A Labour MP on why unions wil be exempt!

April 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pm by David Farrar

This is stunning. Listen to Labour MP Shane Jones on Newstalk ZB this morning.

The host was interviewing Katherine Rich and Shane Jones on the proposed electoral law changes and restrictions on third parties. He then asked Shane Jones

“Why would you exempt Unions?”

The reply from Mr Jones:

“They’re valuable and long term supporters of ours etc”

If you do not believe me click on the link above and go to 1:40 minutes through. I mean one has to commend Mr Jones for his honest answer, but doesn’t this prove what the motivation behind these changes are – to benefit their supporters and hurt their opponents?

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74 Responses to “A Labour MP on why unions wil be exempt!”

  1. Minerva () says:

    Gold, just gold. Listen to Shane tie himself into knots over the royalty’s extension for art reselling.

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  2. Seamonkey Madness () says:

    Oh dear, its the dog-box for him.

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  3. Grant ( a new one) () says:

    And this is an individual who’s tipped to be a future Labour leader….. He might want to learn some debating skills first.

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  4. Murray () says:

    I’m calling it… time of death…

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  5. gd () says:

    Which part of conflict of interest dont these dumb arse politicans understand Do we have to spell it out in capital letters for them. You are conflicted in this matter and the principles of good governance require that you dont take part in any decision just like you at least understand you dont take part in deciding your own renumeration.

    We not they should be the deciders.Surely even the most craven Socialist supporters can understand the reasons for these long standing principles. Then again given the hopeless state of corporate governance with many directors blind to what constitutes good governance one should not be surprised.

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  6. NX () says:

    Heather – H2 – won’t be happy! She’s going all over him like flees on a mangy dog.

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  7. Tane Wilton () says:

    But David, unions will only be exempt when communicating with their members, as will companies, Federated Farmers, the Anglican Church and the Exclusive Brethren.

    What’s wrong with that, other than Shane Jones being an idiot?

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  8. David Farrar () says:

    Tane – it will depend on how wide the loophole is. Will they allow TV adverts aimed at union members. If all it allows is a private communication, then maybe not an issue.

    I think Mr Jones has nicely explained the motivation for the loophole!

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  9. Minerva () says:

    Tane Wilton, but with Labour making comments such as ‘Unions communicating with their members through full-page newspaper advertisements’ it is very concerning as to where you draw the line.

    The key point here is not Shane Jones being an idiot, it is that Shane Jones IS the idiot that’s making the decisions that clearly he has a major interest in.

    If you’re right about the exemption (and you may well be) why not give it an independent or cross-party review body with an open and transparent process?

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  10. Adolf Fiinkensein () says:

    Tane W, take the prise for Fuckwit of The Week. Companies don’t have members.

    If Labour proposed making fornication with sheep compulsory you would find a reason to justify it.

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  11. Graeme Edgeler () says:

    “with Labour making comments such as ‘Unions communicating with their members through full-page newspaper advertisements’ it is very concerning as to where you draw the line.”

    Minerva – I’d be very interested in seeing the context of this – do you have a link?

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  12. gd () says:

    Shane Jones is also a company director and doesnt understand the principle of conflict of interest Just goes to illustrate my point as to the shambles that passes for governance in this country.

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  13. David Farrar () says:

    Adolf – I rather we do not use the term f*wit here.

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  14. Captain Crab () says:

    Has he resigned from his other positions like he was told to by Helen Clark or is he still double dipping?
    How quick our lefty friends descend into blatant self interest once they have their snouts in the trough.

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  15. Neil () says:

    H1/H2 to Shane Jones: Plunk

    copyright Sonic

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  16. james cairney () says:

    Minerva, i too would like a link for that if you can.

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  17. Shout Above The Noise () says:

    It’s easy to be a pinko and show compassion by spending someone elses money.

    Notice the unwillingness of the Labour MPs to reach into their own pockets and repay the $800k of stolen public money ?

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  18. kiwi_donkey () says:

    Who knows what Labour intends. It’s been secrets, leaks and backroom deals. If only they would actually put proposals to the public, or to parliament, to allow them to be scrutinised in a proper democratic manner.

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  19. tim barclay () says:

    The Labour Party is a wholly owned subsidiary of the trade unions and not surprisingly they are seeking special privileges for them just like the medieval church before Henry VIII. But commanding 50 votes in Parliament will not get this through. Why should any other political party give the Labour Party special deals for the trade unions.

