Labour vs Moore

August 31st, 2007 at 10:24 am by David Farrar

Labour have launched a letter writing and talkback call campaign against Mike Moore.

Criticism is not to be tolerated.

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117 Responses to “Labour vs Moore”

Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:28 am
And the National Party has never launched a letter writing and talkback campaign? Stop taking us for such fools, Dave.
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:29 am
And the National Party has never launched a letter writing and talkback campaign? Stop taking us for fools, Dave.

[DPF: Of course they have. But never to smear an ex-leader. When Bolger took upo the Chair of Kiwibank many members were outraged but there was absolutely no co-ordination of a campaign to demonise Bolger]
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:32 am
Members and front organizations must continually embarrass, discredit and degrade our critics.

When obstructionists become too irritating, label them as fascist, or Nazi, or liars…the association will, after enough repetition, become “fact” in the public mind.”

–Communist Party, Moscow Central Committee 1943

Hat tip: Redbaiter

CONSORT was the verbal straw that broke the camels back. A problems with the humps perhaps.
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Craig Ranapia (1,912) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:39 am
WTF is up with these people? It was a one day story (and to be honest, not one that really resonated ‘outside the Beltway’ as Helen likes to say). In Clark’s position I’d be putting my second-best pair of pumps firmly in the arse of the “former Labour MP and office holder” who just gave it legs for another news cycle. If there’s one sense in which the ‘Muldoonist’ tag is entirely accurate, it must be the absurd over-reaction to every slight, no matter how trivial or even illusory. And reminding people of the toxic sectarian divisions within Labour for most of the 80′s and 90′s can’t be smart either.
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Murray (8,833) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:40 am
Do have facking ADD or something Tane? Get the hell over the fact that DPF doesn’t exist for the sole purpose of attacking the national Party as decreed by her devine presence.

For once try and focus on the topic.

The lefties are once again savaging any who dare to step out of line and will eat their own young rather than actually address the issue.
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rickyjj (166) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:41 am
And the National Party has never launched a letter writing and talkback campaign? Stop taking us for fools, Dave.

I agree. You seem to be saying that if an ex-National leader launched an attack against John Key, National party members wouldn’t defend him?
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rickyjj (166) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:45 am
The lefties are once again savaging any who dare to step out of line and will eat their own young rather than actually address the issue.

A lot of readers here could do with a lot more “addressing the issue” too!

Murray how does writing stuff like “as decreed by her devine presence” address anything constructive at all?
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davemc (102) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:45 am
It was another typically deficient Compost story…

The email was written by a former Labour MP and office holder

… which didn’t even tell us who this person was.
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gd (2,286) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:46 am
Craig R But isnt wonderful how thick the Socialists and their supporters are Of course it would have been a one day wonder but now the idiots have given it oxygen so lets just sit back and watch as middle NZ gets to know the stuff that only the likes of us bloggers now and care about.

Its called pouring petrol on the fire. Lets give it a bit of a stoke.

Sonic Roger where are you????????????
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side show bob (3,660) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:46 am
Yes the fools are in total meltdown. One can only hope that when they stick the knife into each others backs they stick it in good and hard and give it a good twist.
And I very much doubt MM gives a rats toss what these morons do, the damage is done.
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:46 am
<blockquote>And the National Party has never launched a letter writing and talkback campaign? Stop taking us for fools, Dave.

I agree. </blockquote>

Er… hello? You do realise where you are don’t you? You’re taking yourselves for fools if you think David has any obligation to be neutral with regard to political parties. He’s part of the game, not the referee or the sports press.

[DPF: Of course I am not neutral. Having said that I have in August criticised John Key publicly which got reported by the Herald, praised Winston Peters (also reported by Herald), called the comments of one National MP "stupid and offensive" and this week attacked National's response to the paid parental leave issue. I am in no way "neutral" but I do follow my own views and my own conscience with my criticisms.]
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Yvette (2,428) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:47 am
Labour has launched a letter writing campaign . . .

