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Notsofast

A couple of interesting points.
1. Erica Stanford stopped using Twitter/X shortly after the branding change July 2023.
2. Ladbrokes has been blocked in New Zealand from yesterday.

We are heading for restricted access to global information is my conclusion. I hope the FSU checks this.
Ladbrokes is a useful source for political polling, and other activities etc without necessarily betting.
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August 12, 2026 8:08am
- lastmanstanding
  
  A divided team is a lossing team.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:04am
  - Damocles11
    
    And if the team unites behind a new leader? What then?
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:20am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  I wonder if Ladbrokes has stopped the service to New Zealand? I just checked and I can’t even defeat the block by using a VPN. So that usually happens when the provider has invested serious effort in the regional block.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:06am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Ladbrokes seem to have odds on the election only.
    PM Hipkins 47%
    PM Luxon 14%
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:08am
    - Yabster
      
      really? I would take those odds- no way Hipkins can be our next PM- the polls have shown that -they have no real mmp partners except the moronic Greens.
      
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      August 12, 2026 9:23am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I think it shows that they consider Luxon very unlikely to be National leader at the election.
        
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        August 12, 2026 9:38am
      - R
        
        And maybe Winston if the baubles are large enough. Despite his protestations yesterday.
        The sand in the hour glass is slipping away for Winston.
        
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        August 12, 2026 10:29am
  - Notsofast
    
    I like to follow the American odds, and chatgpt was able to confirm the latest data
    Vance 4/1
    Newsome 6/1
    Rubio 6/1
    Ocasio Cortez 7/1
    Ossof 7/1
    The rest nowhere.
    
    Was Ladbrokes requested to block NZ to protect our TAB? Our public service managers taking control of our independence of thought and access to information?
    I don’t like any part of it.
    Ladbrokes must have been coerced to lose a small part of their business and profits, and we are kept in the dark by these thugs.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:49am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      I just looked it up. There are no thugs involved. The government passed a law to ban offshore betting in New Zealand. Led by Winston Peters.
      
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      August 12, 2026 11:03am
      - Notsofast
        
        Thanks, Ladbrokes is an important website for the curious.
        Fortunately chatgpt can access the information.
        Why can this happen with no debate?
        
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        August 12, 2026 11:14am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Some VPNs are just blacklisted outright so you will have to go a bit off the beaten path to find one that works. I tried using TOR and while the page loaded it didn’t load anything else which means they are blacklisting TOR nodes as well.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:39am
- Notsofast
  
  Correction, Stanford posted to X after nearly 3 years on the Indian Free trade deal, nothing since.
  X is good for the coalition and its supporters.
  
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  August 12, 2026 12:04pm
- Sacha
  
  I have never used Twitter or X. I’m wondering why someone stopping to use it is s matter of interest.
  
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  August 12, 2026 2:11pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Same sacha.
    It seems it’s a bubble used by Media and those with a limited world outlook. IMHO.
    
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    August 12, 2026 3:45pm
kowtow

Fool me once …….

I see Pakistan has announced , for the 15th time , an Iran deal is close.
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August 12, 2026 8:13am
- Simon
  
  Saudi done a nuke deal with Pakistan. US retreat from Gulf.
  
  Iran backed by China. Iran has got this.
  
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  August 12, 2026 8:54am
- G152
  
  The word ‘close’ has a missing ‘D’
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:25am
gorse

The media have got what they wanted. National appearing as in disarray just before the elections. Almost no room on various news websites for real news, all filled up with articles on PM Luxon.

I hope that in spite of them the day will be ours in November.
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August 12, 2026 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  NZME ,Du Plessis Allan and Coughlan have been very much involved .
  Without them this would have no legs.
  
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  August 12, 2026 8:32am
  - RoboRob
    
    Are you sure it wasn’t …. [Mod- give it a break]
    
    Lets be serious here. The media didn’t create this situation Luxon did. The media simply reported on itn their job. Even friend to National, Mike Hosking, is reporting that this is driven by the back benchers.
    
    It might be nice to blame the media but this one isn’t on them.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:43am
    - RoboRob
      
      Hi Mod. The first line of my post was a reference to the continued conspiracy theories that seem to have infected the left and right of politics. I consider this whole ‘the media is causing the ructions in National’ line to be a similar thing. Any thing that goes wrong for ‘my team’ is the medias fault.
      
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      August 12, 2026 10:05am
    - kowtow
      
      In the UK it’s called “briefing” , I believe ,
      If Mps didn’t have their own pet ‘trusted’ contacts in the media then it couldn’t happen.
      
      Dissaffected MPs in the Nat caucus have been at this for ages , and all through the opposition years .
      
      As I said , if those MPs didn’t have ‘friends” in the media these constant coup attempts would have no legs.
      
      We’re almost worse than some African or South American banana republic.
      
      These MPs who’re only interested in their own placings on some list or other should be ashamed of themselves , putting themselves ahead of the country’s interests so close to so crucial an election.
      
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      August 12, 2026 12:44pm
- MCōs
  
  The commentators on this blog constantly derides the leadership of Mr Luxon. Same people turn around and grizzle about the media doing the same thing.
  
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  August 12, 2026 8:59am
  - Yabster
    
    You do love a generalisation Mcos- only some commentators it shld say…
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:24am
    - MCōs
      
      It was meant to be a generalization
      I shouldn’t have used the definite article
      
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      August 12, 2026 1:37pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    “The commentators on this blog constantly deride the leadership of Mr Luxon.”
    
    Clearly some of his Caucus think the same.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:39am
  - Jethrod
    
    I agree Mcos, there is at least 2 Liemore shills between here and the top of today’s General Discussion, maybe more. One of them I’ve reckoned is just a Labour list candidate trying to justify his position.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:12am
- kowtow
  
  In today’s Herald next to a very uncomplimentary cartoon of a beat up , crippled Luxon with one foot in a bucket, the other heavily bandaged is a list of 14 “gaffes , speculation and apologies “
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:05am
  - Prince
    
    The Herald cartoons are always anti-Luxon. There is no diversity there.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:21am
    - nathie
      
      And didn’t the Herald cartoonist Rod Emmerson portray John Key with a stereotypical crooked nose? Even though he didn’t have one? If so is that anti-semitism?
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/emmersons-view-the-key-years/GSA6H6BNEV4PER2BFA3PWGLH44/
      
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      August 12, 2026 9:47am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Left wing sponsored manipulation and electioneering by the media.
    End of story.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:34am
  - RoboRob
    
    Gave up on the biased cartoons years ago. However you description of todays cartoon sounds like an appropriate cartoon for the current situation.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Why waste your money on the so called media – they are consistently biased anyway.
    
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    August 12, 2026 12:42pm
- R
  
  The only significant outcome from this attempted disabling of the National Party and PM Luxon is going to be all the egg on the faces of the MEDIA protagonists.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:35am
  - RoboRob
    
    Do you really think the media is driving this or is it just another nice excuse? Did the media organise an urgent caucus meeting today, cancel media engagements yesterday and drag the National MPs to Wellington?
    
    There are unhappy people in the National caucus, thats what triggered this. They were unhappy because of recent leadership gaffs, which are a continuation of previous leadership gaffs.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:48am
    - Gravelroad
      
      RoboRob-
      Correct me if I am wrong, but previous comments here by you indicate you are an ACT supporter?
      Yet you seem intent on bringing down the National Party leadership and perhaps the party itself.
      Where would that leave ACT?
      Out of government for a very long time – just another minor party on the sidelines.
      The socialists don’t like ACT- do they?
      
