Annette King blames the moon and the sun
Good God, Annette King seems to be determined to destroy her formerly excellent reputation. I doubt even George Hawkins would be as insensitive as to blame the tide of murders in January on the “full moon” and “hot summer”.
Even worse it appears she made her comments at the scene of a shoot-out in South Auckland. She actually stood at the very point teenagers and gang members were trying to gun each other down, and talked about the moon, the sun and the stresses of Christmas.
Simon Power says he is lost for words, but in fact is thanking Annette for a late Christmas present. He helpfully points out some more likely factors:
- The Justice Ministry says their youth offending team system is a shambles of confusion.
- The Reducing Youth Offending Programme, run with CYF and Corrections, collapsed after offending rates had not reduced after three years.
- Labour’s Ministers Group on the Youth Offending Strategy did not meet for three years.
- We are still waiting for the national truancy register they promised in 1999 and 2002.
A smart Minister can refer to stuff such as seasonal variations, but not as an excuse. To say
They are not easy to address issues unless we ban Christmas and January
is ridicolous and insensitive. I really do not think the full moon is why there was a gang shootout at a tinny house.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:37 pm
When the moon is in the seventh house
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
and Annette king will be out on her arse…
January 31st, 2008 at 12:38 pm
/lol @ Redbaiter
January 31st, 2008 at 12:40 pm
An excuse for every season
Summer – hot and full moon
Autumn – those annoying leaves everywhere
Winter – cold and no moon
Spring – those bloody daffodils made me do it
January 31st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Non-rhyming poetry, how novel!
January 31st, 2008 at 12:43 pm
You couldn’t make it up… she’s actually perfectly right, in the purely statistical sense. But perhaps doing a media walkabout down Othello Drive with Len Brown is not the time or the place. “Chill, nigras, that crime scene down the end of your street is just a seasonal ‘blip’!”
Oy… again, I’ve got to wonder what happened to Labour’s once formidable political/media instincts. I used to give King credit for making a reasonable fist of the always difficult Health portfolio, but she’s really developing a bad case of foot in mouth disease. First, during the EFB debate, she creates a new law (Annette’s ‘law of common sense’) out of thin air, to general derision. Now this?
January 31st, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I think she has hit upon the key reason for the increase in young offending. Werewolves.
Were the bullets used in the shooting silver perhaps? Did anyone bother to check?
January 31st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Her comment is right up there with Bush’s comment a few days ago that the fundamentals of the US economy are very sound.
Another Tui monent…
January 31st, 2008 at 12:47 pm
sonic: Non-rhyming poetry, how novel!
Aquaaariuuus! Aquariuuuuuus …. (?)
January 31st, 2008 at 12:49 pm
http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/HighnumberofJanuarymurdersnotunusual/tabid/209/articleID/44493/cat/41/Default.aspx
January 31st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
King REALLYcould have done a better job.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:52 pm
The Labour party has hired youth crime consultant M. McGonagal to engage in a youth crime reduction campaign based around improving the general ambient feelings in Counties Manukau through the large scale performance of Patronus Charms to drive out the Dementors that Police Minister Annette King has identified as the cause of the recent spate of homicides.
January 31st, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Well what is she supposed to say?
“I’m so sorry, let me bring out that new policy I’ve been working on, that will INSTANTLY rein in all of MY murderers that I’ve got running around?”
Of course we expect some sort of constructive comment from our leaders, but to start citing statistical variations (in the number of murders in month X) as evidence of some sort of abject governmental failure is just being willfully obtuse.
I remember a January during my childhood when there were a lot of murders, I vaguely recall it was something like 16 or 17 of them… Was that evidence of Bolger’s utter failure as PM?
January 31st, 2008 at 12:57 pm
“I remember a January during my childhood when there were a lot of murders, I vaguely recall it was something like 16 or 17 of them… Was that evidence of Bolger’s utter failure as PM?”
Nor I bet it was due the the full moon or hot summer…
January 31st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
King REALLYcould have done a better job.
Well, I think there might have been other factors besides the munificent goodness of the all-knowing, all-wise, bountiful Labour-lead Government involved? Jus’ saying, folks.
