. If you can have the Maori all blacks then you can have the non Maori all blacks. If you can have women only spaces you can have men only spaces.
      
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      November 5, 2025 1:02pm
- Simon
  
  Gets rid of the requirement. Some schools will continue to operate as a marae as they please
  
  Two tiers operating. Just more garbage from National for the brain washed. Education will get steadily worse.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:11am
  - Handyman
    
    The coalition is managing the two tiers correctly on a number of fronts, especially in education.
    1. Remove impediments for those who want to get ahead and succeed.
    2. Don’t waste time, effort and money trying to negotiate with those who do not want to get ahead.
    
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    November 5, 2025 12:00pm
  - Ian
    
    If you had the choice of more than one school your child could attend, then you should quiz them on their TOW aspects…
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:04pm
  - Paulus
    
    School now appear to have been divided into two
    by the Education Department
    Primary Schools
    Kura
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:42pm
- Paulus
  
  Agreed entirely but will Maori take any notice of what the Government want.
  The Waitangti Tribunal is the worse, as whatever they say they will persue in all directions and succeed.
  They have not up to now, listened to the will of the people of New Zealand, and as they are only part Maori and some 16% of the population.
  I can see no change as they just laugh, along with the media, at all these continuing pro Maorfications going on all the time, but possible a tinkering at the edges.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Simon O’Connor wonders why we bother with a Waitangi Tribunal?
    
    Finally, the decision of the Waitangi Tribunal as well of others of late, does raise the question of whether we need the Tribunal at all. For me the Tribunal is irrelevant by the mere fact that the Tribunal only ever rules in one direction. We all knew the outcome of this case even before it was heard and in the same way New Zealanders can anticipate the results of 99.9% of any of the cases heard. Why the taxpayer expends tens of millions on the process is unclear, other than providing theatrical legitimacy. Surely it would be cheaper (including for claimants) and more efficient to just have lodged claims accepted and presented to government without the Tribunal acting as an expensive intermediary.
    
    https://onpointnz.substack.com/p/are-whakapapa-and-citizenship-the
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:43am
    - lifesgood
      
      Simon was a huge loss. The ladies who voted for Jacinda once again went for the attractive girl.
      
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      November 5, 2025 2:04pm
      - R
        
        ‘attractive girl’,… and the granddaughter they didn’t have. Very shallow thinking.
        
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        November 5, 2025 3:27pm
      - wsk12345
        
        Um they went for the woman. Nothing attractive or girlish about her.
        
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        November 5, 2025 3:50pm
- Anthony Melchett
  
  Mortgage lending up
  
  Building consents up
  
  New car sales volumes up
  
  New roads being signed off
  
  Some semblance of a fight against maorification – I even saw an ad the other night that referred to health new zealand.
  
  As I have said to all those haters of this coalition, yes they could be more aggressive but they are actually doing what they said on the packet and you either get behind them or face destruction from the other lot if they get back in next year.
  
  The coalition – not perfect, but at least they try to function like adults as opposed to just borrowing and fire hosing money.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:17am
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    Nope, to heck with being the frog in the pot.
    
    Let’s get it over and done and maybe then the passionless people will wake from their stupor and actually get, by whatever means necessary, a free market government.
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:52am
  - Dougal10
    
    Your so called haters are just keeping the foot down, because as we all know pollies become lazy fecks if they think the public doesn’t care.
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:24am
  - leoj
    
    The Nats are too slow and too scared.
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:46pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  In effect this will mean that there will no longer be a requirement for boards to report of achievement of Maori as a subset of all students at the school which will save a lot of work and was essentially pointless.
  
  Schools will continue to be able to have Maori immersion classes or similar if they choose to do so especially if there is a demand from their students and their families.
  
  Likewise hakas before sports events and between ‘houses’ at schools and kapa haka will continue which is all fine and good if schools want to do these things.
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:06am
- wsk12345
  
  Except for every clause removed they try to sneak in another 3. We can easily see what the Nats true agenda is even as their coalition partners are forcing them to do some things they don’t want to.
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:22am
- imalwaysright
  
  Does anyone else think that NZ is becoming the equivalent of a corrupt prison.
  Those who can afford it can buy their parole….emigrate.
  The rest will do what they are told and shut the f up.
  
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  November 5, 2025 11:38am
- R
  
  The progress this coalition government has made must be galling to the impatient elemewho were demanding instant results. Remember the inherited mess took 6 years to make, not counting previous Marxist attempts; GOOD THINGS TAKE TIME. Apologies to mainland cheese for plagiarizing your add
  
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  November 5, 2025 11:46am
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    Nope, we have seen what a leader who decides to actually do something can achieve.
    
    All these flaccid, pantywaist, dilittantes who want to take years to achieve not much have been shown up for what they are.
    
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    November 5, 2025 12:26pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Muldoon left a big mess which Douglas cleaned up with in a short time by making major and necessary changes. Lange/Palmer left a big mess which Richardson cleaned up in a short time by making major and necessary changes. Ardern/Hipkins left a big mess which Luxon and Willis have barely addressed.
    
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    November 5, 2025 3:11pm
CJames

Over at Daily Sceptic, James Allan points out that both Australia and Canada are going backwards into Depression status through a combination of inept leadership and bureaucracy on steroids policies. However, they did recognise Palestine (where-ever that is) so the virtue signalling makes everything alright for the liberal elite citizens. Now which countries does the NZ Government seek to emulate? Certainly not ones that are growing.
https://dailysceptic.org/2025/11/04/the-trudeau-disaster/
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November 5, 2025 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  Following the UK news you can add that nation to the index of “approaching failed state” status .
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:14am
Tomtoddy

If you want to know about much of the Mainstream Media’s naked pursuit of an ideological agenda to our society’s detriment and why they are losing respect and support across the world look no further than the deliberate and vindictive manipulation by the BBC of Trump’s speech on 6 January 2021 (the “Stop the Steal” rally preceding the Capitol riot).
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November 5, 2025 8:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  Saw the doctored video.
  I wonder why Trump’s media people never picked it up at the time.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:13am
- Foxfour
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Trump is an incoherent rambler who has become more detached from reality as he loses his marbles/gold filigree baubles.
  They are always edited down to the ‘grabs’
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:32am
  - RoboRob
    
    Funny how for the last 9 years people have been saying Trump is losing his marbles. Yet if anything he does more and longer inteverviews then almost any other President. The same people never said anything about Biden when he was known to work between 10am and 4pm and hid from the media.
    