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      August 12, 2026 10:26am
      - RoboRob
        
        Yup I am an Act supporter currently, was a Nat supporter.
        
        If you look at my comments above I am not saying whether Luxon should stay or go, although my views are well known, I am simply saying the current leadership issue IS NOT the medias doing. I dont understand why people here cant see that.
        
        Yes I want National back in, I want them strong and I want the on the right of politics. I just think that the current National party isn’t going to achieve that under current leadership.
        
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        August 12, 2026 10:55am
    - KKNZ2025
      
      I didn’t vote for him or them however if I was Luxon I’d give National a Final Warning.
      
      He shouldn’t / doesn’t need to put up with this. The Nat white ants have clearly forgotten the dysfunctional basket case he took over. He has also demonstrated exceptional leadership in herding both the Nats & the Coalition cats into a coherent Parliamentary government.
      
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      August 12, 2026 10:48am
    - Sacha
      
      There have always been unhappy people in any government caucus of whatever stripe. Usually of the junior/ambitious/impatient genres. They are nearly middle-aged, and thought that politics would be an easy gig, only to discover that they had joined a group where they would have to earn the approval of the old hands, and work at dull jobs, just like ordinary life.
      The only flaw is that they can’t be given the DCM.
      
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      August 12, 2026 2:25pm
- Scooter
  
  National have got themselves into this mess because from the start they have gotten into bed with the enemy the MSM. And maybe arrogance or bad advice that Luxon has not gone on The Platform or RCR, both leaning right wing which I thought was Nationals base, or have the lost their way? All these so called coup attempts are just being driven by the MSM who 1 want Labour and free money back and 2 want a crisis to sell to increase readership.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:47am
- leoj
  
  The media are complicit, for sure.
  
  The Nats back benchers are the stirrers but they are merely reflecting on the fact that Luxon is lacking in spine and they will lose their jobs because of that.
  
  The buck stops with the leader who has failed to take a stand on many issues and has also failed to undo much of Labour’s poor record including the huge increase in public servants.
  
  Dismissing the first principle of the TPB was a huge error by Luxon. I hope it bites him in the bum in November. The maori wave needs to stop and Luxon has done SFA.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:10am
Taipan Pete

Et tu, Erica?
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August 12, 2026 8:18am
- AitchW
  
  If Stanford was one of the agitators it puts Luxon in a real bind.
  She’s an outstanding minister of education. Does he sack her and appoint a lesser minister? Or does he leave her there till the election? But then what?
  
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  August 12, 2026 2:07pm
rouppe

Good win by the All Blacks this morning.

Poor game plan from National back benchers.
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August 12, 2026 8:19am
- nathie
  
  “Poor game plan from National back benchers”.
  
  Well I suppose you could say they have found the “winning formula” for National (and therefore the Coalition) to lose the next election to Labour and the looney left! /s
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:06am
- nathie
  
  Oh and when the TPU poll had National and Luxon starting to go upwards (and Labour and Hipkins going downwards), what a brilliant time to mount a coup! Such geniuses they should be running the show! /s
  
  Wouldn’t be surprised if these so-called geniuses help tank the next poll for National (because the public don’t like infighting and self-interest, when there are more important issues like the economy, jobs (and red-tape holding development back) to fix).
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:50am
imalwaysright

National support will go up.

The people who left because of Luxon will come back.
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August 12, 2026 8:22am
- EssenX
  
  I’m willing to make a $100 donation to a charity and a servo pie that if Stanford is chosen this morning National will cruise to victory.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:15am
  - leoj
    
    Luxon will survive.
    Who is the recipient of your donation?
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:13am
- Yabster
  
  depends on who may replace him with- Stanford is on the liberal side of National- she will do even less about the Maorification of NZ, Mitchell is ok but can’t get the better of a dim Ginny on the weekly Hosk show, and Bishop looks like a slob and also on the liberal side- so your statement to be frank is bs in my opinion- in fact I think its more likely to drive more votes to ACT.
  And if you think the MSM will let up just because there’s a change in leadership then your dreaming…
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:30am
  - wsk12345
    
    I suspect a change to stanford will result in more votes from woman centrists who don’t want to cote for Chipkins, but a loss of votes to ACT, from conservative men. Maybe thats a good result? Idk, i think it’s the political equivalent to men who cant just “keep it in their pants”. Politicians who can’t put NZ ahead of themselves.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:49am
  - R
    
    Yesterday, your last sentence is correct. The rest is ideological media drivel.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:35am
- pdm
  
  Perhaps ima.
  
  Then again you might just be the last of the optimists.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:37am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Maybe pdm,
    My reasoning is that there seem to be many who have withdrawn their support for National because of Luxon.
    I’m one.
    Its hard to quantify how many there are, and it also depends on the clarity and purpose of the new leader.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:49am
- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  This is one of those “be careful what you wish for, it might come true” moments.
  
  Willis and Stanford are both more woke than Luxon.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:57am
  - RoboRob
    
    Apparently they are on the far left of the Nats. Don’t know if they are more woke then Luxon, never really know where he stands.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:08am
  - Yabster
    
    yep- very woke Standford is even more pro Maori- studied it at uni for ffs- talk about a useless degree. Willis is way too lenient when it comes to cuts esp to the public service.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:16am
    - artemisia
      
      Agree public service cuts could have been more severe. However …. there has been quite a lot of redirecting staff towards front line roles. And unemployed / unemployable public servants have time and inclination to make a lot of negative noise.
      
      If the current coalition is returned in November I’d expect to see some fast and furious action on this front.
      
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      August 12, 2026 12:45pm
Damocles11

If you can bring in a stronger and more capable leader & dump Dunning-Kruger effect poster-boy Luxon, then that’s not disarray – it’s actually improvement.
All the hand-wringing over getting rid of woke corporate flop Luxon is everything that is wrong with National. He hung his hat on an economic recovery, and it hasn’t happened, so the buck stops at the top. The guy just is not the corporate hot-shot that he thinks he is. He hasn’t connected with the public, is prone to gaffes, and hasn’t got National out of the early 30’s. If the caucus believes there is someone in their midst that can do much better, bring it on. Rather than hiding behind the couch and accepting utter mediocrity and woeful leadership, National supporters should have been braying for better. Relish the chance that someone will come to the fore that can do better from the party than what we’ve experienced over the last 3 years.
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August 12, 2026 8:35am
- Ghost
  
  gee, why is our economy not recovering, could it have anything to do with a man overseas who put tariffs on us, and then wrecked global economy with his war. Problem is some of you have had it in for him for a long, so it really doesn’t matter what he does or says you have your daily little beat off over him. The difference between the left and the right I the left unites when in government, hell even in opposition, the right rip each party apart and cannibalise.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:08am
  - EssenX
    
    I think you’re right. And it is unfair. But part of his job is to communicate and he is a poor communicator. If we are going to criticise Ardern and Kamala Harris for their word salads then Luxon is up there too with his corporate speak. Look at Trump – speaks plainly, short sentences, people understand (Key was similar). I saw Carney mentioned in another post yesterday and while I don’t agree with his politics he has been a far more effective leader than Luxon who’d fit right in alongside Trudeau.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:21am
  - Damocles11
    
    I understand why the economy is struggling, but you missed my point: an economic recovery was to be Luxons banner achievement. He’s thumbed his nose at many of the things National was elected to fix, and instead focussed on the economy, and a recovery hasn’t happened. That narrow focus was not my doing or his critics doing, that was his doing.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:24am
    - Ghost
      
      no, your point is stupid. The situation changed, right up until the tariffs the economy was starting to turn around, the war completely ended any chance. IT would be moronic to claim he hasn’t done this when the reason that the economy not recovering is out of the hands of anyone in NZ. He has done many of the things they were elected to do, but some of you have actually invented more to what they set out to do because it doesn’t fit in with what you wrongly think they said they would do, and forget that some things were changed because of the 3 way deals. Seriously the best assets the left have is some of you who just make things up because you don’t like the guy
      
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      August 12, 2026 9:35am
    - pdm
      
      I agree Damocles.
      
