McCain chooses Palin
August 30th, 2008 at 8:11 am by David Farrar
John McCain has made a great choice with Sarah Palin as his Vice-Presidential candidate. You could not get a more down to earth candidate, and she will help him significantly I think in appealing to working class voters – especially women.
She is Governor of Alaska and is their best traditions still hunts moose occasionally. She has also been a commerical fisherman.
She is very popular in Alaska where as she exposed severeal fellow Republicans for ethical breaches. She beat the incumbent Republican Governor for the nomination in 2006 and became Governor at 42. Her approval ratings have been over 90% in 2007 and as late as last month were 80% which is massive.
She is fairly moderate (for an Republican in Alaska!) on social issues. While against same sex marriage, she used her veto to over-turn a state law banning the state from giving benefits to same sex partners of state employees.
She has five children, including one son who has Down syndrome.
Palin won’t be a match for Biden on experience and policy details. But she will most definitely appeal to a lot of Americans as a politician they can relate to – who hasn’t got out of touch.
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August 30th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Palin supports drilling for oil, which McCain opposed. He may be about to change his mind- and thereby have a policy that will really appeal to the US middle class.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Harris County Democratic Party Chairman Gerald Birnberg said the selection showed McCain to be a hypocrite.
“I am absolutely stunned,” Birnberg said. “The vice-presidential selection, by McCain’s definition, is supposed to be the very best person to be president of the United States, after him. If he thinks . . . . she is the best person, that’s just stunning. It’s a reflection both on his judgment and on the hypocrisy of his campaign.
Your ass kissing post, David, shows just how out of touch you are, actually. Although you’re right, she is probably someone the majority of redneck, Pentacostal Americans can relate to. Fuck, if the Democrats were the party with sensible economic policies I’d be voting for the Obama ticket because free market ideology aside the Republican Party really are just America’s Destiny Church. I see zero difference between Palin and Brian Tamaki. Here’s what I wrote in the other thread: She sounds like a Family Party/Kiwi Party type candidate. Seriously, if McCain wanted to pick someone like her he might as well have gone for Huckabee, who has the astuteness and smart thinking expertise to be VP, not some hard-conservative anti-gay bigot who was obviously selected only for her gender. This makes the Republicans look like a joke – Romney was clearly the best choice considering McCain knows fuck all about economics and needed someone who actually knows how to run a country.
Some quick Wiki facts: Palin is pro-life.[37] While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in schools;[38] however, she noted she would not use “religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism” as criteria for selection to the school board.[38]
She opposes same-sex marriage, but she has stated that she has gay friends and is receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.[16] Palin complied with an Alaskan state Supreme Court order and signed an implementation of same-sex benefits into law under protest, stating that legal options to avoid doing so had run out.[39] [40] She supported a non-binding referendum on whether there should be a constitutional amendment on the matter.[41] Alaska was one of the first U.S. states to pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage, in 1998, along with Hawaii.[42] Palin has stated that she supported the 1998 constitutional amendment.[16]
Palin’s first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to the partners of gay state employees. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska’s attorney general on the constitutionality of the legislation.[40]
It’s convenient that you fail to mention that she is hardline anti-abortion David, and would like to overturn Roe v Wade.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:21 am
A creationist pro-life anti-gay Barbie doll. Yay.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:27 am
As I argued in my blog [not that I've been around long] Trig Palin’s Mom secures McCain’s appeal to conservatives while he can reach to the centre.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Five times more ‘woman’ than our plotter and schemer.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:31 am
If Harris County Democratic Party Chairman Gerald Birnberg is really stunned, then Houston really does have a problem. Vice Presidents are for balance; Presidents are the candidates.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:35 am
The vice-presidential selection, by McCain’s definition, is supposed to be the very best person to be president of the United States, after him. If he thinks she is the best person, that’s just stunning.
If Harris County Democratic Party Chairman Gerald Birnberg is really stunned, then Houston really does have a problem. Vice Presidents are for balance; Presidents are the candidates.
