I’m backing Winston

October 13th, 2007 at 8:45 am by David Farrar

On the issue of the ban on the Fijian soccer player, I’m with Winston and the Government.
For sanctions to work, they have to be effective and wide ranging.

Furthermore, if comparing the NZ Government to FIFA, I have to say that even Helen is a babe in arms when it comes to corruption, compared to FIFA.  They are the true professionals!

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111 Responses to “I’m backing Winston”

  1. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Concur.

    Anyone considered blaming Bananarama?

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  2. Pita (356 comments) says:

    I wonder if his selective morality will extend to the Rugby Sevens as well?

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  3. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    David – Winston is wrong on on this and so are you!

    Earlier this year the Rugby Sevens took place in Wellington

    This from an online paper in January ….

    But New Zealand has not stopped the rugby team from participating in the tournament basically for populist reasons, observers say. Rugby is considered to be a passion with New Zealanders. Prime Minister Clark has also defended the decision to grant visas to the Fijian rugby team overruling the sporting sanctions imposed against Fiji. She said the permission was granted as the government “could not interfere in international events” and also because the public would have turned around and labeled her government as extreme for banning Fijian rugby team from participating in an international sporting event. (IANS)

    So it’s okay to dump on Soccer but not interfere with Rugby – because that would make the government even more unpopular than it is?

    And we are worried that Fiji is no longer a democracy lol!!!!

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  4. 1984 (89 comments) says:

    The guy’s crime is to be engaged to be married to the daughter of a military policeman according to the paper. Case closed.

    Seriously, I think Helen and Winnie thought it might cheer us up if we got to play Fiji without a goalkeeper.

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  5. Craig Ranapia (1,912 comments) says:

    For sanctions to work, they have to be effective and wide ranging.

    They also have to be consistently applied to be at all credible, DPF. You can take all the shots at FIFA you like but I concur with Albert Einstein’s observation that nothing is more destructive of respect for the rule of law than a law that isn’t enforced – and seen to apply to all.

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  6. Craig Ranapia (1,912 comments) says:

    Then again, I have to be fair to Winston – he can count. And I’m sure there’s a lot more registered voters who go to the Sevens than would attend international soccer matches.

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  7. Manolo (12,624 comments) says:

    A brief posting to state my disagreement with DPF on this matter.

    Winston Peters is nothing but a pompous prick.

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  8. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    This ban is silly. If the guy had a direct connection to the illegal Government that might just make sense but we recognise many illegal Governments and if you want to get fussy, Helen Clark was elected by the illegal spending of tax payers’ money and that is new for New Zealand.

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  9. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    So this Fijian can’t come here to play because he is engaged to be married to the daughter of a military policeman in Fiji, but the whole Fiji team could play in the Sevens earlier this year, and New Zealand teams can go to Fiji to play there?

    This from Winston who lied before the Election about what he would do after it, and from Helen who misused taxpayers money to ‘win’ it, and both are now diminishing democracy through the EFB in an effort to stay where they are.

    No wonder Bananarama went home and pulled his coup just after deep and Frank discussions in Wellington with Winston and Helen.

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  10. Akaroa (487 comments) says:

    Your’re 100% wrong on this one David! I’m with democracymum’s view.

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  11. Ross Miller (1,624 comments) says:

    David … I disagree. This supposed ‘smart’ sanction hurts Fiji not one iota. The only looser is NZ Soccer. They loose the revenue from a home game; they loose by having to pay twice in bringing o’seas players back and Fiji gains by having their ‘away’ game played at a neutral venue.

    Smart sanctions indeed. PC crap from a PC crap government and that includes Winston First.

    And perhaps someone can tell me why is bad to play with Fiji and OK for the NZ Womens Soccer team to play against North Korea. At least Fiji doesn’t maintain concentration camps for dissidents.

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  12. GerryandthePM (328 comments) says:

    The ruling is consistent with the Setchell saga.

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  13. Reg (544 comments) says:

    To be consistent; we need to answer this question.

