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Yvette

Peter Williams: The Dysfunctional Maori Health Trusts
Nepotism a sure sign that other problems will emerge
First there was the Waipareira Trust, then the Manukau Urban Maori Authority (MUMA) and now there’s Te Kaika. They have much in common. They’re all Maori owned and controlled health and social service providers. They’re all predominantly government funded. And they’re a blueprint for nepotism …
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/peter-williams-the-dysfunctional-maori-health-trusts

Perhaps just as the Maori Health Board was dropped.

However: AI Overview –
There isn’t a direct one-word Māori translation for “nepotism,” as Māori culture often views favoring kin through concepts like whanaungatanga (kinship/family connection) or aroha ki te whānau (love for family), which can appear as nepotism to Pākehā (non-Māori) but are cultural obligations to support one’s extended family (whānau) and tribe (iwi). Māori organizations prioritize trusted relatives because they know and trust them, which is seen as essential for community well-being, unlike the negative connotations of nepotism in Western contexts.
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The second flashpoint is the party’s blunt attempts to recast nepotism as cultural solidarity within its ranks. “We make the following acknowledgement to all Māori,” the email states. “‘Pākehā apply a word to us called nepotism. The Māori word for nepotism is Aroha ki te whānau, tautoko tō whakapapa.”
https://centrist.nz/te-pati-maori-allege-assault-nepotism-and-financial-chaos-by-kapa-kingis/

“Aroha ki te whānau, tautoko tō whakapapa” is a beautiful Māori phrase meaning “Love the family, support your ancestry/genealogy,” emphasizing deep care for kin and honoring one’s lineage, where aroha is profound love and tautoko is actively supporting or upholding. It’s a call to nurture family bonds and recognize the strength and identity found in your whakapapa (genealogy) for holistic wellbeing (hauora).

How will the process of embedding tikanga in New Zealand law, honour both Maori and non-Maori views on “nepotism”?
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December 10, 2025 8:02am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Maori graft and nepotism is no different from that of any other ethnicity.
  
  Where it involves public funds it should be called out for what it is and the attempts to hide behind ‘it’s a cultural thing’ treated as risible.
  
  I have no doubt most maori new zealanders find the behaviour to be disgracful.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    It seems that every day we hear of corruption in the Public Service and their offshoots.
    
    No one ever goes to jail.
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:44am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Maori are our Somali. Block voting, weak politicians, Govt handouts, Non-Govt organisations run by fraudsters, blackmail, bribery, robbery, theft, violence – all the same.
    
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    December 10, 2025 11:42am
- Mike
  
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  AFAIK, Pakeha culture has always operated on the basis of ‘it’s not what you know, it’s who you know’.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:11am
  - Eastlander
    
    This is the mantra of resentful failures. ‘Pakeha culture’ created virtually everything of value in the world. Maori culture has no positive attribute that anyone has ever been able to identify.
    
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    December 10, 2025 8:22am
    - greybeard
      
      You are so right, and that , I suspect, is what drives so many maori activists and white-haters. Having to admit it must be anathema to them.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:51am
    - David Garrett
      
      Eastlander: I have always thought the way Maori treat death to be much superior to what was until quite recently, European practice.
      
      I remember when a close friend’s mother died about 25 years ago everyone thought it “odd” that she wanted her mother in the house in an open casket before the funeral.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:59am
    - Jake Dee
      
      “Maori culture has no positive attribute that anyone has ever been able to identify.”
      I take issue with that.
      The positive attribute that I identify in Maori culture is the Warrior ethos, the ability to stand up and fight rather than lie down and beg. It’s the attitude that if someone transgress against you, then you punch them in the face and don’t cry, weep complain, moan and write a letter about it to someone else.
      Put that ethos into an organization and it’s called The Military.
      Consider the 28th Maori battalion. A 20 year old man in 1939 would have been born in 1919. At 20-25 years per generation he was 4-5 generations away from the literal stone age.
      Then in WWII they were fighting and winning against the best the Wehrmacht had to offer.
      So I guess that’s a second positive attribute I can identify in Maori culture, the ability for massive positive change over an incredibly short time.
      Maori culture has progressed maybe 3, 000 years in maybe 200 years. I don’t know of any culture that could match that.
      That’s an incredible achievement that Maori and New Zealand should be very proud of.
      
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      December 10, 2025 5:44pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Nonsense. A myth. They shot German prisoners at Monte Casino and as a consequence suffered enormous casualties from the Germans who gave better than they got. This is mentioned in official war dispatches and was well known among NZ soldiers.
        
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        December 11, 2025 9:48am
  - cmm
    
    Putting aside your slur, there is certainly a huge cultural diversity around the acceptability of nepotism etc.
    
    I had an interesting discussion with a Chinese guy recently (born in China, lives and works in USA, came to NZ to learn about some technology).
    
    For thousands of years the Chinese have had a system whereby bright individuals were identified no matter whether they came from and their background and a selection and promotion process they were fed up the chain to become administrators etc. Even the son of a poor villager could rise to become an advisor to the Emperor.
    
    He said this is what has lead to the Chinese cultural obsession with education. Education unlocked doors for everyone to reach their maximum capability.
    
    This was turned on its head during the Moaist era when it became trendy to be an illiterate peasant and intellectualism was stamped out (just wearing specs could have you executed for elitism). Deng Xiaoping’s leadership saw a return to the promotion of education etc.
    
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    December 10, 2025 8:34am
    - Wandering Star
      
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      Yeah, but they were still all Chinese, practicing Chinese nepotism.
      
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      December 10, 2025 8:39am
      - Aquarius
        
        [Mod – debate the topic]
        
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        December 10, 2025 2:56pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        No that’s exactly the opposite of what he said.
        Being the Mayor of a Chinese city doesn’t allow you to get your son, cousin, nephew a government job.
        You still have to go to school and pass the exams and then start at the bottom just like everybody else.
        
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        December 10, 2025 5:47pm
    - Mike
      
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      I guess I should be as grateful to you for explaining Chinese culture as I am to Yvette for her profound, AI-assisted insights about Māoritanga.
      
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      December 10, 2025 8:39am
      - Fender
        
        About as grateful as we all are for your well thought and expressed posts.
        Yours seem a little more personal though.
        
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        December 10, 2025 11:04am
    - artemisia
      
      China universities dominate in top unis global ratings. Didn’t happen by accident. And almost a billion citizens lifted out of extreme poverty last few decades. Also not by accident.
      
      The West should be watching, and preparing.
      
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      December 10, 2025 8:55am
      - kowtow
        
        The west has made that possible.
        
        btw ex RAF flyers are in China training their military fly boys .
        
        Not exactly “preparing” , but certainly very concerning.
        
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        December 10, 2025 9:08am
      - Jack5
        
        That report oḟ China recruiting British pilots comes from three years ago.
        
        This, from a year ago, is more up to date — it claims the scheme, run by British firm Livingstone Aerospace Ltd, was to train test pilots:
        
        https://asiatimes.com/2024/12/what-uk-fighter-pilots-did-and-didnt-teach-chinas-pla/
        
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        December 10, 2025 9:56am
    - David George
      
      The North East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent people by a significant margin; we, individually and collectively, become what we value.
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:45am
      - artemisia
        
        Ashkenazi Jews comprise by far the majority of the Jewish population, and are disproportionately wealthy.
        
        Compare and contract with nations that want to eliminate them.
        
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        December 10, 2025 10:50am
      - Wandering Star
        
        Intelligence only gets you so far. Group dynamics and organisation is required. North East Asians are typically smarter than Jews, but Jews practice intense nepotism and ingroup preference. In other words, they look out for each other and help each other get ahead, because this approach benefits the group. This is particularly important when your group is a tiny minority, and moreover, they benefit further if the majority has little group identity and values individualism.
        