    We all now know that Biden had in fact lost his marbles although the left are very careful to avoid actually saying it outright.
    
    Oh and this one wasn’t just something edited down with the surrounding words removed. It was two sentences 50 minutes apart spliced together so it appeared he said something quite different.
    
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    November 5, 2025 8:41am
    - MCōs
      
      In the good old days politics was a contest of ideas
      Now it’s a game of marbles
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:24am
      - RoboRob
        
        Politics still is about ideas. The issue is some people on both sides have become so wedded to their parties that they cant criticise them at all and everything the opponent does is terrible, no matter what.
        
        We see it on this site with some unable to cricise anything National, Act or NZF does. Same in the USA, Trump can either do no wrong or is Hitler. No middle ground. Biden was the greatest president who ran circles around those around him, right up until it became impossible to continue pretening that.
        
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        November 5, 2025 9:44am
    - RoboRob
      
      I assume my 4 down ticks are the same people who gave FoxFour 4 up ticks 🙂
      
      Not sure the logic in down ticking my comment. I only stated facts…
      
      *Trump does the most and longest media interviews
      
      *Biden was known (best hours) to work between
      10am and 4pm
      
      *The left dont say Biden has dementia. They say things like ‘it was clear at the end he wasn’t up for another 4 years’.
      
      *The BBC report was the splicing of two sentences 50 minutes apart
      
      Just fact. I never offered an opinion on Trump. If you want to ignore facts go ahead. I assume the up/down ticks are purely based on peoples feelings towards Trump.
      
      I can say JA was good with the media, doesn’t mean I like her.
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:39am
      - Christopher Thomson
        
        JA was only good with the media because she gave them money and they were already infaturated with her.
        
        Any critical media would have torn her to shreds.
        
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        November 5, 2025 9:55am
      - Christopher Thomson
        
        Also of note is that when the splice occurred they changed the shot so the splice was concealed.
        
        More worrying is that when the alarm was raised to the highlest levels in the BBC it was ignored.
        
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        November 5, 2025 9:57am
      - mandk
        
        “They say things like ‘it was clear at the end he wasn’t up for another 4 years’.”
        
        Even this is delusional.
        
        It was blindingly obvious before he became President that he was losing his marbles and wasn’t fit for the job.
        
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        November 5, 2025 10:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Between 10 and 4 pm they detected an alpha wave on the oscilloscope.
        That was enough…
        
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        November 5, 2025 11:43am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        JA was good with the media so long as it was a music station, or RNZ, and not ZB’s Mike Hosking, who asked follow up questions about major issues.
        
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        November 5, 2025 3:29pm
  - mandk
    
    They might be edited down, but the story in question is about the BBC taking two completely unrelated comments 54 minutes apart and splicing them together to imply that Trump was inciting an insurrection.
    
    What the BBC did was deliberately and completely dishonest.
    
    I hope Trump sues and sends the BBC to where it belongs: in the trash can for incineration.
    
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    November 5, 2025 8:47am
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    “They are always edited down to the ‘grabs’”
    
    That is utter bullshit.
    
    They completely twisted what he said by splicing together 2 parts an hour apart.
    
    They changed ‘walk down there and cheer’ became ‘walk down there and fight, fight like hell’.
    
    They also spliced in video of the Proud Boys then marching to the capitol. An event that occured an hour BEFORE the speech
    
    Have you even looked at the difference between what he said and what the BBC put out? I think you haven’t. Either that or you are just an out and out liar who refuses to acknowledge that Trump is being demonised.
    
    Why are you that way?
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:17am
Anthony Melchett

Reddit (the home of the crazy lefty) is a very strange place.

If you say that the weirdest thing you have seen in the last 10 years is that if a man puts on a dress you have to call him a woman and let him play women’s sports, you get banned for “hate”.

If you call Charlie kirks wife a s**t and say you are glad he was murdered? That’s fine.

If you say you literally hate david seymour, threaten violence towards him and wish him to be dead? That’s fine.

Reddit. Facts = hate.
Actual hate = fine as long as
it’s against the right people

Curious times we live in.
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November 5, 2025 8:07am
- mw
  
  I use reddit for some special interest group stuff, mainly tech related where it is all on topic. It as appalling when I see something from other groups.. It is completely left wing for the majority. I learned my lesson by just replying to something that was presented to me because I am in NZ, I didn’t say anything controversial and got downvoted in to oblivion lol.
  Reddit is a place where you can get value out of it, just stay in those places and don’t go in to the open.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:21am
- Skippytony
  
  Try having a conversation at The Standard.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:43am
- Colville
  
  Like…
  
  Māori Wards = Racism
  
  But its the right kind of racism so they are a good thing. Apparently.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Not just the wards .
    
    Councils are putting Maori reps onto committees with no reference to voters ,simply nominated by ……well who knows ?
    
    Totally against all principles of democracy .
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:44am
    - pdm
      
      kowtow last year Hastings Mayor Sandra Hazelhurst (now gone thank goodness) paid and gave voting rights to Volunteer School Student Councillors.
      
      Sadly the new Mayor, Wendy Schollum, may well try the same trick.
      
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      November 5, 2025 1:31pm
- sirknz
  
  I ditched Reddit a long time ago. The fun meme subs were being purged, anything that wasn’t left aligned got you shadow banned or blocked from commenting. Posting facts got you banned or blocked.
  
  The one thing I would recommend doing if you do bother going there is to block anybody with over a 100k karma score as the majority of these will be the chronic redditors and the ‘power mods’ who have taken over multiple major subreddits, both of which are the reaons why there are so many reposts on that site.
  
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  November 5, 2025 11:19am
- Spam
  
  I saw r/ConservativeKiwi is banned. For harassment and bullying, apparently. Yeah, had some dicks there, but certainly not as bad as ‘tos’.
  
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  November 5, 2025 2:22pm
artemisia

Contracts v outcomes and expectations.

ACC is clearly taking a good look at some of its funding based on outcomes delivered. This week announcements that ACC funding is being removed from the Whakamatutu Wellington depression recovery centre pilot and Water Safety NZ. In both cases ACC has decided expected outcomes were not being delivered.

A lot of taxpayer funded contracts have quietly closed and new contacts entered into. The assumption is that outcomes are now more rigorous. Looks like Minister Stanford has had a similar look at the Teaching Council.