      Luxon’s focus on the economy while ignoring most of the rest of his party’s pre 2023 election mandate has not been good enough.
      
      Now he is paying the price for his tunnel vision.
      
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      August 12, 2026 9:40am
    - cmm (semi-retired edition)
      
      Damocles has a strong point there.
      
      No matter whether the outcomes are his fault or not, Luxon solidly nailed his colours to the mast of “growth, growth, growth”
      
      Annual growth through the Luxon period has been very low on average compared to the previous 10 years (ie. what people will be using as the benchmark).
      
      If the “growth, growth, growth” did not happen then this backfires in his face – whether it is his fault or not.
      
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      August 12, 2026 10:04am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Damocles- “If you can bring in a stronger and more capable leader”
        There isnt one in the Nats lineup.
        They are all the same useless wokesters.
        
        You guys should accept that National wants the soft left middle ground because to win the Nats need to capture as much of that as possible.
        Leave the Treaty, Co Governance etc stuff for Act and NZF to force National to do.
        They could do that during the Coalition Agreement negotiations.
        You are all barking at the wrong tree.
        
        Frankly I’m starting to think that many here are really pro left stooges who want the Coalition to lose.
        Either that or they cant see how stupid it is to mimic what happened in the UK.
        Changing leaders and then that leader not changing anything will mean even more pissed off people. And that is what you will get with Bishop, Stanford et al.
        
        Me- Im unhappy about the lack of progress but I will still hold my nose Seat Vote to Nat and Party Vote to Act.
        
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        August 12, 2026 10:46am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Red
        Seat Vote to Nat and Party Vote to Act
        
        An honest question here – I don’t understand the people who proudly proclaim that is what they are doing. As if it helps elect a National government.
        
        You are smart enough to know that the only possible side effect of your electorate vote to Nat/party to ACT will be to help knock off a Nat list candidate and help to elect some ACT listie. Won’t make any difference to who gets to be gummint ….
        
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        August 12, 2026 1:07pm
    - Paulus
      
      You expect that everything that the Coalition found was able to be completed in three years.
      Sadly fantasy
      Tr4ee has bee many good changes but will not be reported.
      It is the fisrt time a colaition Government has been formed and that in itsell with three different leaders has ben good but not entirely sucessful nor may never will be.
      I was against Luxon but the more I see that has been acheved will bring back my votes in November despite the so called biased left wing media who actually do not care a damn but getting their names forward first.
      
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      August 12, 2026 12:58pm
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    It’s because the citizens are paying extra money to the banks from the high interest rates and have none left over , all because Luxons mob didn’t reduce the public service instead.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:29am
  - Simon
    
    “why is our economy not recovering,”
    
    Because the low interest rate party after GFC is over. China thing is over, regulation and govt bureaucracy is larger.
    
    NZ is a debtor nation without much going for it and as a country has to carry too much. Low wage immigration, Maorification, net zero, bloated welfare ( non Nat Super) and a massive, grossly inefficient govt sector.
    
    Too much for the private sector to carry. There is just too much baggage.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:07am
    - EssenX
      
      I think this might be the first time I have agreed with and upticked you, Simon! Sensible post.
      
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      August 12, 2026 11:13am
    - Paulus
      
      Why Low wage Immigration when we have the second highest Minimum Wage in the OECD ?
      
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      August 12, 2026 1:00pm
- Yabster
  
  sure who is that someone your vaguely mention?
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:32am
- imalwaysright
  
  “The guy just is not the corporate hot-shot that he thinks he is. ”
  
  He came in to run “NZ Inc” and found half of the Board, most of his employees, and two thirds of his shareholders disagree with him.
  
  Compare that with running Airnz or Unilever, where he was within teams of common purpose and cooperative mindset, and you can understand his failure.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:30am
kowtow

Very good article about food production and prices in today’s Herald by Dr J Rowarth , a regular guest on The Country.

Power ,fuel, fertiliser , transport as well as rates and interest rates.

Much of this is down to govt ( climate) policies , taxes and regulations.
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August 12, 2026 8:36am
- Damocles11
  
  Yes. Woke climate change disciple Luxon has been an utter disappointment on this front.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ive got bad news for you
    His colleagues are the same
    Lol
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:35am
- Gravelroad
  
  @kt-
  Get ready for a lot more of this if Labour/Greens/TOP win the election,
  The farmers can go to a “citizens assembly” meeting and make their complaints there.
  After which extra anti-farming policies will be announced.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:39am
- R
  
  Climate(policies?), taxes, and regulations; all inherited by the COALITION.
  Haven’t read anyone on KB suggest that the country reduce the enormous WELFARE Budget that the coalition also inherited.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:43am
  - kowtow
    
    Sorry R but national are wedded to climate nonsense , for “trade” .
    
    See the rude treatment meted out to Maureen Pugh re same.
    
    To Maorifiaction “nothing I like in the bill”
    
    And to keeping an oversized public service
    
    As to law and order , as DG points out ; the sentencing act needs fixing. Nothing there.
    
    We actually need disruptors , not “better managers”.
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:32pm
grumpy

Why I can never vote for ACT
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16039063/christian-grandmother-maid-canada-religioon-euthanized.html
Already trying to extend the scope of legal murder I’m New Zealand…..
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August 12, 2026 8:37am
- Yvette
  
  In Canada
  The family of 83-year-old Canadian Brigitte “GG” Stegemann alleges she was euthanized against her will and religious beliefs, on July 10, 2026, at a long-term care home in Belleville, Ontario, under Canada’s Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) program, her relatives claim she lacked cognitive capacity and did not give final verbal consent.
  
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  August 12, 2026 8:45am
  - wsk12345
    
    I don’t understand how the grandmother was allowed to make this decision if the granddaughter had EPoA and it had been enacted.
    
    That aside, the Canadian MAID is out of control. Mentally ill, autistic, youth, military with PTSD are routinely offered it in response to pretty much anything. I’m still voting ACT though – sure they put up the legislation but they didn’t force us to vote for the right.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:52am
- Damocles11
  
  Haven’t heard anything like this happening here. We probably have stricter parameters than the Canadians.
  I understand that some religious people won’t vote for ACT because of a democratic referendum that the majority of New Zealanders supported, and I think that is a great pity. Effectively it’s punishing the only genuine right wing party we have for giving people a democratic choice.
  
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  August 12, 2026 8:59am
  - Taieri
    
    I understand that some religious people won’t vote for ACT because of a democratic referendum that the majority of New Zealanders supported
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    I’m an atheist and I voted against.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:27am
    - Damocles11
      
      Righto. And Uncle Tom Cobbley says he voted in favour of it. So did Joe Bloggs.
      The majority supported it.
      
