Dom Post on Consequences

December 24th, 2007 at 9:51 am by David Farrar

The Dom Post editorial is on consequences.  One segment I’ll repeat:

Perhaps those with the most to ponder in relation to unintended consequences, however, are Prime Minister Helen Clark, chief of staff Heather Simpson and anyone else responsible for the Electoral Finance Act. It comes into effect in eight days’ time and will curtail the rights of those wanting to spend their own money in election year trying to gain a particular outcome, be it the return of a Labour-led Government or its ousting.

None of its architects could have expected the unholy row their intransigence has created; Labour goes into 2008 uncomfortably far behind in opinion polls. If Miss Clark cannot turn that around, Labour’s downfall will be at least partly down to her inability to tolerate dissent.

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68 Responses to “Dom Post on Consequences”

  1. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    The arrogance of the government has caught up with it. Kiwis are a laid back bunch, but they are the bolshiest troops in the world. You can only poke a sleeping dog with a sharpened stick so many times before it wakes up and bites your hand off.

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  2. Tina (687 comments) says:

    You don’t have to be Karl Rove to see where this is going.

    I’m predicting many deliberate breakings of this law that dare Hulun to prosecute, timed to provide a sequence of trials and appeals up to the next election.

    Beautiful.

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  3. Andrew W (1,629 comments) says:

    The media smells blood.

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  4. Oscars Grouchy Mum (83 comments) says:

    The media may well smell blood, however do the vast majority of labour voters actually read newspapers and watch the news on tv?

    I think that those of us who are motivated enough to voice our opinions on blog sites and in other forms of media often over estimate the level of interest held by the vast majority voters in this country hold in politics.

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  5. Oscars Grouchy Mum (83 comments) says:

    Sorry about the grammar – my bad.

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  6. Labour are scum (58 comments) says:

    You guys don’t get it.

    Helen and her cohorts are simply NOT going to hand over power.

    If they were prepared to risk jail in 2005, what do you think they are prepared to do next year after 3 years of that drug called power?

    Helen LOVES Castro, Che Guevara, Ho Chi Minh and all the other role model tyrant socialists.

    They have a ‘just’ cause of course – the POOR.

    This is going to get very ugly in 2008.

    It will be known in NZ history as ‘the year of living dangerously’.

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  7. Monty (964 comments) says:

    of course the other unintended consequence is that They will then be on the receiving end of this legislation when National win the election and while repealing it, they will need to introduce new legislation that possibly will be able to keep some of the clauses that favour the government of the day. Without Clark, Labour talent pool is puddle deep (and evaporating) and it will be a long time before they will produce a leader capable of taking on John Key who is growing in confidence and ability every day (I can hear the predictable screams from the left already with that comment)

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  8. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,798 comments) says:

    Not to mention the predictable screams from the right who want John Ket to be Genghis Khan. (Was he a left arm spinner like the other chuckers?)

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  9. Frank. (607 comments) says:

    Helen’s New Year’s Honours List for outstanding services to Helen will be something.

    My Pick is:

    Top of the Honours List: Police Commissioner Howard Broad:

    2. The Independent Police Conduct Authority and State Services Commissioner Mark Burton

    3. Hon Mark Burton and Hon Annette King

    No list would be complete without Winston Peters, Jeanette Fitzsimons and Peter Dunne.

    Without their help the EFA would not be law and arrive gift wrapped for New Zealanders in the New Year, with a Labour Party Gift Tag:

    “Vote for Labour and get more of the same?

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  10. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Oscars Grouchy Mum – I agree re voter apathy. Helens idea of democracy is having more than 50% of voters either:
    (a) unable to comprehend what the govt is up to, or;
    (b) totally disinterested in what the govt is up to, or;
    (c) comprehending AND interested BUT terrified of doing anything lest the personal cost should become more than a simple vote

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  11. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    What would Walter Nash think of Miss Klark and Peter ?

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  12. Labour are scum (58 comments) says:

    Helen has a very cunning plan.

    The EFA is totally unworkable. It was set up to be litigious.

    There are 120 electorates in NZ.

    If Helen loses the next election, she will claim that the EFA was breeched on a massive scale. She will file AT LEAST 120 court cases that will be appealed ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT.

    It could take YEARS to finally resolve.