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        December 10, 2025 1:32pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        I guess Willie Jackson is the startling exception that proves the rule about high intelligence & Ashkenazi Jews.
        
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        December 10, 2025 1:36pm
  - Wandering Star
    
    Exactly. Nepotism, in the broadest sense, is a pan-ethnic/cultural phenomenon right throughout history. Only Whites in the 21st century have been bamboozled and browbeaten into thinking there’s something wrong with group loyalty and taking care of your own first. This delusiin is why we’ve allowed ourselves to be swamped with multiracialism and multiculturalism.
    
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    December 10, 2025 8:37am
  - Michael Johnston
    
    Nepotism, as an aspect of tribalism, is the default setting of every human culture. But some cultures develop a concept of citizenship, which transcends tribalism. These cultures are able to sustain democracy, equality before the law, checks and balances on power, and many other ideals that we’ve come to take for granted, and which have given us unprecedented peace and prosperity. But tribalism is always waiting in the wings, ready to reassert itself if we don’t actively maintain a stance of being citizens first and tribe members second.
    
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    December 10, 2025 8:51am
    - Wandering Star
      
      That can only happen in a homogenous society. Liberalism (“classical” or otherwise) was invented by White Christian males – when they talked of “liberty” and “equality” and “universality” they implicitly meant among White Christian men. In the 17th and 18th centuries, they never dreamed there would be millions of Africans living in Europe in 2025. They’d be horrified.That was the context of their thinking, and most of them would be considered racist, sexist and so on by today’s standards. And they were.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:40am
      - Michael Johnston
        
        I disagree that an open society requires homogeneity. It does require a shared commitment to citizenship and equality under the law. People can have different religious beliefs and ethnicities within that framework as long as their beliefs are consistent with those principles.
        
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        December 10, 2025 11:12am
      - PurplePen
        
        “Liberalism (“classical” or otherwise) was invented by White Christian males”. It’s only random chance that it was invented by the race and sex as you’ve identified. They happened to be in the right place, art the right time and right level of technological development. It would just as easily have been any other race, probably not sex though.
        
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        December 10, 2025 11:37am
      - Wandering Star
        
        PurplePen
        But it wasn’t. It was thought up by a particilar people in a particular context. Africans could have invented jet aircraft – but they didn’t, just like they could have devised liberalism but didn’t.
        
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        December 10, 2025 1:42pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    The whole reason the West surged to the top of the heap in the world is that we embraced Egality as a foundational principle. Thereby maximizing the competence of the people we had in many jobs and making everyone at least notionally equally interested in putting country and general welfare of all ahead of their tribe.
    
    Lineage focused choices (ie nepotistic, tribalistic, racist or co-religionist or other means of carving up society into preferred and non preferred groups that you prioritiize or push back in advancement of interests) destroys trust and egality basis for society. That clientelism drags it down as bureaucrats politicians and other decision makers look to feather the nests of their group first and eventually destroy it in death-by-1000-cuts fashion – as is happening in the likes of South Africa or Lebanon and now NZ.
    
    The Left in their ignorant and unthinking promotion of this tribalistic bullshit – without understanding why Chesterton’s fence was there in the first place – are the enemy of western civilization
    
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    December 10, 2025 8:55am
    - kowtow
      
      Not “egality” , it was the Protestant work ethic aka capitalism and much else besides . ‘Egality’ didn’t have a lot to do with it.
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:10am
      - Philview
        
        It does sound like a chicken and egg situation with an egalitarian emphasis on education providing an opportunity for those with a work ethic to prosper.
        
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        December 10, 2025 9:59am
  - Vidar
    
    Mike, the “everyone does it” angle sidesteps the point.
    
    The question is how the legal system reconciles two different expectations around what’s acceptable practice.
    
    If you’ve got a view or a constructive option, feel free to add it.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:02am
    - Mike
      
      Our political and legal systems are more than flexible enough to cope with cultural variations. Unfortunately, human nature seems to be more excited by differences than similarities. Insisting on highlighting differences merely devalues commonality. This applies to all sides in most social issues.
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Good point. We are probably all, plus or minus a few percent, essentially the same.
        The identification of cultural, political, or moral differences is very easy these days and they seem to be magnified out of proportion to our commonalities.
        
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        December 10, 2025 10:54am
      - graham
        
        Which AI did THAT come out of?
        
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        December 10, 2025 10:55am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    What a daft response Mike.
    
    Do you approve of a different standard for taxpayer funded Maori enterprises?
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:21am
    - Mike
      
      Where did I say that?
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:21am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Don’t dodge the question. Do you or not?
        
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        December 10, 2025 1:14pm
      - Jethrod
        
        Deafening reply ISeeRed!
        
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        December 10, 2025 4:54pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike as you know Northshoredoc didn’t say that you said that. He asked if you approve of a different standard for taxpayer funded Maori enterprises.
        
        Well? Do you?
        
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        December 10, 2025 9:10pm
  - stewmar
    
    Cooking hangis
    
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    December 10, 2025 12:45pm
  - Kevin
    
    If by that you mean Jesus, and that you have the first part of your supposition wrong, you perhaps have stumbled upon a great truth.
    Keep trying.
    
    Happy valuable Advent.
    
    (this was to have been after your 8:11am offering. Oh well. Mistakes happen. Mine is small. And Yours?)
    
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    December 10, 2025 3:37pm
- Gravelroad
  
  All this “deep care for kin”, “profound love” and “nurture family bonds” and so on – sounds lovely-eh.
  So no more women drinking alcohol while pregnant?
  No more Whanau getting drunk and high on meth?
  No more wasting money on gold necklaces, motorbikes and food for the dog/s?
  No more bashing the missus?
  No maiming and causing the death of helpless babies and children?
  Anyone in these well funded health outfits ever address those real issues with any robust discussion and action?
  Please advise.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:19am
  - Mike
    
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    That’s a great list of common human habits. Did you have a point about Māori in particular?
    
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    December 10, 2025 8:41am
    - Gravelroad
      
      If you assume that the points above only relate to Maori – that is your problem. Not mine.
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:11am
    - Flossie
      
      It does unfortunately seem that statistics do tell us that this is very much about Maori.
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:13am
    - stewmar
      
      Yes Mike, all of the above
      
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      December 10, 2025 12:47pm
- Simon
  
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  Third world inflicted upon NZ by the National.
  
  But you lot voted for it.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:37am
  - Flossie
    
    Clearly you are anti National Simon, as your many posts have always shown. I am interested to know your preference for an alternative (and better) government.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:26am
  - R
    
    Simon, it was Comrade Clark who imposed the MULTICULTURAL SOCIETY upon us for political agenda reasons
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:50am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The left like to “think” that all cultures can hold hands and live in harmony. The left can not handle the truth or evidence which conflicts with that generic fantasy.
      
      Note: SOME (similar) cultures are reasonably compatible. Others are obviously not.
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:13pm
- Swifty
  
  Maori, or anyone else, are free to fill their company roles with family where their business is private.
  
  But in public positions and organisations different rules apply.
  
  And they have to apply.
  
  All around the world corruption is defined as using one’s public position for personal (or political) gain. Stacking your public organisation with Mum and Dad and son and daughter, with a few cousins and aunties thrown in meets this criteria.
  
  In this case, the ‘Western’ way, hiring on merit not kinship, is better, it gives better public service results.
  
  We must resist all attempts to impose whanautanga in our public service, irrespective of how ‘trendy’ decolonisation and Maori wonderfulness is currently.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:05am
  - cmm
    
    Hmmm… except many of those “private” Maori companies have a firm grip on the taxpayer’s tit and are effectively part of the public system.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:50am
    - Swifty
      
      I agree that they’re effectively part of the public system, but being private companies I’m not immediately aware of what can be done about it.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:36am
      - Swifty
        
        *can or should be done about it.
        