    Will a NZ team be stopped from attending the Olympic games at a country that is a totalitarian one party State that:
    1. Executes more people every year than the rest of the world put together.
    2. Hasn’t ever had genuine democratic elections.
    3. Runs over peaceful demonstrators with tanks
    4. Incarerates adherents of “illegitimate” religious groups and removes and sells their organs.
    5. Followed policies in the 50s and 60s were responsible for the deaths of 70 million people.
    6. and that NZ is about to sign a free trade deal with?

    If the answer is no. Who wants the job of explaining it to the Fijians?

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  14. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    NIce bit of dog-whistling DPF:

    I wish Winston would apply the same ethical and consistecy of standards to his other dealings. Oh sorry, he does, doesn’t he?

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  15. nih (361 comments) says:

    Ironic that someone called 1984 would rather watch a minor sports match than enforce sanctions against a tyrannical dictator who gained power in a coup.

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  16. nih (361 comments) says:

    I wish Winston would apply the same ethical and consistecy of standards to his other dealings. Oh sorry, he does, doesn’t he?

    Dear Fiji

    We’ve changed our minds about enforcing sanctions against you because… you’re not going to believe this… one of our politicians is unpopular. Yup, we’ve resorted to politicking dadaism.

    Quack.

    Love,
    New Zealand

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  17. MajorBloodnok (361 comments) says:

    I agree with most of your postings, DPF. But not this one.

    The NZ Govt, while on the one hand trying to introduce the Mugabe Bill (EFB), is on the other hand punishing Fiji for trying to expunge corruption and racial election systems. (And how do you fix a corrupt electoral system, except by overthrowing it?)

    Total hypocrisy.

    And who will pay the $200,000 bill for the match cancellation? (Let me guess… the unquestioning taxpayer again?)

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  18. morris (53 comments) says:

    Very unfortunate for NZ soccer – but at least govt is going to pay them for the loss of revenue. NZ soccer could cash in here, the game was going to be played in Auckland so, what, about 1000 people would have turned up? Now if it were held in Wellington…

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  19. Yvette (2,589 comments) says:

    Israel was savaged by Helen over the passport incident because it was nice and clearcut in the midst of pressure over the Zaoui debacle.
    Bananarama snubbed both Winston [an old friend was he not of Frank's] and Helen and so we have the obsession with Fiji.
    Thank God so much intelligence and integrity goes into our foreign policies!

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  20. Pita (356 comments) says:

    Hear me speak, not what I say
    Where bull shit rules and others pay

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  21. GNZ (228 comments) says:

    At first I thought that Labour would have been politically smart to jsut ignore this guy, but I suppose you guys are correct – you need to apply your laws…

    anyway I think these sanctions are sill. we are prone to hurt ourselves.

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  22. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    How come we are so high and noble when it comes to soccer

    Why didn’t the govt suspend the AB’s from the world cup in protest against Fiji.

    This hypocrisy is why Fiji went on ahead of the AB’s

    This govt is spineless,cowardly and deserves a white feather.

    It picks on some small Island nation and mingles with giants in human misery

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  23. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    democracymum

    Well said. If it’s OK to have the 7′s go ahead then what is the drama. I commented on a few blogs at the time that not banning the 7′s was a mockery of the “official line” at the time.

    As you say, it’s all about political expediency, the poodle is just trying to show he has some teeth, the same teeth he was too scared to show when the 7′s were on. Which brings up an interesting point. Will Fiji be allowed to come here for the 7′s in Feb next year ? It would seem impossible to justify allowing them in for that given this decision unless something significant changes in the Fiji situation between now and then.

    Watch Winston do a flip flop on this, the problem is he’s probably not even aware he’s doing it these days.

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  24. Reg (544 comments) says:

    hinamanu, you’ve hit the nail on the head.

    The government is guilty of moral cowardice; demonstrated in the way it deals with a heavy hand against small nations, and yet ingratiates it self to the worlds worst abuser of Human rights.