And for Sonic’s benefit, here’s another non-rhyming lyric (courtesy of Stephen Sondheim’s ‘Sweeney Todd; The Demon Barber of Fleet Street’):
There’s a hole in the world like a great black pit
and the vermin of the world inhabit it
and its morals aren’t worth what a pig could spit
and it goes by the name of London.
At the top of the hole sit the privileged few
Making mock of the vermin in the lonely zoo
turning beauty to filth and greed…
I too have sailed the world and seen its wonders,
for the cruelty of men is as wonderous as Peru
but there’s no place like London!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Comparing Steven Sondheim to ratbiter Craig?
Lucky there are so many sharks around this year, shouldn’t be a problem for you to find one to jump over!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:00 pm
The real reason is that after 8 years of liarbour they are now realizing voters want their goverment to actual produce outcomes.
But the problem being a leftie is they don’t know how.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
New Labour crime policy – free air conditioners and ice blocks for everyone in South Auckland. Oh, also tin foil hats to guard against harmful full moon.
“But Judge the sun and moon made me do it. Wasn’t my fault. Ask the Police Minister.”
“Ok, just home detention for you then.”
January 31st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Of course we expect some sort of constructive comment from our leaders, but to start citing statistical variations (in the number of murders in month X) as evidence of some sort of abject governmental failure is just being willfully obtuse.
RRM:
Who is being obtuse? I’ve been to funerals of chain-smoking raging alkies whose idea of exercise was whacking off. All pretty reliable statistical indicators of morbidity and mortality, but I kept that McNugget to myself when paying respect to the widow.
What’s so frigging obtuse about saying there’s a time and a place for all things; and Othello Drive might not have been the best place to lecture the residents on statistical cycles.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
That’s weird… this full moon and long hot summer phenomenon seems to have hit South Auckland but somehow missed Te Awamutu and Mt Roskill… the government has to put a stop to this deliberate targetting of Maori/Polynesians by both the sun and the moon!
January 31st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Lucky there are so many sharks around this year, shouldn’t be a problem for you to find one to jump over!
Well, dear, you seem to have swallowed all the dead rats. But nice attempt at a weapon of mass distraction.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Oh.. now I get it.
Simon Power actually thinks that when Annette King attributed it to “the Sun and the Moon” she meant literally.
Clearly he’s not the only one…
January 31st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Still not found that sense of humour Craig?
Ah well, we live in hope.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Still not found that sense of humour Craig?
Try saying something funny and see.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Can’t believe I’m saying this, Sonic, but Redbaiter’s contribution to this thread was actually (mildly) amusing and laid back. Kudos, Baiter — it really is a good look for you.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Bugger I laughed so hard at this one that I had to go and buy a new pair of knickers……..
Then again, Annette King is the Minister that spends 90% of her time with tinfoil on her head. I mean, how else does she stay that blonde????????
January 31st, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Simon Power actually thinks that when Annette King attributed it to “the Sun and the Moon” she meant literally.
Clearly he’s not the only one…
If King was trying to be tongue in cheek, then she deserves even more scorn. People have been mudered RRM, we do not expect our Police Minister of all people to start being a wise arse. We expect her to stand up and help the Police provide a solution – not an oh well nothing we can do about it line.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Red baiter, that stupid bitch is having a bad HAIR day, she must be smoking good dak, and shes the minister of police (fuck me days)aaa bad thought , her running around a stage NAKED, gasp
[DPF: John - please don't use the B word in relation to female MPs]
January 31st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
HOW TRUE!!!
School 1960 vs. School 2007
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1960 – Crowd gathers.. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up mates.
2007 – Police are called, Armed Response Unit arrives and arrests
Johnny and Mark. Mobiles with video of fight confiscated as evidence.
They are charged with assault, ASBOs are taken out and both are
suspended even though Johnny started it. Diversionary conferences and
parent meetings conducted. Video shown on 6 internet sites.
Scenario: Jeffrey won’t sit still in class, disrupts other students.
1960 – Jeffrey is sent to the principal’s office and given 6 of the
best.Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 – Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Counselled to death.
Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra funding because
Jeffrey has a disability. Drops out of school..