Okay, um . . .

” We are denying all rumours that Labour minions are thinking of rolling Helen . . . in any way. No, it’s definitely not a possibility. We are concentrating too hard on digging up some dirt of John Key to even entertain the slightest notion of doing anything about Helen taking us down the gurgler like Muldoon did.

Labour is dropping in the polls but her rating is still up there, so without her where the hell would the party actually fall to?

And I mean how deceitful, disloyal, lacking in integrity would such an action as rolling Helen display? No . . . not a possibility. Won’t happen until she is out of the country at least . . . oops . . . No, there is no way Mike is right, and even although Helen has gone livid white and is “appalled” and “disgusted” . . . again. So we are sticking with her . . . I mean would Goff keep Winston as Foreign Bauble? Could we really sort our shit out before the next Election? Can we pass the Steal The Election No.2 Bill to cover up the mess before it happens? Could we handle all these headaches?? No it’s just not happening! . . .
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Paul W (266) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:48 am
Oh what Bollocks! Moore thinks there’s a letter campaign ’cause he’s got his first bit of personal mail in years! Tui ad alert.

[DPF: Read the article about a senior Labour figure e-mailing members asking them to e-mail newspapers and ring talkback]
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Craig Ranapia (1,912) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:51 am
Also rather interesting to note this story from The Press:
The Government is vowing to continue attacks on National Party leader John Key, saying its own public polling shows the strategy is working.

The decision comes despite the results of polls commissioned by the media that show National has extended its lead in the preferred party stakes, indicating Labour’s attacks have backfired.

Labour polling conducted by UMR Insight, excerpts of which were leaked to The Press, show that while National was ahead by a healthy margin, voters were increasingly critical of Key.

(Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4184367a6160.html)

Excerpts? Would be very interesting to read those “excerpts” – especially the wording of the questions asked, and how they were presented. I think it’s just proves how desperate Labour is when they’re selectively releasing their own internal polling (which I’ve never heard of any party doing) to put some positive spin on a failing strategy.
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Craig Ranapia (1,912) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:52 am
Also rather interesting to note this story from The Press:

The Government is vowing to continue attacks on National Party leader John Key, saying its own public polling shows the strategy is working.

The decision comes despite the results of polls commissioned by the media that show National has extended its lead in the preferred party stakes, indicating Labour’s attacks have backfired.

Labour polling conducted by UMR Insight, excerpts of which were leaked to The Press, show that while National was ahead by a healthy margin, voters were increasingly critical of Key.

(Source: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4184367a6160.html)

Excerpts? Would be very interesting to read those “excerpts” – especially the wording of the questions asked, and how they were presented. I think it’s just proves how desperate Labour is when they’re selectively releasing their own internal polling (which I’ve never heard of any party doing) to put some positive spin on a failing strategy.
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Ross Miller (1,543) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:52 am
Criticism from ones opponents will be barely tolerated and sujected to the provision of the EFB.

Criticism from ones friends is not allowed with the ‘perpetraitors’ to be given a fair trial before they are shot.
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rickyjj (166) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:54 am
You’re taking yourselves for fools if you think David has any obligation to be neutral with regard to political parties. He’s part of the game, not the referee or the sports press.

And you’re taking yourself for a fool if you think we have any obligation to not point out what appears to us to be bias. Of course David’s not neutral! But what’s wrong with us writing a comment when we disagree with him?
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:55 am
llew, I’m not denying that Farrar is a partisan commentator or that his blog is run to for the purpose of promoting the National Party – I’m just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy in Farrar getting up in arms about some Labour Party activists writing letters to the editor and calling talkback when he himself will have done that and more countless times in his time as head of the National Party research unit. He’s taking you for a fool, llew.