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        December 10, 2025 11:22am
      - Paulus
        
        Private Companies are invariably owned and run by families with family’s involved in the operations – try and Indian corner Dairy where all the family are involved as they want.
        
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        December 10, 2025 2:07pm
    - Swifty
      
      I’d add that those private Maori service providers who do stack themselves with family members and/or hapu or Iwi members, tell the rest of us that DEI is a great big lie and that they’re not falling for it.
      
      Having everyone in the office brown, a little overweight, look quite similar, and all with the surname Hohepa or Mahuta, isn’t very diverse is it?
      
      🤣
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:42am
  - I remember when
    
    The legal profession is full of the offspring of lawyers who have followed in the family footsteps.
    This results in a limited knowledge of life other than the ‘privileged’, restricted world they are part of.
    They are probably most closely connected to the elite of the varsity staff, which may help to explain why judges make some of the decisions they do.
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:10am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The issue I have with this sort of structure is that these are primarily founded on allegations of Racism against Maori, while presenting themselves as the solution.
  
  It has the elegance of creating a shield against criticism because any such criticism can be labelled as racism, no matter how well founded and researched such criticism might be.
  
  This also works for Education, where anything that can be perceived as anti Maori (Such as the moves by Erica Stanford to remove Maori from resources for Early Literacy in English) can be criticised for political gain.
  
  Hiding Nepotism by cloaking it in tikanga does not make it right. Attacking well founded criticism by crying racism needs to be called out for what it is.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:17am
- Yvette
  
  Having read most of the comments regarding nepostism, there is perhaps an over-emphasis on “Aroha ki te whānau, tautoko tō whakapapa”, meaning “Love the family, support your ancestry/genealogy,” and how that translates in other cultures, while the actual question remains – particularly in the context of taxpayer funds – are you doing with such money what it is allocated to your stewardship for you to do?
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:22am
- cmm
  
  People arrange themselves in many groups: race, tribe, sexuality, religion, university educated vs tradies, Holden vs Ford drivers,…
  
  I don’t care a damn about any of that. My in group preference is for competent people. Just give me competent people – no matter whether they are trannie Asian rocket scientists or people pushing trolleys in the supermarket parking lot.
  
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  December 10, 2025 11:57am
- KH
  
  Te Kaika
  The trouble with that fiasco is that our public servants queue up to give them money (big big money) just because they are the right brand.
  Weird ideological beliefs in our public service.
  
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  December 10, 2025 3:54pm
rouppe

It really is difficult to reconcile what the real truth is.

Famine and malnutrition

Or

Plenty of well fed people with money for modern bikes and clothes.
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December 10, 2025 8:06am
Steve Todd

The petition of Bruce Willis to remove the Māori electorates closed at 11:59PM last night, with 820 signatures (which is irrelevant). See https://petitions.parliament.nz/d61fab3d-3766-4343-c409-08dd17f0dfb0?lang=en.

Presumably, it will be referred to the Māori Affairs select committee before the Christmas break – five sitting days to go. I look forward to Chuck Bird keeping us abreast of its progress next year.
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December 10, 2025 8:06am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Waste of time and effort.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:11am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Die Hard 10
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:24am
- cmm
  
  These petitions are just there for people to feel heard.
  
  Parliament does not even listen to referendums – which they can control. Why would they worry about petitions which any random person can put together?
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:14am
- Yvette
  
  The petition of Bruce Willis to remove the Māori electorates
  Who knew of such a petition? Steve Todd, you are right: the number of signatures is totally irrelevant.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:16am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Who knew of such a petition?
    
    Indeed, Yvette. Had it not been for Chuck Bird encouraging Kiwibloggers to sign it earlier this year, I wouldn’t have known about it, either.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:21am
- pdm
  
  ST – Hobsons Pledge have a Petition on Removing the Maori Seats as well.
  
  Not sure when it’s time is up or numbers to date but I suspect they will comprehensively beat 800 odd.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:18am
  - Mike
    
    Please report back when it has more signatures than the 1970 Manapouri petition.
    
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    December 10, 2025 8:46am
    - Inandout
      
      Mike, yes 264,907 signed and back then all signatures were on paper so I guess most were genuine. However Lake Manapouri still exists, we still enjoy the electricity and Forest & Bird have gone onto other missions. Maori seats on the other hand are a quaint, but highly expensive, 1800s concept of protecting natives from being overwhelmed by pakeha voting numbers.
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:30am
    - Vidar
      
      Mike, what an amazingly worthwhile contribution, shifting the goalposts straight to the biggest petition NZ has ever seen so you don’t have to address the one being discussed.
      
      The point was about public interest now, not outdoing a historical record.
      
      Got anything on that, or is the benchmark the entire country’s peak achievement every time?
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:37am
      - Mike
        
        You miss the point. Petitions have their place, if raising an overlooked issue or attracting significant support. The petition of Bruce Willis does neither.
        
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        December 10, 2025 10:26am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Petitions have their place, if raising an overlooked issue or attracting significant support. ”
        
        Who decides which petitions “have their place”? Intolerant lefty twats?
        
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        December 10, 2025 9:33pm
    - pdm
      
      I will leave that to you Mikey.
      
      You be the legman for all on here.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:43am
  - Steve Todd
    
    pdm: I went back to May 2021, but couldn’t find it.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:33am
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/no-more-maori-seats
      
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      December 10, 2025 9:42am
    - pdm
      
      Go to Hobsons Pledge website – unless they have handed it in which is unlikely because they were pushing it on facebook a week or so ago.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:45am
- artemisia
  
  Some Parliamentary petitions have one signature. As I noticed when I presented mine with 2,000 signatures.
  
  (Mine failed but may well have succeeded under the current government and the Ministry for Regulation.)
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:59am
- Swifty
  
  Hey Steve, what do you make of Jasmine Crockett? Is she a star in the making?
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:08am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Apropos of what, Swifty?
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:36am
    - Swifty
      
      Nothing, just saw that you had posted and wanted to ask you your opinion.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:33am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Hmm. Then you really should have posted your question as a new comment, giving reasons why you asked.
        
        I’m just trying to have a bit of fun, Swifty, at Chuck’s expense, but again it seems to have fallen somewhat flat. In this regard, you missed my point 10 days ago, here, https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2025/11/general_debate_30_november_2025.html/comment-page-1#comment-3790001.
        
        I could have replied to you with something like, “Hey Swifty, what do you make of Tom Cotton? Is he on track to the Oval Office, do you think?” But I decided to play it straight.
        
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        December 10, 2025 11:05am
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah, good point Steve, I should have created a new comment.
        
        Will do next time.
        
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        December 10, 2025 11:17am
      - Swifty
        
        And yes, I did miss your reply to my question the other day.
        
        Yep, I take your point about Chuck.
        
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        December 10, 2025 11:20am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thank you for your responses, Swifty. I really appreciate them.
        
        Let’s let Krystal and Saagar answer your question. She has been Republican-gerrymandered out of her district, will likely win the Senate primary, but will likely lose the General next November. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5OOUUO0Tk0 [16:42].
        
        Swifty, please watch all 16 minutes. Saagar is not a fan. Krystal has a bit more time for her.
        
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        December 10, 2025 1:31pm
- Ghost
  
  Many petitions are just a joke
  
  Ban alcohol. that worked well last time, huh….
  
  Paid menstrual leave. That will make companies hire less females
  
  Impose a 4-day week for all full-time workers and students
  
  Prohibit the use of red, or similar colours, on or in pharmacy shop buildings any other colour’s we should ban…..
  
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  December 10, 2025 11:00am
artemisia

Pets in rentals. New laws in place now. It matters because of the huge number of tenants, landlords and rentals potentially impacted. And because pets are very often the owner’s family members. Issues are not like the usual maintenance requests for example.