Idiots like you will say anything to defend the indefensible. If Helen Clark had selected Jeneatte Fitzsimons for Deputy PM you wouldn’t say the same thing. Look for the role of vice-president on Wikipedia if you’re really that retarded: to step in as President if the President dies, dipshit. Can anyone seriously imagine this religious nuthead with no foreign policy experience or economic background but clearly only has two attributes – having a pussy and voting against the “evil homosexual agenda” – running the country if McCain dies of a heart attack after one year?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Check her out for yourselves
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/163813.html
Then compare it to the politicians in this country
Also note Obama campaign sneery, graceless first response. About as classless as Reb.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:40 am
If Harris County Democratic Chairman Gerald Binberg was anything else than uncomplementary concerning McCains choice of Palin as his running mate then I would be REALLY stunned. He’s a Democrat; they’re Republicans …. Duuuuuh!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:45 am
I agree with David – Sarah Palin is a great choice for McCain and for America!
Just because she is beautiful is no reason to treat her like an egg-head?
The two things are not mutually exclusive!!!
A mother of five- (where do you see that in NZ politics) she is someone by all reports, who walks the talk.
Pro -life, she did not abort her recently born son, just because the test revealed he had Down’s syndrome.
I think she is an excellent running mate for McCain,
and I predict will be Vice President.
There is an old saying ” judge people by what they do, and not by what they say…”
Obama’s ego, would not allow him to put Hillary on his ticket,
although she had won nearly as many votes as he had, (18 million) it was morally the right thing to do.
He will not win because of it.
Go McCain!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:45 am
So Ross, you’re saying you agree that Palin is the best person to run the country after McCain?
She reminds you a bit of Mrs Huber doesn’t she, the Christian values bitch in Desperate Housewives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6TXDtD6Qt8
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:46 am
The Lady looks damn fine to me!!
And can hunt and fish!
All good stuff. Why don’t we have any good looking gals in Politics?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Maybe you knee jerk smearers calling her an anti-gay bigot can explain why you can call her that when according to Mr. Farrar’s post, “she she used her veto to over-turn a state law banning the state from giving benefits to same sex partners of state employees”. Frankly I’m sick to death of whining losers who can’t think of liberty outside the spectrum of lame subservience to every plank of the homosexual political front. The Declaration of Independence and the American Constitution make no exceptions for gays and lesbians, and rightly so. Sarah Palin brings so much that is positive to the ideologically confused McCain’s campaign. Shame to attack her on the narrow basis of her unwillingness to conform to trifling and fashionable pseudo liberal homosexual trends, and those that do need to get a life.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Actually, I reckon the Repubs should dump the politically weak and ineffectual ideological compromiser McCain and go with Palin for President.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:57 am
the McCain camp’s strategy in picking Gov. Palin could be as simple as this. As VP she would step in to the role if McCain is incapacitated or dies. Hilary believes that SHE would be the first female president of the USA. Now Hilary has to make a choice
Vote:about what to do. Does she risk McCain winning and then having to hand over for some reason (remember the Dems have made an issue of McCains age) or does she throw all her support behind Obama and throw away the chance of ever becoming First Lady in her own right. Decisions decisions
August 30th, 2008 at 8:57 am
It’s convenient that you fail to mention that she is hardline anti-abortion David, and would like to overturn Roe v Wade.
So would a significant proportion of the US political establishment including several past presidents. Do you have a point?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:58 am
# radvad (224) Add karma Subtract karma +2 Says:
August 30th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Check her out for yourselves
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/163813.html
Then compare it to the politicians in this country
Also note Obama campaign sneery, graceless first response. About as classless as Reb.
Watching that really made me cringe. If what McCain was looking for was a conservative compare her to Huckabee here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssus8drbg-4
But really, he was just looking for someone who was young and had a pussy and would relate with the fundamentalist Christians that make up the majority of the American public.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Does she risk McCain winning and then having to hand over for some reason (remember the Dems have made an issue of McCains age) or does she throw all her support behind Obama and throw away the chance of ever becoming First Lady in her own right.
She has been first lady for eight years. Besides given her wretched performance in the Healthcare and the Primary, no sane person in the country should trust her with the presidency.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:00 am
The background of Row Vs Wade is extremely complex, and I was never sure it should have been legislated at federal level, but there you go.