[DPF: Oh dear how wrong can one be. Not only was I never Head of National Research Unit, I have in fact never even been a researcher employed by it. And as I said previously what is note worthy is it is against a former Leader. Even when Muldoon was daily sniping at National, I can guarantee you National never organised a campaign against him - we treat our ex leaders with more tolerance]
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:57 am
So lemme see … Labour rig their own polls, believe the results and base their strategies on those fixed results.

Labour aren’t qualified to be left in charge of a toaster let alone our precious country.
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Craig Ranapia (1,912) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:57 am
more countless times in his time as head of the National Party research unit.

Tane: Since you’ve given DPF a pretty hefty promotion, are you also planning to give him all that back pay?
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rickyjj (166) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:00 am
Labour aren’t qualified to be left in charge of a toaster let alone our precious country.

Yet Helen’s still out-polling John as preferred PM.
Don’t you love democracy?
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:00 am
And you’re taking yourself for a fool if you think we have any obligation to not point out what appears to us to be bias.

That’s cool. I am also not obliged to not comment if I think it’s just plaintive whining.
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:04 am
I’m just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy in Farrar getting up in arms about some Labour Party activists writing letters to the editor and calling talkback when he himself will have done that and more countless times in his time as head of the National Party research unit. He’s taking you for a fool, llew.

hey guys, I’m not trying to atart a fight here, you’re both right. But that’s the game & this site is not a level playing field. Complaining of bias, hypocrisy etc… it’s pissing into the wind.

And tit for tat, can & will go on forever.
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:05 am
Okay, Young Nats national secretary. Or Executive Assistant to the PM’s office. Or National Party researcher. Or ‘Just doing some temp work at National Party HQ’. Whatever, my point stands.
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David Farrar (1,754) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:09 am
Getting better Tane – three out of four are right. But alas in none of them have I organised a letter writing campaign against a former Leader. I have told anti-Muldoon jokes though if that makes you feel better.
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:12 am
David where does the word “smear” come from

The article says

“Labour members have been urged in an email to write letters to newspapers and call talkback radio shows responding to Moore’s “nasty, malicious” column labelling Clark “Muldoonist?”

I think you should withdraw your “never to smear an ex-leader” comment to be honest.
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gd (2,286) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:13 am
IMHO its time we instituted physometric testing for all those who stand for any public office And no Im not taking the piss Im serious Afterall organisations test even relatively junior potential employees to see what they getting So why dont the citizens have the right to see an independent test as part of the candidates CV.

If they wont take the test they dont get to stand because they have something to hide.
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:19 am
This wouldnt be the same tane, who got his knickers in a knot because alot of the country laughed at the Clark/Muldoon photoshop, so he decided to do his own Key/Muldoon one and send it to Sideswipe is it?

How lame the left are, they cant even come up with their own photoshop ideas……
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Craig Ranapia (1,912) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:21 am
Tane:

As Helen Clark likes to say (or used to) when you’re in a hole the wise option is to stop digging. Or just stop making shit up.
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:26 am
“How lame the left are, they cant even come up with their own photoshop ideas……”

As opposed to nicking them from a Herald article by M Moore esq?
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:27 am
Not as bad as using stolen emails though eh sonic?
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:28 am
Bevan: “a lot” is two words. Don’t worry you’ll get your NECA level-one at some stage (good thing for you it’s not school cert anymore)
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:29 am
Oh shock horror, I made a typo!

Gee Robinson, is that all you got?
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:30 am
Oh and DPF: “noteworthy” is one word. That explains all those typos in the letters to the editor…

[DPF: I haven't written a letter to the editor in around four years or so]
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:31 am
Not as bad as using stolen emails though eh sonic?

Gee Bevan, is that all you got?
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:32 am
Nah Bevan I’ve got your mama too (she’s right here with me and, excuse me… what’s that Bevan’s mum? You’re not sure who his dad is?!…) shit I guess that goes some way to explaining why you’re such a mess bro…
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:36 am
Shit Tane, cant you come up with anything original?