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      August 12, 2026 9:55am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Me too. Doctors killing people is a bad idea regardless of religion.
      
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      August 12, 2026 10:30am
    - OlderChas
      
      Taiere -So am I – devout despite years of religious training – and I voted for it.
      
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      August 12, 2026 6:06pm
  - Local Miller
    
    ACT is not right wing, it is Libertarian, which is VERY different to right wing although often portrayed as or confused with right wing.
    There is no real right of center party in NZ now. NZF would be the closest followed by ACT. Unfortunately, Winston has made NZF very unpopular and some of ACT’s liberal policies are off putting to a (many) Christians.
    I came to NZ in 2006, and in the leadup to the 2008 elections attended an ACT meeting at the Devonport Rose Centre. At that time I was happy to vote ACT. Not so happy now, but not happy with any other party either!
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:14am
  - KKNZ2025
    
    Ghost, perhaps you should reflect on who’s actually “making **** up
    
    “Long-running public polling by Horizon Research shows that support for assisted dying in New Zealand has consistently remained high at roughly 63% to 70% over the past two decades. This high level of public backing culminated in the 2020 binding referendum, where 65.2% of voters chose to legalize the practice under the End of Life Choice Act.”
    
    https://share.google/aimode/k4iM4FKdM60kCTMT7
    
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    August 12, 2026 11:56am
  - wsk12345
    
    There was a referendum if u recall, where the MAJORITY voted for voluntary euthanasia.
    
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    August 12, 2026 12:22pm
- Nikola Donatello
  
  It is not murder.
  
  It is not compulsory.
  
  I am catholic and it is not a course supported by the catholic faith. However I don’t seek to impose my faith driven beliefs on others.
  
  Yes it is a regime that could be abused. That does not mean that the solution is to get rid of it.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:25am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nikola: Well said…(I am am a seriously lapsed Catholic)
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:33am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      For me, I have no confidence in the New Zealand health system to deliver high standard palliative care. I recently witnessed a woman die a slow death from cancer. It was horrendous.
      
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      August 12, 2026 9:41am
      - wsk12345
        
        Agreed. Similar experience- palliative care is appalling. $2500 per week in care homes – in both I have visited the food is disgusting and the care non existent. If you don’t have family to advocate for you and provide extra edible food etc I’d keep well clear. Spend the $2500 on in home nursing if you can get it.
        
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        August 12, 2026 9:54am
      - Local Miller
        
        My sister is a doctor (retired) who specialized in palliative care towards the end of her career. As with any profession, there are good and bad doctors. From what I know of my sister, her care for my father for the short time he lived with stomach cancer and her care for my mother (over 95), my experience is that there’s excellent palliative care in NZ.
        
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        August 12, 2026 10:27am
      - Sacha
        
        I am pretty disillusioned with the state of aged care in New Zealand, too. I have heard similar reports of neglect and inhumanity in recent years.
        Whatever happened to a ‘dignified death’? Or a mercifully pain-free passing? It’s not as if morphine is an expensive drug –
        
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        August 12, 2026 2:53pm
      - crash
        
        Perhaps you might consider the services of a Hospice. There are Hospice charities operating in most parts of NZ. Palliative care and associated support services is their speciality and party state-funded with the rest from charitable fund-raising.
        
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        August 12, 2026 7:52pm
- Ra Henare
  
  So far we don’t have all the facts.
  Not even statements from the care facility or an opinion from a specialist lawyer.
  
  Just an emotionally charged statement by a granddaughter.
  
  Printed by the Daily Mail!!!
  The Daily Mail is generally rated low on reliability and high on sensationalism
  
  SO grumpy, you take this one MSM report from Canada to set your decisions on how you vote in NZ.
  Interesting thought process…
  
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  August 12, 2026 4:01pm
- Ghost
  
  So you won’t be voting for new Zealand first either since Michael Laws is standing for them. After all, he is the first mp to put forward a death with dignity bill. I guess if you don’t want to be a hypocrite and will only vote for parties that didn’t have mp’s vote in support of this legislation then your only option is to the either vote TOP or the Māori party
  
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  August 12, 2026 7:57pm
Simon

National party gated boomers = harden up small business. Gated boomers safe space think Luxon telling small business to harden up is great governance

Hard man gated boomers.
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August 12, 2026 8:58am
- EssenX
  
  I’m not a boomer and I’m not a Luxon fan. But in that regard he was right: NZ businesses need to harden up. In fact, all NZers need to harden up, stop complaining, and work out how we make the best of the situation the world is in. He expressed it poorly, and this is why he isn’t fit to be a leader of a political party, but by and large his sentiment was correct.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:24am
  - Damocles11
    
    And I wish the property and construction sector – also businesses – would stop their complaining & quit trying to skew our economy in their favour, and instead ‘just make the best of the situation the world is in.’
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:58am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  Whatever that means.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:26am
  - David George
    
    “Gated boomers – something, something – gated boomers” is Simon Says for “someone to blame for everything”. Today it’s gated boomers instead of the Jews, Simon is an equal opportunity hater.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:47am
    - Media hater
      
      Well done, David. Interpreting that effort from Simon was beyond me.
      
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      August 12, 2026 11:07am
      - OlderChas
        
        [Mod – you can stop trying to guess who you think people are, you are wrong]
        
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        August 12, 2026 6:12pm
- Yabster
  
  mate you have out done yourself this time- most of your posts are gibberish but this one takes the cake.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:33am
Northshoredoc

In Wellington today for meetings, may wander down to parliament and throw some tomatoes at the media jackals.

I really do hope that Nat/Act win the election and serve some very serious utu on government funded media during the next parliamentary term.
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August 12, 2026 8:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  Tomatoes are $12/kg.
  They will be trying to catch them…
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:15am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Sheesh. I will send some lovely tomatoes over from the Kingdom.
    Here they are under $3 kg.
    Somebody must be gouging Kiwis!!!
    
    Maybe it’s because we have a surplus of sunshine and warmth and don’t need hothouses???
    
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    August 12, 2026 4:06pm
    - OlderChas
      
      Yep – tomatoes used to go off my shopping list if they went above $3 per kilo. Extended that a few years ago to above $5, now it is if above $7! I grew my own for many years, but they are a quite “high maintenance” crop, and when they are prolific in my garden they are cheap as chips in the supermarkets. (But mine always tasted better lol)
      
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      August 12, 2026 6:16pm
- EssenX
  
  Haha. My wife is a doc and last night she was asking the same thing: when is TVNZ being sold?
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:25am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Perhaps I am your wife?
    
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    August 12, 2026 5:24pm
    - OlderChas
      
      Ha ha! I was once nursed by the wife of one of NZ’s most well known docs, and she was lovely (but took no shit from a (at times) mouthy ex sailor lol)
      
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      August 12, 2026 6:18pm
- leoj
  
  National’s record suggests that they don’t have the guts to make hard decisions such as selling TVNZ, RNZ and cutting the public service back to 2017 levels.
  
