Calls to sack Peters grow

April 10th, 2008 at 6:37 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports that calls for Peters to be sacked as Foreign Minister (he could be moved to another portfolio) are growing. Business representatives who are still in are said to be furious and has been trying to calm them down, agreeing it was a “bullshit” situation. Those effectively calling for him to go include:

  • Northern Employers and Manufacturers Association chief executive
  • , a past president of the NZ Export Institute
  • Revenue Minister Peter Dunne

The fact Peters is not just quietly voting against (or abstaining) but has launched a high profile campaign  in NZ against it with newspaper ads is what has them fuming, plus his insistence he will state his views against it when overseas as Foreign Minister.

Martin Kay in the Dom Post covers in more detail the Revenue Minister’s views on Peters:

Mr Dunne, UnitedFuture’s leader and revenue minister, said Mr Peters would fly in the face of “all conventions about good government” if he spoke out against the FTA as a minister. “I can’t see how you stay on that basis.”

… Mr Dunne told Newstalk ZB the FTA was central to the Government’s foreign policy and Mr Peters had to represent that.

Kay also covers the issue of Labour’s about-face on this:

Dr Cullen’s insistence that it is all right for Mr Peters to speak against the deal contradicts comments he made soon after Mr Peters was appointed, when he said the FTA was one of the “highest foreign policy goals”.

His insistence that Mr Peters is free to criticise the deal overseas also appears at odds with a Cabinet circular that says he must speak for the Government “on all issues” when out of the country.

Colin Espiner in The Press also quotes Dr Cullen yesterday:

“I think that people understand very clearly that the confidence and supply agreement provides that Mr Peters is bound on matters purely of foreign policy …”

Now recall that in 2005, Dr Cullen stated in Parliament that the China FTA was one of the Government’s “highest foreign policy goals”.

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66 Responses to “Calls to sack Peters grow”

  1. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    Tom’s Scott’s cartoon in the Dom Post this morning may be ass about face – not as to whether Winston is talking out of both – but as to which end is doing the business here in New Zealand or internationally.

    That he is shitting on us New Zealanders is evidenced by his ads in yesterday’s papers – using more Parliamentary Services [tax] funds before he has paid one cent back of what was stolen by NZ First last Election.

    [And I thought an Election ad was already defined as to include any form of graphic that may influence a voter to vote for, or not to vote for, any party or not a party or something similar. To qualify to use Parliamentary Services [tax] funds, and the Crest, surely yesterday’s ads should have not have carried the NZ First logo, Winston’s photo or the line “IT’S TIME FOR NEW ZEALANDERS TO OWN NEW ZEALAND AGAIN – DON’T YOU AGREE” or, as Peters wants to claim, as he did on ONE news, if this is all settled before the Election it’s not an Election issue and so doesn’t become an Election cost [ha!] one assumes then he can’t anywhere in his campaign or at rallies, us the slogan “IT’S TIME FOR NEW ZEALANDERS TO OWN NEW ZEALAND AGAIN – DON’T YOU AGREE” or any part of it, otherwise the link back does make the ad preparatory to his campaign ]

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  2. poneke (280 comments) says:

    You have posted this twice!

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  3. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    Once again Peters is grandstanding on an issue in a desperate attempt to pull NZ First out of its polling mire. We all knew it was coming, and we shouldn’t be surprised, as the former MP for Tauranga has serious form in this regard.

    In poker terms, Peters is bluffing. Does Helen Clark have the wherewithall to call his bluff? By describing Peters’s antics as “bullshit”, is Goff positioning himself for a tilt at the Labour leadership – and could he manage Peters any better?

    When Clark entered into a confidence-and-supply agreement with NZ First, she must have known that there was a better-than-even chance it would all end in tears. The adverts in yesterday’s papers remind me of the old Eddie Low song:

    “It’s cryin’ time again, you’re gonna lose me
    I can see that faraway look in your eyes”

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  4. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    Poneke – You have posted this twice!

    Who has posted what twice?

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  5. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Dont these people realise that Winston is the only thing that makes politics interesting in NZ. I mean, no one really takes him seriously, but by God isnt he fun to watch.