    Meanwhile a Chinese Destroyer is tied up in Wellington.
    Has any one asked if it is carrying nuclear weapons?
    Of course not. We wouldn’t want to upset them would we?
    Yet we’re perfectly happy to thumb our collective noses at the nation that sacrificed its young men to protect our sovereignty and democratic way of life.

    The government that prides it self in “punching above its weight” is exposed as a gutless hypocrite.

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  25. rickyjj (166 comments) says:

    I agree with all the right-wingers – our incompetent and corrupt government should just do whatever FIFA says. If FIFA wants us to play an Iranian team full of terrorists we should not only let the team into our country, but we should put them up in a nice hotel and give them whatever they want be it lamb or guns.

    As for the rugby versus soccer debate… So give me some names people. We let in the whole soccer team except one guy who had military connections. We also let in the whole rugby team.

    This is only unfair if a) restrictions were already in place then
    and b) anyone in the rugby team who was let in had military connections.

    As for Fiji versus China, um China’s kind of a little bigger than Fiji. It’s unrealistic to think we have any influence over China, but we do have influence over Fiji.

    And as for sporting events in general, this kind of “we can go there but they can’t come here” behaviour is not new. While our cricketers were allowed to go to Zimbabwe, the Zimbabwean team was not allowed to come here.

    That is because our government lets it’s citizens come and go as they please, but as Winston pointed out, it is not required to give the same privileges to foreign nationals.

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  26. Barnsley Bill (929 comments) says:

    Nih, you are a fuckwit, a small game in a massive comp this might be, but do not underestimate the reach of FIFA.
    David you could not be more wrong with the sentiment of this thread.
    Sanctions are all well and good, but you try and justify the banning of this goalie, it is indefensible.
    FIFA is all powerful, Football is the only true global game and we have just got the governing body offside.
    This is a stupid decision carried out by a corrupt regime that seems to be hellbent on upsetting every body.
    The irony is that the next tournie is in South Africa. We have the absolute best chance to qualify that we have ever had now that the snake O’neill moved OZ out of Oceania and Clarke and Peters have put all that at risk.
    NZ has become a small pathetic country constantly trying to punch above it’s weight but simply making us all look like crackpot dick heads

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  27. rickyjj (166 comments) says:

    FIFA is all powerful, Football is the only true global game and we have just got the governing body offside.

    I never understand all this “global game” shit either.

    Apparently we’re supposed to like soccer just because lots of poor African and South American countries like it. Nevermind it’s because they can’t afford any better sporting equipment.

    No one in the US cares about soccer.
    The Chinese aren’t really into soccer.
    India and Pakistan are into cricket.
    Canada’s more into their ice hockey.
    Australia’s more into their AFL.

    I’d much rather we were like these countries and got into sports because they were enjoyable, not because everyone else played them.

    I mean it’s not even really that more competitive than rugby. There’s 32 teams at the world cup, and only 7 (Brazil, Argentina, England, France, Germany, Spain and Holland) have any real chance of winning it. That’s 22%, compared with 25% (NZ, Aus, SA, Eng, Fra) for the rugby world cup.

    Oh and there’s like 1 goal a game if you’re lucky, aka it’s boring as hell.

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  28. Inventory2 (9,788 comments) says:

    DPF – whilst I agree with you about FIFA in the corruption stakes (having just read Andrew Jennings’ book about Blatter and his cohorts), I disagree entirely about the visa business. The precedent was set with the Fijian rugby team for the Welly 7′s. Traditionally, rugby and the military in Fiji are pretty much interwoven. However the rugby players were allowed in because they were participating in an international event. The government signified its disapproval to Bananarama by pretending the Fijians weren’t here (which probably worried the Fijians not one iota), everyone got pissed at the Sevens and had a good time, and honour was satisfied.