  The Nats have proven themselves weak.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:20am
- MCōs
  
  The remaining media would just love for there to be less competition
  But if first a government came for the state broadcasters maybe they would then come for them
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:29pm
Damocles11

Unbelievably naive and stupid from Grigg. Luxon wasn’t anointed by God to be our PM and he doesn’t have the job for life.
‘Minister for Women Nicola Grigg says she is “absolutely” backing Christopher Luxon, and does not believe Erica Stanford is capable of leading the National Party or being prime minister.
“She’s a good friend of mine, but she’s not a prime minister,” Grigg told Stuff, after landing in Wellington.
She said Chris Penk, rumoured to be Stanford’s “numbers man”, had never called her to get support for a leadership change.
She reiterated that Stanford was not prime minister material.
“I don’t believe she’s a prime minister. She’s a good friend of mine, but I don’t believe she’s a prime minister,” Grigg said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361017190/live-christopher-luxon-leadership-vote
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August 12, 2026 9:01am
- Taieri
  
  Unbelievably naive and stupid from Grigg
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  Why? Because she supports the current leader? Would that make everyone who supports him also unbelievably “naive” and “stupid”?
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:29am
  - Damocles11
    
    You think it’s a great idea to say a senior minister ‘is not PM material’? Unbelievable.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:59am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      Maybe she is pretty comfortable in knowing she wont ever report as a Minister to her friend Erica asPM.
      
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      August 12, 2026 10:34am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  She was asked for her opinion and gave it, just because it’s not in accordance with yours doesn’t mean she is the naive and stupid one.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:31am
- David Garrett
  
  Damocles: Well Grigg will be one who won’t be a minister under Stanford…
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:35am
  - imalwaysright
    
    DG
    Do you think Stanford would be so shallow?
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:59am
- Yabster
  
  Is she not allowed to have an opinion in your world mate?- get over yourself.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:35am
  - Damocles11
    
    Not very tactful or in the best interests of the party to say a senior minister ‘is not PM material’. Surprised you and others cannot see that. You can imagine Labour having a field-day with that comment were Stanford to become PM.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:03am
    - Taieri
      
      Not very tactful or in the best interests of the party to say a senior minister ‘is not PM material’
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      Would it be tactful and in the best interests of the party if she was to say publicly that Erica Stanford would be a great prime minister?
      
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      August 12, 2026 11:31am
      - Ghost
        
        Some people are butt hurt because they want her as PM, they are detached from reality
        
        Good interviews with Seymour today. This governmebt has passed more legislation etc than any in the last 20 to 30 years. Without luxon act wouldn’t of been able to implement so much of their policy
        
        Guess David doesn’t read the people on this blog who think otherwise. Who to believe Seymour or the people here, easy choice
        
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        August 12, 2026 11:38am
      - Taieri
        
        Some people are butt hurt because they want her as PM, they are detached from reality
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        I don’t really have any preferences; Luxon is far from an ideal PM, but…
        In what way would Stanford be a better PM than Luxon?
        Because she is a woman?
        Because she is better looking?
        Because she has more hair?
        
        Would she be better at managing the economy?
        Would she be better at managing the country’s finances?
        Would she be better at managing the sprawling “public” service?
        Would she be better at managing health system?
        Would she be better at managing the societal issues?
        
        Would she be better at handling the media? Probably so, but is that enough to become a prime minister?
        
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        August 12, 2026 12:47pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, she wouldn’t. In her own ministry she has been having problems that she has not addressed, or been able to address. She is not a leader, but for now that story is over, Luxon remains.
        
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        August 12, 2026 12:53pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        To Ghost.
        You applaud the statement.
        
        This governmebt has passed more legislation etc than any in the last 20 to 30 years.!!!
        
        I see that as a weakness.
        They should get out of people’s lives.!!!
        
        New legislation (unless it is legislation to repeal laws) is generally more controlling and restrictive on residents’ lives.
        
        Bring on small government and more freedom to the people.
        
        MAybe we need someone with “”balls””
        ie Argentina springs to mind
        
        Between December 2023 and the end of 2025, the national public sector workforce shrank by over 63,000 positions (an 18.4% reduction in national public employment).
        The direct central administration saw the sharpest cuts, with staffing reduced by over 30%
        
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        August 12, 2026 4:16pm
    - Sacha
      
      But what if she’s right?
      A senior minister who fulfils their role well is a treasure in that role.
      Remember the Peter Principle?
      
      “The Peter principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to “a level of respective incompetence”: employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another.[1][2].”
      (From Wikipedia)
      
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      August 12, 2026 3:02pm
  - EssenX
    
    She’s allowed to have an opinion, but she expressed it poorly reflecting incredibly bad judgment. Let’s say hypothetically Stanford is PM by lunchtime. Here’s Labour’s press release: “PM’s Own Friends Don’t Think She’s Up for the Job”.
    
    When I start looking at these National MPs I can only wonder – do they pay attention to their media training at all?
    
    If anything, this shows we have way too many MPs and/or the wrong people becoming MPs if they don’t know how to answer basic trap questions.
    
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    August 12, 2026 11:19am
  - Isobar
    
    I suspect Nationals situation is caused by this. People sharing their own opinions.
    
    Not smart at all and just confirms the division in caucus publicly.
    
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    August 12, 2026 11:50am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  What a short sighted idiot. These people really do live in a bubble.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:36am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Bradbury reckons the comments from Griggs allude to skeletons in Stanfords closet.
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/first-blow-against-erica-and-penk-is-the-only-real-leader-option/
    Dunno
    
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    August 12, 2026 12:29pm
- Ghost
  
  perhaps you can send her a list of answers that are acceptable by you. only thing wrong with her answer is it sets off the delicate petals who are too precious for reality
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:41am
  - Damocles11
    
    Another one who can’t see the damage that a comment such as Griggs does. It’s an absolute gift to Labour.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:04am
    - Ghost
      
      no, it’s not, but you make up as much as you need to justify another stupid comment. Go back and tell your labour masters you are failing
      
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      August 12, 2026 10:16am
      - Damocles11
        
        You think it’s a great idea to say that someone in your own party who could potentially become the PM ‘is not PM material’. 🥴🤦🏻‍♂️
        
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        August 12, 2026 10:26am
- pdm
  
  I thought what Grigg said was entirely appropriate given the situation as it was when she was questioned.
  
  Sensible and to the point.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:46am
  - Damocles11
    
    It’s sensible to say a senior minister is ‘not PM material’….🥴🤦🏻‍♂️
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:05am
  - The Real Tony
    
    Its about the only time I’ve nodded when Grigg was saying anything.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:25am
artemisia

Seems some agreement has been reached between Uber and its drivers. Potentially wide implications for the ‘gig’ economy.

The deal establishes a framework for Uber to start making individual financial offers to these drivers. Once a driver accepts their offer, it would settle their claims on a full and final basis.

According to Workers First Union – “In New Zealand, there is more and more exploitative ‘gig’ work that erodes workers’ rights.”

Interesting to see what offers are made, and which are accepted. Confidential if accepted, but if not?

https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=182413
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August 12, 2026 9:01am
Nūhaka Native

Over in the USA.

“The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) has essentially admitted that their acclaimed “Standards of Care, Version 8” (SOC-8) is not the definitive standard of care that it is conventionally treated as in its motion to dismiss the Federal Trade Commission (FTC)’s lawsuit – co-sponsored by a group of states – dated July 28, 2022. In WPATH’s own words, they have merely been presenting SOC-8 as their free-speech opinion: a source to reference in a field which they now characterise as “medical and scientific uncertainty.”

WPATH’s filing matters because it describes SOC-8 as non binding, opinion based guidance in an unsettled field, making it harder for doctors to argue they “followed WPATH” and were therefore acting ‘appropriately’.