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbour’s car and his Dad
gives him the slipper.
1960 – Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to
college,and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 – Billy’s dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to
foster care and joins a gang. Psychologist tells Billy’s sister that
she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.
Billy’s mum has an affair with the psychologist. Psychologist gets a
promotion.
Scenario: Mark, a college student, brings cigarettes to school .
1960 – Mark shares a smoke with the school principal out on the smoking area..
2007 – Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug
possession. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers, puts them in a
model plane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1960 – Ants die.
2007 – MI5 and police are called and Johnny is charged with
perpetrating acts of terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings
are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny’s dad
goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls during break and scrapes his knee. His teacher,
Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1960 – Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 – Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job.
She faces three years in prison. Johnny undergoes five years of
therapy. Becomes gay.
Just another percpective on life’s little moments. Please keep it real people.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:44 pm
The ex Dental Nurse is way out of her depth – she always was. Never accepting responsibility for anything. Always finding someone else to blame. These people are not leaders, time to go.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:45 pm
The fault, dear Annette, is not in our star, but in ourselves.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
It’s amusing watching a 2005 prediction come true. I just hadn’t picked that it would all be so Fawlty-Towers-excruciating to watch. The money quote:
“So after three inglorious years, during which time a fragile, electorally barely-sanctioned gummint muddles its lonely way through this swamp, all it will have to show for it is exhaustion, a more completely demonstrated lack of competence, an ecomony several clicks further down the OECD scale, and a greatly deepened resentment amongst voters. Who will then vote for? Anyone But Labour……”
Enter Annette, stage left.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Annette King should go to each of the deceaseds’ families and say how very sorry she is about their loss but it is really the fault of the hot summer and the full moon. They should just move on.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
john: Red baiter, that stupid bitch is having a bad HAIR day, she must be smoking good dak, and shes the minister of police (fuck me days)aaa bad thought , her running around a stage NAKED, gasp
And what does that have to do with anything? Substance man. Substance.
January 31st, 2008 at 1:59 pm
So the murder rate has remained stable for the last 10 years, violent crime doubled under Natioanal, yet somehow crime is “out of control” and it’s all Labour’s fault.
Nice one kiwiblog …
January 31st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Annette King is getting confused with new moon – where the sun and moon conjunct and the moon is actually invisible. She sahouldnt. as the he new moon is an important event in Wicca. It is darker at night and you are less likely to be seen running away from the murder scene. There was a new moon on Jan 8 – one murder occurred that morning
‘Anyway, the biggest biggest full Moon of 2007 was in October 25. That was a long hot summer too – and that week had a public holiday. How many murders were there that week? There should have been at least two if we are to believe King.
January 31st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
So the murder rate has remained stable for the last 10 years, violent crime doubled under Natioanal, yet somehow crime is “out of control” and it’s all Labour’s fault.
Nice one kiwiblog right …
Nice one deluded idiot….
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/violent_crimes_by_youth.html
January 31st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Clearly she was misheard. What she was trying to tell us was that these murders were the work if a secretive group headed by Sun Myung Moon and that we’d all better hurry up and get simultaneously married or there can only be more bloodshed.
Well damn it, it makes as much sense as what she said…
January 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Oh and Josh? Brilliantly apt Shakespearean reference. Just pips Red for the “best use of a pop culture allusion to make a point” award
January 31st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Bev – that’s a very narrowly selected statistic (presumably he could have used convictions, or reported crimes instead) concerning 14-16 year olds. I was talking about violent crime as a whole.
http://kiwiblogblog.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/nationals-criminally-insane/
[DPF: You are a moron. How can one use reported crime instead of apprehensions when you don't know the age of the alleged offender when a crime is merely reported. There is no age breakdown for reported crime.]
January 31st, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Your not really using a KBB link to back up your arguement are you?
Now thats funny!
