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NeverMindTheBollocks

MSD staff take 15 days of sick leave per year. On average! Whatever happened to 10 days max per annum?

“The gap may also reflect that women — who make up 62% of the public sector and still shoulder most child care in New Zealand — often take sick leave when their children are unwell, she (Fleur Fitzsimmons) said”.

As one commenter on the article said:

That statement tells you straightaway the attitude in the public service, the fact is the union thinks that that is fine for staff to be paid to be baby sitters by the taxpayer, the fact Fleur thinks it is fine to make that public knowledge tells a story.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/business/360877096/sick-leave-surges-across-public-sector-msd-tops-charts
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November 12, 2025 8:03am
- yossarian
  
  My partner is a nurse, they get unlimited bereavement leave. You don’t hear about these things when they’re striking do we?
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:56am
- Biscuit
  
  NMTB, I wonder how many of those ‘sick’ days are actually taken by parents who (bless those teachers, eh?) get told that an upcoming Teachers Only Day will mean that alternative arrangements will need to be made for tending to their wee horror(s)….
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:31am
imalwaysright

At least the BBC put a bit of effort into their lying, TVNZ can’t be arsed.
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November 12, 2025 8:15am
slightlyrighty

The Water Coolers at police stations will be abuzz today.
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November 12, 2025 8:16am
- imalwaysright
  
  The police seem to be third only to the gangs and the Greens as hives of criminality…
  
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  November 12, 2025 12:19pm
  - kowtow
    
    iar
    
    That’s very unfair .
    
    From the reports it is very clear that once the case of the abused young woman was taken out of the rarified , indeed politicised atmosphere of PHQ the inspectors and supers who were involved all wanted to , and did the right thing.
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:48pm
    - Keith White
      
      They only did the right thing when they could not do anything else. Just one example – all the multiple staff in the Minister’s office who never blew the whistle.
      
      Blowing the whistle costs, I know. But it costs one a whole lot more, over time, if one doesn’t.
      
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      November 12, 2025 5:56pm
Scooter

So far crickets from Luxon on the McSkimming and Coster scandal. Unbelievable that he hasn’t made a comment or even backed up his ministers Mitchell and Collins who looked utterly shattered at the press stand up
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November 12, 2025 8:23am
- R
  
  PM Luxon is demonstrating how a real manager handles in-house crisis/mishaps. Something that is only possible if you have competent subordinate managers.
  The previous government didn’t have this luxury of competence, hence they knee-jerked from disaster to disaster.
  
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  November 12, 2025 11:23am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Calling the prime minister of a country “a real manager”? The expression that comes immediately to mind is “damning with faint praise”.
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:12pm
- kiwimike
  
  Mitchell Must go.
  he should have resigned instead of hidden behind those wicked police using their protocols in his office.
  
  Mitchell was caught by the hierarchy
  
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  November 12, 2025 8:28pm
AitchW

The damage done to New Zealand by the Ardern government just keeps coming.
Under Andrew Coster, Ardern’s hand picked commissioner, the Police are now found to have covered for a senior officer accused of sexual offences.
What happened to “no surprises”? Why did the PM or at least the Police Minister not know about those accusations?
The whole sordid little mess is just so depressing.
Just another Ardern mess that has damaged the Police badly and will take years to repair.
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November 12, 2025 8:27am
- Keith White
  
  And the Police’s pre-emptive fisherman’s clearance takes on a whole new aura… or odour…
  
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  November 12, 2025 11:44am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Ardern representing us at the Belim COP 30 conference – why and who is paying ?
  We are told 50,000 prople are attnding – wow !
  
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  November 12, 2025 2:00pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Climate criminals, one and all
    
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    November 12, 2025 3:50pm
Northshoredoc

It appears previous Comissioner Coster is going to be given the spanish archer from his comfy government sinecure.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/578556/former-police-commissioner-andrew-coster-placed-on-leave-from-ceo-role-after-release-of-damning-report

https://www.sia.govt.nz/about/social-investment-board
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November 12, 2025 8:34am
- NK
  
  It’s a bit hard to do your job if you’re in prison convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice.
  
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  November 12, 2025 12:10pm
  - David Garrett
    
    NK: What is ur view of McSkimming being on bail pending sentencing? Surely he must serve time?
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:18pm
- kiwimike
  
  REM Posey Parker and the absurd cover she didn’t have by NZpolice before the attack on her.
  with a Trans Police contacting the onsite team who weren’t doing their jobs….
  
  Lucy Rodgers and the 5 Auckland Police who falsely arrested her, destroyed her property, stole it, kidnapped her and assaulted her in doing so.
  all on video.
  
  Coster did nothing !!!!
  Nothing !!
  
  Let’s bring him and thr deputy commissioners before the courts…
  
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  November 12, 2025 8:32pm
Cassandra

Labour MP Ginny Anderson: “While we celebrate this moment (the passing of a ToW settlement act) we must also remember that settlement does not mean an end to the Crown’s responsibilities. It marks, instead, the beginning of a new relationship, one that requires ongoing commitment to that partnership,” she said.
“Settlements provide a base, a platform for iwi to rebuild and thrive, but they do not erase inequality or restore every loss. For true reconciliation, we must continue to ensure Māori voices are heard in decision making, that iwi have equitable access to opportunities, and that te reo Māori and tikanga are respected and normalised right across all spheres of life, including our schools.”

This sums up the problem we all face. One side of NZ says that compensation for the Crown’s misdeeds – and note that it’s always the Crown misdeeding, never the Maoris – is the end of the matter. The other side says what Anderson does, it’s a never ending partnership where the Maori side will have a perpetual advantage and the rest of us will be the second class and the funders.

