How they came up with the logo for the Beijing games

April 4th, 2008 at 1:22 pm by David Farrar

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Got sent these by e-mail. Harsh but funny.

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38 Responses to “How they came up with the logo for the Beijing games”

  1. Tane (1,096 comments) says:

    Damn, was about to post that myself! Very good cartoon anyway.

    [DPF: My God, that is twice this week we have agreed on something. Rumours will start of a new Kiwi Standard Blog :-)]

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  2. labrator (1,744 comments) says:

    You guys agree on something!

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  3. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    That is one of those “If it isn’t true it should be” moments! And with the Chinese government, entirely plausible.

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  4. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    oh my god, ***ZING!!!!***

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  5. infused (634 comments) says:

    Welcome to 6 months ago… this image is so cOLD

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  6. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Still, you are going to wear “made in China” aren’t you, or try buying something not made in China

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  7. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    DAMN GOOD,SO TRUE opps the tossier left will have me tagged as a racist ( BUT not as a FREE THINKER)

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  8. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    If your looking for a dig,

    Will the next US olympics have the outline of a person on the execution table with a lethal injection, or the outline of an electric chair?

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  9. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    PS paul our new (friends) know all about death,user pays,the shot pay for their death bullet , hell a high end export , under the FTA , we could slice and sell body parts supplied by our new best friend ( ie KILLED IN CHINA but sliced in godzone NEW ZEALAND 100% pure and natural) fresh kidneys shot and processed within 24 hours.ie USA, killed to order,for export.

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  10. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Funny guy.

    Or perhaps a US pro-lifer could bomb a clinic and sell the body parts to China to then export to us, which we feed to cows on the pristine Canterbury Plains to sell back to China as milk powder for the ‘one child policy’ parents, and thus the pro-life maniac has come full circle and saved a life by taking one.

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  11. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    grasping at straws ,paul arnt you , its not the chinese workers im against but the ARSEHOLE communist eliite ,ie party members and the generals, with the wealth from their slave workers in their pockets that YOUR helen davis has toadied up to, and going to f*ck our country for a few pieces of silver for, and she will be out of here before our countries f*cked.Theres Bad times comming for the NZ worker i can forsee. (PROVE ME WRONG) leftists

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  12. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    And J

    how are the “arsehole” communist leaders any different to the ‘arsehole’ US leaders.

    Only history will prove you wrong.

    Helen Davis? what has the Sci Fi writer and Lego constructor got to do with NZ politics, or is there more conspiracy to life that I am aware of.

    http://www.sff.net/people/dragonwriter/

    But if you are so concerned how and when will National repeal this, and in their rush for a FTA with the states (the most protected border in the world) will the Kiwi worker be in even more shite as a result of that sucking up?

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  13. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    This is excellent anslysis by Paul

    Tens of millons dead, Countless fuckups by a dictatorial government system over decades. Countless Western leftists flocking to it all as the ‘true’ way compared to the fuckups of the USSR. Then it all crashes and burns and the vanguard turns to the very system that they rejected in the first place.

    And now they complain?

    Will the Kiwi worker be in even more shite?

    O yes!

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  14. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Tom

    HAS National said they would repeal this???????????

    Tom I don’t support Labour.

    Tom how are 100,000 dead Iraquis on the bases of out and out lies (as confirmed by the Pentagon just last week) any less important???

    China is evil when it comes to Human Rights, but how (and do try to answer this) was G W Bush’s veto of a health Bill that would have given primary health care to 30Million kids in america any less evil. 30million kids would have had primary access to health care but Bush said no, oh yeah that’s Corporate Democracy at it’s best. Evil bastard.

    And I’m not sure when any half intelligent Socialist ever thought that Stalin’s Soviet Union or Mao’s China were ever a good idea, well none of the socialists I know of anyway. I really think that line of yours is one of the funniest pieces of fiction since the goon show “Countless Western leftists flocking to it all as an the ‘true’ way” make me laugh – your perception is oh so wrong sunshine.

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  15. kiki (425 comments) says:

    US also executes people with out trial.