And Robinson – thats got to be your most pathetic post ever. Please try harder next time.
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:36 am
“Not as bad as using stolen emails though eh sonic”

It’s also not as bad as hitting a puppy, whats your point exactly?
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:43 am
Hey Bevan “That’s” has an apostrophe in it (it’s a contraction of “That is”) as does “can’t” (it’s a contraction of “can not”). I guess I’m just letting people know they’re dealing with a guy who probably didn’t pass fourth-form and bro, I don’t take my political advice from people with the minds of children.

Have you figured out what “Bevan” means yet?
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roger nome (4,067) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:44 am
“Oh dear how wrong can one be. Not only was I never Head of National Research Unit, I have in fact never even been a researcher employed by it. And as I said previously what is note worthy is it is against a former Leader.”

So, may I ask? Are we to believe that you’ve never done any polling work for National David? Just curious, don’t feel obliged to answer.

[DPF: As a former staff member I did some polling work prior to 2003. Since setting up my own company, we respect the privacy of all our clients and never reveal who they are as it would breach the Privacy Act. However we are more than happy for any of our clients to reveal they use our services. What I can reveal though is our client range is across the political spectrum, and I never mix my business interests with my political interests. I value the success of my business many many times more than I value any political player.]
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:46 am
Shit Tane, cant you come up with anything original?

Dunno, the Herald seems to think so if Page A20 of today’s paper is anything to go by. What have you done today other than having a little cry and a moan on Farrar’s blog?
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:51 am
Spelling and grammer mistakes Robinson? Seriously is that all?

And seriously dude, do you think I even care what my name means in Australia? Go on, why dont you deliver your zinger.
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:53 am
You missed another apostrophe on “Don’t”.
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:56 am
What’s that Bevan’s mum?… You dropped him on his head when he was a kid?! Poor Bevan no wonder he can’t string two thoughts together, now what were we doing? Oh yeah, that’s right. OH YEAH Right there baby…
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:57 am
Leaving aside the grammer debates (which I would lose)

Any political organisation or pressure group worth it’s salt sends out action alerts to members about stories in the news, inviting them to write letters or phone talkback. The National party certainly do, as does greenpeace, the salvation army or Oxfam.

For Mr Farrar to highlight this as some sort of “smear” campiagn shos this is a very slow news day for the “Labour is falling apart” brigade.
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:58 am
Woooo, sideswipe – that’ll teach me!

Seriously Tane, its you lefties who seem to be having a ‘little cry and moan’ lately I’m more amused at how far some lefties will go to defend Dear Leader in her time of need.

But seriously, how am I going to go on, what with spelling and grammer corrections, jibes about my mother and something about the meaning of my name in Australia – oh and lets not forget about your sideswipe picture. Oh woe is me…..
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colinm (65) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 11:59 am
So, the thread jackers got out of todays meeting just after 11am eh? Sonic first, then Robinson (whose sock puppet is he?), lastly, rogernome. They all come out guns a blazing firing school yard taunts left and right. Heh, very amusing and predictable.
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Bevan – do you have any idea how many people read sideswipe? – It’s like one of the highest ranking pages on the Herald on line.

Your mum says go and look after your sister and don’t waste the nice folk’s time on Kiwiblog. What’s that Bevan’s mum? Do I have a cigarette? I sure do…
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Jeez colinm “heh” – that’s like so “look I’m typing how people talk isn’t that rad man? Like full-on dude”

You wanna be my “sock puppet” big boy?
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roger nome (4,067) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:07 pm
“They all come out guns a blazing firing school yard taunts left and right. Heh, very amusing and predictable”

Really – in my experieince that applies to both sides of the politcal spectrum here at kiwiblog. In fact the righties have been particularly rabid for the last 2 years or so. Maybe it has something to do with being out of power for the last 8 years. They just can’t stand it, what with being New Zealand’s “Natural party of government” and all
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Dont you just love the anonymity of the Internet.