It is a recipe for disaster.
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November 12, 2025 8:37am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Doesn’t seem like a problem I have to face.
  
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  November 12, 2025 8:43am
  - Eastlander
    
    One day you may find you need cancer treatment. But guess what? Access is based on a scoring system and you don’t quite have enough points because, wait for it, you aren’t a Maori. But they do have a spot open at the assisted dying clinic.
    
    There. Wasn’t that helpful of me? I realised you don’t have the ability to think anything through to its logical conclusion, so I did it for you. You’re welcome.
    
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    November 12, 2025 10:28am
  - cmm
    
    Is that an admission you are not a net taxpayer?
    
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    November 12, 2025 11:36am
    - David Garrett
      
      Cmm: Old Mikey is rumored to be a retired head pencil sharpener from some government department.
      
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      November 12, 2025 2:21pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Does anyone know where cheap, Thai mail-order brides will fit into the pecking order for medical treatment?
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:52pm
    - Mike
      
      Don’t you buy health insurance as part of the package.
      
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      November 12, 2025 4:52pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        I’m not so desperate as to stoop to a Thai mail-order bride. The most likely medical outcome is an STD, AIDS or Hep C.
        
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        November 12, 2025 7:20pm
- cmm
  
  “we must also remember that settlement does not mean an end”
  
  The good old full and final settlement – a cheque you can cash every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
  
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  November 12, 2025 8:46am
- Scott
  
  Indeed Cassandra. Here is evidence of what this “partnership” will in fact look like:
  Mid central health region is offering free bowel screening to Maori and Pacific islanders from 50-74. Everyone else starts at 60.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/share/1DQsp7yAPE/
  
  In another ad they say “we are all in this together.” But we are not together. Depending on your skin colour and your ancestors you get free treatment before anyone else.
  
  There is nothing that can be calculated to build resentment and division as policies like this. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and white people could get treatment before anyone else? What a furore there would be!
  
  I’m hoping the govt will get onto this and remind the health authorities that health treatment should be based on need not race.
  
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  November 12, 2025 8:48am
  - R
    
    There are only 24 hours in a day, the coalition is working as fast as the beuracracy is capable, and will allow. Most of the civil service incumbents prefer a lackadaisical Labour government, with no standards required to be meet.
    
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    November 12, 2025 11:28am
    - artemisia
      
      Same with the education sector. Complaining to the media and striking because apparently teachers can’t cope with change. Need more resource – time (lots), extra staff (lots), money (lots). (More intelligence – lots.)
      
      Great example of problem non-solving to our kids.
      
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      November 12, 2025 1:30pm
    - Paulus
      
      Yes. and is it that the Public Service figures show that 62% are women !
      
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      November 12, 2025 2:03pm
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Rubbish. This could be dealt with in a thirty second meeting between the Minister of Health and the Director General. Only one of them would need to talk.
      
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      November 12, 2025 3:01pm
  - Northshoredoc
    
    This screening difference is based on pretty good statistics.
    
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11010297/
    
    I would agree though that the age for screeing should be lowered for all. CRC is a nasty cancer that is too often discovered at a quite advanced stage.
    
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    November 12, 2025 12:23pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Based on what percent of brown blood?
      
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      November 12, 2025 9:36pm
- Nikola Donatello
  
  That quote is simply horrifying. It means that the grievance industry will last forever.
  
  Yet Mr Luxon said there was “nothing he liked” in the Treaty Principles Bill. 😭
  
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  November 12, 2025 8:58am
  - R
    
    The treaty principles Bill was not going to solve anything. It would have cemented the grievance industry into future legislationable opportunities for a Labour government to pursue their ambition of state control of our lives
    
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    November 12, 2025 9:05am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Luxon is clearly 100% in agreement with Ginny provided the provision of state SERVICES and only state services are excluded from the deals. To his credit, this is one thing about which he has been fairly clear and consistent. NZF are well known for speaking very clearly about their opposition to co governance during election years. I assume they tip a nod to their Iwi mates to let them know they can safely vote for Winston and Shane anyway. Because they do sweet FA about any of this and Winston was apparently on board with the commissioning of He Puapua when he was in the Ardern cabinet. ACT are at 10% on a very good day. New Zealand is stuffed.
    
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    November 12, 2025 9:57am
- lastmanstanding
  
  With regards to the McSkimming case. A news report from Newstalk ZB is that the woman involved complained to several MPs and news organisations. If so I want to know who the MPs are and why they didnt take the appropriate actions. I also want to know the names of the news organisations and the names of the persons in those organisations she complained to and why they didnt take the appropriate actions.
  I also want to know what the current Comissioner knew and when he knew it.
  In an organisations like Police it is not credible that the C suite and probably those in the next tier didnt know the details.
  This smells of the citizens only being told part of the story not the whole story to protect the guilty.
  Those the woman complained to must be identified and have to justify themselves. Its called good governance sadly an unknown to those involved.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:04am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    BTW IMHO the woman involved should do a Donald Trump and sue Police for $1 Billion.!!!!
    
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    November 12, 2025 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      You mean sue the taxpayer?
      
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      November 12, 2025 9:23am
      - Colville
        
        Why should the taxpayer be immune when “they” fu*k up?
        
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        November 12, 2025 9:46am
      - peterwn
        
        Unfortunately, yes. But the lady in question should at least be fully compensated for her legal costs, unlawful dismissal and her pay at least to now (she would have been virtually unemployable while she had charges pending and was bound to secrecy).
        