    Like the race thing. Every election he trots it out, and every election the media latch onto it and call winston (or Brown this time ) a racial bastard, and every time the media bring back winstons voters who actually dont like all those non integrating immigrants and having been reminded that winston is still there, go and vote for him.

    If he was so useless then the media wouldnt write stories about him. In this case we have an image of someone supposedly within the government telling the government that they are wrong. Many will vote for winston because they think that someone kicking helen (God – doesnt she look like the wicked witch. I saw her on TV on her retrun from China and wiith the sunken eyes and the black hair she looked like something out of a childrens horror story)and cullen around as really good. Winston is no ones political fool. Those voters could give a rats arse about the deal with china or the tibetans – they are more interested in how they are going to pay the rent or the rates or how to get the car fixed.

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  6. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    DPF has Yvette – the entire thread is duplicated

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  7. poneke (280 comments) says:

    David Farrar has posted the same story twice, a few minutes apart.

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  8. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Lets have a discussion on the obvious eh poneke. What a drama queen.

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  9. Insolent Prick (417 comments) says:

    Chill, d4j. There’s no need for that.

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  10. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    Well said IP – Dad seems to be spoiling for a scrap this morning, but it’s far too nice a day for that!

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  11. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    DPF has Yvette – the entire thread is duplicated
    David Farrar has posted the same story twice, a few minutes apart.

    Okay, well no big deal – it’s a bloody repeat performance from Winston too.

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  12. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    You’re not wrong there Yvette – the kind of “repeat performance” that he turns on…..ummmmm…..just about every three years……….funny that!

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  13. David Farrar (1,895 comments) says:

    When I posted the first time it timed out and didn’t appear. I then copied it back in from word, and posted it again. Then went to the gym, got back and found it did make it both times!

    About to delete the earlier one.

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  14. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    GROAN. I can see what’s coming a MILE away……….I’ve been saying this for a long time: Winnie was never gonna go the whole term. He’ll get the maximum number of seats at the next election only by pulling the plug on the gummint on some issue dear to the hearts of his supporters…………and the last 2 and a bit years, with all the baubles and the most corrupt gummint NZ has EVER had, will be forgotten by these stupid, stupid, stupid perennial Winnie-voting suckers………..

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  15. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Winston would love to see that youve posted twice DPF – thats exactly what he wants – exposure, exposure, exposure, exposure……………

    He’s probaly sent a virus thru the WWW that automatically spreads stories about him

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  16. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Sorry if you were offended poneke, but I am livid , half our GPs’s are set to retire soon (probably replaced by Chimps) and the gummint is importing Asian robotic cops, while Peter blow hard Dunne(who has a opossum in his head) and others want Winny Wine Box to get the don’t come Monday letter . Don’t you ask me why I am fucked off with this bent country of dimwitted idiotic fools.

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  17. coge (190 comments) says:

    Sack Peters? Well that would hardly be pragmatic now, would it?

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  18. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Winston has an ace but mum’s the word.

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  19. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Funnily enough, there was nary mention of Peters’ antics on the RadioNZ news this morning. Reckon they’ve got a better sense of proportion.

    Why? Because they’re just a propaganda arm of our current socialist revolutionary government? Or because they don’t have to sell newspapers by beating a story senseless?

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  20. poneke (280 comments) says:

    Sorry if you were offended poneke

    Peter, it would take someone far more offensive than you to offend me. It was IP who objected to your abuse, not me.

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  21. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Sacking Winston would set Labour up as being decisive, and give Winston addtional profile.

    What I would love to see is Winston sacked, and then ignored by the media. He may slag off the media, but god knows he need them.

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  22. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    poneke; our political landscape is the worse I have ever seen and I think the whole political situation is sad. All our politicians are a disgrace to the honour and integrity of a once proud Nation.

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  23. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    Dad4Justice writes of “Peter blow hard Dunne(who has a opossum in his head)..”

    I’ll be darned. I thought the possum was ON his head, a pet he carried around – always

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  24. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    D4J: “our political landscape is the worse I have ever seen”

    Where were you in 1981, then?