January 31st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Also dont forget that reported crime sometimes is not actual crime, I remember a few instances last year where people had invented instances where a crime had been committed against them and subsequently had charges of wasting Police time laid against them.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Roger and Sonic,
Please read Stephen Franks at http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/violent_crimes_by_youth.html
January 31st, 2008 at 3:15 pm
If this is an example of King’s Common Sense-isms, I can’t wait for interpretations of the Electoral Finance Act to start flowing…
Oh, wait… they have.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
As I think I saw Craig opine – she is actually correct in a statistical sense but an incredibly stupid thing to say out loud (comparison could be made to her very fair comment that the police cannot always predict where violent crime is going to happen a couple of days ago). Incredibly crime and general silliness does increase under a full moon (don’t ask me why). I recall speaking with an ambulance dispatch officer many years ago telling me that they are consistently busier on nights with a full moon.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Annette needs to stop being so silly and just listen to what her Leader is saying: youth crime is due to “the Mother of all Budgets of 1991″!
January 31st, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Sorry Mr Farrar for calling a female ( the police minister???????) a bitch , i have a beautiful black bitch (american cocker dog) and i respect my hard running black bitch American cocker far more than our stupid Police Minister (to be gone soon hopefully) , ps i pay her wages and i didnt vote for ( them), but its bad to call a sothsayer a bitch , sorry Mr Farrar
January 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pm
That global warming has a lot to answer for.
January 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
RADVAD…Yes just ask the Chinese.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Wait, she actually spoke the line about banning Christmas and January? I had thought that was inserted for comedic effect. Regardless of the facts, definitely a case of brain left in other bag.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Actually, there might be some correlation in what Annette King refers to. But what the secular antichristian Left is going into deeper and deeper denial over, is the TREND of the last few decades.
It would be nice if the gummint took some notice of the observable relationship between what the SUN does, and GLOBAL WARMING.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I always thought that poor old Annette was suffering from peroxide poisoning, but maybe she really is the quintessential dumb blonde.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pm
“The Left’s belief in the helplessness of the poor is a self-fulfilling prophecy”-Theodore Dalrymple
Problem for leftists like King is they are not allowed to blame the perpetrators for the choices they make in life. That’s reserved for nasty evil right-wing scum who want to treat the poor like human beings capable of responsibility for their actions, and responsible actions. That King resorts on blaming the moon only shows an unusual desperation this occasion.
January 31st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Full Moon?
Lunar.
Lunartic.
It’s not just King, quite a few who comment in Kiwiblog say outrageous things on and around a Full Moon.
January 31st, 2008 at 6:36 pm
As my wife pointed out this afternoon, normally the only people who would attribute things to the full moon are vampires and witches.
Annette King? take your pick……
January 31st, 2008 at 6:50 pm
annette is a lowly vampire,remember helen davis is the witch, always the top witch
January 31st, 2008 at 6:51 pm
The sun and the moon? Hmm, how does that statement parallell with Annettes desire to subject legal interpretation to the often quoted law of common sense!
January 31st, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Right of way,
Next week we have an annular eclipse (Feb 7)
How will she survive this? Tin Hat?
LMFAO!!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:27 pm
You people really are pompous bastards aren’t you.
Have you looked into it instead of the somewhat 7th form recital of iron maiden etc.
Seems that she is only taking her cue from one of the finest police forces in the world.
If any of you people care to read the guardian, or spent one minute looking into this you would have found this.
Police link full moon to aggression
Fred Attewill
Tuesday June 5, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
Police have linked full moons to a rise in aggressive behaviour among drinkers on the streets of Brighton.
Senior officers have decided to deploy more police this summer to counter trouble they believe is linked to the lunar cycle.
A Sussex police spokeswoman said today: “Research carried out by us has shown a correlation between violent incidents and full moons.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2095945,00.html
as for the weather thing, this is just well known. Has anyone been or lived in CHCH durning a Nor-west wind, they go mad. the once quite timid if not slightly conservative good folk of chch become mainacs and the police know to be on extra duty.
Still if all you are keen on is name calling and waxing lyrical with the poetic, fine, but if you were at all interested in what may be a valid CONTRIBUTING factor of this ‘crime wave’ then have a read and shut up.
As for the comments my the esteemed Mr Power, I really am quite seriously looking forward to him around the cabinet table later this year. No no no, seriously I can’t wait for him to have police and justice etc. Because all according to him you have to do is ’stomp out crime’.