Main bottom line – landlords cannot refuse a pet request without ‘reasonable grounds’, but wait there’s more, a lot more …..

The reason for the change is to make it easier for tenants to have pets. But there are plenty of landlords who are now heading for a stoush as pets are declined and if ‘reasonable grounds’ are not agreed by the parties there is likely to be a trickle then a flood of applications to the Tenancy Tribunal to adjudicate.

Already anxious or angry tenants are posting on social media.

Where is the Ministry for (less) Regulation when you need it?
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December 10, 2025 8:10am
- pdm
  
  arty. mrspdm and I are watching with interest an extended (fairly well removed from us) looking for a house as follows.
  
  Solo mother, with a good job qualification but not working, four children aged about 12 down to about 3 from three different fathers and a dog seeking a four bedroomed house in Havelock North.
  
  Now we suspect rentals for that house even in the less desirable areas of Havelock must be close to $1,000 a week and we taxpayers fund it.
  
  Good lifestyle too because she has been to two concerts, one in Auckland in the last 3/4 weeks.
  
  Forever bludging off her mother and her grandmother who has just turned 86 and regularly picks up kids from school and babysits them until their mother gets home.
  
  She represents all that is wrong with our country because she has a qualification to work in a profession that New Zealand and Hawkes Bay are said to be very short of but, life is easier for her on a benefit.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:28am
  - artemisia
    
    Under current rules she will be receiving from IRD all the child support paid by the 3 fathers.
    
    That should pay a decent chunk of the rent. //
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:01am
    - pdm
      
      Doubt it.
      
      One is doing a lengthy jail term and the other two have never worked in their lives as far as I know.
      
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      December 10, 2025 10:47am
- kowtow
  
  Pets . Another sign of the west’s decline as emotion takes precedence over private property rights .
  
  Is this an Act initiative?
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:30am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Pets in rentals. Yet another reason to get out of the landlord business.
  
  It’s actually a kindness, eh. Pets are expensive to buy & operate. Better to set the money aside for the deposit.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:27am
- Ehlana
  
  Pets are good for mental health so I generally favour that change. I would be interested to know if anyone has actually quantified any additional damage they cause, and how closely that correlates with people being bad tenants anyway.
  
  I also think we need a “Builder’s Crack” type site for landlords and tenants, where potential renters can see the landlord rating and landlords preparing to rent can check the rating of their proposed tenant. A single rating might not say much, but multiple ratings in the same direction would be telling. It might provide the transparent accountability to encourage delinquent players to lift their game.
  
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  December 10, 2025 11:43am
  - artemisia
    
    Each year tens of thousands of applications are made in the Tenancy Tribunal. Results are publicly available and searchable. That is an existing site to check tenants but also landlords. The great majority are made by landlords, assumption is that most include breaches of tenancy agreements. Some are eyewateringly huge. Of course landlords might not win. Even so, a good place to check names of applicant for rentals.
    
    There are already decisions relating to pets and I expect to see an increase over time.
    
    Forcing landlords to allow pets is not going to endear the tenants if / when there are pet problems in future.
    
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    December 10, 2025 12:03pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Thanks for the information artemisia. It’s good they’ve got a searchable database.
      
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      December 10, 2025 2:20pm
Nigel Kearney

The debate between Nicola Willis and Ruth Richardson should be interesting, assuming it goes ahead. Obviously Willis is an intellectual lightweight and no match for Richardson, however Willis has the low cunning of a political swamp creature so may be more persuasive to undecided voters. Also the media hate Richardson and coverage will reflect that.
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December 10, 2025 8:25am
- pdm
  
  Chris Lynch as moderator would be good.
  
  Or would it be better to watch Jack Tame wriggle and squirm as he tried to make Labour look good even though they had no one on the stage.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:34am
- Simon
  
  A bit harsh. Richardson ran NZ like an accountant, people were just little numbers on a spreadsheet. Quite happy to delete whole columns to get things to balance at the bottom of her spreadsheet.
  
  Willis has a few clues and can probably see what a terrible position NZ is in, but not really able to do much about it. So she just settles for shooting fish in a barrel ie dealing with Labour’s caveman economics
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:45am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    “Richardson ran NZ like an accountant”. Or maybe she had the nads to reverse some of Labour’s excesses, which neither Key’s nor Luxon’s Government did, are prepared to do. So Labour get in, massively increase spending and the size of Government, and National do nothing meaningful to reverse that spending and size of Government. I say “Bring back Ruth”.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:45am
    - cmm
      
      “Richardson ran NZ like an accountant”
      
      As you would hope from any responsible steward of other people’s money.
      
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      December 10, 2025 12:45pm
- AitchW
  
  Do you think the media have any love for Willis?
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:46am
- Mike
  
  Always fun to see a political party’s internal squabbles.
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This morning on the “Weekly Political Panel”, Carmel Sepuloni kept referring to the jewel/jew’l between Nicola and Ruth….
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2019016299/weekly-political-panel-nicola-willis-and-carmel-sepuloni
  
  Someone missed out on phonics in their early years….
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:02am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, toadally.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:12am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’ll be looking forward to the Labour instance. Edmonds v Cullen. I suspect Cullen will wipe the floor with Edmonds.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:29am
  - Swifty
    
    Will Cullen be communicating through a spiritual medium?
    
    Ouija board?
    
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    December 10, 2025 11:03am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Whoosh
      
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      December 10, 2025 7:45pm
  - Im Right
    
    Via a ouija board?
    
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    December 10, 2025 11:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Rubbish, she is an extremely good debater, she wiped the floor with Key while readying him for Helen Clark in 2007 when working in Bill English’s office, no so sure Richardson was from what I remember
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:49am
AitchW

The apparent deep reverence for Maori tikanga appears to worship a culture frozen in the late 1800s.
Just like language, cultural mores evolve and mature.
The push from the Maori elite allows no change in language or tikanga.
Just because “Aroha ki te whānau, tautoko tō whakapapa” was the norm 150 years ago doesn’t mean it still must be now. In the same way that generations of the same families worked in meat works and on the wharves but applicants are now selected on merit not family ties.
Maori need leadership which is outward looking and which has the best interests of all Maori at heart, not just it’s own whanau, hapu, or iwi.
We are a long, long way from that.
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December 10, 2025 8:45am
- RichardF
  
  There’s a Maori proverb about walking backwards into the future or something. Maybe they need to be more forward looking. I think many of them are stuck in the past.
  
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  December 10, 2025 11:34am
peterwn

“Willis has the low cunning of a political swamp creature” – what a fantastic compliment for Nicola!
It is not so much personalities (I have a lot of time for both Ruth and Nicola) but conflicting objectives. These are:
1. financial objectives for the long term interests of New Zealand which ‘the mother of all budgets’ was all about.
2. electoral objectives (the overarching objective of a political party is to get into power and if in power to stay in power). Ruth does not have to worry about this aspect, but Nicola sure has to.
All the economic purity in the world is not going to win elections. But a ‘political swamp creature’ has the cunning to help win elections.
A big mistake John Key/ Bill English made in the lead up to the 2017 election was probably being too tight with the purse strings. This left National vulnerable to attack from the left which Jacinda and Robbo were able to successfully deliver. Chris Luxon and Nicola Willis will not want to make that mistake.
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December 10, 2025 8:54am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Richard got a lot of flack for adjusting benefit levels. IIRC her rationale was that people who don’t have employment should not have more household income that those who get off the sofa and head to work every day.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:04am
  - peterwn
    
    This is one aspect to the issue I mentioned. Being too tough on beneficiaries (who are major supporters of the left) opens up National to lots of attacks backed by heart wrenching ‘stories’ (rather than hard facts) about the ‘plight’ of beneficiary families. Unfortunately these stories find sympathy with the ‘soft’ centre votes and deliver their votes to the left. So the ‘political swamp creature’ needs to do as much benefit reduction as reasonably possible without alienating the soft centre vote.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:53am
- RoboRob
  
  Sadly our education system is responsible for a lot of this. IF people understood finances and economics better parties would be able to win by being good financial managers. Unfortunately we are stuck with people who vote for the party that will spend the most on them.
  