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  25. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    You are correct Jack5 he has a silver grey possum on his head and a skinned opossum in his head.

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  26. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “Where were you in 1981, then?’

    I was suppling support the tour badges to everybody in kiwiland. Why jaffapety?

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  27. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    National have contributed to this by failing to see that such universal and gushing approval for what is essentially an extremely contentious agreement opened the door for Peters to grandstand. National should at the very least have had the guts initiative and discernment to go for the ‘cautious optimism’ approach, and that would have taken a lot of the wind out of Winnie’s sails. He’s now able to posture as the white knight, standing alone for the plebs against an alliance with a corrupt and oppressive regime. He should never have been given that opportunity, especially given the situation’s predictability.

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  28. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Yes redbaiter I doubt John Key understands that he is the leader of the opposition? National are as weak as weasel piss.

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  29. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    I see Goff is quoted in the Herald as telling a business group that the Peters position is bullshit

    Wonder if Guyone Espiner will be pursuing him in hallways asking if he “believes” in Helen Clark;s and Cullen’s views on the coalition agreement…

    Is this the sign of a Cabinet split? Perhaps National were right to sit back and watch things implode

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  30. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    “Mr Key yesterday reiterated his position that it was conceivable that Mr Peters could be foreign minister in a National-led government.”

    I find this more frightening than Peters duplicity – and I consider Peters as two faced as Tom Scott portrays him – so why is Key so bloody wishy washy – or does he really think Winston would be good as National’s Foreign Minister?

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  31. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    insider said “Wonder if Guyone Espiner will be pursuing him in hallways asking if he “believes” in Helen Clark;s and Cullen’s views on the coalition agreement…”

    lol insider – good one! But of course, this is only a coalition agreement (well, to be specific, a confidence-and-supply agreement), a rather significant constitutional agreement…..but it’s NOT climate change, so you don’t HAVE to believe!!!

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  32. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    # dad4justice Add karma Subtract karma +0 Says: April 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am ‘Where were you in 1981, then?’
    I was suppling support the tour badges to everybody in kiwiland. Why jaffapety?

    D4J, I was making the point that your statement that “our political landscape is the worse I have ever seen” is just dopey tosh, given that the political landscape has been infinitely worse within our lifetimes. Instance 1981.

    But maybe you didn’t “see” this because you were overseas, I thought. Now that I know that you were in NZ I can see quite clearly that you just typed something without thinking. Again.

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  33. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    After watching Peters on Campbell Live (don’t know why I watching, but was) I cannot fathom why anyone in their right mind can find him relevant or amusing.

    He blatantly refuses to answer any questions, attacks then smiles smugly – thinking that he is bloody charming. F-off, surely even the most dyed-in-the-wool redneck doesn’t buy into that shit.

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  34. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    siobhan, You’ve got a lot to learn about “dyed-in-the-wool rednecks”. You could start off by listening to talkback radio for a short period (anything more than an hour is considered hazardous) and then attending a National party fundraiser in, say, Rangiora.

    [DPF: Wow such a nice generalisation. And people wonder why some Aucklanders are unpopular elsewhere in places liek oh Rangiora.]

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  35. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “F-off, surely even the most dyed-in-the-wool redneck doesn’t buy into that shit.”

    ????

    WTF?

    Why would any redneck be ready to support Peters?

    Oh I get it. Racists/ rednecks. Interchangeable terms.

    The limited mainstream media driven political perceptions of pseudo liberal NZers is one of the biggest barriers to sensible government in this country.

    Edit- As Jafaboy also demonstrates so well.

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  36. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    “Redneck”, n., U.S. a. A member of the white rural labouring class of the southern States; one whose attitudes are considered characteristic of this class; freq., a reactionary. Originally, and still often, derogatory, but now also used with more sympathy for the aspirations of the rural American.

    Okay, now, Redbaited, what are members of the white rural labouring class of the southern States best known for? No, it’s not bluegrass, it’s racism!

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  37. casual watcher (289 comments) says:

    Phil Goff is the only person talking sense in this matter – this country should not be tolerating this duplicity from Peters. That turd has to go and all parties should combine to ensure it happens – otherwise we have no credibility or pride left as a nation.