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        November 12, 2025 10:05am
      - cmm
        
        peterwyn: Yes, she is certainly entitle to pursue damages etc, but let’s not forget who ends up paying.
        
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        November 12, 2025 11:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    In the case of the Minister of Police, it looks like the police hierarchy had stitched up the Minister’s Office.
    
    The Politicians under scrutiny
    
    The political dimensions of this scandal cannot be ignored. Police Minister Mark Mitchell has revealed that his office received 36 emails containing allegations against McSkimming since December 2023. However, Mitchell says then-Police Commissioner Andrew Coster directed police staff in the ministerial office to send the emails directly to his own office and not share them with the minister or his political staff.
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    This revelation is explosive. It suggests that Coster not only failed to investigate the allegations but actively prevented political oversight by controlling the flow of information to the minister.
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    Labour leader Chris Hipkins, who was Police Minister and then Prime Minister during much of this period, claimed that “nothing was ever raised about any of this” with him. While Hipkins called the failings “inexcusable,” his claim of ignorance raises questions about whether ministerial oversight of police is fundamentally inadequate or whether the police executive deliberately kept ministers in the dark.
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    https://theintegrityinstitute.substack.com/p/integrity-briefing-can-we-trust-the
    
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    November 12, 2025 9:24am
    - kowtow
      
      I get the impression that the top people who engaged in what appears to be a cover up were all Labour appointments .
      
      If true this goes beyond PHQ all the way to the govt executive. A kind of “us and them” factionalism.
      
      As an aside it is beyond ridiculous how police mangagement go on about ‘diversity” , LGBT + , rainbow police cars etc and yet actively stitch up a woman , a victim of crime ,to silence her to protect one of their own.
      
      Anything but “kind”.
      
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      November 12, 2025 9:40am
      - AitchW
        
        To be fair there is no evidence so far that either government had any involvement in this sad, sordid affair.
        Yes, Ardern and Hipkins appointed some of the senior officers and, yes, these officers appear to have been at the very least incompetent. However it appears that the police made every effort to prevent any member of any government from finding out what went on.
        
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        November 12, 2025 4:25pm
    - kowtow
      
      Plunket interviewing Mitchell now.
      
      Hopefully he’ll make it available on podcast.
      
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      November 12, 2025 9:49am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Maggy, thank you for bringing that to our attention. An uptick is inadequate appreciation of your contribution.
      
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      November 12, 2025 9:51am
    - rouppe
      
      While Hipkins called the failings “inexcusable,” his claim of ignorance raises questions about whether ministerial oversight of police is fundamentally inadequate or whether the police executive deliberately kept ministers in the dark.
      
      I would say the latter. There is no way that a ministerial oversight person or committee could keep abreast of every investigation police undertake. There are just too many. It would very quickly turn into a status meeting at a 10,000ft level.
      
      Every minister to ministry relationship must operate with a high degree of trust and belief in each other’s integrity.
      
      Each minister must expect that the ceo and by extension the organisation as a whole acts to fulfil the direction and expectations set by that minister. If that ceo or their ELT/SLT deliberately act to subvert that direction or conceal activities, that’s a breach of trust and integrity.
      
      By all means put an argument up against a ministers decision, get the outcome in writing, but to deliberately subvert it should render you unemployable.
      
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      November 12, 2025 10:07am
    - peterwn
      
      So Ginny Anderson, ex Police civilian employee and Labour’s anti-corruption crusader was Minister of Police for part of 2023 and was sitting on what seemed to be a corrupt organisation right under her nose.
      
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      November 12, 2025 10:10am
      - Mike
        
        I find it difficult to blame any specific minister for widespread misconduct from the most senior officers.
        
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        November 12, 2025 10:43am
    - keepcalmcarryon
      
      And /or the ministry is quick to make sure Coster is firmly under the bus.
      Mitchell has known something at least for a while (even the blog owner has) and allowed a bunch of those concerned to retire rather than be disciplined.
      Someone should be asking more questions of him.
      
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      November 12, 2025 10:45am
    - Jethrod
      
      Could Coster then occupy the same cell as McSkimming?
      
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      November 12, 2025 11:27am
      - David Garrett
        
        Jethrod: What makes you think McSkimming will serve time? That he is walking around on bail suggests he won’t
        
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        November 12, 2025 2:26pm
      - AitchW
        
        DG I have experience of a case where the accused was bailed awaiting sentencing then was sentenced to just under 3 years. If the sentence entertained by the judge may be reduced to home detention then I believe the offender may be released on bail with strict conditions .
        
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        November 12, 2025 4:28pm
    - Quail
      
      MW,
      It also suggests that this minister of Police was not in charge of his own office.
      Minister Mitchell is reputed to have strong links with NZ Police.
      There are 36 emails acknowledged by him as being “received by his office” ?
      As an absolute bare minimum, the staff members of whom it is claimed “did not pass the content of these emails to the minister”, should have to resign forthwith.
      And if this minister did have any knowledge of these emails he should go immediately too.
      And Luxon should be looking at a Cabinet reshuffle on the basis of competence !
      
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      November 12, 2025 11:41am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The whole business is tricky. While we condemn the Police hierarchy for protecting one of their own, underpinning Police officer training and standard operating procedures is esprit de corps, having each other’s backs etc.
    
    EM Forster’s said more or less the same thing:
    
    “If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country”.
    
    Clearly a line has been crossed, and it’s easy to be righteous when one is in possession of all the information, but perhaps for some of the senior officers involved, a partial view of the facts might have given rise to them adopting a Forster position?
    