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  16. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    Paul ,i guess you have had a SHIT of a week,you seem a little agitated, but soon thousands of cheap sex workers flooding in from china can massage your tense back, and there will be happy posts from you,who knows , only helen davis knows

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  17. jafapete (766 comments) says:

    Paul, “Helen Davis” is what passes for humour amongst the kiwiblog right. Pathetic, isn’t it? But I’d like to see him say it to her face!

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  18. hubbers (221 comments) says:

    Why were they ever given an Olympics … Toronto must be fuming.

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  19. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    F*CK jafapete can you set it up, f*ck , no , dream on, the warty witch dosnt like the REAL world jafapete, f*ck im a printer in the EPMU,,we are rude and crude, am i scared jafapete, CAN YOU SET UP A FULL ON INTERVIEW,sorry no ,ms davis dosnt tell the truth? who knows , i saw Norman Kirk talk(inspiring) out side the WGTN TOWN HALL ON THE LAWN but i have heard a pile of porkeys from the person who is our leader???? , opps her new BEST friend is RED COMMUNIST CHINA , opps i could be shot in the back of my head jafapete, this is what our new friends , the red fuckers, the BIGGEST MASS KILLERS in history do.WHEN HAS AUNTY HELEN DAVIS HAD A HEATED DISCUSSION WITH A WHITE MIDDLE CLASS MALE NEW ZEALANDER(excluding television reporters) not peter????
    this is the question of the year/ decade,its a abstact question as the witch dosnt respond to WHITE NORMAL HETROSEXUAL MALES, excluding male tv reporters jafapete(you must come to WELLINGTON) and experiance our cafe scene.
    opps health warning ,my english can cause lefties to break out in pimples SORRY BROS,not
    ps the US dont shoot and harvest body organs as a everyday fact, unlike helens BEST friends.

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  20. dad4justice (7,722 comments) says:

    Kewl stuff J – right on dude.

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  21. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Pathetic isn’t it, that whenever there’s any thread that’s critical of China, all of the commies who plague this forum with their lies and smears and anti-western propaganda, turn it into a hate George Bush hate the US fest. Braindead morons make me want to vomit.

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  22. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    Hey D4J – why is Payne such an asset to the Nats? Do tell…

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  23. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    HAS National said they would repeal this???????????

    Of course not. They’re capitalists. Jeeez!!!!!! – and I had you pegged as a socialist true believer who really understood the dark heart of capitalism.

    Tom I don’t support Labour.
    NO, REALLY!
    Like Sonic and Roger Nome and ….. well every other ‘true’ leftist of the moment. Which is to say that, as much as you hate them you’ll vote for some other prick (the Greens ) who will support them in a coalition government – and then all will be well and your conscience will be salved.

    Tom how are 100,000 dead Iraquis on the bases of out and out lies (as confirmed by the Pentagon just last week) any less important???
    They’re less important than the prospect of a implanting a democracy in the heart of despotism?
    Oh but wait – that’s a dreadful equation – even though it’s 1000 times less dead humans than were sacrificed in the service of “to each according to his abilities”. That was justifable – and it’s not a lie! And it was not supported by millions of Western leftists for decades in the hope that it woould eventually all turn out well. Right?
    In any case I thought it was 500,000 dead Iraqis, but perhaps the Lancet is no longer de rigueur?

    China is evil when it comes to Human Rights, but how (and do try to answer this) was G W Bush’s veto of a health Bill that would have given primary health care to 30Million kids in america any less evil. 30million kids would have had primary access to health care but Bush said no, oh yeah that’s Corporate Democracy at it’s best. Evil bastard.

    Evil? Gosh, that’s not the sort of term I’d expect from a secular humanist. For example all such people I knew in the 1980′s laughed – really laughed – at Reagan’s absurd portrayal of an evil empire. That term belongs to a distant, primitive past that does not fit in our modern sophisticated age. I’m surprised to see you using it!

    And I’m not sure when any half intelligent Socialist ever thought that Stalin’s Soviet Union or Mao’s China were ever a good idea, well none of the socialists I know of anyway. I really think that line of yours is one of the funniest pieces of fiction since the goon show “Countless Western leftists flocking to it all as an the ‘true’ way” make me laugh – your perception is oh so wrong sunshine.

    …..half-intelligent…..ever thought…. well none of the socialists I know anyway…

    Indeed, that is truly funny in a deeper way – a Waiting for Godot way – than I think you can suspect!