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  38. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Okay, now, Redbaited, what are members of the white rural labouring class of the southern States best known for? No, it’s not bluegrass, it’s racism!”

    ..and being Democrats. ..and bluegrass has no specific southern connotations. Its mountain music. As for all of these accusations of racism, as I have said before- the constant resort to this allegation is only used by the left as a means to stifle debate on issues they don’t want to be challenged on. Anyone who disagrees with the leftist position an any issue involving a culture or race outside that of white European Jeudo Christian sector of society is automatically termed a racist. Useful tactic, but in reality just another example of the left’s desperate and pathological dishonesty.

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  39. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Sadly, casual watcher, the voters also have a say in these matters, and enough of them keep voting for Peters, and voting very strategically in respect of the other parties, that he gets to be kingmaker. I wish it weren’t so. It’s no use stamping your feet about it. The only ray of hope is that he represents a declining demographic, which is a nice way of saying that his support base is dying off at a faster rate than everyone else’s.

    But what exactly are you suggesting? How would all the other parties get rid of Peters? Do you mean, from Government? Would National enter into a confidence and supply deal to ensure that? LOL

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  40. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    .and being Democrats. ..

    No, Redbaited, not for a long time. But I don’t have time to tell you about the Republican’s “southern strategy” and how the Republicans took advantage of the redneck backlash against civil rights, etc, etc.

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  41. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Jaffapety ; a redneck is far better than a deranged liberal like yourself.

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  42. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “No, Redbaited, not for a long time.”

    Just keep speiling that propaganda jafaboy…

    http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=racist+democrats&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

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  43. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    Anyhow, rednecks, racists or whatever, it is time for Helen Clark to heed the call for Peters’s head

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-will-helen-clark-act.html

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  44. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Unedited comment deleted.

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  45. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    So DPF, can you tell me which parties support you on this? Labour clearly don’t. National doesn’t – they’ve said that they would consider offering Peters the same position he holds now if it means they get to form a government after the next election. And I’m not sure if any other parties agree with you. So, when you say “calls to sack Peters grow”, what you mean is “the herald unofficially hires david farrar as an unpaid journalist, allowing them to cut another paid journalist from the pay roll, and some right wing representatives of the business community seize the opportunity to attack the government”. This has been a pathetic beat up from the start, and it has no legs as a story. I just wonder why you bother with it – you seem to be wasting your time.

    [DPF: First Roger Nome suggests I blog on behalf of the National Party. Now he suggests I am blogging on behalf of APN and the NZ Herald. Consistency is not the strong point]

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  46. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Oh gnomer any rational reason for the double post woger?

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  47. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    oh, ok, looks like I missed that Peter Dunne is supporting you on this one DPF. So you’ve got about 2% of parliament on your side. Keep going though, you may soon have Rodney trying to score some points off this one as well, then you’ll have 3% of parliament with you!

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  48. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Just keep speiling that propaganda jafaboy…

    Redbaited, it’s not just me speiling out that propaganda, but the chairman of the Republican National Committee too! Clearly he’s just a brain-dead libril infiltrator, because this is what he had to say about the Perublican Party’s southern strategy:

    [Washington Post, Thursday, July 14, 2005; Page A04:]

    It was called “the southern strategy,” started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue — on matters such as desegregation and busing — to appeal to white southern voters.

    Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was “wrong.”

    But what would he know compared to Redbaited?

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  49. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    [DPF: Wow such a nice generalisation. And people wonder why some Aucklanders are unpopular elsewhere in places liek oh Rangiora.]

    Who wonders? Where have they been? Oh, time for a latte…

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  50. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    From my cousin Bruce a cow milker from Rangiora and top bloke we both would like to suggest you shove that latte up you know where jaffa creep.

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  51. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    it really goes to show how paethically bad MMP is when JK has to even contemplate Luigi just in case he and his toe rag bag of imbeciles get over the 5 point mark.

    Thats why we asked for and were promised a referendum after we got to see MMP working for a bit. So we could make up our minds But these cretins called Politicans have highjacked the democractic process all to further thei own narrow self interersts.