    From what I’ve seen reported, the young woman in question appears to approach bunny boiler status. Having a relationship with her was clearly a matter of poor judgment by McSkimming, but in & of itself, would that be a hanging offence to someone with whom you have stood shoulder to shoulder in the thin blue line? The pornography is of a different order of magnitude, but that seems to have not been known when the relationship complaints first arose.
    
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    November 12, 2025 9:50am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Also note those involved in covering up all got to retire before the suppression lapsed.
    Where is there any accountability?
    
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    November 12, 2025 10:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Tuff !
    they won’t be cos the media are implicated.
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:04pm
- Paulus
  
  I see in todays Herald Editorial that despite what the Minister for Education says the peoples, supported by the Editorial, in education particularly, the Boards and the Teachers, will take no notice of what the elected Government want and will continue to promote all aspects of Maoridom, despite their only being some 16% of the population, none of whom are actually Maori.
  Is this to do with keeping dependant Maori education rights at the bottom of any achievements ?
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:19am
  - Ehlana
    
    The part I don’t understand is that we’ve now had decades of including increasing amounts of Maori culture in schools. Yet seemingly no performance improvement. Perhaps the problem lies elsewhere?
    
    And why is it only Maori children who need affirmation of their culture in schools? What about all the other groups (80%+ of pupils)?
    
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    November 12, 2025 11:08am
- GJM
  
  Simple, if it is not full and final, there is no settlement. Tell them to f-off, we won, you lost and that is in line with Maori culture, except without requiring the losers to join in a hangi at the after match function.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:34am
- Notsofast
  
  Why does Ginny Anderson want this? Is it simply tribalism where dissenting voices are ejected?
  She shows contempt for productive people who fund the civil service and government, where it seems renumeration is higher across the board.
  She’ll be fine in all this unholy mess with 2 life pensions.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:40am
- Jack5
  
  Ginny Andersen is vintage Red.
  
  She dotes on the memory of her great-uncle, Bill Andersen, an NZ communist and trade-union leader in the 1950s and 1960s.
  
  Bill Andersen broke with the NZ Communist Party when it switched support from Moscow to Beijing. He set up a rival party that supported Moscow.
  
  I wonder how Ginny reconciles these views of Bill as recounted in the second link below — they’re about feminism and Maori activism (Ginny has as a volunteer taught Maori language):
  
  “Until the 1990s, Bill regarded other communist groups, and later Maori sovereignty activists and militant feminists, as threats to a unified, progressive labour movement.”
  
  Ginny Andersen:
  
  https://ginnyandersen.co.nz/
  
  And Great Uncle Bill:
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/6a6/andersen-gordon-harold-bill/print
  
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  November 12, 2025 4:43pm
Cassandra

In a move that will have every Maori grifter in NZ salivating, the Victorian (Labor) Government has set up an aboriginal assembly which will be based on the UN Indigenous Treaty that John Key approved. The Act has been passed by the State Parliament.

Funding starts at $AS 27 million a year increasing annually until it reaches $70 million. The assembly does not have to account to anyone for its actions or finances. A bit like NZ’s tribes.

The assembly has a long list of powers. Any action by the State Government or its agencies including the Commissioner of Police must have an input into how it impacts First Peoples who are defined as “all people of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander descent living in Victoria.”

It’s not limited to aboriginal tribes of Victoria. Torres Strait is 4,000 km from Melbourne.
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November 12, 2025 8:39am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  Watch for the influx of Aboriginals into Victoria.
  
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  November 12, 2025 8:48am
- Paulus
  
  Initially we understand they are seeking trillions fr0m the extraction of minerals from the land of which they own it all.
  Many new Aboriginals are declaring themselves.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:21am
- Northshoredoc
  
  What a disasterous decision. Enormous costs to the taxpayers in Australia and a massive transfer of money to legal grifters and aboriginal equivalents of the Tamihere family.
  
  Sadly none of the money will trickle through to the aboriginal communities that these grifters purport to represent.
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:20am
- kowtow
  
  Lefty pollies.
  
  Bring in major radical changes which no one wants, yet ignore the shcoking knife crime epidemic engaged in by young members of African immigrant background.
  
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  November 12, 2025 12:40pm
cmm

Yesterday I had a long (for me) chat with a young Afghani man who has lived in NZ for a while.

He told me that most Afghani marriages inside New Zealand are still arranged marriages although his wasn’t. He had met his wife through the community and they had asked to get married and everyone had agreed – so although it was their choosing they still had controlling oversight from others.

I was somewhat surprised, although I probably should not have been.

The community is growing, though many of the more industrious are heading over to Australia as soon as they have secured NZ citizenship.
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November 12, 2025 8:45am
- MCōs
  
  I worked with a guy in Wellington whose parents were Indian. They arranged a bride for him back in India so he dutifully went over there, but he didn’t take to her and married her sister instead.
  They came back and brought up a family in Wellington.
  Another guy I worked with was a Jewish refugee who came from Russia with his wife and in laws. Couldn’t speak English only wrote in Cyrillic. They knew nobody, couldn’t trust fellow Russians.
  After a couple of years his English was pretty good, but they were lonely so once they became citizens they went to Oz where there was a Russian/Jewish community
  When they left Russia they were robbed blind when they changed their money and came to NZ virtually penniless
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:07am
- Jack5
  
  CMM on Afghanis in NZ: … many of the more industrious are heading over to Australia as soon as they have secured NZ citizenship.
  
  Can they can go to Australia visa free once they have NZ citizenship or is it just NZ residency?
  Either way, this is why half those from New Zealand applying for citizenship in Australia were not born in NZ.
  
  New Zealand is a back door into Australia for the Third World.
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:42am
  - ISeeRed
    
    New Zealand is a back door into Australia for the Third World.
    