    But then that is the basic problem.

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  24. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    Nuts! Missed the edit.

    (and do try to answer this)
    Ohhh – okay. How about Bush rejected another hysterical, jacked-up, emotive, guilt-laden claim by left-wingers to try and justify the creation of yet another USSR-style government department that can fuck over poor people while claiming it cares.
    Of course in a rationing situation True Believers would bound ahead in the queues in exactly the way that people with glasses did not in Cambodia. Sounds like Bush did the decent thing!

    Your rationalisation is….less evil?

    Hmmm!

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  25. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    The point of the USA allowing China into WTO free trade was because the modernisation of their economy would lead to a modernisation of their society (of the “The End of History” period – the New Millenium for Christian USA in this world).

    And China did signal they would ensure legal reforms to make foreign firms feel that their property rights were secure (that there was a recognisable rule of law).

    The point of awarding China the Games was to welcome this “modernising” China into the world.

    Unfortunately, some of the expectation has been lost in translation. They are moving to build a modern economy, they are working to become part of the global economy, they have in the past year or so become aware of responsibilities as a major power in the UNSC for global stability (the environment in which the global economy operates) but … – there is no sense of obligation on their part for much more than this. If the global capitalists, their business partners, sold it as a “modernising China into a human rights abiding free speech driven democracy society” arrangement to their democracy believing peoples, that was their affair not of any commitment made on their part. They might even say these same people also sold to their own peoples the idea of ending a WMD security threat and bringing democracy to Iraq as a justification for diverting trillions into some PNAC programme operation, and this was also a load of …

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  26. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    JSF2008

    and here endeth any resemblance you have with reality (normality), a little too much of those Ink fumes (yes I too have worked at UEB and Print Pac).

    I’ve heard of toxic shock from exposure to the inks, but it also seems to induce blogo-turrets – a little too much capitalisation. And anyone using the term “WHITE NORMAL HETROSEXUAL MALES” has deep seated sexual repression problems. What all those boys in their overalls a little too stimulating.

    You’re one super fucked up moron. Shouting the loudest doesn’t make you the mightiest, however it tends to leave one looking the stupidest. So you don’t like Helen, not a lot of us do, but you’re on the path to being the silliest to oppose her.

    If one is wishing for a little gramma correction, it is “WHEN HAS AUNTY HELEN DAVIS {ever} HAD A HEATED…”

    “US dont shoot and harvest body organs” nah, Columbine, Virginia Tech

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  27. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Red, not it’s not pathetic it’s called counter-argument and it’s a valid method of discourse.

    If China is thrown up as argument x, then it’s perfectly acceptable to suggest that x could also apply elsewhere and since the love affair with GW is the want of the right, then he’s a valid target, especially as hypocrisy, lies, deceit, death and dishonor are his modus operandi.

    How’s 100,000 dead Iraquis on false assumptions, not even real or imminent threats. How is this man not standing crimes against humanity charges at the Hague is beyond me.

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  28. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Tom, come on sunshine lets see what you’ve got, the literal come hither hand motion used in Kung Fu movies.

    “Tom I don’t support Labour.
    NO, REALLY!”

    OK so you don’t take a mans word, fair enough, are we meant to accept anything you say after this. Who said I voted Green, and who said I voted for any party that formed a coalition?

    “the prospect of a implanting a democracy in the heart of despotism” And this democracy is kicking in when?

    This may surprise, but the Godot maxim for me is a little less fascinating than the Gogol parody view. Tom your smug pseudo intellectual bravado is a silly game to be playing, it’s nothing more than a literal ‘hard on’ bought on by self adulation. But if it is your want to have one off in the pages of Beckett, who am I stop you – if that is your thing.

    Could I suggest a does of The Nose by Gogol?

    Oh and your edit of the supposed argument against primary health care of 30million kids is just sadistic. One of the primary roles of any government is to provide the means or ways in which the welfare of it’s most vulnerable are attended to. 30 Million Children in America are not some deamoniseable ‘towel heads’ from the middle east, they are the living breathing sons and daughters of the people of his country.

    So like the assumed threat of this fictional Al-Quieda Saddam alliance he destroys a nation, and on the assumed threat that the “programme represented a stealth effort to bring in government health care”, he destroys the primary health care of millions of his own people.