Meanwhile, U.S. litigation involving minors and former minors is growing. The $2 million Fox Varian verdict in New York was reported as the first U.S. malpractice verdict involving gender-transition surgery on a minor. Chloe Cole’s lawsuit against Kaiser and her doctors remains pending, while the Texas Supreme Court allowed Soren Aldaco’s detransitioner lawsuit to proceed. Together, these cases point to increasing legal scrutiny of ‘gender’ treatment of minors.

Given the U.S. legal challenges to WPATH/SOC-8, what could this mean for New Zealand’s Ministry of Health and ACC? Could it strengthen the case for the Government’s more cautious approach to puberty blockers and gender-related care for minors, and lead ACC to take a closer look at clinical judgment, informed consent and treatment related injuries?

New Zealand’s cautious government approach looks justified as concern grows overseas about the evidence and WPATH’s non-binding guidance. The Government moved to restrict new puberty-blocker prescriptions, but the court’s decision to pause the ban during the judicial review raises the question of whether the courts have been too soft, and whether the Government’s original precautionary approach was actually the wiser one.

https://williamaferguson.substack.com/p/wpath-just-told-a-court-its-standards
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August 12, 2026 9:06am
- Notsofast
  
  Iatrogenic medicine is the worst.
  You tell people it’s available and they think of nothing else.
  A complete ban on wrong sex procedures and medicine would be a long term benefit to these children and midlife cross dressers.
  It’s the latter, such as “Rachel” Levine who need the former to experiment on.
  It’s ending badly.
  And no, I don’t need to be a doctor to declare the above to be true.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:40am
  - Sacha
    
    Iatrogenesis.
    Not commonly used today.
    Look it up 🙂
    
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    August 12, 2026 3:19pm
Southern Raider

A trans Green MP in the UK has stated “rape exists on a spectrum” and there has been a “demonisation of rape”.

This is the kind of people that the Green political movement is enabling globally.
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August 12, 2026 9:07am
- Yvette
  
  Southern Raider – This is the kind of people that the Green political movement is enabling globally.
  
  while here …
  A Green Waitangi Tribunal
  Green Party would reinstate historical recommendations enabling the Tribunal to make binding or direct recommendations regarding privately-held land wrongfully alienated from Māori, opposies National-led coalition legislative actions and reviews that seek to restrict or narrow the focus of Tribunal inquiries. Rejecting attempts to curtail kaupapa (topic-based) inquiries and broader accountability mechanisms tied to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the Greens ropose broader redress frameworks, including revisiting past settlements and addressing contemporary policy conflicts highlighted by urgent tribunal findings.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Are there not some 3,500 recommendations of the Waitangi Tribunal awaiting enaction by the Government of the day, as soon as possible.
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:08pm
    - rouppe
      
      There might be some 3500 recommendations.
      
      They’re not waiting for anything.
      
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      August 12, 2026 1:56pm
- waikatosinger
  
  It isn’t completely wrong. The same physical act can be rape in some circumstances and not in another depending on what is in the minds of the people involved. I know it is unpopular on both ends of the political spectrum to say so, but rape is a very variable crime covering a wide range of quite different things.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:27am
  - Yabster
    
    it’s mostly wrong though isn’t it- and any dickhead that states there’s been a “demonisation of rape” shouldn’t be in any countries MP.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:39am
  - rouppe
    
    It is completely wrong.
    
    He didn’t say “sexual intercourse exists on a spectrum” he said “rape exists on a spectrum”.
    
    Rape is sexual intercourse/connection without consent. It actually isn’t the same physical act by both parties at all.
    
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    August 12, 2026 2:00pm
- Nikola Donatello
  
  I thought that it was binary. “yes please” or “no”.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:28am
- David George
  
  Even the word “rape” is “problematic”. The rapey illegal immigrant is now an “undocumented love maker”*
  * Gad Saad
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:57am
MCōs

This is the second time the PM has felt the need to shore up his leadership
I expect he’ll come through like a plane landing in Wellington in a severe gale, but how long before another storm hits the capital.
That could be when Mr Luxon has to sit down with Winston and Seymour to negotiate a new coalition agreement from a weakened, but still dominant position.
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August 12, 2026 9:12am
- Damocles11
  
  Why does it absolutely have to be Luxon? He’s like Infantino at this point. Just let someone else have a go. We deserve stronger leadership. National supporters should demand better leadership. I refuse to accept Luxon is as good as it gets.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:30am
  - rouppe
    
    Fine. But now is not the time.
    
    If the score is 21-19 and the game clock is at 79 minutes and you have a penalty in front of the sticks, you don’t go for the line out and try option. You take the 3 and get the win.
    
    You go over tactics and team selection later.
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:54pm
- David Garrett
  
  MCos: I think it’s a very bad idea, but I think the Nats will have a new leader by the end of the day
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:37am
  - Yabster
    
    and you were so sure David…. got that really wrong huh.
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:44pm
infused

Bishop is not PM material. He comes off slimy.

Erica is the best bet for now, and she seems like someone who will grow into the role.

Luxon should have gone 12 months ago.

If nothing happens today, National are going to poll low 20s.
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August 12, 2026 9:25am
- infused
  
  It’s funny the downvotes. You guys understand normal National voters don’t like Luxon right?
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:52am
  - The Real Tony
    
    Why do you focus on who likes or dislikes Luxon? That, ultimately, is irrelevant. The reason this is so shameful is the timing. Less than 90 days from an election borders on criminal when the polls are so tight. Were National 20 points behind, you could argue it doesn’t really make a difference – but when everything is so tight, you want to engage in destabilisation and alienation of the ever important centre voters? Its political maddness.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:34am
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      Its relevant if you want to win lol. Jesus who are you guys.
      
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      August 12, 2026 12:42pm
Hugh Jarse

I want the resignations from Cabinet of Penk, Bishop and Stanford and anyone else in National who thinks their personal ambition is larger than the role they are meant to be focussed on, on Luxons desk by this afternoon.
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August 12, 2026 9:27am
- pdm
  
  Will not happen HJ.
  
  They will retain their positions because one thing Luxon is reasonably, perhaps even very good, at is putting Ministers in the right Portfolios.
  
  Goldsmith and Watts might be exceptions to that but generally he has picked the right people for the right jobs.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:52am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    I know but you don’t keep rust in the car just because it’s heaps prop the car up in the short term.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:30am
- RoboRob
  
  ‘Penk, Bishop and Stanford’, almost all the governments top performing MPs. Not sure that would be a sound move. I guess Mitchel, Goldsmith and Watts could take over their portfolios.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:58am
- imalwaysright
  
  Luxon will have to ask directions to his desk this afternoon…
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:00am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Wrong….again
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:15pm
    - Yabster
      
      yep lots of “commentators” were very wrong- and some may have to change their names as they are a bit like false advertising,,,
      
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      August 12, 2026 1:39pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Clearly half of the National Caucus agree with me….
        
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        August 12, 2026 6:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        half… clearly you are making things up again.
        
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        August 12, 2026 6:58pm
- Crafty
  
  And then there is no one left who can get stuff done. National are now stuffed
  
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  August 12, 2026 11:15am
- rouppe
  
  Interestingly, Bishop was at the press conference.
  
  Stanford wasn’t, nor I think Penk.
  
  If she were the instigator then she does deserve a punishment, though given what she’s done in Education that would be a loss.
  