    Yep. We are being taken for a nation of absolute suckers. In many cultures taking advantage of someone’s kindness, naivety or stupidity is a flex. It’s almost looked down on if you don’t.
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:31pm
  - cmm
    
    “Can they can go to Australia visa free once they have NZ citizenship or is it just NZ residency?”
    
    You need NZ citizenship to go to Australia under Special Category Visa (SCV 444) . NZ permanent residence is not enough.
    
    Any immigration laws and visas and such are generally associated with your country of citizenship – although possibly country of residence is taken into consideration.
    
    The Afghani bloke I spoke with said his wife’s citizenship is expected to come through early next year then they will leave within a month or two. She has presumably been a PR for at least 5 years.
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:54pm
  - MCōs
    
    The term ‘third world country’ went out with the Cold War and referred to political alignment.
    India, China, Philippines, South Africa, where a good proportion of our immigrants come from are developing countries
    If people from developing countries with NZ passports were an problem in Australia one would think they’d quickly find a way to stem the flow
    
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    November 12, 2025 4:53pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Don’t worry, New Zealand is fast becoming a ~~Third World~~ undeveloping country compared to the rest of the West.
      
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      November 12, 2025 6:56pm
    - cmm
      
      “The term ‘third world country’ went out with the Cold War and referred to political alignment”
      
      I am pretty sure you’re confusing “Second world” with “Third World”.
      
      Second world was the term used for the commie-bloc countries and is now a pointless phrase.
      
      Third world was, and still is, the countries of Africa, S. America etc etc now sometimes referred to as “developing countries” – though most are regressing rather than developing (eg. South Africa).
      
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      November 12, 2025 8:57pm
imalwaysright

The question now is what else, if anything, has Coster been up to?

Its hard to believe that he would risk his, presumably, otherwise spotless character to protect a criminal, unless his character wasn’t spotless…
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November 12, 2025 8:48am
NothingLeft

Remarkable science about toxoplasmosis effects on rewiring sexual behaviour of people – in alignment with more ‘progressive’ politics. (youtube discussions from Malcom and Simone Collins https://youtu.be/fioOj_3ERuM )

This is a new thing in the world over last few decades in wake of increased promiscuity enabled by birth control and ‘sexual revolution’ as these diseases appear to be human behavior modifying sexually transmitted diseases that for example increase interest in oral and anal sex that transmit them.

A possible partial explanation for the queerification of the west tied into higher cat ownership amongst single people?
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November 12, 2025 8:49am
cmm

How can McSkimmings be painted as a lone rotten egg?

There is a whole system that vetted him all the way to the top. Did nobody object?

I have never met the man, but the image I build from what comes through the admittedly distorted lens of the media is one of sleaze. Did nobody else feel that?

When a single constable mines police databases for her gang boyfriend, that is bad enough. At least “the system” caught her. But somehow McSkimming managed through decades of reviews and promotions without any alarms going off. Hmmm…

{Please insert “alleged” as required).
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November 12, 2025 8:52am
- Phronesis
  
  Perhaps he really was the best available to the system. Police only recruit from within for management positions. He could have been the least worst option.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:09am
- Paulus
  
  I believe I understand from the media that there are many other senior Police persons who knew, but did swee fa.
  Watch this space we are told.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:23am
  - KKNZ2025
    
    It’s not the crime, it’s the cover up that gets them
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/578611/revealed-the-senior-cops-who-exposed-the-jevon-mcskimming-police-cover-up
    
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    November 12, 2025 9:50am
- GJM
  
  It appears Cuddles was actively protecting him, and the police staff at the ministers office were diverting emails to keep the minister in the dark. Cuddles was appointed by Jacinda and was her hatchet man for people who were unkind.
  It stinks and there had better be criminal charges laid.
  Every cop out there now will be accused of watching kiddie porn, while slipping info to their gang partner between fraudulently faking breath tests.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:41am
- I remember when
  
  At least the imaginary breath tests don’t appear to have resulted in any drink driving convictions!
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:59am
Gravelroad

Am I naive to be astonished that an employee who is allegedly addicted to extreme pornography involving children and animals, was deemed suitable to be a top ranking level policeman?
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November 12, 2025 8:53am
- Paul Marsden
  
  And who else in the Police hierarchy knew of his predilections?
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:03am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  People hide things. However in this case he seemed to be using his work computers to access such material. AFAIK government agencies have in place alarm bells that ring loudly when that happens.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    McSkimming had circumvented (or closed down) the controls.
    
    He was also a member of the Security and Privacy Reference Group (SPRG) throughout the period, and had knowledge of information security controls that applied to the use of the internet.
    
    In late 2020, police made the decision that six-monthly internet usage monitoring reports, supplied to the senior leadership team, would cease. McSkimming would have been aware of this.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/578069/former-deputy-police-commissioner-jevon-mcskimming-s-offensive-search-terms-revealed
    
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    November 12, 2025 9:29am
    - Gravelroad
      
      So if this w…er wanted to access child pornography at his office workplace to get himself through the day – he could.
      On a police computer? Or his own device?
      No questions asked.
      What a star.
      Who knew the NZ Police HQ was such a lax outfit.
      Not me.
      I’m just a taxpayer providing the salary.
      
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      November 12, 2025 9:57am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Who guards the guardians…
      
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      November 12, 2025 10:03am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      It would be interesting to know whether he had any involvement in the decision to do away with the 6 monthly audits.
      
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      November 12, 2025 11:05am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    We have better security on our work computers than the police. I can’t even check my Lotto ticket at work on my work PC!
    