So Robinson, are you going to deliver your zinger regarding my name? Frankly Im expecting it to be more of a Hodgson fizzle?
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Are you hitting on me Bevan? I mean whatever your name means I don’t (“dont”?) care anymore, that’s like, so eight posts ago. Get over it boy, move on!
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Hodgson fizzle then.
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dc (163) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:15 pm
The letter-writing campaign and talkback campaign was organized by single-term MP and professional quango-sitter Jenny Kirk. TV3 showed the email on the news last night: http://tinyurl.com/2usedn .
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:20 pm
“So, the thread jackers got out of todays meeting just after 11am eh? Sonic first, then Robinson (whose sock puppet is he?),’

I think you are getting paranoid Colin, not everyone who disagrees with you is part of a vast conspiracy. I do not use “sock puppets” and I’m sure Mr Farrar can verify that.

As for threadjacking, disagreeing with Mr Farrar is hardly that, trying to smear other posters undoubtedly is however.
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David Farrar (1,754) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:28 pm
This thread is getting into a flamewar. Can people try and keep to the issue of whether or not such a campaign is a good thing or not.
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Hey Bevan, just FYI, Robinson’s probably referring to the (possibly scottish?) slang “bevan” for “Buffoon”.

I presume that’s because they & the auzzies can’t spell.

So um… hilarious eh?
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Can people try and keep to the issue of whether or not such a campaign is a good thing or not.

Remind us again what campaign?
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Nice try llew but it’s actually a (Melbourne-only?) slang term for white trash and from what Bevan’s mum says that’s probably quite accurate. Maybe it’s the gluesniffing that retarded you Bev?

PS. I think a guerrilla PR campaign is more than valid from anyone (just to stay on topic) as long as it doesn’t run to astroturfing. Maxim used to have a whole section of their website dedicated to it until someone pointed out that might not go down too well with the media (it’s all a game but we’re not allowed to talk openly about it that way)
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Adolf Fiinkensein (2,467) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Robinson, you don’t even qualify as a fourth former in this thread. You are neither funny nor intelligent and I shudder to think that you are probably writing your splenetic drivel while being paid with my taxes. Get over yourself.
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gd (2,286) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:54 pm
dc Would that be the same Jenny Kirk who is a paid up member of the screeching sisterhood Surely not How strange All girls together eh
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Adolf, I’ve never quite had this explained to me, but why do you call yourself Adolf? Seems neither funny nor intelligent.
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Reg (530) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 1:06 pm
‘cuse me sorry to butt in like this but could I just ever so briefly discuss Labour v Moore.

I think Moore has a great sense of humour, something that HC and the seat warmers haven’t. His pithy column has summed up the current regime in a way that we could all relate to. Like Tamihere’s interview with Wishart it has given the man in the street a fleeting glimpse what the 9th floor is really up to.
Could we now nominate him for the order of NZ, I think there is a vacancy.
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insider (958) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pm
I wonder if this is the same former Labour MP and office holder that wrote to the candidate in the Auckland mayoral campaign to not run against Hubbard?
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Adolf Fiinkensein (2,467) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 1:45 pm
It’s a bloody sight more intelligent than ‘Tane.’
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 1:52 pm
But that’s my real name. Racist.
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Now Tane is making accusations of racism?!??!

Anything but the topic where, believably enough, our leftie drones are getting pulped.

Desperate desperate stuff.
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Max Call (212) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:01 pm
I think the campaign is irrelevant. Who cares what Mike Moore says (not me anyway).
I think it is a shame that a lot of people on this blog seem more interested in being nasty to each other or about what politicians look like.
Thank you though to the people who post thoughful, insightful comments – I have enjoyed reading the different viewpoints.
I myself am a bit bewildered by what’s happening in politics at the moment. I honestly do not know who I would vote for if there was an election tomorrow – I am not particularly impressed with any party at the moment.
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CharlotteM (57) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Gosh you men are pathetic.
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:05 pm
KraziKiwi, I’m afraid your side has just given up now on the actual topic.