  IF Nicola annonces getting back into budget surplus will be delayed another year when figures are released next week, she will have been a failure in my book. Unfortunately most people seem to think we can just borrow for ever at no cost.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:37am
  - peterwn
    
    Far batter to ‘fail’ to bring the budget back into surplus than to ‘fail’ the next election.
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:25am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      One of the many things we should have learned from Douglas and Richardson is that you can do the right thing for the country, even when that results in intense criticism, and still win the next election.
      
      And if the direction of the country does not change when National is in power, and all that happens is we circle the drain a little more slowly, it hardly matters who wins elections anyway.
      
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      December 10, 2025 11:12am
      - peterwn
        
        An overly optimistic view of things. I would doubt Nicola would want to campaign next year with one hand tied behind her back. Could work out but too risky.
        
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        December 10, 2025 2:04pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Far better to actually bring the country back to budget AND win the next election. Once in budget much easier to stay in government.
      
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      December 10, 2025 11:28am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Agreed, the problem they have is that labour basically turned the public service into one mega NZ Railways or MOW and as a result any direct cutting is now going to put a lot of otherwise unemployable highly paid people onto the benefit and building resentment. However there could be a number of initiatives implemented next term that improve efficiency and indirectly reduce some workforces.
  
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  December 10, 2025 2:32pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360911278/black-caps-v-west-indies-all-you-need-know-about-second-test-wellington

Looks as though the Black Caps are getting their excuses in early.
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December 10, 2025 8:58am
- pdm
  
  I am not convinced that, even allowing for injuries, that we are getting the best available X1 on the park.
  
  We lack a quality spinner yet Ajaz Patel plays and excels in Plunket shield. It is not so long ago when he took firstly 10 wickets in an innings and shortly after bowled NZ to a series win over India. There are those that say he has no success in NZ but, has he been given a decent go – he may well have bowled the WI out the other day because he is a wicket taker.
  
  Batting order with Hay at 6 looks a bit flaky too although Williamson is due a bg hundred. The tail looks long.
  
  Finally a bit of advice from a fellow in swing (club and sub association) bowler to Foulkes – you are bowling too short with the new ball. Pitch it up a bit and you will get more wickets – I do wish I could have swung the ball at the pace he does though with a four piece ball.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:08am
  - MCōs
    
    Glen Phillips has taken the same number of wickets as Patel, nine, in the Plunket Shield this year in one less games; for what it’s worth.
    This time last year at the Basin 3/40 wickets went to spinners.
    
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    December 10, 2025 9:42am
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps Bish and Chris should not have invited the West Indies to a do at Premier House.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:26am
cmm

These stroppy cars… Once again a teen dies when her car failed to negotiate a curve in the road.

Geez: pissed teen on a restricted license, carrying passengers, speeding at three times the speed limit (183kph) loses control of the vehicle causing death.

Colour me surprised!

Who in their right mind lets a teen get this out of control? Who allows them to drive around in a Toyota Mark X high performance vehicle with over 200HP under the hood and a top speed of over 180kph?

The Coroner seems to think that more public education might help. I disagree. Every driver with half a brain already knows what the law is and adhering to the law would have prevented this death.

The real problem is the sense of entitlement among some people to think that they can do what the hell they want.

I am generally against nanny-state intrusions, but I would be OK with some of the rules that Australia has restricting vehicles that restricted drivers can use.

No restricted driver has any place behind the wheel of a car more powerful than a normally aspirated 1400 – under 100 HP.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/coroner-nelson-teen-driver-tielyr-ayrton-killed-in-alcohol-speed-related-crash/TGVQ6EEJY5GHHDKCRCUU2RQK4A/
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December 10, 2025 9:01am
- sirknz
  
  Right up there with a story yesterday where the coroner is suggesting banning people from accessing a dangerous bit of the coast south of Raglan because immigrants who like to go fishing there keep falling in the water and drowning.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:09am
  - MCōs
    
    You misrepresent what was actually reported on 3-December
    There have been twenty known fatalities in the last 45yrs at that point about half Asians including the two who were the subject of the report
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/coroner-wants-public-banned-from-papanui-point-after-fishermen-olson-canatoy-eric-dabalos-drown/2G5UEUFFKRDF7N4B2ILKM4PPRI/
    
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    December 10, 2025 11:48am
- I remember when
  
  Tielyr:
  Do they use names to identify those likely to run off the rails in their teens?
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:53am
- gravedodger
  
  The dreadful irony, the lights and siren she fled from were a Dog handler called to the Nelson CBD from Stoke, he only wanted to pass the [Mod – deleted].
  Had she just moved left he would have just gone on by.
  Once dog handler realised he had triggered a fleeing driver he slowed cut the lights and siren and then came upon the crash scene and assisted to get the passengers out of the burning car, The driver had suffered fatal Head injuries and died at the scene.
  
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  December 10, 2025 1:15pm
- Paulus
  
  Charles Darwin had a Theory on such as this !
  
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  December 10, 2025 2:14pm
Yvette

Eru Kapa-Kingi Tailgate-Gate
Amongst the little mysteries of life –
Who is the person that Eru Kapa-Kingi tailgated through parliament security?
If it was a Te Pāti Māori staffer that helped him get through security, that is a huge problem!
https://x.com/Suitandtie9999/status/1977874749335212176?

The incident is alleged to have occurred on Budget Day 2024 (May 30, 2024).
But the first public disclosure — the email to party members and subsequent media reporting — coincided with a moment of internal friction: the email was described as a “direct response” to earlier public criticisms by Eru Kapa-Kingi about the party’s leadership.

So there is an implication that Te Pāti Māori held onto the alleged “tailgate” involving Eru Kapa-Kingi, and subsequent abuse he is said to have uttered, and only made them public in 14 October 2025, at a time that appears tied to internal tensions in the party. And despite John Tamihere’s claim to act within tikanga, it seems a rather “Westminister” offence he accuses of Eru Kapa-Kingi.

Now political parties do this all the time it would seem, but “if it was a Te Pāti Māori staffer that helped him get through security, that is a huge problem!” –
No, not really – it is just highly ironic and perhaps defines again what “an own goal” is

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Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi was supposed to have been the person who was handed the bill, ripped it and started the haka.
“But I knew I was going to get landed with something on that day and we’ve been prepping for about a year or so,” Maipi-Clarke told The Morning Shift.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360491389/i-wasnt-meant-be-one-doing-haka-hana-rawhiti-maipi-clarke

“we’ve been prepping for about a year or so” – same with Eru Kapa-Kingi Tailgate-Gate: about 441 days, give or take 24 hours.
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December 10, 2025 9:01am
kowtow

Most recent parliamentary public gallery disruption.

Whose ‘guests’ were they ?
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December 10, 2025 9:12am
Swifty

Heard part of an interesting interview on RNZ late yesterday with Lisa Owen talking with Chris Bishop about the RMA replacement.

I thought Bishop spoke very well.

One particular exchange was decisive. Owen was quizzing Bishop on who could object to developments, when and how etc – and Bishop raised the issue of the Wanaka McDonalds planning application and how people in Auckland had been objecting and how he thought that wrong, because the development didn’t directly affect them. Under the new regime, they wouldn’t be able to. Owen then raised an issue about the Public Health folk and them not being able to object to the McDonalds on public health grounds. At this point Bishop became quite animated, saying that’s what’s so wrong with the current system, that public health matters shouldn’t be part of the consenting process.