Because as Power so righhtly points out, what has Labour been doing for the last 9 years if they hadn’t stomped out crime by now.
Lets hear it for stop, a dam fine musical and stage show and now the international answer to crime. I’m loving NZ crime free by xmas, everybody yell stomp.
January 31st, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Paul – Power is good, but you can’t expect him to remedy 9 years of social engineering and mismanagement in just a couple of weeks!
January 31st, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Well then, according to the Gospel of King, it’s obvious that all children should be genetically tested and psychologically assessed, for harbouring any Werewolf potential (at say age of 3). Those found to be harbouring the ‘gene’, should be dispatched by the quickest means possible to the nearest prision, zoo or freak show. Problem solved.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I hope Annette has been resting those lungs, whats the bet they will get a good workout in the next 9 months
January 31st, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Speaking of anal eclipses. Whereis Cullen.
January 31st, 2008 at 9:48 pm
3-coil. His words, you can stomp out crime. I want to order some size 13s and start stomping.
Still Power has the answer to crime, lets hope the guardian sends the Metropolitan Police over here to see how it’s done.
What’s social engineering if it’s not telling 16-18 year olds how to live their life. If Key was to announce policy that all 70-80 year olds were to attend compulsory budgeting courses there would be the appropriate outcry. Somehow telling youth how they should live isn’t social engineering.
I’m guessing Mr Power hasn’t spoken to the Head of the Metropolitian Police force asking why and how they put more officers on duty durning full moons. I mean what business does the head of the police that overseas 8 million residents of one city have doing such an action.
after all according to Power
“It beggars belief that someone with that level of experience could say something so ridiculous”
Whom Ms King or the Head of Police in London. Is Sir Ian Blair “deluded” to think such things.
Power is the one who is ‘deluded’ to think that there isn’t more than one cause for crime. At least he’s not ‘deluded’ to think that all you have to do is stomp out crime. I can see a high powered (excise the pun) meeting/visit from Sir Ian Blair when national get in.
Sir Ian Blair – “Mr Power how does this crime stomping go again, do tell?”
Mr Power ” You put your right foot in, your right foot out…”
January 31st, 2008 at 9:50 pm
kehua Says “Speaking of anal eclipses”
that’s funny, did you think that all on your own, or is there someone helping you type.
Wow is this really the level of debate about a serious topic. Good luck to you all.
I see there must be no youth crime on the streets tonight, because all of the juveniles are here blogging.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Murder is on the increase because of people’s blase attitudes rather than the weather. It’s on the increase because hardly anyone is willing to do anything to prevent it.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:10 pm
PaulM, quoting the Guardian: “A Sussex police spokeswoman said today: “Research carried out by us has shown a correlation between violent incidents and full moons.”
No f—-ing kidding. If someone moons me, I get violent as well.
But seriously, you really don’t believe everything you read in the Guardian do you? The fact that it provides half the content of the ludricrous Sunday Star-Times says it all.
January 31st, 2008 at 10:35 pm
it’s common belief that the full moon makes for more crime (which seems a little strange but maybe it is a self fulfilling prophecy – or the extra light might help) and that heat causes more crime (which is pretty easy to understand).
Going around making a fuss about this just leaves a lot of us saying – “do we want a minister of police who doesn’t understand criminal behavior after the next election?”
fortunately, its probably just mindless politics…..
January 31st, 2008 at 11:35 pm
I’m pleased you have found this as I heard the Police National Crimes Manager on the radio a few days ago making similar excuses for the rate of murders.
I do not know why the police think it is their role to politically spin the numbers. It is their role to fight crime, not spin.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
What we expect nothing less is that that murders are happening at all is appalling. No ifs no buts.
January 31st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Paul – yes sign off on the nor wester. That is horrible. I get very grumpy around that time. Not as bad in Chch as around Ashburton – used to be day after day. Horrible.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:05 am
Full moons always produce more crime because crime is going up ALL THE TIME
February 1st, 2008 at 1:47 am
This is really disappointing because she has been quite a good supporter of our organisation. Can I just say again that I would encourage people to form a neighbourhood support group (see web http://www.ns.org.nz) or white pages. Or emal me kevin@ns.org.nz
Also, we used to have a lot of breakins in our area but we haven’t had any problems since we installed an alarm and got a dog.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:06 am
Any of you who doubt the effects of the full moon have never worked in a casualty ward at a urban hospital.