There is nothing unusual about a political orgnisation calling on it;s members to respond to a news story, David’s attempt to paint it as something sinister has fallen flat on its face.

Flame away about nothing, but this is another own goal I’m afraid

Remember the boy who cried wolf?

[DPF: I love the pompous tone as people declare themselves the arbiter of what has and has not worked, as if they were not a participant. Anyone who feels the need to proclaim their own success is generally either very insecure or very pompous]
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pdq (82) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:12 pm
The left seem very, very angry at the moment. I’m not sure why, they should be used to Labour making itself and its supporters look foolish, but to deliberately extend the period of looking that way has a whiff of mismanagement in their current state of desperation.
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:12 pm
“There is nothing unusual about a political orgnisation calling on it;s members to respond to a news story, David’s attempt to paint it as something sinister has fallen flat on its face.

Flame away about nothing, but this is another own goal I’m afraid
”

Then why do you, Robinson and Tane all want to talk about anything but the topic?

Must be a fire somewhere, so much smoke and all that.
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:15 pm
bollocks sonic. this thread has had the usual slagging off at each other. accusations of racism etc. pretty normal and does not constitute an ‘own goal’. weak attempt. you can do better.

it’s easy to inflict wounds on the tired, lazy carcass that is our Labour government… so labour must be deeply worried about the damage that MM is capable of inflicting.
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:19 pm
“Then why do you, Robinson and Tane all want to talk about anything but the topic? ”

I’ve repeated the same point 3 times, not sure what you mean by that?
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:25 pm
oh sonic, BTW i’ve noticed something interesting.

most of the folks here who would qualify for troll status, or be bagged as labour party staffers seldom if ever respond with poster’s correct names.

you’ve called me Krazy_k, Krazy_Kiwi, krazy, KrazyKiwi and krazyk to name a few. same applies for several others of your leaning. i guess this is fair enough if others mis-represent your name but is looks a bit like a deliberate strategy otherwise.

i’m sure it’s good natured though.

back on topic, labour – desprate and worried about Moore. bring it on.
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:25 pm
We stay here cos we like you Bevan (an your mum asked me to keep an eye on you) an anyway KK(K?) when someone who calls themselves “Adolf” slags off the name Tane then racism is a pretty good bet.
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Now Tane is making accusations of racism?!??!

…

this thread has had the usual slagging off at each other. accusations of racism etc.

It’s called taking the piss, fools. I thought you righties took pride in being able to ‘have a laugh’ and all that.
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:33 pm
no robinson, i’m krazykiwi. notice only two k’s.

if you want three you could look at:-

the kuless-klarkx-klan
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:47 pm
What’s a ‘kuless’?
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roger nome (4,067) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:47 pm
“DPF: I love the pompous tone as people declare themselves the arbiter of what has and has not worked, as if they were not a participant. Anyone who feels the need to proclaim their own success is generally either very insecure or very pompous”

WTF DPF?

….. “Labour’s desperate ‘smears’ backfire” proclaims official national party blogger. “the debate is over. Labour has no policy left so they have started to try and undermine the credibility of John Key, who is rumoured to have a rich treasure trove of policies that will save NZ from ‘Helengrad’….” said the self-assured ‘media commentator’.

[I was referring to people declaring themselves the winner of a debate in a thread. Not wider commentary on what is happening in politics]
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 2:51 pm
KK – it’s a colon (:) or a dash (-), not both. That just makes you look silly. Is there some part of the rightwing brain that can’t comprehend grammar (or sense).

Fink: Dick.

DPF: Why did you answer sonic but not me? I’ve gotta say though, I thought mocking pomposity with a seriously pompous tone was very funny (super pomo selfreferential etc). I only wanna know if it’s true about National’s $2.1m war chest. Though I’ve since heard it may be even more than that.