Holding funding recipients to account is a very good thing. Some long sad stories in the media, but they are the authors of their own misfortune.
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November 5, 2025 8:15am
- Simon
  
  1 in 8 working age on permanent welfare. Another 1 in 4 employed by the state. NZ is a massively bloated welfare state of grift and waste. Tinkering around the edges by National is strictly for brainwashing
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:14am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Don’t be a hater! Everything is doubleplusgood!
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:29am
  - R
    
    ‘Tinkering around edges’………clearly Simon, you have no idea,, nor comprehension of the magnitude of the mess that the coalition inherited.
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:54am
  - artemisia
    
    People that are not working can quite quickly become unemployable or close to even with a lot of (expensive) support. Including subsidies to employers (eg flexi-wage).
    
    One possible answer was tried in the UK – if work ready turn up every week day for specified hours. Help available for job search. Bring own lunch.
    
    Have read that a surprising number cancelled the dole as they were working (prob under the table) so couldn’t attend,
    
    Worth a trial here?
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:12pm
Cassandra

“Let’s be clear: water is a public resource. It should be managed for the benefit of all New Zealanders, not carved up through Treaty-based arrangements that risk embedding permanent commercial advantages for select groups.”

A Maori group representing Maori landowners – the tribes and other organisations – has gone to court seeking ownership of water. The Maoris are not calling it ownership but they want control and money and by any definition that’s ownership. The Labour Party will be praying that the court will decline this application because if it’s granted it’ll put Labour in the invidious position of actually having to have principles!

The Coalition will, presumably, legislate to make it clear that water, like air, belongs to all of us. I know which way ACT and NZF will go – the question is now for National to demonstrate what it stands for.
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November 5, 2025 8:22am
- pdm
  
  Cass – John Key nailed it when he said:
  
  “NO ONE OWNS THE WATER!!!”
  
  End of.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:25am
  - Taieri
    
    John Key nailed it when he said
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    But, what matters, is what “Te Tiriti” says. And it says anything that some of us want it to say…
    
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    November 5, 2025 8:36am
    - pdm
      
      Taieri
      
      More like what people think the Treaty says these days which is irrelevant to the original Treaty Documentation.
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:13am
      - Paulus
        
        I have seen the motheaten Treaty in Wellington and have acknowledged its contents as such, but what was said then is in no way what is being interpreted currently as education of maori allows them to read and interpret in English, and the re translate back to modern day Maori.
        
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        November 5, 2025 9:21am
  - Foxfour
    
    That was in the context of selling shares in hydro generators – who benefited from the flow of water – which they control by way lake outlets and at each dam control gates.
    The river flow is a cash register for power companies.
    In fact Winston Peters at the time said it would lead to Maori groups wanting an equal partnership with private companies over ‘usage’
    Peters said JK was wrong and the water belongs to the nation
    
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    November 5, 2025 8:39am
    - Taieri
      
      The river flow is a cash register for power companies
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      With most of them majority owned by the government…
      
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      November 5, 2025 8:54am
      - wsk12345
        
        If they didn’t have “free” water we would be paying alot more for power. So a cash register? I don’t think so.
        
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        November 5, 2025 10:30am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Another question is who owns gravity? No gravity, no water flow. Maori might be in with a chance on this as some of their waistlines appear to defy gravity.
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:14am
      - Foxfour
        
        No one controls gavity, but the power companies act as owners of the water as they control the gates at the source lakes.
        Ask the people at Hawea about who has effective control of the water….gate keepers as the water at high level has considerable value
        
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        November 5, 2025 1:46pm
    - Paulus
      
      Control Water flow that that means electricity !
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:22am
  - leoj
    
    Key also ran on eliminating maori seats but failed to follow through.
    
    Typical weak, woke and scared National PM.
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:53pm
- RoboRob
  
  Luxon will waffle on about all New Zealanders rights to water and treaty partnerships, principles and environmental stewardship. In the end nobody will know where he stands.
  
  Oh, and he will only say this well after everyone else has taken a position. No leadership on any issue.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:48am
  - stewmar
    
    In Parliament this week Luxon said that no one owns the water.
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:35am
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Well, yeah. But that doesn’t actually get us far in guiding the decisions that need to be made about its management and use.
      
      Ownership implies the ability to make use of the asset, and the ability to prevent other people from using it, or to charge them for doing so. It gives the owner the incentive, if not an actual obligation, to maintain or increase the value of the asset. And it places an obligation on the owner to prevent the asset from inflicting damage on others or on their property.
      
      Who may make use of the water? Who may restrict the amount of water that people may take? Who should take care of the quality of water? Who should ensure that water does not cause damage to property or danger to life?
      
      Do we really want the answer to any of these questions to be No One?
      
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      November 5, 2025 1:15pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Then why did Meridian pay Ngai Tahu all that dosh to renew the Waitaki power generation system water rights?
      
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      November 5, 2025 7:34pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Luxon gives the impression that he is congenitally overwhelmed.
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:51am
- Simon
  
  So much damage done by the John Key National govt. John Key’s little boy Luxon ain’t gonna make any fundamental changes
  
  All the damage bridge head by National
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:16am
- I remember when
  
  “that risks embedding”
  That virtually guarantees permanent commercial advantages for select groups.
  Or, put another way, means that everyone else will have additional financial costs (forever).
  They will also lose the possibility an additional revenue source.
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:02am
- wsk12345
  
  Would help if you attributed the quote.
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:29am
- Northshoredoc
  
  I was quite surprised when I heard and saw the group representing Maori on TV a few days back.
  
  They spoke very coherently and reasonably. I couldn’t find anything I disagreed with them upon in the clip on the news. Whether that follows through to their presentation in court remains to be seen.
  
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  November 5, 2025 11:14am
  - pdm
    
    That would have been that fellow Smiler and his cohorts.
    
    As you say they were sensible and well spoken.
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:35pm
- R
  
  Cassandra, you often write sensible comments, but let your ideological bias escape into the text.
  
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  November 5, 2025 11:56am
G152

Going to be a cracker of a day and the night will light up I am sure..
We will all get a bang out of it…
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November 5, 2025 8:24am
imalwaysright

The Maori party infighting has nothing to do with Maori or Mauri or Mana.

Its all about Money.