Interesting to note that no matter what the result, history will now be made by either a first African American president, or a first Woman V/P, only one heart beat away from the Oval Office with the oldest first term candidate ever in front of her!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Watch the pseudo liberal partisan pro Democrat liars that represent the core of the American mainstream media go half crazy in their attempts to smear this woman. As they did Thatcher and Reagan.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:04 am
I was never sure it should have been legislated at federal level
It wasn’t. It was decided by the Supreme Court which has no legislative power.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:08 am
Hmm librarian specs, anorak and a pearl necklace. Three of my favourite things.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Actually now that I think of it she really reminds me of the stupid religious right woman who took over Bruno Gulliani’s role as advisor to Arnie Vinick after he was losing conservative support in the West Wing elections – a woman who represents the Bible bashing ideals of the Religious Right generally filled by male pastors like Brian Tamaki, but it’s better if it’s a woman. Palin is like the Deborah Coddington of the Religious Right in the US – conservative, hot to middle aged American men, really has no idea how to run a country but knows how to say the shit they like to hear. Perfect for McCain politically – shit for the progress of a country.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Coddington Conservative? Coddington has done nothing for years but bash Conservatives. Go away you sad out of touch one issue ranter.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:19 am
I’m pro-choice but I think Roe vs Wade was wrong.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:24 am
I’m pro-choice but I think Roe vs Wade was wrong.
A position shared by Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:25 am
I didn’t say Coddington was a conservative – that’s why I specified “to the Religious Right” fool. Answer me this Penisbiter:
1. Do you think Palin is the next best person after McCain to be President of the US?
Vote:2. Do you think she is a better choice for the VP than Mitt Romney/Mike Huckabee/Ron fucking Paul?
3. Do you think she has the necessary economic and foreign policy experience to be running for such high office?
4. Besides tax cuts, which pretty much every Republican supports anyway, and some sensationalist pro-life story about not aborting a baby with Downs syndrome, name some of her political views and policies and achievements which you think are fucking great and Presidential candidate worthy material.
August 30th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Actually now that I think of it she really reminds me of the stupid religious right woman who took over Bruno Gulliani’s role as advisor to Arnie Vinick after he was losing conservative support in the West Wing elections
Unfortunately the rest of us prefer political analysis grounded in the real world, not television shows.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:27 am
It’s fundamentalist Christian meatheads like you that make the US elections one issue races… Over homosexuality, abortion… And plus… How can I be anything but a one-issue ranted when McCain has selected a one issue VP candidate who seems to have no credentials besides being a woman version of Brian Tamaki?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am
I guess now McCain has appointed a “Geena Davis” clone they will be dusting off old episodes of “Commander in Chief”. Now remind me, what happened to the old white dude who was President in that series?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:32 am
“…But really, he was just looking for someone who was young and had a pussy and would relate with the fundamentalist Christians that make up the majority of the American public…”
I’ve realised this morning that there are at least two posters here I never want to hear from, or see in print, again.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:35 am
“…But really, he was just looking for someone who was young and had a pussy and would relate with the fundamentalist Christians that make up the majority of the American public…”
I’ve realised this morning that there are at least two posters here I never want to hear from, or see in print, again.
Give me a different reason for why McCain selected her then? Seriously, justify her selection with anything but she is young and female and therefore a good selection. Are you Republican ass kissers capable of any debate at all besides giving me negative karma and saying “she is a Republican and not a Democrat and that’s good enough” or “she is hot like Heather Roy and has five kids”… Come on, anything to give this woman some any credit besides bullshit. Foreign policy experience? Domestic achievements? National bill passing outcomes? Job creation, productivity growth, business experience, etc? Don’t just fucking say well that’s no different from Obama… I already fucking know that, just because she is inexperienced like Obama doesn’t mean that justifies her selection. Give me some good reasons to change my view and lack of respect for this woman who seems to have achieved nothing in her entire political (and personal) career besides spout Family/Kiwi Party bullshit and voting records.