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  29. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    “Kewl stuff J – right on dude.”

    Dad it’s really unbecoming to praise your ‘other’ postings.

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  30. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Red, not it’s not pathetic”

    It is pathetic. You commies are so sadly unable to defend your corrupt and tyrannical political system that all you can come up with is childish attempts to divert.

    “it’s called counter-argument and it’s a valid method of discourse.”

    Its not anything like counter argument. There’s only you referencing the US. No mention of it in the original blog article. This is about China you ranting raving time wasting brain damaged fuckwit. ..and its not anything even close to a “valid method or argument”. All you are doing is making cowardly smears, lying, shifting the argument, and trying to avoid having to defend another typical outcome of the ideology you adore so witlessly and so completely.

    “If China is thrown up as argument x, then it’s perfectly acceptable to suggest that x could also apply elsewhere”

    As with 99.99% of what you write here, worthless assertion. You describe it as “perfectly acceptable”. It might be so to a fuckwit like you, but I suggest to any rational person, its far from perfect and far from acceptable. Its nothing more than infantile time wasting ranting and raving. An utter bore actually, and you should find somewhere else to write your pathetic childlike crap. Almost every thread here is full of line after line after line of the same pointless uninteresting unchallenging waffle. Just rambling mindless worthless vain self focused shit.

    “and since the love affair with GW is the want of the right,”

    No rightist I know is involved in any love affair with George Bush, one of the biggest spending socially liberal big government dickwads in American political history. But it doesn’t matter what your uninformed opinion is on that issue because this is about China, and the corrupt political system that is abroad in that country. A political system that is the brainchild of dumbfuck leftists like you.

    “then he’s a valid target, ”

    He’s not any kind of target and he’s for certain not a valid target. This is about China. If you cannot defend the obvious outcome of your totalitarian political system then fuck off, and cease boring readers with your pointless and never ending childlike waffle.

    “especially as hypocrisy, lies, deceit, death and dishonor are his modus operandi.”

    George Bush is due a lot of criticism, but the fact is that he is not guilty of one of those feeble allegations, and that worthless simple minded cowards like you persist in repeating such smears and lies over and over and over in your usual Hitlerian manner, does not make them true and never will make them true.

    “How is this man not standing crimes against humanity charges at the Hague is beyond me.”

    That something is beyond you does not make it any kind of mystery. I’d say most things that are simple and direct are beyond you, including the fact that George Bush is not suffering under any legal process because of the reality that the allegations of delusional mindless yellow backed smear merchants like you are completely worthless.

    The reason you want to divert every thread on China to an attack on the US and/ or George Bush is simply because you are embarrassed and completely defenceless at being confronted by such an obvious example of what happens when ruthless lying sneaking yellow backed power obsessed scum like you get the control you are consumed with.

    If you cannot find any means to defend your comrades, then stop wasting everyone’s time and bandwidth with off topic hate driven smears against GB and the US. Fuck off you silly little commie wankfest.

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  31. Flashman (184 comments) says:

    It’s OK to invest in Red China.

    It’s OK to be a tourist in Red China.

    It’s OK to import Red Chinese students and take their money.

    It’s OK to buy Red Chinese products.

    It’s OK to host Red Chinese big wigs.

    But….

    It’s Not OK to be a bit-player in an uncritical propaganda chorus for Red China.

    And

    It’s Not OK to say that Red China is worthy of hosting normal sport in its abnormal society.

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  32. GNZ (228 comments) says:

    I have to agree with Redbaiter here – it’s clearly an attempt to divert.
    It looks like we need a Godwins law regarding George bush.

    “In any debate where George Bush is not directly relevant* the first person to mention his name looses.”

    and of course
    “as any conversation thread goes on the odds of a person mentioning George bush tend towards 100% ”

    *an example of relevant would be a discussion of recent presidents of the USA not ‘an example of anyone I can say is similar to him’

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  33. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    Paul D4J isnt me,and its IPA that i have to breath,at work but i prefer merlot.

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  34. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    “Tom I don’t support Labour.
    NO, REALLY!”

    OK so you don’t take a mans word, fair enough, are we meant to accept anything you say after this.