    And we were promised it and the public record will show this at some place.

    Thats why we need to keep condeming the arseholes pollies and their supporters who continue to deny the will of the people.

    That aint democracy Thats something else that we cant speak of because said arseholes start up if anyone dares to speak the truth.

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  52. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    [DPF: Wow such a nice generalisation. And people wonder why some Aucklanders are unpopular elsewhere in places liek oh Rangiora.]

    Keep in mind that not all Aucklanders are like that wanker, only the ones between Ponsonby and Mt Albert.

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  53. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    [DPF: Wow such a nice generalisation. And people wonder why some Aucklanders are unpopular elsewhere in places liek oh Rangiora.]

    True, not like that nice generalisation by that lovely Don Brash (“Honest Don”, wasn’t it?) about “Mainstream NZers”.

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  54. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “But what would he know compared to Redbaited?”

    He’d probably know better than to rely on anything written in the Washington Post. Good grief..!! Are you for real?? Or do all leftwing Aucklanders live under rocks?

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  55. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Honest Don has more integrity than the entire Labour Party and you jaffawimp, you’re a disgrace to the city of Auckland you sad arse liberal licker. Real dorkland geek.

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  56. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Sigh, okay Redbaiter, here’s the apology from a newspaper that’s more your level…

    “Posted 7/14/2005 11:49 PM
    GOP: ‘We were wrong’ to play racial politics
    By Richard Benedetto, USA TODAY
    Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman apologized to one of the nation’s largest black civil rights groups Thursday, saying Republicans had not done enough to court blacks in the past and had exploited racial strife to court white voters, particularly in the South.”

    Wikipedia has a good account of the GOP’s southern strategy should you be interested in finding out about the racist strategy used to win (especially presidential) elections.

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  57. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Back to the thread! Seems the Herald has changed the story somewhat from that DPF reports above:

    Peters under attack for ‘bullshit’ criticism of Govt deal
    Updated 1:58PM Thursday April 10, 2008
    By Audrey Young and Fran O’Sullivan

    Mr Goff said the trade deal was good for New Zealand, and described criticism to the contrary as “bullshit”.
    Today he told the Herald his comments were generic and not directed at Mr Peters personally.
    “It is quite in order for Winston Peters as the leader of NZ First and a supply and confidence partner to differentiate his position.”

    So, it’s the criticism that’s “bullshit”, which, based on the comments here so far we would all agree with; and not the “situation”. An interesting *clarification* on the Herald’s part. Now let’s hear no more talk about splits in the Labour’s ranks.

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  58. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Hey jafaboy, you’re right out of it man, if you think that the mainstream media (like the Washington Post or USA Today) cuts any ice any more. When will you political troglodytes awaken to the fact that the party is over, and your control of information and opinion is a thing of the distant past? Every time you claim any political occurrence here, I have easily been able to rebut it as the partisan ravings of a mainstream media that has done nothing for decades but carry water for the left, and I can do the same in this instance.

    I already know of this tired old hackneyed propaganda piece by the left. Its time it was sent to the glue factory along with all of the other leftist legends, smear, fantasies and lies that have been exposed since the internet allowed people to seek the truth, and bypass your media agents like for example the Castro loving fraudster Dan Rather, the Klark infatuated Brian Edwards, the limp wristed pseudo-liberal Larry King and the rest. As for Wikipedia?.. Again- Get a fucken life. Infested with the worthless ravings of partisan leftists pretending to objectivity.

    Here’s what Mehlman actually said, and you can read it for yourself, and reflect on once again, how in routinely propagandising this as an apology and an admission, the desperate left have once again proved that honesty and candour are to them, completely foreign concepts.

    ——————————————————

    “By the ’70s and into the ’80s and ’90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong

    —————————————————–

    He’s not apologizing for any “southern strategy”. That’s just one more sad leftist beat up. …and there’s plenty of stuff out there disputing the claims of the left on this issue. Learn the lesson Jafaboy. Every time leftist knuckle draggers like you raise something like this, I can always refute it. Easily.

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  59. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Nice redbaiter, that’ll have jaffa plastic pete in a dorkland latte melt down.