  My pick is that this close to the election nothing will change right now, but there’ll be a cabinet shuffle if National get back into government
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:48pm
  - rouppe
    
    Correction. Erica Stanford was at the presser.
    
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    August 12, 2026 2:48pm
Bullion

Orange dumb dumb has been listening to brain worm dumb dumb and now the US has a dumb dumb vaccine schedule.
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August 12, 2026 9:31am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  What a stupid comment.
  
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  August 12, 2026 12:46pm
Kaiser Wilhelm

Regardless of the outcome this morning, National has lost my vote. It’s all simply too messy. Standford’s star has definitely dimmed through her association with this hairbrained scheme. 🤦
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August 12, 2026 9:32am
- Yabster
  
  Lost your vote to who?
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:40am
  - infused
    
    Act, just like last time.
    
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    August 12, 2026 9:59am
  - Jethrod
    
    A modern day Hitler?
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:28am
- Gravelroad
  
  Good on you Kaiser.
  Vote for the green socialists then. But don’t come on here afterwards and moan about having to pay more tax, welfare support, regulation costs and race-based reparations.
  Because that will be the result.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:52am
  - leoj
    
    Where does Kaiser indicate that he will vote Labour/Green?
    
    We will welcome him to ACT.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:25am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  She might be the agent provocateur rather than a mere association but I agree with your comment.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:59am
imalwaysright

A friend works at a kindy.
The union rep turns up and tells the staff to ask all the parents who they are voting for and to make sure it is Labour.

The subtext seems to be the assumption that the staff will automatically also be voting Labour.
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August 12, 2026 9:34am
- RoboRob
  
  Not much of an assumption. I say that having a wife who was in the Kindy game. She has received calls from the union reminding her to vote and telling her who she should be voting for (Labour).
  
  I hear the PSA is still putting out their ‘change the government’ posters around government agencies. Roche is fighting them on this but at the moment the campaign continues.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:01am
  - imalwaysright
    
    At an ECE conference the year before last they were shown Luxon and Seymour on the big screen and were led in booing and jeering by the organisers.
    And cheering for Hipkins etc.
    
    There was virtually no discussion of early child education, it was an unrestrained Labour political meeting.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:07am
  - leoj
    
    All the more reason that the weak Nats should have cut hard the public service staffing levels.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:27am
  - The Real Tony
    
    Well, they’ve disappeared from where I work. So Roche is having some effect.
    
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    August 12, 2026 10:38am
    - RoboRob
      
      Good to hear. My comments re PSA were based on a news item on the radio last night.
      
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      August 12, 2026 11:42am
  - R
    
    ‘putting out their…..’ and therin lies the problem relating to the constant comments on KB that PM LUXON isn’t fringe thr job he was elected for. Proof, if any is required; that public servant resistance to change and particularly change of service ideology is the toot cause of slow improvements in bureacracy
    
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    August 12, 2026 11:10am
- Grizz
  
  Why does Labour think they are the Authority on Education? When they were last in power, many kids stopped going. Even the intelligent ones could not see the benefit in what they are being taught. They are only there for the benefit of the self interest of unions, not of the children and parents.
  
  I will strongly consider voting for any party that will move teacher only days to school holiday times. for the 12 weeks when kids are not at school there is still plenty of time for annual leave and professional development.
  
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  August 12, 2026 10:17am
grumpy

The Government’s game plan has always been for Luxon to hold the swidgy centre and for the action to move to NZF and ACT. It was/is a winning formula that could only be defeated by bringing in it’s media allies to sow unease with Luxon…..and the weak kneed back benchers fell for it.
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- pdm
  
  On the moner re ACT grumpy bu,t really it has been mainly noise from Peters and Jones in NZFirst and a bit of good stuff from Costello and Patterson both of whom appearing to have a work ethic.
  
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  August 12, 2026 9:55am
  - R
    
    Very true pdm.
    
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    August 12, 2026 11:12am
Damocles11

The blinkered ‘it must be Luxon’ thinking is understandable when you understand how the corporate world works. Everyone rallies behind the top dog no matter how incompetent he is. Slavish devotion is the order of the day.
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August 12, 2026 10:07am
- rouppe
  
  When I was in the corporate world, staff surveys were anonymous.
  
  I made some very pointed remarks about leadership in those surveys.
  
  Some years the survey results weren’t even published.
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:39pm
Damocles11

It is not smart or sensible for a National MP to say that a senior National minister is ‘not PM material’. It is a grave insult and career limiting, and an absolute gift to the opposition. I am not sure how Grigg and Stanford can work together going forward.
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August 12, 2026 10:10am
- David Garrett
  
  Damocles: Yes, I thought that very odd too…especially when Grigg claimed to be a “good friend” of Stanford…as the old cliche has it, with friends like her, who needs enemies?
  
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  August 12, 2026 11:03am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Again Damocles, having a second go with a duplicate of your 9.01 post, smacks of desperation ?
  
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  August 12, 2026 11:04am
- david
  
  If true, then a very strange remark. Why “if true” the media have supplied an ample sufficiency of evidence that there is a better than even chance that what she said has been misinterpreted ( probably deliberately malicious, possibly ignorantly accidental) with meaning and intent inserted in the process of creating the (shock, horror) story.
  
  I think we have seen plenty of examples of media lies being repeated enough for them to be accepted as fact. Hard to counter in the fast moving space like an electro campaign.
  
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  August 12, 2026 2:28pm
BananaLlama

Some commentators acting like a complete clown show right now demanding to know who commentators are voting for and telling them what party to vote for. Disrespectful when they can’t even tell us who will be leading their party in another days time.
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August 12, 2026 10:21am
- Jack5
  
  The old refuse to deny con …
  
  It’s a cheap tabloid trick: X refuses to deny they are doing Y or thinking Y.
  
  The tricksters in our present case are either funded fully by taxpayers or are subsidised by them.
  
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  August 12, 2026 11:19am
Southern Raider

Only way forward if they do decide to dump Luxon is to put Erica in as PM and give her time to get Mitchell over the line as deputy

Getting Mitchell on board will provide some form of unity and also solidify the conservative side of the party.

Just listening to ZB talkback and a lot of Aucklanders calling in that they won’t vote National if Bishop is PM or Deputy
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August 12, 2026 10:54am
- David Garrett
  
  Southern: In short, they can’t just “put Erica in”. Much as I dislike the fellow, there is a good opinion piece by Andrew Geddis on Stuff this am. It sets out the rather involved process which would need to be followed to transform Stanford from the new leader of the National Party to PM.
  
  In short, before the GG accepts any such new arrangement both Peters and Seymour have to sign up for it. And you can bet your arse Peters will make a meal out of that.
  
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  August 12, 2026 11:17am
  - peterwn
    
    The minor coalition partners would need to decide whether to accept any new National leader or effectively force an early election.
    Anyway any change in National leadership at this late stage is guaranteed to hand the forthcoming election to the centre left on a plate. The National MP’s trying to force the issue are either nuts or have greatly inflated egos.
    
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    August 12, 2026 12:10pm
    - MCōs
      
      It’s not going to happen, but it’s a dangerous road for a minor coalition party to travel to force an early elect.
      
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      August 12, 2026 1:22pm
Crafty

This is a disaster for National, I don’t mind Luxon but he should have stepped down previously like Andrew Little did. He just seems to have this arrogance where he can’t see that he is not popular and never will be. It’s unfortunate but that’s politics. Little got it and he did the honourable thing. Now if he keeps the role he is a dead duck leader and I reckon the election is lost. So bloody frustrating!
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August 12, 2026 10:58am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Agree with your sentiment about this being a disaster, but why should he have stood down when he has the support of the majority of his caucus ?
  