    The match that has been canned is New Zealand’s first qualifying match in the FIFA World Cup – one of the most significant sporting events on the planet. In addition to the loss of revenue for NZ Football (said to be in the order of $200k), FIFA will now revisit New Zealand’s ability to host the 2008 U17 Women’s World Cup. Ironically, Helen Clark is an Honorary Ambassador for that tournament! The government has hinted they will compensate NZ Football (with my money and yours!), but there is still the prospect that Fiji will be awarded the points from the match, which could potentially impact on any small chance New Zealand has to qualify for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

    Again, the government has dug its toes in, when they could have taken a more pragmatic approach, approved the goalkeeper’s visa, and allowed the match to proceed, while again denouncing the situation in Fiji. Again, honour would have been satisfied. But no, idealogy was the winner on the day, not, as the cliche goes, sport!

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  29. rickyjj (166 comments) says:

    The precedent was set with the Fijian rugby team for the Welly 7’s. Traditionally, rugby and the military in Fiji are pretty much interwoven. However the rugby players were allowed in because they were participating in an international event.

    So which of the Fijian rugby players had military connections?

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  30. baxter (893 comments) says:

    ‘I’m backing Winston’……and Winston’s performing for Hellun, and Sonic, Rogernome and Sam also back Winston so how dare they suggest that your blog is not fair and Balanced…..This judgement how-ever is ludicrous the man is blackballed for being engaged to at some future date marry a girl whose father earns a living in the defence of his country….Winston’s behaviour is an act by a man who doesn’t have the courage of his own convictions and only seeks to curry favour with an intensely vindictive Misstress( boss-servant)

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  31. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    Meanwhile a Chinese Destroyer is tied up in Wellington.
    Has any one asked if it is carrying nuclear weapons?

    I wondered the same thing. Of course if asked they would deny it rather than ‘neither confirm nor deny’. I did glow just a little after walking past the Destroyer yesterday.

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  32. nih (361 comments) says:

    Nih, you are a fuckwit

    Way to invalidate anything else you had to say chuckles.

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  33. Reg (544 comments) says:

    Good point KK.
    We don’t let the Yanks in because they have a NCND policy, even though George Bush Snr announced in 1991 that all Nukes had been removed from naval vessels.
    We let in the war-ships of a nuclear power that is a completely nontransparent totalitarian regime.
    Would Fijian warships be welcome in our ports?

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  34. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Letting in Chinese warships is paramount to us becoming a Chinese pacific interest.

    I wonder what the US is saying bout this.

    If Labour stays in we’ll be completely communist within 10 yrs.

    Not to mention our fresh ties with Nth Korea.

    A Rob Mugabe visit is becoming very likely

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  35. nih (361 comments) says:

    If Labour stays in we’ll be completely communist within 10 yrs.

    Not to mention our fresh ties with Nth Korea.

    A Rob Mugabe visit is becoming very likely

    How do you ever expect to have a rational political discussion?

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  36. Inventory2 (9,788 comments) says:

    Whoever said anything about rational discussions nih?

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  37. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Hullllooooooo,

    Warships with Chinese markings docked in our national waters,,

    that do not have to explain their status, conventional or nuclear!

    Now Nih,, think clearly my friend, let your mind slip back the last 5 or so yrs.

    when was the last time Helen criticised Washington,,

    when was the last time helen criticised BeiJing

    Now friend Nih,,

    let us get into some rational political discussion,,

    your rebuttal I believe,,

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  38. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Raise the red flag kiwis as China is coming to town , look kids at all those battleships , old yank tank boats , well done Auntie Helen , ring a ring a rosy and we ALL FALL DOWN .

    Winston Peters wouldn’t know shit from clay .

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  39. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Helen won’t care as she has a UN job jacked up !!

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  40. nih (361 comments) says:

    when was the last time Helen criticised Washington,,

    when was the last time helen criticised BeiJing

    Now friend Nih,,

    let us get into some rational political discussion,,

    your rebuttal I believe,,

    My rebuttal is that arguing with you is fun because you never have anything to back up your opinions. :) I would, as mentioned a week ago, accept a convincing argument in lieu of often annoying to obtain facts.

    The above is not a convincing argument.

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  41. nih (361 comments) says:

    Whoever said anything about rational discussions nih?

    I still hold a glimmer of hope!

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  42. pdm (842 comments) says:

    A poor decision by Winston and his cohorts. There is no reason whatsoever why this guy should have been denied entry. I’ll bet Clark was in their boots and all.