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    November 12, 2025 11:51am
- cmm
  
  Hiding the alleged porn is one thing. Hiding the alleged reported sexual assault(s) is quite another.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:22am
- Paulus
  
  More to come – watch this space !
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:24am
  - cmm
    
    This drip-feeding is making things far, far worse.
    
    Cut once, cut deep.
    
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    November 12, 2025 12:26pm
- peterwn
  
  There were two issues here – the relationship and the porn. It would not be part of normal vetting to check an employee’s work devices for porn. And that activity probably had not come to the attention of the authorities, he would have taken come care in that regard. He could well have been ‘caught’ by FBI, Secret Service, etc at some time in the future just as the Australian police got wind of Ron Brierley’s activities.
  The porn aspect was a later by-catch but a very useful one to effectively give him the boot immediately so his paid gardening leave stopped.
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:22am
keepcalmcarryon

Firearms law changes just more tinkering, register remains, no changes to semi autos (a vain hope/promise for some).l, police still in charge of FSA.
Bigger changes scuttled by Nats.

Licensed firearms owners underwhelmed.
The “agree to disagree clause shown to be just bullshit – a cop out that supposedly lets a party out of jail on a promise if a coalition partner doesn’t like it!

There will be a fair number of votes agreeing to disagree they should keep voting ACT, but where do they go, to the Nats that shafted them now or NZ First who shafted them with Jacindas gun laws?
It is a dangerous game to do a Labour and take any demographs votes for granted.
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November 12, 2025 9:20am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  I wonder what the Maori Parties position on firearms is :)?
  
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  November 12, 2025 11:33am
  - Keith White
    
    Hold them sideways, gangsta style.
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:22pm
  - cmm
    
    Surely Maori have traditional rights to firearms?
    
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    November 12, 2025 2:45pm
    - JohnRidd
      
      Only if they buy them from sealers or whalers.
      
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      November 12, 2025 4:00pm
- Quail
  
  Kcco,
  Agree to disagree is not good enough.
  They should vote according the principles they campaigned on.
  Not that that would change anything much!
  Don’t worry, they have also upped the fines for any misdemeanours relating to firearms .
  The salt in the wound!
  
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  November 12, 2025 12:07pm
Frank the tank

Notice how not one person, media outlet or the like has come forward to say the US has blown up a bunch of innocent fisherman on day out on a speedboat in the Pacific or the Caribbean.
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November 12, 2025 9:28am
- Jake Dee
  
  Still waiting for anyone, or any media outlet to show why they think any of those boats shown being destroyed were fishing boats.
  Now all of this would be a lot easier if the US military would release more information, the exact time and location of those hits, but I can understand why they don’t. If you’re out hitting the enemy you would release as little information as possible about when and where you’re operating.
  However if they have hit innocent fishermen then wouldn’t we be able to prove it from the other side of the equation?
  “My husband, father, brother went out fishing as usual one day, the weather was calm but they never came back, and their boat looked exactly like the one on that video! etc.”
  Normal people living normal lives doing normal legal work have very different networks than people doing a bunch of criminal underground stuff. People send out search parties for overdue fishing boats and they don’t mind spreading the word with their real names attached.
  It’s very different for gangster and narco-traffickers, the public is not supposed to know where they are, what they’re doing or what their real names are.
  
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  November 12, 2025 6:54pm
imalwaysright

Presumably Mark Mitchell will soon be announcing the arrests of some past and current police officers.

Or is it an ‘operational matter’ or an ‘integrity issue’ ?
Will Coster’s punishment be another $700,000 pa job ?
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November 12, 2025 9:39am
Conservatarian

It’s time for the TDS sufferers on this site to come clean.

How much of your TDS was driven by legacy media outlets pumping outright lies and other ideological slop directly into your brain?

Think back to 2015. Estimates please.

Has the BBC scandal – the final hammer blow to the reputation of the English speaking world’s formerly most trusted news service – caused you to reflect inwards?
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November 12, 2025 9:47am
- MCōs
  
  Here’s a shocking bit of TDS for you
  https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQzpneUjWPW/?igsh=Z3lmdTQxa2Y2bGpw
  
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  November 12, 2025 6:03pm
I remember when

The Armistice ceremony before the Wales v Argentina game made me wonder, in view of the Falklands, what the Argentine players were thinking.
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November 12, 2025 9:54am
- Cassandra
  
  Probably nothing. 11 November is much more of a general remembrance of sacrifice. Its culture is Flanders. Any war cemetery is really moving. If you get the chance go to the French one on Gallipoli which commemorates the 10,000 French dead.
  
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  November 12, 2025 11:40am
- kowtow
  
  Consider the Glasgow Celtic morons who turned their backs during the minute’s silence.
  
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  November 12, 2025 12:03pm
Tony Stuart

Having now read most of the IPCA’s report into the McSkimming issue, I am convinced that there needs to be a prosecution for conspiring to defeat the course of justice in which Coster, McSkimming, Tania Kura and other unnamed senior Police officers are charged.
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November 12, 2025 10:03am
- imalwaysright
  
  What would motivate Coster et al to alledgedly cover up for McSkimming ?
  
  Did they want a Commissioner on whom they had some dirt?
  
  Or does McSkimming have some dirt on them?
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder why Coster was so dead set in having McSkimming as his replacement.
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:40am
  - kowtow
    
    MW
    
    More details from RNZ.He really did seem dead set on McS getting the job.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/senior-cops-who-stood-mcskimming-cover-revealed
    
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    November 12, 2025 10:52am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Because he’s soft.
    