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  August 12, 2026 11:00am
  - David Garrett
    
    Hugh: One simple reason – the level of support within the caucus the last time he tried this back in April…rumoured to be three votes in it.
    
    Margaret Thatcher was never voted our as leader of the Cons in England…but she and her advisors knew that the margin of support was too thin to be credible. Luxon obviously knows very little political history.
    
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    August 12, 2026 12:14pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      So should he stand now DG ?
      
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      August 12, 2026 12:56pm
- Jack5
  
  Lot of Leftist saboteurs have infiltrated Kiwiblog trying to block any new Centre-Right government by preaching hate against Luxon.
  
  If Luxon were dropped on the brink of the election it might let the Leftists win.
  
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  August 12, 2026 11:15am
  - Media hater
    
    Can you name this influx of saboteurs, as I haven’t noticed a bunch of new names as potential infiltrators?
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:42pm
- peterwn
  
  He would have stepped down by now if he considered another leader had a better chance of winning the election. I doubt he could identify any suitable alternative. Anyway Labour traded Andy Little for an airhead with the gift of the gab but no real understanding of running a government. She had two big pieces of luck which enabled her to survive longer than usual.
  
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  August 12, 2026 12:15pm
- kowtow
  
  I’m no fan of Luxon but he’s leading a succesful coalition that can win this election.
  
  Trying to roll him now is stupid and selfish.
  
  I hope he wins . He should then come out boxing and saying he’s here for the country , not for some MP or other who’s trying to save their place on a list.
  
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  August 12, 2026 12:52pm
David Garrett

Peter: I agree with your comments on Ardern’s succession…but Angry Andy had led Labour down to – IIRC – 17% support…pundits at the time wondered if the Labour Party would even survive. Little himself was extremely unpopular, both in the party and the wider electorate…Neither is the case with Luxon.
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August 12, 2026 12:19pm
- NK
  
  Luxon is not “extremely unpopular” I’ll give you that. But he’s not popular either.
  
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  August 12, 2026 12:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    He doesn’t have the personality that lends itself to being extremely popular or unpopular.
    NZ hasn’t had very many “extremely” popular PMs. They also tend to be “extremely” unpopular with a segment of society. Ardern, Key, Lange, Muldoon, Kirk. Luxon isn’t one of them
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:16pm
    - OlderChas
      
      You missed Clark – Palmer etc.
      
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      August 12, 2026 6:40pm
Ghost

PM about to speak, video below

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361017190/live-christopher-luxon-leadership-vote
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August 12, 2026 12:31pm
- Ghost
  
  Good, now perhaps all the negative idiots can pull their heads in and get behind this government, all three parties off it, because what follows if they don’t win will be far far worse than the nightmare of Ardern
  
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  August 12, 2026 12:53pm
infused

What a let down. You had one job to roll him.

National would have had a massive upswing if he’d gone.

You guys supporting him have just sunk National.
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August 12, 2026 12:55pm
- kowtow
  
  That’s rot.
  
  He was polling for a win last week before these disaffected MPs decided to go to the media and shot themselves in the foot.
  
  In the run up to an election!
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:19pm
- rouppe
  
  I think they would have stayed flat or had a significant drop. Because instability, causing uncertainty just before an election.
  
  What are your reasons for thinking there’d be an upswing?
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:35pm
- Ghost
  
  no, their job is to win the next election. Inventing polling numbers doesn’t win an election. Lot of people pulling numbers out of their butts over what they think such and such would get if they were the leader.
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:55pm
kowtow

He’s won.

The National Party must now examine its relationship with the South American colonels at NZME who keep running coup attempts.

ie last night HDPAllan and Coughlan were running the Walter Cronkite line “He’s lost John Key” what a pair of shit stirrers.
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August 12, 2026 12:57pm
- Ghost
  
  Those [Word would get me banned] even went to Chloe for a comment on a snap election. This has been a media hit job from the start. I would love to know who polled me a few days ago on who should replace Luxon.
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:00pm
  - rouppe
    
    Well front and centre for the media was Katie Bradford. She of “no matter what we say, no matter what we do, we just can’t move the polls”.
    
    Her and voice-mail hacking ex News of the World reporter Andrea Vance, of Peter Dunne honey trap fame, we’re the main protagonists.
    
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    August 12, 2026 1:13pm
    - kowtow
      
      Bradford is also NZME . This , as I said seems to have their fingerprints all over it.
      
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      August 12, 2026 1:16pm
    - MCōs
      
      I think you exaggerate their importance. Most NZers wouldn’t even know who they are.
      
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      August 12, 2026 1:47pm
kowtow

Jamie MCKay on the Country just now said Damian O’Connor was going round handing popcorn to the parliamentary press gallery during the wait .

What a nasty little fellow .

Hipkins needs to show some leadership ( to use a commentariat term) and tell the carpetbagger to pull his head in , hardly a good look for the “kind” pardy.
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August 12, 2026 1:14pm
- AitchW
  
  Oh I think they’ve given up any pretense of kindness.
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:54pm
rouppe

I would be very interested in how that vote went down. Was it the same as last time, when Luxon called for a confidence vote and everyone raised their hands, or did someone actually challenge?

“Unanimous support” suggests the former. In which case what a pack of cowards. That is the worst sort of cancer in a team, whispering toxic messages around and then hiding when called out on it.

The phrase “Put up, or Shut the hell up” springs to mind
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August 12, 2026 1:16pm
- MCōs
  
  I’d have to say that was about as angry as I’ve seen Christopher Luxon, usually the epitome of bland
  
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  August 12, 2026 1:40pm
pb

Regardless, the MSM becomes even more hated. Win win.
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August 12, 2026 1:27pm
cmm (semi-retired edition)

Apparently we should have inner city schools with inner city apartment living, because:
“The idea of raising a family in an apartment building is a long tradition and an expected reality of those living in Paris, London, New York, I could go on.”

Ummm, maybe if people wanted that life they would go live in those cities. Maybe people live in NZ because they want something a bit different?

I really struggle with the idea that families in NZ really want to live the the inner-city lifestyle. Sounds like a recipe for setting up inner city migrant slums.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/empty-auckland-police-station-could-serve-as-a-central-city-school/XT2FMH4ELVGLNKTCSUTXWVAPKM/
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August 12, 2026 2:11pm
cmm (semi-retired edition)

Are there really people out there that would have their kids riding around on uninsured bikes worth $4000?

I am astounded.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bike-fundraiser-for-auckland-grammar-school-students-injured-during-epsom-rampage-hits-8000-in-24-hours/3ZKLV2QXZBFYNI3GC7CTKTKAQU/
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August 12, 2026 3:42pm
- greybeard
  
  That is more than a good E-bike !
  
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  August 12, 2026 7:17pm
- Ghost
  
  it seems it is just a person trying to do something good for a group of boys who have gone through hell.
  
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  August 12, 2026 7:35pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361019400/new-poll-has-opportunity-rising-kingmaker-position
The timing of this “poll” with today’s National Party meeting is certainly fortuitous.
Or something.
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August 12, 2026 7:16pm
- Ghost
  
  What’s worse is the frame up of releasing this poll this morning during the caucus meeting.
  
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