    There are a hell of a lot worse people who have gained entry over the years with Ahmed Zaoui the most recent.

    The NZ government would be better off being pro active in Fiji in helping arrange the elections they say they want to see.

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  43. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    nih,,

    Did not Helen criticise Bush in Iraq by saying if Gore had been in the White House Iraq would not have come about

    Now nih,, tell me do, when did comrade Helen speak out against the Chinese invasion of Tibet,, just to clarify that one matter,,

    I beleive this is a very rational political question pertaining to your good senses.

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  44. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    nih – would you like to come crayfishing with me and the lads in the morn ?
    We need some bait – Big Trev wants to know ? O400 hours must be at rally point .

    And, Bruce said didn’t Fiji do well in the rugby world cup ?

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  45. nih (361 comments) says:

    Did not Helen criticise Bush in Iraq by saying if Gore had been in the White House Iraq would not have come about

    Now nih,, tell me do, when did comrade Helen speak out against the Chinese invasion of Tibet,, just to clarify that one matter,,

    I beleive this is a very rational political question pertaining to your good senses.

    No, you’re expanding on your original completely unrelated statements that were meant to somehow prove we’d be communist in ten years and Mugabe would be visiting us on presumably a diplomatic mission. Maybe you thought we need more elephants or something, I don’t know. I love your twisted logic but need more proof.

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  46. nih (361 comments) says:

    nih – would you like to come crayfishing with me and the lads in the morn ?

    And see you in your little yellow IHC gumboots? Yes please.

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  47. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Really Helen you are so timid when challenged . I really feel for you as your world incinerates into oblivion, as the right wing swing in the local body elections must be giving you the willies ?

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  48. nih (361 comments) says:

    I don’t think she reads Kiwiblog man.

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  49. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    nih,,

    The proof is in Welington Harbour,, we have Chinese warships in our territory. The US must be so jealous, not to say believing Clar kto be completely bi polar,,

    or more dangerously, a turncoat to the western alliances.

    Now it seems until we see a US warship in our waters we can’t rest
    completely easy,,

    For once in my life I say “roll on John Keys and National!”

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  50. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Come on Heather or Kay , please hurry , what can we say Brian ?

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  51. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    nih – are you telling me that Helen Clark does not read kiwiblog ?

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  52. nih (361 comments) says:

    Come on Heather or Kay , please hurry , what can we say Brian ?

    Pills.

    Take them.

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  53. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Nice Helen , real low bitch !!

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  54. nih (361 comments) says:

    You sure are aggressive towards women.

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  55. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Only a certain type of women !!

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  56. nih (361 comments) says:

    So like, vulnerable ones or ones you find intimidating for a variety of otherwise normal attributes?

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  57. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    nih,,

    I second that on the pills

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  58. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    nih you are so much like Helen Clark because you lower the bar – so you can put people down as it makes you feel good , in fact, you excel in that department – just like her .

    Do you drink from the same vinegar bottle and eat the lemons ?

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  59. nih (361 comments) says:

    I’m sorry, I can’t get the image of you in little yellow IHC gumboots out of my head.

    Hee hee!

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  60. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    It wasn’t just yellow gumboots,, it was IHC that got me

    Hilarious,, hoot, hoot

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  61. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    There is only one place I would like to put my gumboots Helen .

    If weren’t for your gumboots where would you be …… kick that bitch …… so bloody hard she landed head first into a mountain in South America !!

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  62. nih (361 comments) says:

    Wait, you think I’m Helen Clark?

    I don’t think threatening her or me is a wise idea.

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  63. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    nih – “little yellow IHC gumboots?”

    Nice of you to belittle the less fortunate in our society and I think an apology to everybody is in order .

    I rest my case SIR .

    Stand down .

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  64. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    here we go

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  65. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    An IHC yellow top hat would go splendidly wif the gumboots

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  66. nih (361 comments) says:

    Nice of you to belittle the less fortunate in our society and I think an apology to everybody is in order .