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  20. casual watcher () says:

    Shane Jones has always struck me as a being a blustering bullshit artist – this just confirms it. The level of thinking involved is very scary – constantly playing the man/woman and zero logic.

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  21. Peter S () says:

    Shane Jones sounds like the ideal candidate for next Labour leader.

    Roll on decades of political irrelevance.

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  22. sonic () says:

    “If Labour proposed making fornication with sheep compulsory you would find a reason to justify it”

    And if they banned it you would find a reason to compare Clark to Stalin for impinging on the traditional rights of ordinary kiwis.

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  23. pdm () says:

    There is something about Shane Jones that makes me shudder when he speaks. I like to think I can get on with most people, Cullen and Barker being two I have met who are quite personable despite their ideology.

    I have not met Shane Jones or Russell Fairbrother for that matter but have the same reaction to both.

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  24. Peter S () says:

    “And if they banned it you would find a reason to compare Clark to Stalin for impinging on the traditional rights of ordinary kiwis.”

    Sorry to break the news to you sonic, but it already is illegal.

    Hope that is not too much of an inconvenience.

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  25. sonic () says:

    I look forward to the protest march defending traditional Kiwi family life against Helen KKKlarKKK and her femo-fascist socialists then Peter.

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  26. burt () says:

    Peter S.

    I doubt it will be an inconvenience to sonic, he’s a Labour supporter – if he follows their example he will have no concern for the law.

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  27. Murray () says:

    I look forward to Chronic going home.

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  28. baxter () says:

    GRANT…As I listened to this pompous ass my thought was that Hone Harawira would wipe the floor with him in a debate.. Strange that the ZB news people didn’t pick up on this quote.

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  29. Peter S () says:

    Sonic,

    That was a slightly strange response.

    I am begining to think that no marches will be necessary. Labour look as if they are going into self destruct mode.

    I have never been one to use the multiK type insult. I try to be a little more humerous, subtle and inventive.

    Personally I think HC should have retired about 3 years ago, she would have been a cert to land a leading role in the first Narnia movie. ;-)

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  30. Tane Wilton () says:

    “Tane W, take the prise for Fuckwit of The Week. Companies don’t have members.”

    Yes they do, they’re called shareholders.

    And watch your language mate.

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  31. gd () says:

    Tane Right ON As we have about 230000 private companies in NZ I can just see at least some of them taking out large adverts to ‘ “communicate” with their members. And after all what is different about that and the Unions doing the same to ‘communicate” Unless of course the bastard Socialists then set a numbers limit to thwart those with fewer than X members being the size of the Unions. Wouldnt put it past the bastards. Their idea of a free democracy is vastly different from mine.

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  32. sonic () says:

    Murray, slightly off topic but could I congratulate you on creating the most pointless and boring blog comment I have ever had the misfortune to read?

    http://hittingmetalwithahammer.wordpress.com/2007/04/18/its-not-just-me/

    Given the competition that is quite an achievement.

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  33. Kimble () says:

    No, shareholders are called owners. They are NOT members. Members of a company are their emplyees if anything.

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  34. ChickenLittle () says:

    Sonic seems a little obsessed with you Murray.

    Hmmmmmm

    Wonder why?

    Is it that Frank thing?

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  35. cubit9f () says:

    I listened to quite a long part of the audio. Political funding and the Art Sales Tax.

    What an arrogant up himself Johnny come lately politican Jones is.

    He seems to talk down to everyone.

    I fear he is going to be around a long time through the MMP list so we had all better develop our listening skills for him.

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  36. Colonel Masters () says:

    From Wikipedia:

    In legal parlance, the owners of a company are normally referred to as the “members”. In a company limited by shares, this will be the shareholders. In a company limited by guarantee, this will be the guarantors.

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  37. Swiftman () says:

    Re: Sheep

    I get really into them.

    And afterwards they are sent off to the freezing works, processed, packaged and sent to the Beehive.

    Just think of that H1 when the gravy’s running down your chin.

    Love ya!

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  38. Grant ( a new one) () says:

    Baxter. He just struck me as someone who strings random words together in order to fill a void, lest silence on his part be intepreted, (probably correctly), as stupidity. Check this out: (Assuming my transcription is accurate.)