    Meanwhile meet Caretaker [sic] Prime Minister The Right Honourable Helen Clark.

    And guess what fellow Kiwis. It will all be legal.

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  13. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    Governor General would either appoint a caretaker government ( it would be unlikely to be any government that had just “lost” an election) or authorise another poll. Being part of the commonwealth ain’t so bad afterall, eh republicans? Beats dying on the city streets for freedom of speech. You don’t even have to get out of your chair – and the taste of blood as a price for principles will just be an imagined flavour.

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  14. Labour are scum (58 comments) says:

    I pray that you are right goodgod

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  15. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    GG Are you suggesting that a possible scenario like a situation of circumstances and outside influences can taint the whole political structure which will make it vulnerable and at the mercy of the courts ?

    Dame S has a big year 2008 ? Show time Helen !

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  16. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Tane , are you there you sewer rat ?

    [DPF: Less unprovoked insults please]

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  17. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    roger nome ?

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  18. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Not to mention the predictable screams from the right who want John Ket to be Genghis Khan.”

    I’m proud to be a follower of that glorious Assyrian Adolf, and isn’t it a shame that he wasn’t here today, in his purple and gold, to show the toadying so called “right” what its really all about?

    Of course we realize Adolf that the left have too firm a hold on power in NZ, and that anyone who *seriously* seeks to challenge that ascendancy would find it almost impossible to attract support. That situation tho is an outcome of the right’s lame capitulation over the last few decades.

    Don’t feel lonely Adolf. Its happened in almost every western democracy. (not Singapore?) After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the fall of the Berlin wall, the left had to adopt new more sophisticated strategies, (Gramascian) so they gradually and quietly took control of all of our power structures, and now, they’ve got us by the balls.

    There is a way out of this tho Adolf, but that way isn’t made any easier by joining with the leftist zealots who paint anyone half a degree to the right of Karl Marx as extremist. Propagandising academic commies like DenMt and his mates have some people so completely bluffed, that they’re ready to pump bullets into their own ranks. The enemy is the left mate, and we’ll beat them eventually, but not by continuing to fall for the same old same old scams they’ve been pulling for decades.

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  19. John Dalley (394 comments) says:

    Dick4J. No but i am. When will you ever learn to stop abusing people.
    Quite frankly, you are a discrace to men generally. You are not bright enough to tone it down a bit, stop getting banned and actually make a decent contribution to this blog.
    Merry Xmas you idiot and i hope you come back in the new Year and last a bit longer than a couple of weeks.

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  20. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Exactly redbaiter our enemy is the left , high time we had long overdue change .Just look at Hillary in States ,Klark etc.. need I say anymore . Load the keyboard bullets brother , smash the stinking liberal empire of bullshit . The strategy is too win the propaganda airwaves of the internet . I like Adolf . I am smacking into frogblog at present and enjoying Harrys .That reminds me where is sonic . War is war and those utopian greens have really stuffed themselves over this fascist EFB shit. The worm has turned . Forward match into the bullshitting bastards !!

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  21. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Dalley – get a LIFE .

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  22. big bruv (13,331 comments) says:

    D4J

    Most of the people who come here share the same goal (namely to get rid of Clark and Labour) yet we manage to get our points across without the bile and personal attacks you seem to revel in.

    Do you not see that by being so offensive you lower yourself to the level of Sonic, Jimmy Sleep and all the rest.

    In 2008 it would be great if you would just give it a fucking rest.

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  23. john (478 comments) says:

    D4J dont worry about the J Dalleys in this world , they just like to be dominated by dominating bulling lying barren women ,you know the type , ie helen davis, a good example that shows a good education dosnt make you a good nice HONEST person.
    ps at least last to the beginning of 2008 befor expulsion as i enjoy your posts,MERRY XMAS ,ALL John

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  24. Tina (687 comments) says:

    d4j……..the comparison is odious.

    What do you have against sewer rats?

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  25. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Well Tina , a sewer rat bite me on the leg when I was a boy Scout .Never forgotten it .

    David F I will not provide anymore unprovoked insults . Oh by the way Merry Christmas everybody .

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  26. big bruv (13,331 comments) says:

    Jimmy Sleep

    Do NOT speak for me please, while D4J is barking mad and lowered himself to the level of left wingers he at least can be cured while you and your communist pals are beyond help.