    You’re right, mind you. Pretty unfavourable comparison for the IHC.

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  67. nih (361 comments) says:

    An IHC yellow top hat would go splendidly wif the gumboots

    And a little yellow bus for him to ride in as they all go off to fish up plastic crayfish from the sandpit at the local park.

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  68. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    “You’re right”

    A victory for sanity .

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  69. nih (361 comments) says:

    A victory for sanity .

    I cordially accept.

    Better luck next time my old jumping bean.

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  70. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    You said to me Helen ” You’re right.” I win , bad luck .

    End of story and I like myself as a jumping jack flash that gassed a witch .

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  71. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    crazy as a jumping jack, and I thought they banned those years ago

    which reminds me,, Moderators!!

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  72. Inventory2 (9,788 comments) says:

    nih said “I still hold a glimmer of hope!”

    Fair enough nih – just don’t hold your breath!

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  73. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Rational political discussion ? Yeah right . Really where and when ?

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  74. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Krazy Kiwi started all this with talk of Chinese war ships

    and someone from the IHC sent it all downhill from there

    Not hard to spot, that boy wears a lot of yellow.

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  75. godruelf (52 comments) says:

    Have to disagree this time
    Winstons got it wrong(again)
    Will the 7s in Feb be minus Fiji and their (recently) X military
    Dont think so
    Is football not an international game.

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  76. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    We passed that warship this evening and I joked that it woiuld be ‘An American nuclear-powered warship[gasp]”

    Turns out it’s Chinese? Did you see the size of it?!? If that ship isn’t nuclear-powered I’ll be a dutch uncle…

    Looks like the joke was on me.

    pop-quiz;

    If you wanted one other superpower to be watching your back over the next fifty years, would it be:
    a) China
    b) America?

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  77. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    I told you all about the Chinese ships last week but you all laughed at me .

    It looks like Helen has sold us to the reds .

    God bless America and God help New Zealand .

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  78. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    The chinese have probably come to give stephen tindal a visit and show him what he’s part of

    Comrade tindall is a strong importer of chinese goods

    “I love Chinese crap” he wears on his T shirts.

    At the cost of NZ jobs and the destruction of small town economies.

    He’s probably a guest of the warships captain

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  79. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    And all the hookers that hang around the docks will be doing a yellow mellow trade and I do hope they left the children at home before jumping aboard .

    Yanks sailors no more ?

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  80. johnno (2 comments) says:

    An aquaintance/colleague of mine was at home one night in Suva when the military came for him. He was taken to the barracks. Soldiers tied his hands, and then started to punch him in the face. They pushed him to the floor and jumped on his back. He was never asked any questions, but he was left in no doubt that they didn’t like what he was reporting on the radio. A co-worker (who I don’t know) was taken that same night and suffered a similar fate. So, I’m with DPF and Winston on this one.

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  81. nih (361 comments) says:

    pop-quiz;

    If you wanted one other superpower to be watching your back over the next fifty years, would it be:
    a) China
    b) America?

    That’s really a tough one. The answer isn’t “who would protect us” but more “who’s going to fuck us up by association the least”.

    We have strong ties to both countries (what isn’t made in China?) but exports to the US have more room to improve than the likelihood of exports to china being very valuable.

    I’d have to go with the US.

    That said, we’d do better to improve our trade agreements with the rest of Asia or anywhere in Europe. At least we’re not likely to face as much xenophobic bullshit with everything we do there, unlike in the US or China.

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  82. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    nih I agree.

    Fundamentally, I think USA has more in common with us in terms of democratic political culture. We have less ‘to lose’ from them.

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  83. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    nih – do they have mobile execution buses roaming around the countryside in the USA – like they do in China ?

    Do these buses have Human Rights warrants of fitness ?

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  84. john (478 comments) says:

    Why dont we just ban all ethnic fijians But not the new fijian indian taxi drivers , we have imported, we NEED bad taxi drivers, winston must ban EVERY ethnic fijian as by marrage, or any other means,they are all related , they must piss helen off as they are a big manly,race, of pacific people and helens tastes are in limp wristed soft handed socialists who bow to her will But i personlly think the tough fijians are sick of the white mans rule.
    winston peters, a nobody with no power(after the next election) who wears nice suits paid with by the swear of my brow

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  85. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    John/D4J – why don’t you just post under one alias?