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    November 12, 2025 11:09am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He actively stymied any investigation into McSkimming…. it’s more than being soft/naive.
      
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      November 12, 2025 11:17am
      - Keith White
        
        “Cui bono” is always a useful place to start from.
        
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        November 12, 2025 11:51am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Coster is reasonably intelligent. The only thing that could make him allegedly deceive the Minister and allegedly conspire to break the law would be fear.
      
      Fear of what though?
      
      Or is Jevon merely a strand of the tangled web?
      
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      November 12, 2025 12:07pm
      - cmm
        
        Maybe it’s just arrogance?
        
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        November 12, 2025 2:44pm
  - cmm
    
    Perhaps got some dirt?
    And no, that is not an allegation. It is purse speculation.
    
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    November 12, 2025 12:32pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I agree Tony and remember the prosecution of John Dewar for his involvement in the Rotorua events.
  
  The other thing is that so many at PNHQ knew or were told about the affair from 2016 onwards by McSkimming and the emails from the complainant to Police, politicians and journalists that it seems unbelievable that it supposedly remained a secret within Wellington, a great place for salacious gossip.
  
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  November 12, 2025 10:51am
- RichardF
  
  That won’t happen in ‘Aotearoa’. We let people off with a slap from a wet bus ticket.
  
  What a shameful situation. Lock the sick bastards up.
  
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  November 12, 2025 11:13am
kowtow

Coster made a huge public play of going on about the Peel Principles , aka “policing by consent”.

The principles are all about the police being the public and public endorsement of the police , based upon public approval and trust .

Yet he himself has , on the face of it, done so much to undermine that .

Once again , these people are purely “performative” , work on emotion and appearances rather than substance , very like the ministers and regime who appointed him.
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November 12, 2025 10:19am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  The Porn Principles.
  
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  November 12, 2025 2:41pm
Clyde

Does anyone seriously believe after this IPCA report has come out that not one word, one little hint, one clear message about the behaviour of ANY of these senior executives in the Police NEVER reached the politicians that had to approve their rise in status to commissioners or deputies or assistants? This sort of stuff never can be contained and if ANYONE had wanted something to happen then they would have contacted the PM or the Minister of Police or maybe even a member of the MSM. So, did Ginny Anderson, Stu Nash or Hipkins know nothing? I say BS.
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November 12, 2025 10:48am
Keith White

Probably the same vetters who vetted the Christchurch butcher, vetted the top coppers.
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November 12, 2025 11:52am
cmm

Why do we have a society where criminal activities are somewhat supported by the state? Examples here are the needle exchange programmes which make hand outs to druggies and drug testing services.

We do this because there deemed to be less social harm by just helping these people break the law in a less dangerous way.

Perhaps we should apply the same principle with gang members and such who use firearms illegally. Teach them to shoot straight.

Criminals are going to try to shoot up their opposition. If they can shoot straight they are less likely to shoot innocent victims.

If Brian McDonald could shoot straight then Margaret Bell would likely now be a 63 grandmother rather than having her life cut short at 17 in 1979.

Same here: this Wainoni woman would not be in hospital.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch/christchurch-shooting-manhunt-for-gunman-who-shot-wainoni-woman-in-bungled-drive-by-shooting-ramps-up/WGZAFU4YONDFTNSZNV4A3GCBKE/
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November 12, 2025 12:02pm
- Jack5
  
  What shooting style would you advocate for gangsters, CMM?
  
  Traditional army and sports style, or the point-and-shoot style famously pioneered in Shanghai by William Fairbairn?
  
  https://www.thefreelibrary.com/W.E.+FAIRBAIRN+AND+THE+BIRTH+OF+MODERN+GUNFIGHTING%3A+PART+I%3A+SHANGHAI.-a0619012070
  
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  November 12, 2025 1:48pm
- Jake Dee
  
  There is a very direct link between being a criminal and not being able to shoot straight.
  Although obviously there are different types of criminals, the ones I’m talking about are not just the opposite side from you in a civil war, those are political criminals.
  A person who has a chaotic life and a disordered mind in one area is much more likely to be disordered in other areas as well, and are much less likely, for example, to be able to handle machinery and firearms accurately.
  Are you familiar with the case of Valerie Solanas, the woman who shot Andy Warhol?
  She was in a dispute with Warhol because he refused to produce her pornographic play.
  Anyway, she charges into his office with a Barretta automatic, shoots twice misses twice continues shooting hits Warhol in the belly and another by-stander in the hip, the gun jams, she can’t clear it, so she drops the pistol and leaves.
  Later she was quoted as saying “I don’t regret shooting him, I do regret not doing any target practice, that was inexcusable”.
  Valerie Solanas was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic.
  The reason why she shot Andy Warhol is exactly the same reason she couldn’t kill him with one clean shot to the head.
  The reason why you can’t teach these criminals to shoot straight is the same reason they’re criminals.
  
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  November 12, 2025 7:28pm
imalwaysright

Aussie wants to host the next COP31 enviroMENTALIST meeting next year.

The budget is over a billion dollars…
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November 12, 2025 12:23pm
- AitchW
  
  Ardern is keen as beans for Aussie to host it. What’s in it for her one wonders….
  
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  November 12, 2025 1:02pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    How much is Ardern contributing financially?
    There is you answer to why she is keen as………..
    
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    November 12, 2025 4:27pm
- Paulus
  
  So would you if some 50,000 people needed accommodation, feeding, girls etc, as are current in Belize.
  Great financial time !
  
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  November 12, 2025 2:12pm
imalwaysright

The Michelin Guide tried to get over $30 million from Aussie to rate their restaurants. Aussie told them to pees off.