[DPF: He selected her partly because she is a very popular Governor, partly because like McCain she has shown a willingness to do what is right over party loyalty. Her constituents in Alaska obviously think she is governing well. I give her huge credit for saying no to pork barrel politics when Alaska has been so dependent on that pork. Her experience is not great, but I like her character - she actually believes in somethin]
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Here’s why I think Palin is a great choice.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:45 am
And that’s now a guaranteed win for John McCain. Another four years of Republican leadership. Excellent.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:46 am
“I didn’t say Coddington was a conservative”
You did- “Palin is like the Deborah Coddington of the Religious Right in the US – conservative,” I’ll accept the explanation that is perhaps not what you meant.
“1. Do you think Palin is the next best person after McCain to be President of the US?”
Damn right. Actually make a better President than the politically weak McCain, too influenced by the weak pseudo liberal mainstream media to be an effective Republican politician. Palin has a mind of her own, and a good Conservative mind. That’s what is needed.
“2. Do you think she is a better choice for the VP than Mitt Romney/Mike Huckabee/Ron fucking Paul?”
Damn right. Romney and Huckabee have nothing like the credentials that Palin has. Palin took on such pseudo Conservatives of the Republican Party in Alaska and destroyed them, cutting their spending plans and even selling the government jet on E-bay. She was rumoured to be Paul’s running mate. Paul has no real idea, and is lead astray by idiots like you who think the core of liberty revolves around homosexuality. He also courted the 9/11 truthers during his presidential run. Palin is streets ahaed of Paul in political nouse.
“3. Do you think she has the necessary economic and foreign policy experience to be running for such high office?”
Damn right she has. Sarah Palin has had more executive experience, meaning experience in running either a business or a government, than either the charlatan Barack Obama or his running mate, Joe Biden. She has more executive experience than even John McCain. Governor Palin served as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska from 1999 to 2002. She was elected as President of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. She was elected as Governor of Alaska in 2006.
“4. Besides tax cuts, which pretty much every Republican supports anyway, and some sensationalist pro-life story about not aborting a baby with Downs syndrome, name some of her political views and policies and achievements which you think are fucking great and Presidential candidate worthy material.”
She hunts moose and eats moose burgers. She’s pro gun rights. She’s pro drilling for oil, even in Alaska. She is anti-corruption. She served as Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004, when she resigned in protest over the actions of her fellow Alaskan GOP leaders. She was furious over the fact that they ignored her reports of rampant GOP corruption. When she chose to run for Governor, the GOP establishment ignored her and supported the incumbent Murkowski. Palin beat him, and went on to beat former Democratic Governor Tony Knowles with no support from Alaskan GOP leadership.
She’s got guts, commitment and she’s the antithesis of whining communist America haters like the sickening Nancy Pelosi. A breath of fresh air amongst the stench of progressive politics that pervades in the US today.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Here’s why I think Palin is a great choice.
Hey Reb, you sound like you need a bit of a lie down if the choice of Palin is freaking you out that much.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Good response Redbaiter – see, that was the kind of response I was looking for – if you had posted it earlier in the thread it would have saved the discussion earlier. That is good you brought up her strong anti-corruption positions.
Lucyna – I’m pissed off because he didn’t choose Romney, who has the necessary economic experience to run the country’s economic policy, complementing McCain’s foreign experience.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:01 am
There are several distinct issues here.
1) Is she ready to be president on day one?
The answer, I think, is clearly “No.” But then, it is very unlikely that she will need to be. Despite his age the chances of McCain dropping dead or going gaga in the short term are slim. She will have time to learn. Will she be ready in (say) four years time? Maybe. That is more a question of temperament. Does she have the potential? I don’t know.
2) Is she an enlightened person?
The answer is necessarily subjective, and for me it is “Yes and no.” Like many other posters I disagree with aspects of her social conservatism. But her commitment to reform of government, for example, is good.
3) Will she help McCain win the election?
Maybe. She is a very risky choice. She may be very likable to ordinary middle class voters who admire Hillary Clinton. Her social conservatism – extreme by NZ standards – is pretty moderate by American standards (it should be noted that Brian Tamaki would probably count as a moderate over there). But her limited experience makes it likely she will be perceived as a gimmick, chosen for her gender.