Seriously, they put on extra staff.
No-one is sure if it is a real effect, or a psychosomatic one.
But it does exist, ask you local health professional if you don’t believe me.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:44 am
You may very well be correct, Sonic, but there is such a thing as the right time and place. This wasn’t it.
February 1st, 2008 at 2:45 am
Whom Ms King or the Head of Police in London. Is Sir Ian Blair “deluded” to think such things.
Paul:
I do wonder whether Sir Ian could complete this phrase without using Google: “Correlation does not imply c*******n.” (I certainly know most of the journalists and politicians in this country can’t.)
Then again, he might be more focused on whether the Met’s reputation is every going to recover from the utter balls up that was made of the aftermath of the the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes on his watch.
February 1st, 2008 at 7:36 am
Even if the heat or the full moon was causative it is not excusative and a Minister of Justice or Police should not have brought it up.
February 1st, 2008 at 8:02 am
I wouldnt put it past this Labour crowd to attempt to ban xmas and January ! They’re trying to ban things on just about every other front of our lives as it is !
February 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am
Well, I rather doubt the residents of Othello Drive really got her point while King and Len Brown were posing for the media in front of an active crime scene. Which is where I came in…
February 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am
Seems the Sun and the Moon have a lot to answer for:
Source: NZ Herald
Hat tip: Stephens Franks Blog
February 1st, 2008 at 11:48 am
February 1st, 2008 at 12:23 pm
The REAL problem: everybody, read this:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_4_oh_to_be.html
Theodore Dalrymple: “The Frivolity of Evil”.
Basically, the reason that crime and lower incomes tend to be correlated, is that the same people with screwed-up moral compasses, both make bad choices in their own lives, and commit crime. The “criminals are innocent victims of deprivation” stuff is Gramscian, society-undermining bullshit.
February 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm
King’s comments amount to her mooning at the public over the exploding crime rate.
February 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Lindsay Addie
Did you also do the figures that show each Jan is the peak time for crime in NZ, in particular serious violent crime.
If you people even bothered to read her statement, she suggested that among other things like the post christmas budget blues, returning to work etc etc that the long hot summer and the phase of the moon may be among contributing factors.
Power was either being completely disingenuous or ignorant of the facts of this topic, pretty shameful either way for someone who wishes to hold this office at the end of the year. If he was unaware that the Sussex Police (my correction sorry) had commissioned a report on the rise of crime during the full moon, which resulted in more staff rostered on during this time, then he is not very good at his job.
Also if he was unaware of the Nor-Wester effect in chch, he has possibly never talked to the staff at CHCH Police or Hospital or University, all of which acknowledge the negative effects.
All he was doing was chest beating and got away with it, because in this day and age we all know that the facts are superfluous to a good chest beat.
Still he can “stomp out crime”, which of course means I will be breaking a habit of a life time and voting for the party that can “stomp out crime”
February 2nd, 2008 at 1:59 am
Come on, Paul, if Simon Power was “beating his chest” in front of an active crime scene you wouldn’t be spinning it.
February 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Craig,
sorry I might be a little thick this morning, what do you mean? It’s a very strange statement, along the lines of the Bush “you’re either with us or for terrorism”.
I hope that you acknowledge that he was being disingenuous with the truth, due to the documented evidence that supports Ms Kings assertions that environmental factors may contribute to crime.
After all the Sussex police acknowledge such an event.
He was playing the media and it seems that it got the herald writer Claire Trevett all excited as she wrote two articles on the same thing twice in one day.
But then that’s par for the course with the Herald these days, they will print any drivel that National spins regardless of the validity of their chest beating.
Was he questioned as to how he will ’stamp out crime’? Not bloody likely, they’d hate to upset the marvelous National.
After all it was the same reporter who has a riveting story about Nats out mountain biking and John Key going for a run. Tough stuff, still makes the Nats look good.
Power was blowing hot air and was either lying or being deceitful.