    It would appear that sarcasm does not work with you unless accompanied by a big smiley. Perhaps I should have simply quoted Captain Renault:

    “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here”.

    Which is to say that, for one, I completely take your word that you don’t support Labour – having observed how far left you are from your many comments on this blog site I would have expected nothing less – and for a second, that such distancing means nothing if one is voting for a party that will undoubtedly keep them in power. Which brings us to this:

    Who said I voted Green, and who said I voted for any party that formed a coalition?
    Indeed, nobody did say that. A presumption on my part, but based on the reasonable speculation that someone as far-left as you would at least be able to vote for a party led by, and consisting of, so many “ex”-communists, with sprinklings of anarchists.
    Clearly you stand in splendid isolation if you can find nobody to vote for, though the degree of purity and fanaticism that implies could explain the bitterness of your ranting.

    ….. pseudo intellectual ……..
    It’s called mockery and as much as I appreciated reading your arguments in favour of public transport on another thread, the fact is that if you insist on unloading a series of brain-dead, thread-jacking cliches then such a response will remain sufficient.

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  35. SPC (5,334 comments) says:

    What’s really creepy is that no one on this right wing blog is criticising National for being the only party in parliament sending people to Beijing for the signing and voting in support favour of Labour’s free trade treaty agreement in parliament. Without National support there would have been no negotiations in the first place.

    You see it was not until the late 1990′s that the USA decided to allow China into the WTO and National was no longer in office to negotiate this agreement themselves.

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  36. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    i love the very long posts on shit that ten or eleven lines could cover, this from a two finger keyboard worker.
    paul, the elitist posters like you call me a fuckwit for my use of the posted english language , but then do i give a shit, i post and will be damned , and will get roasted and demerites, but then i have the guts to get roasted and will still get those shitty childish demerites BUT I POST MY THOUGHTS, and hell i have a right to be a free thinker, BUT TO ME MY POSTS ARE REVELANT they are my feelings.My family ,and country are my life, and not some crappy political system , that some posters seem compelled to defend, even if the female party leader they defend may be a university educated ,never worked a day in the real working world in her life,a politicaly street smart, person but is a out and out PROVEN liar. Its sad, been lead by a liar and a political group af elected people who are very loose with the truth,and could be classed as liars;
    (caution )sorry bros i dont use spellcheck ,a spelling mistake could cause agression, and nasty responses

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  37. Robert Black (423 comments) says:

    a little embarrassing, I am a kiwi in bj and I got these pics like 6 months ago:

    Hi this is Robert Black from China. I have been here 7 years and have written two novels:

    The Control Sickness (about New Zealanders generally and their conservative English judgmental attitude);

    and The Fake Celebrity in China.

    Today my Chinese gf asked me why does New Zealand have no medals?

    I told her this:

    “New Zealand has a split culture. The Maori people, who came to New Zealand long ago, from near Hawaii. You know where Hawaii is?”

    “Yes,” she replied.

    “Well, before them, there was a peaceful race in New Zealand, called the Moriori. They were kind of fat and lazy, due to the abundant food in New Zealand. Anyway, it was their bad luck that one day the Maoris set off in their war canoes and there was a big storm that blew the South and they ended up in New Zealand. Now the Maoris were very different to the Moriori, they were big tough warriors and they were also cannibals. Which means they ate people. Anyway, to cut a long story short, the Moriori were wiped out. They don’t exist anymore. Kind of sad. Not only that, people now say they never existed, I mean how can they argue? They are all gone. But a western guy called King, wrote a couple of books about them and they can be found in most public libraries throughout New Zealand.”

    “Robbie, I’m bored, what has this got to do with the Kiwis getting no medals?”

    “Well, later, the English came, led by Captain Cook. They had rifles, but even then in the land wars they never really won against the Maoris. The Maoris are very big and tough. And so New Zealand has had two cultures for a very long time, and the economy is traditionally farming, quite poor, so lately our leader Helen Clarke has opened the doors to rich Chinese.”

    “I’m sleeping!”