I am not at all sure she is the best choice, but I hope she proves otherwise.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Great choice, giving McCain the title of master of change which he has a record of in the senate, much to the concern of even his own GOP members. Ethics and a female perspective are needed now in the US. Sarah Palin has both.
Vote:Palin has hunted relentlessly against the master of pork in the US senate Ted Stevens(the architect of the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska and stopped by Sarah Palin) and Don Young another long term Congressman who has been there since the year zero and is currently under ethical scrutiny.
McCain has produced a brilliant choice, out of left field. People say that Palin isn’t experienced, perhaps that is good as she is the only Washington outsider in the presidential field.
Palin will represent that small American town or rural area. Not a shiny backsided lawyer with a corporate background.
For too long the Dems have claimed they are the promoters of female voters. The clobbering machine got Clinton, all we get from the Democrats is a plagiarisng US Senator of 36years service who has had three failed efforts for the White House.
Lastly, Palin is an administrator of a state with real environmental issues,Alaska.
What has Obama run ? Nothing . Biden was a member of a small Delaware town council when elected in 1972. To be honest, McCain hasn’t run anything, but his life story and senate actions fill that void.Obama has a blank page in the senate and Biden’s efforts as an attack dog are his greatest contribution
August 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Here’s why Palin is a better choice than Romney- Romney was another Republican in name only, who talked the talk but had not in his past walked the walk. Although he professed to hold dear to small government ideals his past acts in government showed that not to be so. Like so many Republican’s (and so many Nationals) Romney says one thing and does another. Palin has simply done as she has said she would do. Even resigning when necessary. She has taken on the ideologically corrupt Republican establishment in Alaska and beaten them. Palin should have been the Republican choice for President.
We need a Sarah Palin here in NZ to clean out the ideologically corrupt and politically ineffective National Party.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Wow Beauty and Brains She will appeal to the good ole boys in the Mid West and the South And there are a lot of them
methinks John boy just won himself an election
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:07 am
“Like many other posters I disagree with aspects of her social conservatism.”
..and this “disagreement” is the political wedge that has allowed the left to remain politically ascendant for so long.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:07 am
How tiresome is some of this drivel. A dead dog’s donger can run an economy. We’ve had one running ours for nine years.
People will vote for people they like and trust. Experience and policies come second and third. A VP’s purpose is to provide balance and to ATTRACT VOTES. Some of the best ever American presidents had little experience – remember Truman?
By hell Metcalf, I hope I never have to go against you in court. Can’t you just despatch him for good? Somehow?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:12 am
I’m forced to do this, you know.
How tiresome is the drivel writ
Vote:By pundits juvenile
Whose absence of acerbic wit
Makes way for useless bile
August 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am
yes it’s seems to be a good choice. at least from what I know.
Vote:Probably much better than Obama’s choice of Biden although it looks like McCain is going for the total vote win rather than directly for the electoral college win. That could be a flawed strategy.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:17 am
BTW S. Russell- it is not in reality “social conservatism”. Its merely the old fashioned political and social ideas that working middle class citizens prefer over those of the progressives. Ideas that did society well enough over the ages, and actually provided much better outcomes than the rampant immorality and the resulting huge welfare and crime bills that taxpayers today bear the cost of, and are the legacy of the socially destructive ideas of the so called liberals/ progressives.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Eighty and ninety percent approval ratings. Why is that? Because she hears the long suppressed voice of the working middle class, and has the guts to stand against the social domination of the yelling screeching progressives. National- take a damn good look.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:31 am
“3. Do you think she has the necessary economic and foreign policy experience to be running for such high office?”
Vote:Do you think Obama has, Reb?
August 30th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Eighty and ninety percent approval ratings. Why is that? Because she hears the long supressed voice of the working middle class, and has the guts to stand against the social domination of the yelling screeching progressives. National- take a damn good look.
80 – 90%??? Never happen in NZ – too many reliant on the states tit to get poll ratings that high for the Nats.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am
“3. Do you think she has the necessary economic and foreign policy experience to be running for such high office?”
Do you think Obama has, Reb?
