HoS on smugness

April 13th, 2008 at 11:06 am by David Farrar

The Herald on Sunday editorial labels Horomia’s assertion some kids are going without breakfast to stay trim, as symptomatic of in the ranks:

Responding to such a serious and heartbreaking issue as child with glibness is something Prime Minister Helen Clark should have stamped out well before election year. The sight of our most amply proportioned cabinet minister suggesting hungry children are simply dieting was reminiscent of a certain French consort’s exhortation to “let them eat cake”.

I think the TV footage would make an excellent political advertisement!

As subsequent reports revealed, recent surveys show half of Maori households are sometimes, or often, running out of food. One in five Maori families is sometimes or often using food banks. Forty per cent of Pacific children go to school without breakfast – and not for slimming purposes. Those figures will only increase in the current climate of rising food, mortgage and petrol prices.

Derek Fox will be happy Parekura is so out of touch.

The Minister’s gaffe, though, is symptomatic of Labour’s wider issues. The party of the left sounds increasingly smug or out of touch with its core constituents. During its three terms in power, a number of its MPs have forgotten who put them there.

No different to a year ago when they denied there was an underclass.

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17 Responses to “HoS on smugness”

  1. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and how do your (new?) concerns for the plights of the hungry poor mesh with your desires for wholesale cuts to benefits/support for those poor..?

    or..do you have it all (neatly) compartmentalised..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  2. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    And what are you doing phule?

    Apart from being a self proclaimed, highly qualified beneficiary, literally making the pool of money smaller for those people really in need.

    Lifestyle choice indeed!

    You Sir, are well worthy of our contempt.

    And you have it.

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  3. Southern Raider (1,675 comments) says:

    Theres always money for smokes and beer though.

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  4. David Farrar (1,868 comments) says:

    Phil should not invent policy, but hey if that is what he thinks in his world.

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  5. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Phil should not invent policy..”..(?)

    i’m not talking about national party policy..

    i am talking about your historical/present? exhortations to ‘cut benefits more!’

    are you now disavowing those words..?

    (a flip-flop like that is called ‘doing a key’..eh..?..

    so would..at at the very least..put you in step with your leader..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  6. ghostwhowalks3 (387 comments) says:

    Smugness ?

    What the hell do they think the Working for families tax credits is all about.
    So for a low income family on $35000 with 4 kids they get $328 per week .

    see http://www.ird.govt.nz/calculators/keyword/wff-tax-credits/calculator-wfftc-estimate-2009.html

    Can I repeat that for optically challenged $328 per week( allready up and going)

    And that will allmost certainly dissapear under Slippery John and his co leader Simon aka Bill English to be replaced by say
    $15 per week while those on $150,000 get say $500 per week

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  7. Craig Ranapia (1,913 comments) says:

    And that will allmost certainly dissapear under Slippery John and his co leader Simon aka Bill English…

    The smug, slippery and reality-challenged GhostWhoLies is “certainly” making shit up again… Must be one of those days that end in Y.

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  8. ghostwhowalks3 (387 comments) says:

    Well Craig living on the North Shore must have darkened the hue of your rose tinted glasses

    John Key has been clear National would slash elements of the Working for Families package to fund tax cuts,” Steve Maharey said.

    It is clear that National’s tax cuts could not come close to delivering the gains under Working for Families, and would heavily disadvantage the nearly 90 per cent of income tax payers who do not earn above $60,000.”

    “National should come clean and admit to New Zealanders that they plan to scrap nearly half-a-billion dollars in assistance to families with children.”

    Of course Slippery trying to defend going beyond cuttting the second half of WFF would be a wonderful sight. maybe even worth letting him play at being PM for 12 months or so, then again vacillation is his strong suit. Thats why English is there to put some spine into him

    But look at Slipperys own words
    (Hansard, November 16, 2005):

    Key: “I want to finish by talking about the Working for Families adjustments… National members will be opposing this legislation with every bone in our bodies.”

    But for their alternative ?

    Key: “We’re not going to go into an election without complete and clear transparency of how we’ll handle everything from Working For Families, KiwiSaver and tax but we’ll do that within plenty of time” (RNZ, 23 May 2007)

    Bet come election time that will be broken as Lockwood Smith has allready stated its too hard or he doesnt have the intellectual stamina

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  9. dad4justice (7,898 comments) says:

    Hey Ghostywhotellsporkies – when is the WFF package going to impact on appalling child abuse statistics?

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  10. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,077 comments) says:

    Ghostwhowalks3:

    DPF puts up a thread about Horomia – and, predictably, along you come with more dribble about Key. Got anything to say about Labour’s chief pie taster?