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  86. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Please moderators put this issue to rest , I ONLY POST UNDER MY OWN FUCKING NAME YOU FUCKED UP ROGER NOME C##T !!!!

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  87. Peak Oil Conspiracy (2,769 comments) says:

    D4J

    The only thing I’m wondering is that “John” always seems to be online around the same time as you.

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  88. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    I thought that what moderators were for, so shit like this can be sorted I mean how hard is it for someone to view 2 separate IP addresses and I am sick of this twisted crap from cowards like that Mason nutbar ~!!

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  89. Dead Duck Dux (185 comments) says:

    I love internet cafes.

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  90. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    DDD you are a twisted nutbar and you can’t handle the fact that d4j is one and only one and he is causing so much damage to the corruption and filthy low liarbour government . I have never hated anything more insidious than the rort government that is shaming our country . They are a disgrace to all sane thinking kiwis !! By the way go f##k yourself !

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  91. Dead Duck Dux (185 comments) says:

    I’m glad you’re there. Where’s your apology?

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  92. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “you can’t handle the fact that d4j is one and only one and he is causing so much damage to the corruption and filthy low liarbour government.”

    This is possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever read.

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  93. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    roger nome come polling day Helen will be in a psych ward alongside you DDD , bro and sonic .

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  94. Dead Duck Dux (185 comments) says:

    D4J…

    You’ve demonstrated you are not a man of integrity – which in my books makes you not much of a man at all.

    Worse than your mean-spirited misogyny the fact you can’t look a fellow father in the eye and apologise – like a fucking man – when you doubt his status as a parent just makes you look pathetic.

    All your “band of brothers” schtick about fathers is clearly hollow.

    I told you I am a father when you rudely demanded to know. I also told you a lot more. I then asked you politely to apologise. I asked like a man. I expected you to respond like a man.

    As if it needed proving – but you have once again demonstrated you have no mandate or credibility to speak on behalf of fathers.

    There are some of us who raise our kids with love, compassion and care. We respect our partners and women in general. We respect the law. Most importantly we respect ourselves.

    The fact you use “Dad” in your handle gives me the shits because this vile crap you continuously spew out on a daily basis defiles and diminishes the rest of us.

    I gave you an opportunity to apologise – but you’re too fucked up to even act like a fucking man. I hope with guidance and grace my two sons will never act like you.

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  95. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Thank you DDD , now please now go and drink that DDT I sent you dear , that’s a good girl – drink it all up . Then off to bed , night, night , and sleep tight and don’t let the red fungus liarbour nits savage you too much .

    xxx
    d4j

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  96. enough rope (107 comments) says:

    “don’t let the red fungus liarbour nits savage you too much .”

    Somehow I doubt that the ‘swear’ of DJ/John’s brow will buy too many suits for Winnie.

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  97. Dead Duck Dux (185 comments) says:

    You can’t even be contrite like a man. Any man who thinks “girl” is a put-down shows he’s not much of a man. I know I am pissing in the wind trying to get through to you.

    But, in the vain hope this might stick:

    Your antics in this blog are disgusting and self defeating. You do yourself and your cause no good whatsoever. Take a look at all the comments directed at you over the past year. They come from across the political spectrum. It’s not just “Liabour lickspittles” or other assorted Feminazi stooges. Your critics come from a range of normal, intelligent, balanced individuals.

    You say kids need a role model; but what kind of role model do you think you are being right now? Take your blinkers off.

    Get your shit sorted out. Fix whatever it is that needs fixing in your life and that makes you this bitter piece of retarded shit sticking itself all over this and other blogs and finally start acting like a fucking grown man.

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  98. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Thank you DDD , didn’t read any of what you write ( never do -why start now ). Is it nice and kind words about me ? I do hope so my darling ? Want a date or a fig ?