By all means have national conversations about fast food and health, the merits of multinational food companies etc, but not at and for each development consent application. It just epitomises what’s wrong with the current system and why it’s so slow, complex, risky and costly etc.

I thought it was a very good point, and he made it well.
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December 10, 2025 9:24am
- BeaB
  
  Corin Dann just dreadful this morning on RNZ he asked Chris Bishop about private property rights and public good and, when Bishop said private property rights were a priority, he accused him of not supporting the public good. Then he raved on about stuff like erosion that isn’t even in the RMA. When Bishop had given him real life examples, he asked for real life examples.
  Then he suggested buyers should do ‘due diligence’ to avoid heritage zones etc when even I could see the RMA is dealing with restrictions placed on private property after someone had bought a house or whatever.
  It was childish, superficial and deliberately combative.
  Had he done any preparation at all? He is about to become the new RNZ business editor. God help us.
  
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  December 10, 2025 9:50am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, good points BeaB.
    
    Owen touched on this last night, and, again, Bishop responded very well.
    
    At the moment, politicians can make less or regulations which supposedly benefit the public but the costs of which fall in private property owners. And of course the politician pays no price at all.
    
    I think it absolutely correct, proper and right, that if the community, through its politicians, makes law or regulation changes to benefit society, then the community should bear the coats, not a few private individuals.
    
    If ‘society’ wishes to slap a heritage classification on a building to preserve it for societies benefit, or slap a protection order on some land for the same reasons, and the value of the building or land falls as a consequence then society should bear that cost. It is quite unfair that the building or landowner bears that cost alone.
    
    Not only is this right and proper, it will I hope have a tremendous negative effect on politicians mucking around in these matters willy nilly, now knowing that their actions will hit potential voters in the wallet.
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:32am
    - Swifty
      
      *politicians can make laws or regulations
      
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      December 10, 2025 11:13am
  - Kevin
    
    Yes, as you say.
    “I just want to be clear in the philosophy – … ( in the style of the BBC virago interviewing Jordan Peterson) ‘so you’re saying’…” by Mr C Dan, who then interrupts repeatedly, won’t take answers given, doesn’t listen.
    Gosh those who want their Soviet regulation unfettered and free sure do hate it when they get regulated. V pleasant to enrage thwarted Soviet kindergarten teachers in spirit.
    
    This was good dialogue, for purposes I favour. Chris Bishop did well. Sensible people can hear who is rational and who is the flaky one tending to hysteria. Or pretending to.
    
    More of this please. Perhaps both N Willis and R Richardson can do it , although I remember Ms Richardson, thrilling though it was, exciting the semi hysterical to savagery. Weak wobblers who aren’t around the issues then lean towards the ostentatiously emoting, which when it comes down to it, sometimes turns out as a democratic loss. Even though the policy is correct appropriate and doable.
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:51am
  - pdm
    
    But, but, but!!!
    
    I am sure I saw Corin Dann yesterday or the day before with some award he had one for the quality of his interviewing.
    
    How can that be?
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:53am
    - BeaB
      
      He won because the bar is set so low now even a poorly educated lightweight like Corin Dann is regarded as a worthy successor to the great Bill Toft.
      Aren’t we lucky we live in the age of the internet with instant access to the world’s greatest minds, writers and commentators.
      Imagine relying on RNZ and Corin Dann to nourish our minds!
      
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      December 10, 2025 11:51am
  - Paulus
    
    Have always thought the opposite when Dann comes on or writes – he has never been right yet !
    
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    December 10, 2025 2:20pm
- sirknz
  
  Don’t worry, Stuff is taking charge on this sort of thing and is running an interview with Don McGlashin about why he called Bishop a dickhead at some music awards show earlier this year.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:11am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Why do the media revere dickheads who may be fantastic artists or practitioners of their chosen artistic craft but actually are not imbued with any greater intelligence or insights than anyone else ?.
    
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    December 10, 2025 11:14am
  - AitchW
    
    Why, oh why do the media rush to interview people who walk, talk, sing, hit or kick a ball, or paint pretty pictures for a living and report their inane ideology so breathlessly as if their opinion matters so much more than that of those of us who work for a living.
    McGlashin is just a musician.
    They may as well interview the guy pumping gas at BP, his opinion is just as valid.
    
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    December 10, 2025 12:43pm
  - Paulus
    
    Who is McGlashin please – really ?
    
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    December 10, 2025 2:20pm
- MCōs
  
  If the people of Wanaka want a bloody McDonalds – up to them. Personally I detest those American junk food outlets being out there on display cheapening what is/was a great scenic part of NZ
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:11am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    I hate to break it to you but there are a lot of other junk food places and bars on the waterfront at Wanaka, arguably a much more scenic spot than where the Maca’s was going.
    
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    December 10, 2025 10:53am
- Paulus
  
  As soon as Lisa Owen comes on with her whiny spiteful voice I turn off.
  Another trying one of the specials !
  Watch out Tova.
  
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  December 10, 2025 2:18pm
Rusty

In light of what happened to this innocent victim of a knife attack who lost his life– could AT transport start trialing having security personnel on their buses?

They must have an idea on the routes and times in Auckland where trouble frequently occurs on their buses.
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December 10, 2025 9:44am
- Swifty
  
  In all the decades I’ve commuted by car, never once have I been stabbed.
  
  Or killed.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:18am
  - MCōs
    
    You’re far far more likely to die in a car accident than on a bus by any means, don’t you think?
    
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    December 10, 2025 11:07am
    - Swifty
      
      Lady Luck is clearly on my side in that case MCos because in all those years commuting by car I have lived to tell the tale!
      
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      December 10, 2025 11:10am
- I remember when
  
  Not arguing against the sensible control of guns in New Zealand, but, an awful lot of people seems to be dying without them being a factor.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:30am
- greybeard
  
  What is really required is the implementation of the death penalty for such crimes.
  
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  December 10, 2025 11:37am
  - RichardF
    
    If your dog is a menace and attacks someone the council will destroy it. We let people commit crime after crime because we are so caring and tolerant. The west’s inability to deal with difficult human problems is partly why there’s so much societal decay. Rough sleepers should not be allowed to sleep on Queen Street. Ship them to a tent city far away. People who stab people on buses should be locked away for life. Or hanged.
    
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    December 10, 2025 7:27pm
BeaB

Almost as bad as that wittering Ingrid Hipkiss. Two busy senior MPs, the Finance Minister and the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, have given their valuable time to be on the RNZ panel. What does Ingrid want to know? What they are giving their kids’ teachers for Xmas presents.
Apart from a handmade card being quite sufficient, this is the kind of trivia better suited to a lifestyle programme that we could all avoid, rather than the flagship news programme of our state broadcaster.
Do we even have a Minister of Broadcasting?
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December 10, 2025 9:56am
- pdm
  
  BeaB – the National Party’s leading ditherer Paul Goldsmith is in charge of Broadcasting.
  
  I say bring back Melissa Lee.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:56am
- Ehlana
  
  I believe they have given their kids’ teachers pay rises which will put 80% on over $100k p.a. with not even the concession of moving teacher only days out of the school term.
  
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  December 10, 2025 2:08pm
I remember when

Te Maruata hui sets direction for new triennium: Breaking Views.
“Te Maruata is the national committee of Maori elected members within LGNZ, operating as a Maori advisory group to provide guidance and support on Maori issues in local government.
Over 90 elected members from across New Zealand gathered in Wellington recently for the first Te Maruata hui of the new triennium, as LGNZ’s Te Maruata network continues to grow in record numbers.”

No details of how ‘elected’ is defined or why/how their network ‘continues to grow.’
I vaguely remember when it was thought that online meetings would mean reduced costs in future.
When?
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December 10, 2025 10:22am
- pdm
  
  Maybe they paid for their own fares, accommodation, meals and drinks.
  