I can see the Dems now: “The Repude VP candidate is only a half term Govenor from Alaska, she does not have enough experience to be the Vice president of this country”
the Repudes responce: “Your damn Presidential candidate is only a half term Senator with no executive experience – who the fuck do you think is more qualified?”
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:35 am
The choice of Palin as VP is clearly designed to give the disafected Hillary supporters a woman to vote for. Very clever.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:37 am
# KG (2) Add karma Subtract karma +0 Says:
August 30th, 2008 at 10:31 am
“3. Do you think she has the necessary economic and foreign policy experience to be running for such high office?”
Do you think Obama has, Reb?
*Rollseyes*
FFS, read my posts.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:37 am
I find your “Christian values bitch” comment to be deeply offensive Reb.
However I believe in the importance of free speech and I stand by everyones right to make a complete cunt of themselves publicly with offensive asshole statments.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:41 am
The Democrats have been outflanked again. Overtones of New Zealand here. Hels wanted to be New Zealand’s first woman Prime Minister but Jenny beat her to it. Hels really had a face like a slapped ass after that event. Now Hillary wants to be the first woman president of the US but it looks like Sarah Palin now has the front row seat for that job.
Oh what fun.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I find your “Christian values bitch” comment to be deeply offensive Reb.
However I believe in the importance of free speech and I stand by everyones right to make a complete cunt of themselves publicly with offensive asshole statments.
You’ve taken my quote out of context Murray you dumb cunt. Follow the Youtube link.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Reb’s constant references to television shows like ‘West Wing’ and ‘Desperate Housewives’ demonstrates the shallowness of his (and so many pseudo liberal’s) political perceptions. I don’t watch those shows Reb, or the multitude of similar shows pushing the same subliminal leftist messages. I prefer reality to progressive political propaganda masquerading as entertainment.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Poooor Reb.
Here’s an unpalatable prediction for you, Reb. The first woman President of the USA will be someone like Sarah Palin. Ditto the first Black President. Republican, strong conservative values. Nanny state liberals are too big a turn-off to the majority of people in the world’s greatest nation – that is precisely why it is so great. Get your head around it.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:57 am
so..the old guy..
..and the (just-elected) governor of alaska..
(a hotbed of reactionaries/fundamentalists/outlaws..)
(it is sorta like our sth island west coast..writ large..)
..whose prime qualification seems to be the ability to give birth..
..go figure..!.
.obamas’ victory certainties just got further cemented in..
..and hey..!..
..much like clark will eat key..
..and cullen will eat english..
.in the leaders’ debates..
..so will obama monster mccain..(who can doubt that..?..)
..and biden will demolish palin..
..oo-err..!
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Actually I just picked on one to save time.
You’ve been talking like an asshole cunt all day so suck it up.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:06 am
This is very similar to putting the king in check. We have to wait and see if it’s checkmate.
Palin will certainly add appeal to a lot of additional voters.
“…But really, he was just looking for someone who was young and had a pussy and would relate with the fundamentalist Christians that make up the majority of the American public…”
Vote:The creepy creep who wrote this should realise that if the majority of the American public relate to her – surely she is a great one for the job. Or is that not your idea of democracy Reb?
August 30th, 2008 at 11:07 am
He’s baaaaaack.
Hey hows the paranoia dopey?
Had any bannings form sock puppets today?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Oh, Reb, you ask about Sarah Palin’s “suitability”? Has it occurred to you that very many more Americans are dubious about OBAMA’s suitability? Son of radical parents, mentored and father-figured in youth by radical US Communist Party activists, moved into politics through the most radical left wing of the Democratic Party in Chicago, got the nomination as candidate by heavying tactics akin to those by which the Unions influence Labour Candidate selections here, had one term in the senate during which time he earned the “most liberal” tag based on his record of voting for legislation, picked the “third most liberal” senator as his VP……….(EDIT) oh, and I didn’t mention the radical “black power” people he associated with and I didn’t mention Pastor Wright. Silly me……..
If Sarah Palin was NOT on the ticket, where would that leave the “representativeness” of the people of America on the part of the 4 Candidates? It’s fine by you, of course, if around 50% of voters DON’T even have a Christian, conservative, freedom-loving candidate to vote for. Fine by you, of course, if the program for education and family law and so on are dictated by liberal socialists.