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  27. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Yes James S , however you know teenage girls sleep all day ? Shopping all done James . What is Father Christmas bringing this year ? Consequences ?

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  28. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Mr Sleep ; Surely this is getting beyond a joke at least I keep to the topic ? Do you speak for Heather Simpson on this issue, because you deal the victimhood card pretty quickly ? Take me to court if think I have acted outside the law .

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  29. john (478 comments) says:

    D4J, relax with a nice wine , last to the new year, good to have you back,again JOHN ps
    helens pr dept are really earning their 100+k salaries on this blogg, there are expensive paid jobs riding on the witch surviving,and winning in 2008, she is a growth industry in MEGA salaries

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  30. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    “d4j – I do not speak for anyone.”

    Good fact . Right now, if you say I threatened you in any way please take me to court or forever be silent on the issue . Understand boy ?

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  31. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,798 comments) says:

    “I’m not an xmas fan myself.”

    That explains a lot about your unusual persona.

    Are you a mecca person? Or maybe a marx person? Or is it mammon?

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  32. pdm (842 comments) says:

    Athiest as well perhaps James?

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  33. john (478 comments) says:

    JAMES S drop your pants, sit on your thumb and rotate, , ie like your gay left mates. ps like it or lump in ,i dont give a fuck , inglish opps english , opps txt , opps maori, who cares YOU DONT KNOW ME and i dont give a shit about you, pimple, do you have a family JS (STRANGE) 16yo YER RIGHT is the pr dept of helen davis called a family,STRANGE.working overtime stranger

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  34. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,798 comments) says:

    On a serious note, James Sleep’s off hand comment about Christmas (or as he puts it, xmas) highlights one of the interesting facets of the current US presidential primaries. Candidates from both parties are waking up to the fact that voters want their leaders to actually BELIEVE in something more than themselves.

    In my view, the worst feature of Clark’s outfit is its complete lack of principle and /or ethics, brought about by, I believe, the lack of any discernible faith or belief in anything more omnipotent than their own self righteousness and importance in the universe. Humility is not a quality with which they are over endowed. It reminds me of going to an ‘atheist’ funeral, compared with going to a Christian funeral. Rightly or wrongly, the latter always seems a much more fulfilling and satisfying event.

    To further inflame those of the Godless left, it is worth noting that everything that is good about western civilization can be traced back to the influence of Jesus Christ. Education for ordinary people, hospital care for ordinary people, fair and just laws for all, scientific analysis and endeavor to name a few. It was their BELIEF which motivated them to step out beyond the square of the day.

    Professor Adam Claasen of Massey University Auckland has an interesting presentation on the subject.

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  35. John Dalley (394 comments) says:

    John. john, john, john, john.
    another clone for D4J. I’m sure the right, your mate John Key just love having supporters like you two.

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  36. Anthony (768 comments) says:

    D4J – of course Roger Nome and Tane aren’t here as they generally come online only when they are being paid – I think for something else as I don’t really think they get paid specifically to blog on here as some people allege. But like all good lefties, they don’t mind stealing their employer’s time.

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  37. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Indeed Anthony – the socialists are a greedy bunch , however there will be consequences , its called natural justice , power to the people .

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  38. kiki (425 comments) says:

    As a godless liberal I honestly don’t think everything good in our society comes from Jesus Christ. There was good before and good after, evil before and evil after. The one god franchise just happen to occur at the right time in history to be widely sold. Yes I “celibrate christmas” but as the real start of summer my favorite time.

    The biggest problems we face are because we believe but don’t think and this even comes back to the EFA. People believe the EB are a threat, they believe labour is fixing the problem, they even believe in marxism but no-one sits down and thinks about it.

    Cheers and a merry summer to you Ha Ha Ha.

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  39. Policy Parrot (175 comments) says:

    I hope all you righties are visited by the ghosts of Xmas past…

    Time to terminate Ebinizer Justice, Baiter, and Finky!