    “…at the last election there was a gross mal distribution of who would be able to get what from independant sources.” WTF?

    and

    “Now if it comes to pass that umm our friends ah informing and maintaining government, umm, can’t get their heads around it, what we’re really going to, ahh, push for though is ensuring that if dough?? continues to flow…”
    Interviewer: “Mmm”
    Jones: “..even if it is unevenly, people need to know, who are the identities? Why they’re doing it??
    Rich interrupts at this point.

    Clarity please Shane, clarity.

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  39. Murray () says:

    Then don’t read it intercoursewit.

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  40. Shout Above The Noise () says:

    “intercoursewit” – nice little loophole there Murray !

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  41. Murray () says:

    Walks like a duck, talks crap like a duck…

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  42. phil u () says:

    reason number 53 not to go near mad-muzzas’ mumblings..

    new benchmarks set in mindless self-obsessed inanity..

    not so much ‘striking metal with a hammer.’.

    more.. ‘waving a soggy bus ticket’..

    or possibly..”..having a navel-ream’..

    or maybe..seeing as mad-muzza is of a military bent..

    “..make that a naval-ream.”..eh..?

    and speaking of naval-reams..how is whale-blubber’..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  43. Fred () says:

    So yo’all can look into the future…

    In Aust. merely 19% of the private sector are union members.
    The unions are railing against the fading of the light…..while the world moves on.
    NZ will follow.

    The weasel must be on flexitime….guess I must be paying for the mendicants yet again.

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  44. David M () says:

    God – Shane Jones is a pompous dickhead

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  45. Whaleoil () says:

    Oh dear Phil, are you seriously that stupid to again make comments about me, the last time, I called you and you had to scuttle off “behind” Sonic who also similarly chicken out.

    For all of your’ and Sonics rantings about our sites you do seem to spend a great deal of time there.

    Now howz about you shut the intercourse up or as my 10 year old would say http://www.shutyabigyap.com before someone shuts it for you.

    Sonic and Phil the deal still stands..put up or shut up.

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  46. dime () says:

    “I’m calling it… time of death…”

    hahahahahhaha thats some funny shit. im gonna use that

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  47. phil u () says:

    i what..?…and what..?

    and just in case you should be in any doubt

    take yr threats…and insert them..

    (lubricant optional..)

    as my 12 year old would say…

    “..random..!..”

    and i see you are raising the next generation of whales to follow your ‘violence is the solution!’ solutions..

    eh whaley..?

    a class act..!..from a-z..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  48. wicket () says:

    Sonic seems a little obsessed with you Murray.

    I think Sonic likes Murray. Are you sure that Sonic is not a female?

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  49. phil u () says:

    basically whaleblubber..

    what this is all about..

    is that (using words/in debate) you have been key to my cullen..

    no matter what insults you have tried..

    (and you tried..eh..?..wd you like some examples..?..)

    but i have turned them on you..

    and laughed at you..(as have others..)

    basically..i have bitch-slapped you/humiliated you (intellectually)..

    and laughed (with others) at you..

    so you are forced into inarticulate violence threats..

    so..that’d be game over..!

    and you done ‘n dusted..

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  50. james cairney () says:

    “… before someone shuts it for you” what a real winner this ‘whaleoil’ is. What a baby.

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  51. Sean () says:

    I certainly don’t follow Phil U’s and Sonic leftist views but I have to agree – without out a doubt, that Murray post was one of the most pointless posts of all time.

    Oh, and as for Shane Jones, who talked him up as a fresh new talent with huge potential? Good ol left wing news? It’s all been downhill since he got in at the last election. This comment is truly a shocker. As DPF said, at least he is being honest….heh.

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  52. Zach Castles () says:

    This is typical of the Labour Party. They are corrupt and New Zealand is starting to realise it. The spin doctors and strategists within the Labour Party have lost it and the caucus is worried and does not know what to do. People are sick of complicated bureacracy and confusion which is a feature of the 5th Labour Government’s output. Shane Jones has exposed the truths of the Left’s agenda. It is only typical and is what is expected of the left. And what’s worse the greens have followed suit. They have succumbed to the bullying and interrogation of the labour party. They need to realise that people are not stupid, as their Socialist Mentors and Icons would have them belive. Good on Kiwis you’ve seen the light let’s get on with job!

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  53. james cairney () says:

    “… before someone shuts it for you” what a real winner this ‘whaleoil’ is. What a baby.

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  54. james cairney () says:

    “… before someone shuts it for you” what a real winner this ‘whaleoil’ is. What a baby.