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  99. Dead Duck Dux (185 comments) says:

    Oh, and threatening to poison someone is no way to win an argument and possibly illegal. I see the moderation on this site is working a treat.

    I’ve not threatened you…so why suggest you’re trying to poison me? Don’t worry, I don’t take it seriously. If I did – you’d have Police knocking on your door…again.

    I tell you this, though, if I think your childish threats towards me or anyone else get out of line – I will take action against you. DPF might enjoy having you ginger up this blog. But I fucking hate nasty wannabe bullies.

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  100. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Can’t take a joke DDD as you are a twisted hateful feminazi slug that has allowed our country to dwell in the darkness of social madness .

    You bent feminazi’s go through life trying to blame someone else for your psycho mood swings . DDD and DDT – have a melt down , moderator , moderator please help me because nasty d4j told me to drink poison , sob , sob , whimper , wimper . What a jellyfish you are DDD !!!

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  101. Dead Duck Dux (185 comments) says:

    I don’t need moderators to help me. I just thought they were trying to lift the tone of the debate. But, I guess not. I’ve said all I want to say to you. I can see it’s not sinking in.

    Keep thinking you’re clever. Keep thinking you’re fighting “the good fight”.

    I can only speak for myself – but from my perspective you’re not acting like much of a man or a father. We (fathers and men) are meant to be better than this cheap crap you pull. We’re meant to set examples.

    Rant away – but know this…as a man and a father I find your antics shameful and deeply disturbing. You may think you’re the voice of hard-done-by dads – but you are doing them a very, very deep disservice.

    You cheapen their genuine struggles by making them look like fucking twisted idiots.

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  102. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    Goodnight Helen

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  103. john (478 comments) says:

    d4j ,sorry for the heat on you mate ,posters on this site are bright in the main but they can be thick, remember posters i puncuate my posts with caps and i use my real name now, ie not red neck, so give d4j a bit of breathing space unless theres another John ,J

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  104. Mrs Disgusted (2,769 comments) says:

    Aha! This is the first time “John” (D4J2) has posted on this thread. And we’ve had quite a few from Dad4Justice (D4J1). But no-show from Spiny Norman (D4J3). Anyone I’ve missed, Mr Burns?

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  105. Lance (2,309 comments) says:

    1980′s Wicked wicked wicked NZ!!!! Don’t you know Politics and sport are linked.

    2007 Wicked wicked wicked NZ!!!! Don’t you know Politics and sport are separate.

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  106. Sam (493 comments) says:

    Ummm, can i make a comment about the Fijian thing… I have to scroll quite away before I find the last relevant post… Moderators?

    [rakaunui(moderator): Go for it]

    I just wanted to point out that the NZ govt only banned one player against some calls on here for banning the whole Fijian Sevens team – apples and oranges methinks… It is true that if NZ were following the sanctions precisely however, that the whole Fijian soccer team be banned, not just the one player?? It seems that we are being light-handed in this case even.

    As for banning their goalie to help our team win – does anyone actually care?

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  107. john (478 comments) says:

    The nine most terrifying words in the english language are “im from the government and im here to help THE second most scary words to both D4J and me (John) formally redneck and various other aliases, is to have the stupid left think that im Mr Peter Burns, and Mr P Burns is me,but i know where hes coming from,Im me and he is he, stupids(opps moderators act you have to)

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  108. john (478 comments) says:

    Sam you cannot ban part of a team and think its fair , shit we could have had both games abandoned and all points given to fiji . What if they have only one goalie, and we appear as the big bad racist whities(morals)dont interest fifa

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  109. PhilBest (5,112 comments) says:

    This has gone way off topic. Tim Barclay made easily the most relevant comment way back at the start. If we don’t recognise Bananarama as the legitimate leader of Fiji, why do we recognise most of the members of the UN?
    The Mullahs of Iran? Castro in Cuba? The list is endless.

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  110. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    why is labour dissing Fiji anyway

    cowardly

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  111. entertain-me (15 comments) says:

    I’m going with Winston on this one…

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