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  40. James (1,338 comments) says:

    As an Atheist myself I enjoy Christmas for the reasons that far predated the grafting of Jesus onto it….goodwill,eating,drinking,present giving,humanity….As explained below Christ is NOT the reason for the season.

    http://pc.blogspot.com/2007/12/is-christmas-too-commercial.html

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  41. john (478 comments) says:

    James as i have stated in a few posts the fucked up left are on the way out as your witch has lost the faith of the real NZers, National will romp in by Mr Key smiling and agree with what ever the queer left put up , its a WIN, WIN situation for national as labour has been arseholes with our taxes for so long (look at my case , mother,in law ,amputation , my wife 16 hours in a corridor on a trolley with a broken ankle result,plate and 10 nuts and bolts ( with heart problems ),so james you and you party of bulling deviants are fucked up dog tucker , so shut up for a week or two and let people who work and produce comment (im sick of letches from the left ) and fuck live with my english.PS leftist shitheads im a pride in print sheetfeed printer training my 5 th apprentice adding to the countries growth so the leftist friend zoiu can get given a 4 bedroom state house ( the floors your james creep) john, a PROUD WORKING MORTGAGE FREE TRADESMAN NEW ZEALANDER,and a proud member of the EPMU

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  42. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    “Time to terminate Ebinizer Justice, Baiter, and Finky!’

    Bring it on Peter !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  43. Andrew W (1,629 comments) says:

    “As an Atheist myself I enjoy Christmas”

    As an atheist and after today, I’ve decided it’s a pain in the arse and should be banned.

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  44. Peak Oil Conspiracy (2,949 comments) says:

    What an odd thread.

    Seeing as there’s no general thread today, perhaps I can take this opportunity to wish DPF and all Kiwiblog readers a glutton-free Christmas. No, not gluten, I’m thinking of gluttony – the sin!

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  45. Andrew W (1,629 comments) says:

    Good point POC, Merry Xmas and good will to all, even the low life lefty scum :)

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  46. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    “I hope all you righties are visited by the ghosts of Xmas past…”

    I suggest policy parrot that you have far more to worry about that than me , ouch that hurt . Good one Peter . Direct hit .

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  47. john (478 comments) says:

    Fuck james, you wouldnt cut the mustard as a machine assistant, study hard and you might be able to fill out the unemployment benifit form , ok pimple, CHEERS john

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  48. john (478 comments) says:

    As i said james , i dont care, i am me and you are you and believe me i am happier than you, this is a computer game, blogging , i have my wife, life, family grandchildren ,my three dogs my sport, do you think your pathetic leftist thoughts upset me , you are just a good wind up or a stress reliese , so look in a mirror and a useless shit will look back at you BUT CHEERS ANYWAY, and fuck i passed sc, but inglishh was sicond after my potty mouth, ,LOL, cheers toosier, have a great CHRISTMAS EVE, to all the posters and you DAVID for making it possible KIWI BLOGG RULES,,
    ps i will still use REALLY bad english as its expected, and the odd swear word in 2008, but thats how you get demerites

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  49. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    No James creep you get a life and f##k off you stupid uneducated twit !!

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  50. Raffles (69 comments) says:

    D4J

    Little Jimmy has been educated, very well in fact, it is just by the wrong crowd i.e H1 & H2

    The sorry bit is that he cannot see the real world as most thinkers do.

    Never mind he is only a boy and will learn. I hope!!

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  51. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Sadly you are right raffles , however Christmas eve and this plonker keeps putting it in . I know tunnel supports that have more brains then James Railway Sleeper . I do feel sorry for him and I ‘m thankful my four children are not like him . I don’t hold much hope for this rather unfortunate delinquent .

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  52. Raffles (69 comments) says:

    Now back to the real debate.

    I have never had so many people comment on politics before the dreaded EFB. I am surprised at the interest from punters who don’t usually give a toss. I see a great year in 2008 for the “fuck off and get out of out face you commie pricks” supporters.

    I can’t wait. I am going for Liarbour around 30% at the only poll that counts.

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  53. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Far to modest to put labour at 30% party vote raffles . The EFB saga sham calls for the total destruction of both the Labour and Greens as we know them .

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  54. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    James if you were my son I would go live on a floating iceberg .