More specifically, Tamihere’s control of it.
These money grabbing grifters are giving Maori people a bad name and are inciting racism among people who conflate Maori people with the almost fraudulently titled ‘Maori’ Party.
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November 5, 2025 8:26am
- RoboRob
  
  When you fill a room with people without a shared ideology and a sole focus on radicalism, eventually they were all going to clash and fight against each other.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:50am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Chuck in a Golden Goose and you’ve got the Hunger Games.
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:54am
- septic skeptic
  
  I must try not to conflate “Maori” with “the majority of people who choose to go on the Maori roll”.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:41am
Pope Punctilious II

Thin-lipped eurotard is worried about NZ’s human rights record. Well about time Amnesty International had something to say about the Ardern government’s overuse of lockdowns and their attempts to restrict free speech, and their enthusiasm for plying confused kids with puberty blockers … oh wait, no. Madame Callamard is worried that the current government has a “Trumpian accent” and might be undoing even a little bit of her heroine’s good work:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/577830/government-has-trumpian-accent-human-rights-activist?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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November 5, 2025 8:38am
- Boy Geoff
  
  Oh wow! They freely came into this country and freely said what they said.
  
  Some of their preferred model example nations may have thrown them in prison without a trial for that…
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:56am
Philview

I have just listened to Duncan Garner’s excellent interview with Erica Stanford. It was great to hear the Government’s position compared to the rubbish biased reporting on TVNZ News last night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMD-MWQYqDg&t=1734s
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November 5, 2025 8:41am
- RoboRob
  
  Erica is a star. Unfortunately the ‘leadership’ of Te Party National are missing in action.
  
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  November 5, 2025 8:52am
- RoboRob
  
  Just finished listening to it. The only issue I have is around Erikas comments on Hobsons choice. Sure confirm these are your ideas and not from Hobsons choice but it is silly to say ‘and I will never listen to Hobsons choice’. I dont like John Minto but if he comes up with a good suggestion, I’m all on board. MPs should listen to outside groups and take on suggestions they think are good.
  
  I understand that Erika is trying to disassociate National from a ‘far right’ operation but imagine the outcry if the environment minister said, ‘I dont listen to forest and bird and I never will’.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:33am
  - Philview
    
    TVNZ News last night reported the Labour Party view that Hobson’s Choice were dictating the Government’s Education policy. I think in that context she was right to say what she did.
    
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    November 5, 2025 9:43am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Phil,
      The problem is that she used the word ‘never’.
      
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      November 5, 2025 12:02pm
  - R
    
    Today’s Forest and Bird Society are a long way removed from the original principles of the founding members.
    
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    November 5, 2025 12:31pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Wouldn’t know. For a while I thought they were a government department!
      
      Was just looking for an example of a left wing example of a group that might have some good suggestions occasionally 🙂
      
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      November 5, 2025 1:21pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360869944/beauty-salon-liquidated-employee-granted-migrant-exploitation-visa

This sort of thing happens far too often: when are these slimeball employers and immigration advisers going to get their come-uppance ?
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November 5, 2025 9:13am
- Simon
  
  Tip of the iceberg. Minimum wage third world immigration is a train wreck for NZ. Absolute National neoliberal engineered harm against NZ.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:21am
- Gulag1917
  
  Never underestimate bribery and corruption in the third world.
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:22am
Ghost

Hopefully this complaint gets him some more businesses. Nothing wrong with the displays

The owner of a south Canterbury museum featuring a controversial Nazi exhibit is open to making changes to the display.

The Geraldine Military Museum exhibit depicts a 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler military camp.

The division served as Adolf Hitler’s personal bodyguard and fought against New Zealand troops in Greece during World War II.

Article
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November 5, 2025 9:16am
- Skippytony
  
  We all know Geraldine is a hotbed of Nazi conspiracists. All that jam and cheese, not to mention the inordinate ration of museums to population.
  
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  November 5, 2025 9:50am
- Taieri
  
  Nothing wrong with the displays
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  Depends on the context.
  
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  November 5, 2025 12:00pm
- Phronesis
  
  It’s hard not to conclude that the lefty media try so hard to suppress any mention of the history of National Socialism because it might become obvious that they are trying to replicate it.
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:58pm
Gulag1917

Trump’s Proposed Annexation, Déjà Vu. U.S. “War Plan Red” against Canada (1930-1939) Headed by General Douglas MacArthur. Bombing of Vancouver, Halifax, Montreal and Quebec City Contemplated
https://www.globalresearch.ca/donald-trump-calls-for-the-annexation-of-canada-deja-vu-general-douglas-macarthur-was-to-bomb-vancouver-halifax-montreal-and-quebec-city-this-is-no-joking-matter/5875722?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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November 5, 2025 9:42am
- Christopher Thomson
  
  Nothing sinister about it at all.
  
  All the capable powers will have plans to go to war against most other nations.
  
  I would put good money that the US had a plan to wage war against the UK too.
  
  If Britain had fallen then the US would already have the plans in place.
  
  ‘Failing to plan is planning to fail’.
  
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  November 5, 2025 12:36pm
Swifty

Are Rawiri and Debbie’s jobs on the line?

https://x.com/tommyleeoscar/status/1985552574238638531?s=46

An interesting take on the 2025 Maori Wars.
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November 5, 2025 9:53am
Rusty

Winston/NZF wants to ban the sale of fireworks, I’m all for that.
The Guy Fawkes celebration lost its meaning a long, long time ago. Now it’s just a pain for everybody concerned from pet owners to emergency services.
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November 5, 2025 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  I am Ok with Public Displays as we have had on barges in Tauranga Harbour along with some on land base by professionals.
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:51pm
- lifesgood
  
  It is funny, though. When I was a kid every single family let off fireworks and every, or nearly every, family had pets. I never heard anyone going on about their pets being upset or scared. We had horses right next to our house. They coped perfectly fine. Have pets become more precious these days or is it their owners?
  
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  November 5, 2025 2:18pm
Swifty

Donald Trump incited an erection.

https://x.com/papitrumpo/status/1985479969632354771?s=46

Heh.
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November 5, 2025 10:01am
Ghost

Anyone needing lab tests, Awanui Labs now only take bookings, no walk ins…..
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November 5, 2025 10:34am
- Jethrod
  
  What areas?
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:45am
  - Ghost
    
    Looks like it will be nationwide. You even have to register with them
    
    https://awanui-bookings.labapps.nz/booking-client/#/login
    
    I guess if it’s urgent you just go to the ED now
    
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    November 5, 2025 10:51am
    - Ghost
      
      One issue i saw with this. An elderly lady was called in and told that when you arrive hold your phone to scanner to scan the barcode in. She replied she doesn’t own a phone. Then they told her she could print it off at home and bring it with her to scan, she doesn’t own a printer
      
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      November 5, 2025 11:39am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They have had a booking system in place for some time so I am unsure if this is true. There is nothing on their website like this……
  
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  November 5, 2025 10:52am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s been walk in down here until this week
    
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    November 5, 2025 11:16am
  - pdm
    
    They had bookings in Hastings and for some unknown reason stopped them.
    