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  11. Rex Widerstrom (5,307 comments) says:

    It must be tempting for the headline writers to have “Idiot says something idiotic” already pasted up and ready to go each day because there’s barely a day goes by when some politician doesn’t make this sort of ludicrous gaffe.

    Leaving aside the issue in this particular instance, I’d pose a bigger question – how did we end up with these people? The best that even Labour’s most outspoken supporters like GWW3 can do with something like this is try to obfuscate and avoid all mention of the actual gaffe. There’s no way an intelligent person wants to own a statement so astoundingly stupid.

    Similarly, buffoons abound in most parties (Brown, Clarkson etc) and regularly place their ignorance on display.

    Yet these 120 people are our leaders. They are meant to be the best of the best. They’ve gone through rigorous pre-selection scrutiny to be chosen as candidates. And this is the best the parties can do?!

    Only two conclusions are possible. Either they are the best, and the standard of people wanting to enter politics under any flag is appalling; or many better, more intelligent people never make it through the selection process, in which case the parties are doing us all – and our democracy – a grave disservice.

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  12. WraithX (295 comments) says:

    Perhaps worse is a New Zealand Newspaper still perpetuating the myth that Queen Marie Antoinette said “Let them eat Cake” when it was, in fact, said by a princess in a book written by Rousseau when Marie Antoinette was still a very young girl (and not Queen of France). And the term was “let them eat brioche” and even the fictional quote should be known in context: in France at the time, if a baker ran out of cheap bread, he was obliged by law (a law enacted to help the poor) to sell his expensive bread at the price of the cheapest bread. This was to force bakers to produce enough bread to feed everyone, rather than a few loaves of cheap bread and then a whole lot of expensive brioche (bread enriched with eggs and butter). The Straight Dope clears it up here: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_334.html

    Maybe our papers can start reporting facts – instead of spreading fictions!

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  13. Peak Oil Conspiracy (3,077 comments) says:

    Rex:

    Great stuff – and very eloquently put. This comment of yours particularly resonated with me:

    The best that even Labour’s most outspoken supporters like GWW3 can do with something like this is try to obfuscate and avoid all mention of the actual gaffe.

    This is election year. Labour’s had 3 terms in power. They entered office in 1999 on the back of an “it’s time for change” campaign – and I’ve yet to see compelling reasons why the same modus operandi shouldn’t apply in 2008. That doesn’t necessarily mean National’s earned its stripes, mind you.

    It’s time for Labour to defend its record – not deploy weapons of mass distraction (Craig Ranapia’s registered TM) in political debate. However, with the likes of political communicator Claire Curren in the Labour tent, I expect Labour’s going to peddle more labels like “Slippery John” and avoid debating the substantive issues. It certainly won’t help their cause if ministers, such as Horomia, look out of touch with the public.

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  14. Southern Raider (1,675 comments) says:

    GWW3 and how exactly does WFF encourage that person with 4 kids to earn more than $35K?

    It doesn’t, it cements that family into a low income trap for ever.

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  15. Craig Ranapia (1,913 comments) says:

    Well Craig living on the North Shore must have darkened the hue of your rose tinted glasses

    Um… could someone tell me what that’s supposed to mean? Anyway, Ghostie, and I’ve seen little evidence that Steve Maharey has either precognitive psychic abilities or much chop in National Party circles I’d treat your latest attempt at fiction with the disrespect it deserves.

    Meanwhile, does any have any evidence that there’s a whole generation of kiddies with eating disorders being enabled by their caregivers? Or perhaps there are some things that deserve a little more serious attention than that of a man who has the dubious distinction of being able to speak bilingual gibberish?

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  16. Ms. (13 comments) says:

    Yay Ghost, I am part of the 10% of the population who earn above $60k – how wonderful!

    And look at all the things that helped me focus:
    solo mum
    immigrant
    special needs child – Aspergers
    no family support
    no government support

    Amazing I even got a career going….and yes I blow my own trumpet as I am damn proud of my achievements, which include a high achieving teenage son who will be a great man one day.

    Working for families doesn’t help me as I earn too much – let’s go tax cuts, bring them on, reduce the benefits!

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  17. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    PhilU cant speak for DPF or anyone else but just for you .

    I dont want to see any benefit cuts .

    What I want to see is adequate benefits going to those in genuine need and being spent in a responsible manner

    I dont want to see frauds and theives getting beneifts they aint entitled too.

    I dont want to dumb arses pissing the benefit up against the wall or shooting up whilst the children go hungry or without shelter and clothes.

    I dont want to see arsehole politicans using the poor like the Socialists Scum do as cannon fodder for their propoganda

    And you know what Philu

    As a taxpayer Thats right remember me sunshine I reckon I have every right as the -payer to demand the things I want happen And happen NOW

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