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  55. john (478 comments) says:

    James i have a damn good life , my investments are doing really good and in 6 years time YOU james will be paying my pension, and YOU HAVE GLOBAL WARMING TO LOOK FORWARD TO , plus no job as china has taken everything(all the jobs) except McDonalds, cheers
    he dosnt like you D4J, i feel

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  56. cathay_atlantic (3 comments) says:

    *sigh* this has been a shocking year for you D4J. I’m on the absolute opposite of the political spectrum to you but there was once a day when I respected your cause. That day has long since passed. You have been suspended from Kiwiblog a multiple of times and have taken your angry rants to other sites besides Kiwiblog, places where those kinds of posts aren’t appreciated.

    Nice to see you posting James. When will we see you blogging again?

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  57. Raffles (69 comments) says:

    Jimmy Boy

    Play the ball not the man and you will get more respect for your views albeit mixed up.

    You will not win against D4J as he has won a few battles in the past and is street wise.

    Focus young fellow on what really counts and not by throwing bull shit.

    Go back to the main point and DEBATE and do not continue throw powder puff punches or D4J will beat you every time. Get wise and debate issues.

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  58. WebWrat (516 comments) says:

    Is there any doubt which side of the fence Redbaiter, Dad, John are on?
    They don’t beat around the bush.
    A spade is a spade, they tell it like it is.
    Go for it, thanks and have a good Christmas.

    James Sleep:
    As you will have nothing to do tomorrow, maybe you could answer these questions:

    Can you tell me why the government is sucking up to communist countries?
    Why is Winston in North Korea?
    Why is the government talking of giving Nth Korea ‘financial assistance?
    Why did my father bother to spend half a decade fighting for our democracy?
    Why are you and your traitor mates so desperate to errode said democracy?
    Why do you think you are so ‘gung-ho’ when you consistantly and deliberately offend the very people that financially support you so you can sit on your arse in Dunedin and offend them?
    Why do you think it is such a joke to denigrate our democracy that so many people sacrificed their lives to acheive?
    Is a frontal lobotomy mandatory for socialists?

    And James … I failed School Cert.
    There’s a bit of ammo for you.

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  59. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    James Sleep last time I ever bother talking to such a thicko creep . My 23 year old twin sons and my two teenage daughters all feel extremely sorry for such a sad person as you . Fact you stupid boy .

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  60. WebWrat (516 comments) says:

    N.B. The questions were origionally for Gnome but he wouldn’t answer them.
    So James you can leave out the one addressed to gnome if you like.

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  61. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Don’t be in a hurry to come back James Sleeper and please make sure you clean the chimney for Father Christmas and leave a bottle of beer for the milkman and carrots for all the red nose raindeers.
    Have the gloves on boxing day if you come back ?

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  62. john (478 comments) says:

    D4J creep will be one of those uni arseholes rioting,(he said hes going to uni) POLICE ARREST, then battoned, tazered, pepper sprayed, GIVEN THE BASH and man raped in the clink by a VERY well built sodomiser (I HOPE) ps YOU will STILL be paying my pension , 6 years james till YOU support me,OK sleep , LOL

    [DPF: And that's a very rare 100 demerits]

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  63. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Maybe John Minto can tell Sleeper cell how much the Minto bar hurts , or is it called the Nich bar nowdays after recent events from the keystone square heads ?

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  64. john (478 comments) says:

    The floor is yours James , but i have a good dvd to watch , post and i will be back soon, laddy

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  65. big bruv (13,331 comments) says:

    Jimmy Sleep

    The childish insults, personal abuse, regurgitation of Labour lies and your immature attempts at wind ups are all very boring but in the end most here are not that bothered as they consider you to be nothing more than a kid who has yet to do any real living or develop your own thoughts.

    HOWEVER, as you insist on playing in an adult world there is one rule that you should understand for the good of your health.

    1. NEVER and I mean NEVER abuse our kids or families, by all means have a crack at us but abusing a mans kids or family is a great way to have your teeth rearranged.

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  66. dad4justice (7,791 comments) says:

    Never you punk creep sleep !!!!!

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  67. toby1845 (191 comments) says:

    James Sleep: “I successfully passed level 1 NCEA.”

    Well, that’s just amazing. Tell me, could you “unsuccessfully pass” it? Or “successfully fail” it?

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  68. magicmerl (3 comments) says:

    I thought that there was some moderation on this forum?

    Or are only left wing views moderated?

    [DPF: No. But people making wild accusations such as that may end up moderated. The last three people suspended have all been from the "right" incidentially]

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