    At the practice where our GP is Awanui operate downstairs. Will the new system mean Doctors cannot send patients for a blood test re something that has come to light during the Drs appointment?
    
    Ridiculous if it does.
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, your doctor can’t send you to them, you need an appointment, god only knows what that means for urgent tests.
      
      This page claims bookings are optional, not according to the two labs here, don’t know about their hospital lab. It is now according to them by booking only, but look at this
      
      Why can’t I get a booking sooner than two weeks?
      
      Bookings are released ahead of time and can fill up quickly. If you’re not seeing any available times, it may be that appointments have already been taken or that bookings at your centre haven’t opened just yet. We recommend checking back again soon as more slots will become available over the coming days. You can also choose to book at another nearby collection centre if your preferred location or time is unavailable.
      
      https://www.awanuilabs.co.nz/north/auckland/for-patients/booking-a-blood-test-online/
      
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      November 5, 2025 1:57pm
      - Dougal10
        
        Well i guess they don’t want to test rural working class people anymore , the good thing will be once we go to yearly scripts I will only need to go to lab every 3 years which will be every 3rd doctors visit like now.
        
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        November 5, 2025 9:09pm
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  Not in my neck of the woods. I’ve just checked with the local provider, and there is a booking service available, but still happy with walk-in customers.
  
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  November 5, 2025 11:16am
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    In chch they have bookings which get priority but you can wait for a gap without needing to book. They fit u in if there is a no show or they have time. Seems to work.
    
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    November 5, 2025 4:00pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Why would you go to a village eight km from Kaitaia for lab tests.
  What about Dunedin or Wellington or Christchurch or some other labs.
  This silly insertion of Maori names is becoming awful.
  
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  November 5, 2025 11:49am
Jack5

Tremors on Wall Street

Technology stocks and cryptocurrency have taken a hit on Wall Street, with the tech-heavy Nasdaq sharemarket’s main index sliding 2 per cent.

Meanwhile, a near-legendary American investor has bet $US1.1 billion ($NZ1.946 billion) on the share price falling in two of the companies benefiting from the AI boom — hardware company Nvidia and software company Palantir.

Michael Burry bet on a housing market crash in America in the run-up to the 2007 financial crisis. This was described in Michael Lewis’s book, The Big Short, which was made intoa film in 2015 .

Burry has now bought “put” contracts covering $US912 million (about $NZ1.6 billion) worth of shares in Palantir and $US187 million (about $NZ331 million) worth in Nvidia shares.

A put option gives the holder the right to sell a stock, currency, bond, or futures-type contract at a set price at a set date. It thus locks in a price at the time it’s made. It’s a tool for benefiting during falling prices.

And Bitcoin … This graph shows some of the movement yesterday (early today, NZ time):

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BTC-USD/
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November 5, 2025 11:18am
- pdm
  
  Don’t panic – it will bounce back.
  
  History shows it always does.
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:43pm
  - Fender
    
    Tech shares are not normal shares
    Theres no real history unlike other commodities
    95% of tech is bluster and doesn’t stand up to scrutiny so no ,there is no known evidence that it will bounce and if it does its certainly only temporary until the new craze replaces it
    Bill gates would not be rich if he started now
    Paypal was huge and now look at it
    Ai will become untrustworthy and too expensive powerwise
    Does anyone remember second life
    How many companies like ford sunk millions into that
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:53pm
    - rouppe
      
      The Dot Com crash and subsequent recovery shows tech has bounced back, doesn’t it? Almost by definition.
      
      Sure a bunch of tech firms failed but a bunch didn’t, and others replaced them.
      
      PayPal was big because that was the only way for me (for example) to buy online from an overseas vendor. Now there are loads of ways, and PayPal is still here anyway.
      
      Technology moving on also facilitated this. Back in the 80’s bank transaction processing was done by all the banks rushing magnetic tapes to DataBank to process transactions between each other. It was chaos if one was late.
      
      Now DataBank is gone and it’s all done electronically inter-bank. Doesn’t mean banking has failed…
      
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      November 5, 2025 4:35pm
      - Fender
        
        :Sure a bunch of tech firms failed but a bunch didn’t, and others replaced them.
        isn’t that the point, you buy shares because you can predict a future supposedly. the way tech companies rise and fall makes them risky. If You know what your doing you can make a killing, then everyone jumps in just and things go pear shaped.
        Tech will always be around but picking the winners is not easy.Nvidia for example has only one direction to go presently, no company stays at the top for ever which is different from other commodities. People like Gates and Musk got the timing right, so far Zuckerberg is still swimming.
        trying to predict which bitcoin will win and which will die is definitely a challenge.
        
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        November 5, 2025 9:36pm
Swifty

I would welcome some clarification from Margaret Mutu.

RNZ reports:

“Margaret Mutu (Ngāti Kahu, Te Rarawa, Ngāti Whātua), professor of Māori Studies at the University of Auckland, told RNZ teaching local histories gives tamariki a stronger sense of belonging and helps all students understand the places they live.

“Every single school in this country sits within a hapū’s rohe. For children to grow up there and not understand who the hapū is, where their marae are, or what the place names mean, that’s a huge gap,” she said.

“Every child has a right to know whose land they stand on.”

I live in a Blockhouse Bay, Auckland and Blockhouse Bay Primary is but a few minutes walk from me.

Whose land do I and the local kids stand on?

Is it the land of Nga Oho, who occupied it from approximately 1200 until approximately 1650, when they coalesced into the tribal grouping Te Waiohua?

Or is it the land of Te Waiohua who occupied the land from 1650 until being cruelly denied it in the mid-1700s?

Or is it Ngati Whatua who, previously inhabiting the Kaipara region, invaded what we now know as Auckland in the 1740s-50s and butchered, enslaved and assimilated Te Waiohua and took possession of the land by right of conquest?