[DPF: Sigh - some comments are nor worth answering. Those who make wild allegations go into that category. I have no idea the size of National's bank account and even if I did I would of course never reveal that. It's called professional discretion. I would not be surprised if National has a lot of money though as they have are estimated to have five times as many members as Labour, are 14% to 20% ahead in the polls and Labour is offending so many people, it is no surprise if people are willing to donate - that is the whole point of politics - allowing people to campaign to change the Govt they don't like]
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Tane (1,096) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:01 pm
Hey Robinson, you’ve been quoted on our blog. Sorry about the ‘screw loose’ thing, I’ll have a word with Bill.
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Nice try llew but it’s actually a (Melbourne-only?) slang term for white trash and from what Bevan’s mum says that’s probably quite accurate.

Nicer try. http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=bevan&sp-a=00021000-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=any&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-x=body&sp-c=10&sp-m=1&sp-s=0

Wow, it also means “excellent”.
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:15 pm
DPF: Sure you know. Just out of interest, how many members does “five times” equate to?

Tane: WTF?! That’s my info! I was gonna write a piece on it for the… uh, I’d better not say… (people might realise I’m really Mathew Hooten).

Nah, seriously. Cheers bro – I’ve never been quoted in a blog before. Does that mean I’m famous?
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:21 pm
llew: Don’t you have better things to do than google-stalk Bevan? Or do you like, love him?
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roger nome (4,067) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:21 pm
“I was referring to people declaring themselves the winner of a debate in a thread. Not wider commentary on what is happening in politics”

OK, fair enough. I get that quite a lot from quite a few righties here. Usually it happens after I go home for the night to see my partner, and/or visit friends. “how convenient that you should have a social life, roger nome” is the usual refrain.
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Wow, THAT was what you were talking about all this time? Damn your material sucks.
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Well Robinson, you seem to be the one with a fascination with me and my long dead mother.
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Yo Bevan! Not as hard as your mum!
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pm
So did she die of shame?
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:31 pm
You are a sad little boy arnt you Robinson.
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sonic (2,818) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:35 pm
“I love the pompous tone as people declare themselves the arbiter of what has and has not worked”

Not that you would ever express your opinion Mr F

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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:40 pm
Bevan: it’s spelled “aren’t” – the apostrophe key is next to your “enter” key.
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 3:57 pm
llew: Don’t you have better things to do than google-stalk Bevan? Or do you like, love him?

WTF Robinson? Don’t you have better things to do than come here & be an immature knob?
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CraigM (681) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Just back catching up on this train wreck thread after a long day doing not much…and what a shambles you kiddies have created.

It has been a long time since I have seen such hostility amongst strangers, even on this blog. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

and no, I am not going to check my spelling or grammer before posting. I couldn’t give a rats.

Must say : Robinson, continual attacks regardings one’s mother? very poor taste, very unfunny. I pretty much disagree with most of what you write but happy for you to say it….but dissing a posters MUM for fun and a deceased one at that. Kind of sick.

As for the topic…..go for it Labour. The longer Labour keeps it in the news the better. Stupid stupid strategy.
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:12 pm
So Craig, is you mum still alive?
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roger nome (4,067) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:13 pm
“Must say : Robinson, continual attacks regardings one’s mother? very poor taste, very unfunny.”

yeah, have to say, the last person I saw pull out the momma jokes here was Insolent Prick, Mr Robson – not a good sign
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AGJ (541) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Seriously Robinson your antics are one of a school boy. Mother jokes….lame.
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Rex Widerstrom (4,971) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:18 pm
gd said:

IMHO its time we instituted physometric testing for all those who stand for any public office.

I wish your faith in psychometric testing were well-placed gd, becasue we certainly need some way to vet the loons. But have you ever sat a psychometric test?