TYPICAL.
Spew, Reb, spew, you and all the other liberal Socialists – the Republicans have you licked in this one single move of PURE GENIUS – I wasn’t daring to be so optimistic as to believe they were gonna do this, but they have.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Hey, fellow Palin fans and Conservatives- check this link for Mark Levin Show discussion on Sarah. Mark Levin is (IMHO) the best Conservative commentator in the US. Take out the remove this-
removethis-http://citadelcc-WABC-AM.wm.llnwd.net/citadelcc_WABC_AM
(Can’t post the direct link.) Maybe someone with a local url can.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am
# Reb (88) Add karma Subtract karma –2 Says:
August 30th, 2008 at 9:49 am
“………Lucyna – I’m pissed off because he didn’t choose Romney, who has the necessary economic experience to run the country’s economic policy, complementing McCain’s foreign experience.”
No, you’re pissed off because McCain – Palin has a much bigger chance of WINNING THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION than McCain – Romney. Heheheheheheh.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Redbaiter, superb commentary and analysis all through this thread, take a bow, man.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Philu, welcome back – NOT.
“….so will obama monster mccain..(who can doubt that..?..)
..and biden will demolish palin..
..oo-err..!
eh..?”
Philu, what planet are you on? Which of Obama and McCain has thrown down the gauntlet for a series of debates, and which is wriggling out of it? And why? And can you show me one analysis of the next best thing, the Saddleback interviews, that handed the laurels of victory to Obama?
Here is one good assessment:
“No Contest”
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, August 18, 2008 4:20 PM PT
“Election ’08: Last weekend’s McCain-Obama protodebate made it clear why Obama won’t keep his promise to debate McCain “anywhere, anytime.” McCain, with a robust resume and details at his fingertips, won big.
It was only in May that Sen. Barack Obama cockily proclaimed he would debate Sen. John McCain “anywhere, anytime.” But in June, Obama said no to McCain’s challenge to have 10 one-on-one town hall meetings.
After what happened at Lake Forest, Calif.’s evangelical Saddleback megachurch Saturday evening, we may have found that debating is Obama’s Achilles’ heel………
“………To any honest observer, the differences between John McCain and Barack Obama have been evident all along. What we saw last weekend was Obama’s shallowness juxtaposed with McCain’s depth, the product of his extraordinary life experience.
It may not have been a debate, but it was one of the most lopsided political contests in memory. No wonder Obama wants to keep debate formats boring and predictable.”
SMACK.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am
I know where I would put my vote. Reading the Obama speech in all its flowery prose [and from all reports a polished delivery] I conclude: Zero, zip, nada in substance, a mere appeal to imagery. A big O.
Turn to the Repubs and we have an accomplished woman that has the rainbow warriors and progressives shreiking in anguish in a country 90 degrees of lattitude to the south of her home state.
Works for me.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am
LOOK AT THE DATE ON THIS: was this guy the first to make this pick?
May 21, 2008
“John McCain, here is your vice president”
By Nat Hentoff
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com
“In 2006, Sarah Palin became Alaska’s youngest and first woman governor after having earned a reputation as a determined and successful advocate of ethics reform in politics. In the primary, she defeated an incumbent Republican governor and then a former two-term Democratic governor.
During her first year in office, as reported by the Associated Press on May 10, she “distanced herself from the old guard, powerful members of the state GOP (and) stood up to the oil interests that hold great power in Alaska, and with bipartisan support in the statehouse, she won a tax increase on the oil companies’ profits.”
Last December, the mother of four children, Palin, four months pregnant, found she was going to have a child with Down syndrome, a condition characterized by moderate-to-severe mental retardation………
“Because of Palin’s reputation as a maverick, and her initial reduction of state spending (including pork-barrel spending), life-affirming Palin connects with voters and has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for John McCain.