Or in fact do we stand on the land of the NZ government legally purchased from Ngati Whatua post-treaty in the 1840s and 1850s and in the local school’s case still owned by the NZ government?

Being a rather dim and un-enlightened pakeha I’d be most appreciative if some intrepid reporter would track Ms Mutu down in her plush Auckland University offices and put this question to her.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/top/577780/maori-academic-warns-draft-curriculum-erases-children-s-rights-to-local-histories
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November 5, 2025 11:30am
- Christopher Thomson
  
  In agreement with everything except calling yourself ‘pakeha’.
  
  I am any one of, a Kiwi, a New Zealander, A New Zealander of English descent.
  
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  November 5, 2025 12:41pm
  - Swifty
    
    Point taken.
    
    It’s just shorthand for what you mention.
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:26pm
  - Phronesis
    
    I tick the Pacific Islander box. New Zealand is a group islands in the Pacific.
    
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    November 5, 2025 6:44pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Every child’ ?
  
  How many don’t know as they are the descendants of liberated slaves and have no tribal affiliations.
  
  Is that not part of NZ history too.
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:27pm
- Fender
  
  Or they learn it from their immediate families
  If they don’t know it , it can’t have been all that important
  Surely you can’t trust such information to be taught by some pakeha at the local school correctly
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:45pm
- Paulus
  
  And would you expect to get a straight understandable answer from her prejudice?
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:54pm
  - Swifty
    
    No and nor would I expect any coherent answer to my questioning of where “it’s every child’s right to know whose land they stand on” comes from.
    
    When were these rights agreed? By whom? When?
    
    Are they written down somewhere?
    
    Or has Mutu just dreamed them up?
    
    Actually, I think we all know the answers to these questions.
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:54pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Ms Mutu needs to realise that there are a good few, including myself and my family, who do not care at all about understanding who the “hapu” is, where the marae is and what Maori place names mean. If Maori want their kids to know this stuff, then Maori can tell them. We weren’t taught at school which Europeans settled in Dunedin, what the meaning of “Auckland” was. Nor were we instructed where the local community hall was. If you wanted to know, you asked your parents. Taxpayers shouldn’t be funding Maori for not bothering to look after their own kids.
  
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  November 5, 2025 3:28pm
Fender

Interesting article about how venezuela is about to become a big part of the news soon
The petrodollar is in jeopardy and something has to be done
https://youtu.be/xRjijn_aXQA?si=3n-qbyban2xLfSSK
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November 5, 2025 11:51am
- Paulus
  
  Venezuela has apparently one, if not the largest Oil deposits in the World, so read on !
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:56pm
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    The biggest. But not the best quality (ie sour and heavy).
    
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    November 5, 2025 8:54pm
I remember when

I have been reading articles from the NZ Herald and Farmers Weekly about Foreshore and Seabed and farming regarding Ruapuke Island.
The Ruapuke Island Group’s exclusive rights application is one of the seven reversed decisions.
” A lot has changed since the island hosted over 2000 people in the early days when sealers and whalers were thriving and Aotearoa’s second church was built.
It was a large settlement for Ruapuke Maori whakapapa.
Farmers Weekly stated in 6 Nov 2024 article that ‘there are now just three permanent residents’, they were Jed and Sheree Tarrant and a cousin.
AI overview states it has no permanent residents, and is privately owned by the decendants of Chief Tuhawaiki.
It is stated that the Tarrant’s are seventh-generation farmers with connections to the tribe.
The Herald relates the story of Cain first going to the island when she was 2 years old.
Her whanau could spend up to eight weeks on the islands, relying on fish, shellfish, kelp and muttonbirds.
Also says the islands were never confiscated or obtained by the crown.
The farms have become unprofitable, running 2,500 sheep over two farms, on about 1200 hectares.
Daniel Tarrant presently runs the farm from Bluff, visiting the island four times a year to handle the stock and also runs ‘Ruapuke Uncut’ a manuka honey enterprise.

The problem would seem to be the effect any successful Foreshore and Seabed application would have on other activities in the Foveaux Strait area.

Should the Foreshore and Seabed be covered the the government issuing permits that would clearly state the ‘customary activities’ limitations.
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November 5, 2025 11:52am
- Jack5
  
  For background on Ruapuke Island, the historic stronghold of the southern chief, Tuhawaiki, known as “Bloody Jack” to whalers and sealers (often his in-laws):
  
  https://www.farmersweekly.co.nz/people/priceless-island-costs-dearly-to-maintain/
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:28pm
76_special

Adrian Orr threatens Micael Reddell with Legal action
I didn’t catch this on Michael’s site last month , but NZH ran the article today :
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/economy/former-reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr-threatens-legal-action-against-one-of-his-fiercest-critics-michael-reddell/IHKHWAA4AFBU3N7VDADWQCJBGA/

Its paywalled ( I canceled my sub a couple of weeks ago) but Michael has some updates on his blog:https://croakingcassandra.com/2025/09/24/article-for-central-banking-magazine-on-orr-quigley-willis-saga-and-lessons/
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November 5, 2025 12:04pm
- RoboRob
  
  I would love Orr to take this to court and lose bigly, as I expect he would. I would love to see him forced to pay the defendants massive legal expenses. However, sadly, it appears that Orr is simply going to threaten people into silence. I assume he has bigger pockets (thanks to the NZ tax payer) then his critics.
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:33pm
- 76_special
  
  After some digging I found the original article.. funnily enough in an RBNZ OIA response where you can see the email chain of the RBNZ lawyer complaining/requesting it be taken down.
  https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/-/media/project/sites/rbnz/files/publications/oias/2025/oia2526_87-information-on-central-bank-magazine-article.pdf
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:44pm
Swifty

Madness.

We’ve got high levels of unemployment and underemployment yet we import low or no-skilled migrants (and their families) on the tens and tens of thousands.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/chinese/577856/employers-migrant-advocates-rail-against-local-job-priority-warning

We need our heads read.
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November 5, 2025 12:13pm
- MCōs
  
  We don’t ‘import’ people. They are workers not commodities
  My understanding is employers advertise offshore because they can’t fill the positions with suitable local applicants.
  I was talking to a couple of guys who worked for a company repiling houses. It was a really shit job; in this case crawling under an old house and digging holes for new piles.
  They said Winz sent guys to start work with them and they never lasted out the week.
  You can have your own opinion on the character of someone who won’t put up with that sort of work, but the boss still needs someone and maybe an immigrant, who is tied to the job, is a better bet.
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:15pm
  - Fender
    
    My understanding from people in the business is that we are obligated to spend or fund overseas countries and a way of ticking that box on the imf stage is with these rse workers
    Its a quiet way of funding our obligations and therefore will never stop
    I guess whether its better than just writing cheques is open to debate
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:39pm
    - artemisia
      
      Accredited employers usually have to at least attempt to hire local or risk losing accreditation.
      