  Just a random (okay wildly random) thought.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:58am
- Paulus
  
  Nepotism perhaps ?
  Plus Koha for attendance,.
  Someone has gotta pay – not Maori.
  
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  December 10, 2025 2:23pm
I remember when

11 Billion lost in Covid fraud: BBC.
UK Treasury paid people’s wages.
Total cost of intervention 373 Bn.
Fraud and error cost to the Taxpayer 10.9 Bn.
No enough done to prevent it.
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December 10, 2025 10:25am
- AitchW
  
  How many billions did Ardern, Robertson, and Orr hand out that were never accounted for?
  Where did all the money from the covid fund go?
  
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  December 10, 2025 12:10pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    A good question. Which KBers did you think might have an answer …. 🙂
    
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    December 10, 2025 12:41pm
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.treasury.govt.nz/information-and-services/nz-economy/covid-19-economic-response
    
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    December 10, 2025 12:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    Was suggested that as much as $44 billion is still unaccounted for.
    But look at the many new very epensive electrics cars and mobiles and Caravans currently. on the roads and the dealers yards.
    
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    December 10, 2025 2:25pm
I remember when

First in was ‘Climate Control.
Then we tried Covid restrictions.
Must be time to try installing a workable Social Media ban for under-16s.
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December 10, 2025 10:34am
imalwaysright

Its surprising that the mainstream media seem to have been neutered, by a lawyers letter, from reporting on Willie Jackson and the MUMA problems.

There’s no court injunction or other judicial restriction, so what is stopping them from reporting the truth about a sitting MP and a publically funded entity?

Unless the lawyers letter is an excuse to not report on or investigate an issue that appears to involve many from the Left wing of politics.

An arrangement of convenience perhaps, or as we common people call it, a conspiracy?
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December 10, 2025 10:38am
imalwaysright

No feedback so far from the abused and tortured babies and toddlers to whom the Children’s Commissioner, Dr Claire, wrote an online letter telling them she cares…
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December 10, 2025 11:00am
- Ghost
  
  She is trying to do something to get people involved in ending abuse, what are you doing to try stop it?
  
  For the record I agree with her campaign to get adults to speak up and protect children. Instead of what we have where some close down and protect the abusers, the killers.
  
  https://www.dearchildren.co.nz/
  
  Let us know about your campaign to tackle child abuse and murder
  
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  December 10, 2025 12:17pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    “She is trying to do something to get people involved in ending abuse.”
    
    No, she is indulging in an excercise in constructed futility.
    
    That a [Mod – abuse deleted]types up some trite crap addressed to babies and infants in itself is just taking the piss and the ultimate insult to those little defenseless children who have been murdered.
    
    She should resign for this self promoting stunt.
    
    [Mod – abuse deleted]
    
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    December 10, 2025 12:47pm
    - Ghost
      
      So that is a no, you aren’t doing anything about the child abuse and murder but having your usual whinge about someone that is. She’s trying to get people to step up and do something
      
      Don’t come on this blog and talk about child abuse and murder when all you want to do is attack a campaign trying to actually do something.
      
      I hope people get behind this campaign and report abuse, instead of being abusive towards it
      
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      December 10, 2025 3:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        a campaign trying to actually do something
        
        But is it really doing anything?
        
        Do you ever wonder what the Office of the Children’s Commissioner – with an annual budget of $11.5 million and 36 full time staff (83 percent female with three quarters earning in excess of $100,000) – does?
        
        https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-hollow-gesture-replaces-real-action
        
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        December 10, 2025 6:54pm
      - Mike
        
        Good question. Which individuals and organizations are actually doing the most to prevent child abuse?
        
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        December 10, 2025 7:11pm
      - Ghost
        
        Better than doing nothing., like most people on this blog who complain about the homicide rate and child abuse amongst Māori and don’t do a damn thing but complain about it. If this campaign has one person ring up and get help for a child, then it is a success.
        
        But this is kiwiblog, where people bitch about the abuse and killing then bitch about people trying to do something about it. Hell, even the people who have marched against the abuse have done more than some on this blog who do nothing but vomit their racial prejudice
        
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        December 10, 2025 7:46pm
Jack5

I thought Kiwiblog would be abuzz over changes under the Arms Bill, just introduced to Parliament.

Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee says the bill includes 50 policy changes.

One, for example, introduces offences that affect 3D gun making. These include:

– Possession of firearms without serial numbers;

– Possession of files or blueprints with the intent to unlawfully manufacture arms items.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/arms-bill-introduced-deliver-better-firearms-law

The detailed explanation of proposals under the bill:

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2025-11/20251110%20Arms%20Bill%20-%20Explainer%20-%20Final%20Version%20v2.pdf
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December 10, 2025 11:33am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  Didn’t live up to the hype did it. Could have just amended the existing legislation.
  
  +ACT agreed to disagree that the register should go so it stays, they “didn’t want to die in a ditch” over a pre election bottom line. Ok.
  +Semi autos still banned, they were always going to keep the status quo there.
  +Numerous fiddly small changes – more confusion and slight goal post shifting, more offenses yay.
  +Anti gunners very happy with the ministers bill, it could have been written by them.
  
  McKee has been played by her coalition partners I don’t doubt her own good intentions.
  Will see how many firearms owners move their vote since ACT didn’t enforce its bottom line and now seems in lock step with NZ first in being anti recreation fishermen and supporting Shane Jones opening of a commercial marlin fishery.
  Hunters and fishers are a sizable voting bloc if they get pissed off enough and a better option.
  
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  December 10, 2025 2:46pm
Gravelroad

Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ Inc https://coranz.org.nz/department-of-conservation-guilty-of-shocking-animal-cruelty/
What do people think of this?
Ok or not ok?
Animal cruelty, but justified?
If a deer farmer treated animals like this – not ok.
DoC doing it, great?
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December 10, 2025 11:49am
- Don Beckett
  
  Agree. Back in the 1960’s I did a lot of deerstalking with 2 mates in the Rotoehu & other forests , and sometimes further afield – Tarawera, Motu etc.
  In the forestry areas where one had to get a permit, they were often closed down for 3 months so that 1080 could be dropped – giving wild animals – pigs, dear & goats a slow painful death – often lingering for more than 2 days, and bird life was seriously affected.
  When the forests were opened, they then got the cullers in for a few weeks. When it was re-opened for hunters, the forest stank for months with rotting carcasses – the deer cullers did not retrieve the carcase for meat, which is what we & probably around 40 other hunters would do. A sad waste.
  
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  December 10, 2025 12:10pm
  - Ehlana
    
    What was the logic for using 1080 rather than hunters? Were the wild pigs, dear and goats somehow unsafe for eating? If not, it seems a waste of good meat.
    
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    December 10, 2025 2:11pm
    - Swifty
      
      Cost.
      
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      December 10, 2025 4:18pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The only cost to the govt. were when they paid the deer cullers, who were allowed to spotlight all through the bush tracks. They cleaned up most of the remaining animals that 1080 never got – but you will never get that last pregnant hind or female possum etc.
        I think the hunters, if they were rostered could have done a good job of cleaning up any overpopulated areas and maintained nature’s balance. But deer, as a grazing animal would eat a lot of the regenerating native bush.
        The other target for 1080 were possums which were much worse & multiplied much more rapidly. And possums killed fully grown trees – the deer tended to keep the bush relatively open & reduced fire hazard to a degree.
        
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        December 10, 2025 4:29pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        The “painful death” thing is of course offset to some extent by the odd gutshot animal that staggers off to die someplace ….
        
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        December 10, 2025 4:59pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        The cullers didn’t impinge on rats or stoats either. Each of which had an impact on bird life. Until someone comes up with something better 1080 will always be with us.
        
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        December 10, 2025 5:09pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      A lot changed in the late 1960’s with the opening of game processing plants that paid good money for deer, pig & goat carcasses – guts out, head & hocks off. They even placed chillers at convenient places near good hunting areas so that the hunters didn’t have to leave their posie. And helicopters began to be used, particularly in the higher altitude clear areas.
      