NZ says its a great idea and gives them over $6 million saying it will be great for tourism.
That will be about $6 million per qualifying restaurant.

I hope its a big restaurant …
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November 12, 2025 12:31pm
Jack5

Health Ministers Simeon Brown and his associate in the portfolio, David Seymour, have an announcement on the Parliamentary site under a headline that reads: “First cancer medicine available in private hospitals”

Then the release announces five new treatments that Pharmac will make available, but adds only this about private hospitals:

“People told Pharmac that they wanted funded access for more people and the ability to administer these medicines in more settings. Pharmac heard that loud and clear. Pharmac removed the Health New Zealand hospital-only restriction for faricimab (Vabysmo) to give people better access. This is another great example of Pharmac listening to consumers. I expect to see more of this.”

With the public health system under heavy financial pressure, and Health Minister Brown playing the hard man, where do National and ACT stand on the public health system?

Today, we are 65.8 per cent through the time between the last general election and the latest possible date for the next general election. So we are starting the final third of the term, and the health system will be an issue.

Details of the centre-right parties’ positions on health will be an issue for many voters.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/first-cancer-medicine-available-private-hospitals
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November 12, 2025 1:20pm
Jack5

The McSkimming clan in Otago were once the biggest folk in New Zealand ceramics and pottery.

If Police Minister Mitchell is as pissed off about former Police Deputy Commissioner McSkimming as he says, here’s an idea for him.

From an antiques shop get an old toilet bowl with the word “McSkimming” on in it and piss on it every time he’s angry.

How does Ministerial responsibility work? Does PM Luxon send a message to Mitchell? A message saying, “Thank you to your offer to resign, Mitch, but ministerial responsibility is a quaint colonial relic, and you keep the job.”
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November 12, 2025 1:39pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Mitchell is part of the solution, Jack, not part of the problem.
  
  Unless you have evidence to the contrary?
  
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  November 12, 2025 4:01pm
  - AitchW
    
    I listened to Mitchell in the house this afternoon. My impression is that he is, in equal parts, horrified, furious, and disgusted at the behaviours of senior police.
    He sounds absolutely determined to right the wrongs done by police and to do whatever needs to be done to ensure that happens.
    In my opinion he bears no moral responsibility for what happened and should not be denigrated for it.
    
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    November 12, 2025 4:38pm
    - Keith White
      
      Well he hasn’t kicked all the police staff out of his office and email chain yet has he. He’s also on nationwide public record as a great Coster-bather – as recently as 2023
      
      “Mitchell said he thinks Coster is good at his job.
      
      “I’ve worked with him when he was in the Justice Ministry, he’s a man of integrity, highly intelligent, very strong around policy, I just want to see him now get out there and support what we want to achieve and I think that he’s going to do that.”
      
      Yeah right.
      
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      November 12, 2025 6:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    😉That was a joke, NMTBollocks.
    
    However, there is a concept of vicarious responsibility. At its extreme this would hold a Minister responsible for whatever occurred within a department for which he held the portfolio.
    
    Of general ministerial responsibility, AI found this on Wikipedia:
    
    Ministerial responsibility is a constitutional principle in parliamentary systems where ministers are accountable to the parliament for the actions and decisions of their departments.
    
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    November 12, 2025 5:02pm
rouppe

In all the commentary on McSkimming dominating the conversation, we may forget that there are some truly horrible people everywhere.

Wealthy foreigners paid tens of thousands of dollars to become “weekend snipers” and shoot civilians during the siege of Sarajevo, according to allegations being investigated by Italian authorities.
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November 12, 2025 4:29pm
- AitchW
  
  Whataboutism at its worst.
  Yes, dreadful things far worse happen, that doesn’t diminish in any way the despicable behaviour by some cops.
  
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  November 12, 2025 4:40pm
  - Mike
    
    “At least I didn’t go on murder spree” is unlikely to be a persuasive plea in mitigation.
    
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    November 12, 2025 4:59pm
- Jake Dee
  
  That’s an interesting story in its own right and doesn’t need to be linked to the very different McSkimming story.
  After reading the article I’d say it’s a “frame game”.
  How do you frame the events?
  Civilian foreign supporters of the Serbs contribute some money and spend some time on the front line, some as snipers. What are their motivations? Depends how you frame it.
  
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  November 12, 2025 7:53pm
- cmm
  
  Perhaps it is a bit like wealthy hunters culling surplus elephants in Zimbabwe.
  
  They are going to be shot anyway, so may as well make some local income out of it.
  
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  November 12, 2025 9:00pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    But the Serbs were still running a military operation, I can see the benefit of having some wealthy benefactors come in on your side, but you can’t have them shooting whoever they choose whenever they like.
    
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    November 13, 2025 4:58pm
Sir Henry Morgan

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/refugee-businessman-abdul-ahmadi-sentenced-for-800k-stolen-car-chop-shop/XKBSK3LH4JBCXK4DHFUZB5XZ5E/

Here you have yet another criminal “refugee” interacting with New Zealand’s increasing surreal “justice system”.

You have a judge who seems keen to consider whether cultural difference might explain a foreign criminal’s criminality and hence allow a heavily discounted sentence. Ultimately, the judge decides that won’t fly. Fortunately though, New Zealand has some Alice-in-Wonderland cultural concepts of its own. Pouncing on this piece of good fortune, the wise judge thus gives the foreign criminal a 35% sentencing discount based on the fact that his criminality has lost him some valuable “mana”.

The justice system has become a total joke. Not only that, but we’re forced to daub ourselves in a culture that simply isn’t ours.
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