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      November 5, 2025 2:41pm
  - Foxfour
    
    using winz as an employment agency is so they can pay minimum wage AND get a winz subsidy.
    Pay a going rate and you get better applicants- using a real employment agency
    I used to use proper agencies and even for temps got people I would have loved to have long term.
    Ive worked in white collar jobs where people havent lasted the week either …anecdotes abound
    
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    November 5, 2025 1:42pm
    - MCōs
      
      I was unemployed about three times when a recession hit the the construction industry and applied for unemployment benefit.
      I suppose I was out of work for a year total, but only got about a month’s worth of benefit payments.
      The last time I went to the office in Masterton when I was about sixty. The clientele were a pitiful lot and we had to make an appointment for some sort of short seminar on something or other so I thought, bugger this and fronted up in a suit a tie. Best dressed dude in the building.
      There was a notice board advertising about half a dozen low calibre labouring positions
      The whole place had an atmosphere of unhappiness
      
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      November 5, 2025 2:10pm
    - Swifty
      
      I am becoming extremely sympathetic to the view that we should turn the taps right down on low-skilled immigration.
      
      Highly skilled specialists, professionals, having undergone years of education, training and hurdled all sorts of vocational and educational qualifications and where we are starved of those people here, no problem.
      
      But bloody nail technicians, taxi drivers, baristas, gib stoppers etc you’ve got to be kidding me. A few months training, at most, and most people could perform these roles.
      
      And if wages and salaries are forced to rise in order to attract New Zealanders to these roles then so be it.
      
      It could/will mean higher goods and services prices as firms pass these extra costs along, but we need to get serious if we are ever to tackle this quite massive unemployment rump that we’ve had for decades now.
      
      Not to mention the pressure alleviated on our roads, health and education services, housing and roads etc as a consequence of fewer immigrant arrivals. – and the large social gains of many unemployed now in good jobs.
      
      It’s a win all round.
      
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      November 5, 2025 2:25pm
  - Paulus
    
    I know from Kiwifruit packing houses a day and a half to wreck the belt system, and back to Winz (invariably stoned).
    Looks as though the results of our great last 30 years Education system are coming home, but a way to neverland soon ?
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:01pm
    - MCōs
      
      I wouldn’t judge the entire system by the actions of a few, but that’s where you and I differ
      
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      November 5, 2025 2:37pm
  - Swifty
    
    Show me the rule which says the words import and export can only be used in conjunction with commodities.
    
    We do import people, by the bloody plane load weekly – just as we export in similar numbers many of our best and brightest because we cannot offer them great opportunities here.
    
    And we are bloody mugs for not doing our absolute best to minimise it, in both directions.
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:44pm
    - Dougal10
      
      A lot of imported workers need to be paid $10 per hour more than the minimum wage, its not about the money anymore its about reliability.
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:25pm
MCōs

Should soldiers of the IDF be held to account for mistreating Palestinian prisoners?
Should the Israeli military’s chief legal officer be prosecuted for leaking video of the alleged mistreatment?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/04/world/middleeast/israel-soldiers-detainee-tomer-yerushalmi.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee.
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November 5, 2025 12:47pm
- RoboRob
  
  Yes they should. However I wouldn’t trust ANYTHING the NY Times says about the IDF, they were the ones who doctored photos to show the Israelis starving children. I would wait for a reputable news source. That would also exclude the BBC and Algazera.
  
  When you edit video and sound to make fake news, expect people to disregard all your news stories.
  
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  November 5, 2025 1:24pm
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s the story from The Times of Israel
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-idf-legal-chief-tomer-yerushalmi-found-alive-after-frantic-beachside-search/
    
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    November 5, 2025 2:32pm
Crafty

A lady from NZEI was on herald now having a cry about treaty legislation being removed from school boards and she was so contradictory. On the one hand she was complaining because the government is trying to implement a one size fits all approach in education and then on the other having a cry because they removed the legislation essentially making it optional! And when the interviewer asked why it is so bad it being optional because schools can teach if if they want, she said because schools won’t teach if not mandatory. Well maybe people aren’t interested in their kids being exposed to this bullshit version of the treaty they’re trying to teach ffs! My daughters spent so much time learning the treaty at their primary school and their world knowledge and world history is now quite poor. I don’t mind them learning the basics of it but I’d much rather they learn something that will actually help them succeed in the world. I’m so sick of people like this trying to tell others how we should think. She can F off!
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November 5, 2025 2:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If the lady from the NZEI bothered to look at the draft New Social Science curriculum, she’d discover that Primary school children will learn about the Treaty in Years 4, 6 and 7, and the Land wars in Year 9.
  
  I imagine most pupils will be heartily sick of the Treaty by the time they are free to opt out of Social science lessons.
  
  (Thank goodness the proposed social science curriculum also includes some non-NZ history)
  
  https://newzealandcurriculum.tahurangi.education.govt.nz/new-zealand-curriculum-online/nzc—social-sciences-years-0—3/5637292338.p
  
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  November 5, 2025 3:08pm
  - Crafty
    
    Of course she would know but when does the truth ever come into anything these scoundrels say. It’s all a political game they play using kids as pawns.
    
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    November 5, 2025 4:14pm
Swifty

Ex-Labour and now CTU spinmeister Craig Renney makes himself look a fool:

https://x.com/simeonbrownmp/status/1985866835313766684?s=46

They just keep handing to New Zealanders on a plate reasons why they cannot be trusted.

They sit on a throne of lies!

🤣
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November 5, 2025 2:36pm
Swifty

It is now abundantly clear to me that New Zealand is a very dangerous place for PI immigrants, far too many of them are failing to even remotely thrive here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360875961/street-gang-leader-and-members-get-life-murder-head-hunters-member

In the interests of protecting PI lives, I therefore call for the urgent and complete cessation of all Pacific immigration into New Zealand.

New Zealand is far too dangerous a place for them and they would be much better off living out their days in some sunny Pacific idyll.