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      December 10, 2025 4:23pm
cmm

This Peggy Burrowswoman just doesn’t know how to shut up.

Perhaps she is too used to gaslighting her way out of trouble?

Hint for the future: Next time you screw up, own it and apologise and move on. I doubt that will happen. I’ll bet she just doubles down again.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360912331/investigation-finds-no-wider-food-safety-issue-haeata-community-campus
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December 10, 2025 12:24pm
- Ian
  
  Yes, she will double down in her internal investigation due on Friday. Maybe at the same time she can double down on her school’s staff jaunt to Queenstown – $18,000 I think, including personal expenditure paid for by you and me…
  
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  December 10, 2025 1:30pm
- AitchW
  
  Peggy will try to lie her way out of this, just like she’s trying to lie her way out of the corruption in the 18k Queenstown sight seeing trip.
  Her days are numbered.
  
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  December 10, 2025 1:31pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360912331/investigation-finds-no-wider-food-safety-issue-haeata-community-campus

Remember how quickly the media blamed the food providers, and, by association, David Seymour?

But of course, they are in no way, biased….
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December 10, 2025 12:25pm
- BeaB
  
  Surely RNZ will never dare run another sensationalist campaign against school lunches after this fiasco – which it played a major part in, whipping up hysteria and gleefully trying to pin it all on David Seymour. Who reacted with facts and reasonableness.
  
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  December 10, 2025 1:47pm
  - KH
    
    Peggy Burrow to eat humble pie?
    David Seymour is dreaming if he thinks Peggy Burrows will admit she is wrong. She does not have that capacity.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360912331/investigation-finds-no-wider-food-safety-issue-haeata-community-campus
    
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    December 10, 2025 3:58pm
cmm

NZ cop arrests vandals in UK.

When he’s back in NZ can we please have him on the beat?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waikato-police-officer-tackles-fruit-crumble-protest-at-london-crown-jewels/X7KIEGNM4VFZTLA2AQUX4IYTR4/
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December 10, 2025 12:27pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Diet Hard
  
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  December 10, 2025 1:30pm
Swifty

This stinks to high heaven.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/10-12-2025/did-nzs-most-brazen-electoral-fraud-just-take-place-in-papatoetoe

The numbers are highly revealing, in my view.
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December 10, 2025 12:28pm
- Ghost
  
  There is a petition that might interest you
  
  Inquiry into foreign interference in the New Zealand Sikh community
  
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  December 10, 2025 12:34pm
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    Thanks.
    
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    December 10, 2025 1:13pm
cmm

What happened to a (maybe mythical) historical artifact lost 300 years ago? Sux to be a culture with no written language and no way to record things…

Forgetting what happened to a substantial artifact just 300 years ago must surely bring doubt on claims that Maori can recall their whakapapa from 40 or more generations ago. No doubt “our truth” and historical facts diverge somewhat.

The descriptions of pre-colonial warfare, and the need for defensive pa, really do put to rest any notion of Maori being peaceful people who coexisted with eachother until the white mofo turned up and wrecked everything.

Truth is a bit different – the white colonials brought peace and prosperity as never seen in Maori history.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/auckland/06-12-2025/hunting-for-the-ancient-slab-of-pounamu-lost-in-an-auckland-cave
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December 10, 2025 2:34pm
- greybeard
  
  One would have to be astronomically credulous to believe that maori , for 800 years, employed a system of Chinese Whispers to record their history, life, culture, etc., and that in 1840 or thereabouts all those things were true.
  I say – rubbish.
  
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  December 10, 2025 4:35pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Finders, keepers, eh
  
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  December 10, 2025 8:13pm
Waipuk

Have you guys been following Williegate and what has been happening with his wife at zMUMA

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17sT4BPJ3X/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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December 10, 2025 3:00pm
cmm

These stories of a driver killing others rather irks me.

The way I see it, everyone that willingly climbed into that car are equally responsible – not just the driver. The common cause doctrine should apply.

The driver didn’t kill the others. They all killed themselves.

If that driver had not driven, they would have all willingly jumped into another vehicle driven by another drugged up person or would have driven themselves.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/norton-sowerby-sentenced-on-three-counts-of-manslaughter-after-driving-across-hamilton-train-tracks-killing-his-friends/UN7BQIKEURHRPLTGSH4CA7ET3Y/
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December 10, 2025 3:02pm
Gravelroad

Anyone else watching “the dancing Tick” bowling at the Basin Reserve?
4/30
He’s a cool dude.
And even Wellington looks ok – albeit rather down at heel though, when they pan the cameras round.
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December 10, 2025 4:31pm
- greybeard
  
  I think those drone views are fantastic ! Great weather, pohutukawas, what is not to like ?
  
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  December 10, 2025 4:42pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Update : Blair Tickner just carried off on a stretcher after fielding mishap.
  Shoulder injury.
  
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  December 10, 2025 5:05pm
waikatosinger

My phone updated and I’ve just spent an hour trying to turn off all the AI and spyware stuff that google reenables every time you update. It is now very difficult to turn this all off, and in fact it is becoming pretty clear that you can’t turn it off – you can only make it go silent. Google will still spy on you – it just pretends that it doesn’t. And all this stuff is now so deeply rooted into the phone that you can’t get rid of it.

The only real fix seems to be to install something like graphene OS which unfortunately only runs on certain phones and not on the one I have. Graphene is the degoogled and secure version of android that France and the EU have just attempted to ban because they claim only criminals would use it

Having an AI track you constantly, watch your every move, listen in to your every conversation, and report on your thoughts and attitudes back to home base; yeah – obviously only a criminal would object to that! I can remember back in the day when we lost our shit over tracking cookies. They are not even trying to hide how evil they are these days.
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December 10, 2025 5:46pm
- Ghost
  
  I was annoyed a few months back with a Samsung update that took away the power button and made it an ai button. Great update, the battery drain is huge, the phone overheats.
  
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  December 10, 2025 6:00pm
  - rouppe
    
    Able to be turned off.
    
    https://youtu.be/MjNcWtqJT-8?si=vmHkP-dtjoAeuwRp
    
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    December 10, 2025 6:07pm
    - Ghost
      
      Weird, I went into there when I installed the update and power off wasn’t there, it was just google or bixby. Thanks, that fixes one problem with the phone.
      
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      December 10, 2025 6:35pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Waikatosinger, you are one of the few that has woken up.
  
  Yes we now live in a very fucked up dystopia which benefits a tiny minority while screwing over the vast majority.
  
  Privacy is now hard. Very hard, thanks to the aforementioned f ckw ts.
  
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  December 10, 2025 10:01pm
Jack5

Radio New Zealand’s awaited annual report for its latest financial year is out. The quick eyebrow raises will come from the salary list: 19 staff earning $200,000 or more a year, with the head honcho salary in the bracket $580,000 to $589,999. In all, 178 staff, or as RNZ calls them, kaimahi, earned $100,000 or more. Cash paid to staff totalled $44.6 million, up from the previous year’s $39.8 million.

RNZ reported a loss of $886,000 (softened by a $442,000 tax benefit) for the June 30 year. This compares with a profit of $7.4 million the previous year. Revenue, about 95 per cent from the Government, was down 1.5 per cent at $75.5 million.

However, a $33.4 million revaluation allows RNZ to report a bottom-line result of a $32.4 million gain, compared with $2.9 million gain the previous year. Page 102 of the result indicates $34 million in revaluation of RNZ-owned land accounts for the surge in reported asset value.

Get the report at the link that follows. It’s 178 pages long, but the numbers begin at page 71:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/assets/cms_uploads/000/000/522/RNZ-annual-report-2024-25.pdf
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