“Do you enjoy working in groups and contributing to the synergistic creative process which assist stakeholder engagement and KPI achievement or do you sit alone in your office polishing an automatic weapon and dreaming of the day your colleagues lie at your feet begging for their lives?”. Hmmm… let’s see…

Heck, I’ve passed several with flying colours, which goes to prove what absolute BS they are if the subject knows what answers the tester is looking for. And politicians, being a wily lot, could lie their way through anything.

A Rorschach test might have weeded out Peter Dunne and Winston though. Show them the outline of an LTD or first class jet and when they lept across the table screaming “My precioussss!!” you’d get a fair idea they weren’t cut out for the job.

Judging by the way this thread deteriorated into a squabble, perhaps psychometric testing ought to be instituted by DPF as part of the registration process. Those who fail (Bevan, Robinson, I’m looking at you) could instead be sent to register here where their debate skills would be put to better use
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:18 pm
I couldn’t give a rats.

That’s “rat’s”

Bwahaha!!

Seriously, you’re on the money.
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llew (1,532) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:21 pm
IMHO its time we instituted physometric testing for all those who stand for any public office.

Someone counted 54 errors on one page (I think) of John McGrath’s Wgtn Mayoralty campaign website.

We’re thinking of putting a grammar test (John calls it gramma) on the Wellingtonista site & inviting all candidates to try it.
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roger nome (4,067) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Oh shit – the gramatical pedants are out in full force again. It’s a BLOG ffs, everyone just relax a wee bit hey?
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red neck (64) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:25 pm
you know when the left(ie sonic and co )are desperate , when they refer to Mr Moore in the same tone as they use on Mr Key, (Our future PM)
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:25 pm
“I wish your faith in psychometric testing were well-placed gd, becasue we certainly need some way to vet the loons. But have you ever sat a psychometric test? ”

Thats why you need psychometric AND ability testing!
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Bevan (3,952) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:26 pm
“Oh shit – the gramatical pedants are out in full force again. It’s a BLOG ffs, everyone just relax a wee bit hey?”

Oh so its OK when someone on your side does it, but when its given back then its beyond the pale?

Typical leftie.
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CraigM (681) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:27 pm
“…..sent to register here where….. ”

LMAO
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Atta boy llew! “rat’s”! Very funny. Craig’s dead right (no pun intended) about a campaign giving oxygen to the whole Moore thing – better for them to focus on the split between Key and English I’d say (I hear the old wound from Key’s sudden leadership vote-swing is still raw.)
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Robinson (170) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Hey Bev – be fair to nome, he did stick up for your mum!
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:48 pm
No amount of dirt-digging or attempt to create opposition in-fighting can save Labour.

Labour could get on with little things fixing our broken health system, stopping the spiralling crime rates and creating sustainable economic growth.

But that would take enough guts to admit that things aren’t flash and lots of fresh ideas to bring things around. Not likely. Instead we have a cabal of power-crazed aging political cronies who can see the wagons circling.

Labour = Train wreck.
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The Perfect Man (88) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Imperfect lot. Not impressed.
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Peak Oil Conspiracy (2,403) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 4:56 pm
Hey Phillip John/Roger Nome: sticking your nose into business that doesn’t concern you again? How’s that thesis coming along?
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Bok (740) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Hey we are very fortunate two have current Labour front benchers posting here. Welcome Mr Mallard (or Tane) and Mr Hodgson (Robinson) It is a privilege to see you operate in person.
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dime (6,426) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 6:14 pm
what the hell is robinson?

i havent read such immature bullshit in years.

god, youre probably right bok – it has to be mallard
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Peak Oil Conspiracy (2,403) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 7:25 pm
DPF: time to ban that rooster called Shane.
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Inventory2 (8,891) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 7:57 pm
********DICKHEAD ALERT*********
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morris (53) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Shane has got to go Mr F…
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krazykiwi (9,188) Says:
August 31st, 2007 at 10:36 pm
6 of the best and immediate cessation of chocolate rations for Shane.

David, he won’t be missed if you ban him. Can you limit post lengths?
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