If we save but one life then it’ll have been worth it.

😃
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November 5, 2025 2:59pm
- artemisia
  
  Always interesting to see so many in the dock wearing crisp white shirts and tees. I suppose they have been so advised so they don’t look like thugs. Hint, doesn’t work. Swifty’s link case in point.
  
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  November 5, 2025 4:05pm
Taieri

Just off the press…

“Fears homeless to be pushed out of Auckland CBD”

“Housing advocates are worried officials may be making moves to push rough sleepers out of central Auckland.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/fears-homeless-be-pushed-out-auckland-cbd

Fears? A very strange turn of phrase…judging by the number of various entities involved, perhaps “housing advocates” are in fear of missing out on a bit of a gravy?

Last time I had the misfortune to visit Queen Street, some inhabitants of the place could definitely use pushing out…
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November 5, 2025 3:18pm
Ghost

Guess a lot of people will follow through with their promise to leave NY now

Democratic nominee Zohran Mamdani has defeated Andrew Cuomo to win New York City’s mayoral race, US media is reporting.

The 34-year-old democratic socialist had been facing off against 67-year-old Cuomo, the former governor who was running as an independent after losing to Mamdani in the primary.

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November 5, 2025 3:44pm
Tom Barker

I have no doubt at all that the warm-hearted and generous contributors will join me in congratulating the new mayor of NYC on his stunning election victory.
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November 5, 2025 4:18pm
- Swifty
  
  I do applaud it Tom.
  
  Like a foul-tasting medicine, I think it good that once in a generation or so people get to see first hand a good (contained) lesson on the utter failings and misery of socialism.
  
  As sure as night follows day if Mandami follows through with his campaign promises New Yorkers will get their lesson good and hard.
  
  Bring on rent controls. Bring on city-owned grocery stores. Bring on the wealth taxes. Bring on the seizing of the means of production and distribution.
  
  With luck the pain will be short and sharp, normalcy and sanity will resume and the kids will have learnt their lesson for another generation.
  
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  November 5, 2025 4:49pm
  - greybeard
    
    What amazes me is that so many New Yorkers have obviously forgotten 9-11.
    
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    November 6, 2025 7:02am
- Steve Todd
  
  @Tom Barker @ 4:18PM
  
  Fifty percent of the vote. First time since the ’50s that 2 million people (when all the votes are counted) have voted in an NYC mayoral election. That has to tell you something.
  
  The mob boss wannabe in the Oval Office told the people of New York that if they elected Mamdani, he would withhold federal funds from the city. You can imagine the scene, can’t you?: “Nice city you got there. Pity if you vote for the wrong guy.”
  
  Well, they sure told him what they thought of that, didn’t they? With other results, it’s beginning to look like the Dems will take back the House next year.
  
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  November 5, 2025 5:30pm
  - Mike
    
    And Cuomo was not much of an opponent.
    
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    November 5, 2025 5:56pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      That’s certainly true.
      
      In his magnificent victory speech, Mamdani thanked “the next generation of New Yorkers who refused to accept that the promise of a better future was a relic of the past.” So good.
      
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      November 5, 2025 9:23pm
Hugh Jarse

We have 5.3% unemployment and yet the Police are struggling to recruit staff ?. In amongst those unemployed I am sure there will be some really good people who would be entirely suitable. Is policing so unattractive now that those people don’t want to apply ?, surely that would be a great pool to be recruiting from ?.

On a related topic, is it correct that the Labour who borrowed and spent like drunken sailors wrecking the economy, overseen by their appointee, Adrian Orr, who then put the country into a recession to deal with the economic fallout and as a side product created our high unemployment rate are the same Labour who are now complaining about the number of unemployed ?.
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November 5, 2025 4:25pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Please do not compare them to a Drunken Sailor. Us sailors who get a bit tipsy know how much money we have.
  
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  November 5, 2025 4:48pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Apologies to all drunken sailors who clearly have more money sense than Labour !
    
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    November 5, 2025 5:35pm
  - AitchW
    
    Or had, perhaps….
    
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    November 5, 2025 7:35pm
Swifty

Diversity is our greatest strength!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o

In the West, we have been openly lied to and by our own people.
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November 5, 2025 4:43pm
Swifty

The BBC just can’t help itself:

https://x.com/gbnews/status/1985821471613022535?s=46

What was once a world-leading broadcaster known for its quality and objectivity has now been taken over by the Left and utterly ridden with political cancer.

I think it’s not salvageable and the fact that ordinary Brit’s are forced by the state to pay for this propaganda and bias is just obscene.

What a pity. Time for it to be put out of its misery.
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November 5, 2025 5:08pm
- Mike
  
  Luckily, you can access X, so well-known for its quality and objectivity.
  
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  November 5, 2025 7:04pm
  - Swifty
    
    What a silly comment.
    
    X is user-posted content where people make no secret of allegiances or biases and where no-one is taxed to make or view posts.
    
    The taxpayer-funded state broadcaster BBC however has an obligation to be objective and balanced and not favour one political side over another.
    
    But of course you know this.
    
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    November 5, 2025 10:03pm
Ghost

Article

The Iwi Chairs Forum hoped its meeting with the leaders of Te Pāti Māori could lead to a ceasefire, to stop the public infighting. But the social media sledges continue.

Following a peace-broker meeting, a key Te Pāti Māori figure posted a half-hour monologue on social media in which she vowed not to go silent.

Good, you shouldn’t go silent, that wouldn’t be as entertaining
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November 5, 2025 6:18pm
- AitchW
  
  How much influence does the Iwi Chairs Forum, an unelected body, have on TPM?
  If, god forbid, TPM were to be party to a coalition government how much unseen and unregulated influence would the Forum have?
  
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  November 5, 2025 7:35pm
  - Ghost
    
    Judging by what’s going on right now, I’d say not as much influence as they hoped
    
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    November 5, 2025 7:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, that’s a pretty clear message to the Iwi Chairs forum, isn’t it?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360876557/muzzled-boxing-ring-no-te-pati-maori-ceasefire-despite-plea-iwi-leaders
  
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  November 5, 2025 7:39pm
rouppe

The outcome of this hearing will be interesting from a wider perspective, since Lava are arguing pretty much what many straight families are arguing.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/human-rights-review-tribunal-hears-final-arguments-in-lava-vs-wellington-pride-festival-dispute/DPVRIEK3J5ACVNSZM7UMNERKAI/
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