    “Ok, I think, firstly it is lack of money for our athletes. No money for the proper training and coaches. Unlike Australia, our athletes have to do it all by themselves. Just like our artists. No wonder, so many of our elite athletes, artists, doctors and so on leave New Zealand. I am a victim of this, having to self-publish all my writing to date. I can sympathise with the athletes. Rugby supports and pays but few other sports. Secondly, there is little cultural harmony in New Zealand now. We have four main populations and cultures, Maori, Polynesian, Caucasian and English. As I said in my book The Fake Celebrity in China, it seems the expression, “She’ll be right mate! Have a go! And good on ya’ mate!” have all but disappeared in an era of the 70′s and 80′s when a comedian called Fred Dagg was around. His real name was John Clarke.”

    “Pauline?”

    “Zzzz.”

    Anyway, my books can be viewed at:

    http://www.poseidonbooks.com/fake_celebrity.htm

    and:

    http://www.bookhabit.com/book/182/The-Control-Sickness

    and:

    http://www.bookhabit.com/book/181/The-Fake-Celebrity-In-China

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  38. Robert Black (423 comments) says:

    so lame because I live in Beijng and saw this like 6 months ago. Is NZ so behind!? scary:

    grew up in the John Walker era.

    I have lived in China for the last 7 years and proudly tell me Chinese “feeonce” about Sir Edmund Hillary, John Walker, Buck Shelford, the America’s Cup and so on.

    I am trying to get her to New Zealand and I think she has got a bit wet about the idea.

    So now, the Olympics!!

    “Why has New Zealand got no medals when Australia has gotten so many?”

    The killer question. But I thought f… it, I will give her the truth!

    Well, I told her, New Zealand has some problems lately.

    “What problems!?”

    “Well, New Zealand has like split cultures, a bit like split personalities, but without the shrinks.”

    “What’s a shrink!?”

    “Like a mind doctor.”

    “I don’t understand!!”

    “Well, back in the old days, like in the qing dynasty or something, there was a race of people called the Moriori. They lived in New Zealand and were like fat and lazy as at that time there was much food, like huge chickens. Bigger than ostriches!”

    “Really!?”

    “Yep, anyway, those guys were pretty happy, contented, but a race of people from near Hawaii set out on their war canoes. You know where Hawaii is?”

    “Of course!”

    “Ok, well, they were the Maori warriors, very big an tough. And bad luck for the Moriori, they got washed down in a storm to New Zealand. Thaty called it Aoteroa, the Land of the Long White Cloud.”

    “Cool.”

    “Well, not too cool for the Moriori. The Maori were cannibals, that means they ate people! So, the Maori killed and ate the Moriori. They chased them to the Chatham Islands and it is said the Moriori had a meeting, but being the peaceful people they were decided not to fight the Maori warriors. And so they were wiped out. The bones of the Moriori can still be found on the beaches of the Chathams if you go there. And now there are no more Moriori, all wiped, all gone.”

    “That’s terrible! How can the Maori not be punished!”

    “Well, the English came around this time too. They also did many bad things, headed by Captain Cook. And the English and the Maoris had what they call the “land wars” and at that time the English had rifles, but the Maoris were so tough, it was kind of a draw, but the Maoris were cheated out of many of their lands.”

    “But what about the Moriori!?”

    “Well, in fact, no on really cares about them now and in fact many people deny they existed. You know, how can a dead race argue? But a white guy called King did record their fate and his books can be found in most public libraries.”

    “But what does this have to do with the Olympics and New Zealand getting no medals?”

    “Well, New Zealand is a poor country. We don’t have the money to pay our athletes, even train them. It is like our artists, our doctors, our lawyers, out teachers, we all leave. I feel this, the only country to ever support my writing is Australia. So, as you said before, all the good kiwis go to Australia, or the UK. It’s called the brain drain, but also passes on to everyone, including our athletes.”

    “A big pity!”

    “Yes, but I thik it is more than that. The old sayings like “She”ll be right mate! No worries! Have a go! ” have all gone. In fact these were from the late 70’s and 80’s, from a guy called Fred Dagg, but even the real actor went to Australia, and I think those ideas went with him. Now we have cultures, Caucasian, Maori, Polynesian and Asian. It is not a harmonious relationship.”

    Anyway, my name is Robert Black. Search the internet for my books The Control Siuckness about the controlled nature of the New Zealand citizen and The Fake Celebrity in China, the truth about the Chinese.

    God bless.

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