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  55. wicket () says:

    Perhaps Sonic & Phil U do fancy both Whaleoil & Murray. May be Murray & Whaleoil are willing to give it all to both Sonic & Phil, if that’s what they want. They are begging for it.

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  56. george () says:

    Phil, have you been drinking your bong water again?

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  57. phil u () says:

    no no wicket..you’ve got it all wrong..

    mad muzza and whaleblubber already go camping together..eh..?

    and they take guns..!..(whoar..!..eh..?..)

    (what was the name of that cowboy movie..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  58. george () says:

    Whatever the name of it it didn’t do too well in Montana or Otago.

    A sequel with a couple of cow-girls might do better though.

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  59. george () says:

    Whatever the name of it it didn’t do too well in Montana or Otago.

    A sequel with a couple of cow-girls might do better though.

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  60. Whaleoil () says:

    Phool, you are right.

    Violence isn’t the answer, I got it wrong on purpose.

    My point remains you hurl homo-erotic insults from the safety of your chair and keyboard when you would fail to do so in person. I am quite willing for you to give it a try in person and then we will see how we all get on.

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  61. phil u () says:

    oh you poor sensitive flower..

    as i said..

    would you like edited highlights of what you have said of me..?

    no..?..didn’t think so..

    you can hand it out..

    but you can’t take it..eh..?

    which..by the way..

    is what makes you such an easy/worthwhile target..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  62. phil u () says:

    oh you poor sensitive flower..

    as i said..

    would you like edited highlights of what you have said of me..?

    no..?..didn’t think so..

    you (think you) can hand it out..

    but you can’t take it..eh..?

    which..by the way..

    is what makes you such an easy/worthwhile target..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  63. Ross Nixon () says:

    That’s fine that “unions” are exempt.

    I see LOTS of new unions being formed soon!
    All that you need to be incorporated are 3 members and a set of rules. ;-)

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  64. Murray () says:

    Hard to believe that with such fine minds as the likes of chronic and phool backing them up labour is making Erebus look like a three point touch down.

    Do you guys get together and practice because no one could possibly be this moronic without concerted effort.

    An orchestrated litany of gibbering drooling buffoonery.

    Note for sean: Then.don’t.read.it.intercourse.wit.

    English is your second language?

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  65. Andy Moore () says:

    Hahahah.

    good point there Ross Nixon.

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  66. Andy Moore () says:

    Hahahah.

    good point there Ross Nixon.

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  67. jon () says:

    Phil u:
    Keep up the writing style it makes it so much easier to skip over your posts.

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  68. Insolent Prick () says:

    Shane Jones, that rising star of the Labour Party.

    He actually puts his foot in his mouth almost every time he speaks. He has a habit of stringing long words together that individually make the listener think he sounds intelligent, but in the context of a sentence, make no sense at all. He is a pompous, smarmy git who has obviously taken communication lessons from Horomia.

    Yet another bloated socialist fucker who deserves a long period of opposition to get back in touch with the voters.

    Apologies for the language, DPF, but hell, anybody who reads my comments does know that I’m likely to swear anyway.

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  69. Insolent Prick () says:

    Shane Jones, that rising star of the Labour Party.

    He actually puts his foot in his mouth almost every time he speaks. He has a habit of stringing long words together that individually make the listener think he sounds intelligent, but in the context of a sentence, make no sense at all. He is a pompous, smarmy git who has obviously taken communication lessons from Horomia.

    Yet another bloated socialist fucker who deserves a long period of opposition to get back in touch with the voters.

    Apologies for the language, DPF, but hell, anybody who reads my comments does know that I’m likely to swear anyway.

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  70. Andrew Davies () says:

    You only get to see what is inside a lemon when it is squeezed. Likewise, now Labour is being squeezed they are showing their true colours.
    And it is vile.

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  71. Clint Heine () says:

    With every day that I read about the Labour party I thank god I no longer live in NZ.

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  72. dad4justice () says:

    Everyday I read about the liarbour party the reloader cranks out more shells , ooops I mean sea shells….what a cess-pit of corruption .

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  73. James Sleep () says:

    I don’t understand this. Unions do not help fund election campaigns for the Labour Party. They are just strong supporters of a socialist Government.

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  74. Clint Heine () says:

    Unions don’t support the Labour Party during elections??????

    Go back to sleep James :) Utter nonsense.

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