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  60. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Redbaited, only a very few of your weird, ultra-right wing nutter mates would think that you have ever demonstrated anything here except your inability to mount a well-reasoned argument supported by credible evidence.

    “Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican Chairman to tell you we were wrong.”

    I guess saying that you were wrong is not quite the same as apologising, but the point you were trying to argue was that rednecks aren’t racist and that they are Democrats. What does he mean by benefitting from racial polarization? Here’s an example…

    You may recall their ads in Tennessee in 2006 against Democratic candidate for Senate Harold Ford (an African American). The ad featured a white woman with bare shoulders winking at the camera and telling Ford to “call her.” Racist, appealing to rednecks? You bet.

    Actually, the lunatic nature of some of your rants is genuinely disturbing. It will be a very sad day for NZ if Faux News ignorance and rabid coulter-style extremism ever takes root here in the same way that it has in places like Kansas.

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  61. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    Yeah, well, on 1981, I’d say that wasn’t anything like as bad as today, because the people who were just rabble-raising stirrers back then, are the “establishment” now. That’s why things are SOOOOOO going to custard……

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  62. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    gd says:

    it really goes to show how paethically bad MMP is when JK has to even contemplate Luigi just in case he and his toe rag bag of imbeciles get over the 5 point mark.

    Thats why we asked for and were promised a referendum after we got to see MMP working for a bit. So we could make up our minds But these cretins called Politicans have highjacked the democractic process all to further thei own narrow self interersts.

    And we were promised it and the public record will show this at some place.

    We were – and it’s already happened. The legislation that enacted MMP required a Parliamentary review after it had been used in two elections. Thus in 2000/01 a Parliamentary Select Committee with members from all parties (except NZF, which opted out) carried out the review.

    However, it was effectively hobbled before it began. First, the House directed the Committee to reach its conclusions by way of “unanimity or near-unanimity”. Second, the small parties (which owed their presence in Parliament to MMP) held enough seats (32/120) to ensure that the “supermajority” of 75 percent of the votes required for Parliament to legislate major changes would never be reached.

    Labour and National could have chosen to combine their votes to form the ordinary majority needed to trigger another referendum, but they didn’t – partly because their leaders had realised the kind of power MMP gave them, and partly because 25 of their own MPs were elected via the List and those turkeys weren’t about to vote for an early Christmas.

    So in short, gd – we wuz robbed.

    Or, as the VUW Law Review puts it: “It therefore seems probable that a number of aspects of our current MMP system were adopted, not because of their contribution to the workability of MMP which was the Royal Commission’s primary consideration, but because they made MMP less desirable and served to entrench the positions of the two major parties”.

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  63. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Actually, the lunatic nature of some of your rants is genuinely disturbing.”

    ..and I should give a fuck that left wing dipshits like you are “disturbed”??? Even “genuinely” so?? Haw haw.. As I said- get a life. The times they’re a changin’ Jafaboy, and your commie bullshit don’t wash anymore. Get used to it.

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  64. Inventory2 (10,340 comments) says:

    So who is bullshitting who?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/04/bullshit-did-cullen-and-peters-mislead.html

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  65. Fred (163 comments) says:

    Rex, yes that’s what it’s come down to, list members and self interest. We end up not knowing know who stands for what, and true representation? With such a delicately balanced majority, enough has happened recently to have forced an early election under FPP, but what do we have? Louisa Wall plus one (or two) others enter parliament unelected. Mike Moore made the point tonight that there is no real “opposition” under MMP. Winston’s position on the FTA can’t have been a secret for both Labour and National, they both knew what was coming, hence the “we can live with it” approach, or does he have an ace?

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  66. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Thanks Inventory. The bit I liked most was…

    Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN: I am assured by Mr Goff that he made no such comment in relation to Mr Peters—
    Hon Dr Nick Smith: Yeah, right!
    Hon Dr MICHAEL CULLEN: Well, the High Court judge said to that member that he had committed a contempt of court. That ruling was on the basis that what he told the court was completely incredible. He is the only person in this House who has had a court decision about his credibility, which is nil.

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