She would be a decided asset — an independent Republican governor, a woman, a defender of life against the creeping culture of death and a fresh face in national politics, described in “the Almanac of National Politics” as “an avid hunter and fisher with a killer smile who wears designer glasses and heels, and hair like modern sculpture.”………”
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:50 am
An astonishing and brilliant choice.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Reb sounds like an intollerable bigot.
Vote:You are obvously very worried about messiah obama’s chances and throwing a temper tantrum ain’t gonna help!
August 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
You seem to think Reb is an Obama fan for some reason…
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
“Redbaiter, superb commentary and analysis all through this thread, take a bow, man.”
Appreciate your support Phil. Keep getting those (Conservative) ideas out there. Drives the left crazy.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Reb
I’m a little confused. You lament the fact that McCain didn’t pick Romney and yet he is just as socially conservative as Palin and whine on about Palin’s pro-life stance. Abortion is a bigger issue here than in NZ. Hey I’m a Romney supporter but can see why Palin politically makes sense. Romney is a better and more experienced administrator and would more easily step into Presidential shoes if needed. But the Dems would’ve concentrated their fire on Romney’s wealth and religion and these problems are not present with Palin. She took on corrupt government officials in Alaska and won – Biden is an inside the beltway hack. She has actually run something – the only thing Obama has actually run was the Annenberg Foundation that tried to introduce socialist policies into Chicago schools and guess who sat on the board with him – unrepentant terrorist bomber Bill Ayers.
PhilBest fisked philu on the debates very nicely.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Philu, you are in the shit now man, it looks like you have some serious competition. Reb looks like he will give you a run for your money. Just two questions, is there enough negative karma on Kiwiblog for you both?. Well it be handbags at ten paces?.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
All philu has to do to get negative karma is say ‘nice weather we’re having’, he will crush Reb like bug.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
As politically savvy as the decision may be, it is also incredibly risky to bring in such a relatively unknown candidate this late in the piece. Particularly as McCain’s running mate. As the Economist pointed out a few months ago (and others have picked up in this post) you simply cannot ignore McCain’s age and uncertain health. There is a very real possibility that Palin may end up as President sometime during the term, which means she will have to be subjected to much higher standards than most other VP candidates (she probably would anyway, because she is a woman, but that’s another issue…)
Palin has come pretty much out of nowhere. She now has just over two months left of the campaign during which time she will be subjected to public scrutiny and dissection of such intensity that it would drive most mortals over the edge.
Obama, by contrast, has had several months to get used to life as he now knows it. He’s made errors while there was still time for damage control. No such luxury for Palin – hers is a performance with no dress rehearsal.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Why do leftists make such a big deal about “the old guy” McCain and how “he’ll probably have a heart atack”…4 years younger than Mandela when he ran for President of South Africa…I’d bet none of the lefties were whining about his age back then…
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Portia
Vote:Given that McCain released his full medical records (which Obama has refused to do) and his most recent 6 monthly medical check up results, can you point to anything in either report that points to the “uncertain health” you allege?
August 30th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
“1) Is she ready to be president on day one?”
She has just a little bit more leadership experience than Obama did before he started campaigning. And how much leading has he done since then??
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I understand McCain’s mother is still alive at 93 and very active so there’s a chance he will be around for a few years yet.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
That’s why he wheeled her out as part of his primary campaign, if I remember correctly. Crass. Made his point though I suppose.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
FFS I’m so sick of people assuming that because I do not support Palin I must therefore be an Obama supporter, likewise in the other threads that because I attack John Key I must therefore be a Clark supporter. Dumbasses like PhilBest think that just because Palin is better than Obama or that Key is better than Clark therefore it’s OK that they’re crap leaders with crap principles (or no principles in Key’s case).
Yes I am aware of Romney’s Mormon views, but see this address he made on Faith In America, which really shows he doesn’t focus on it as a platform but rather sees his role as President to deal with and focus on economics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaR3SplytX0
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
By the way to clear this up once and for all – for those who haven’t caught on I am an ACT supporter, those who have been around the blogs long enough know that my previous aliases are TextBookHappyMan, stan, JesusCrux, RebelHeart… No fucking where near being a Leftie. It’s fucking pathetic that the best responses people give to my posts attacking conservatives like Palin and centrists like Key is that at least they’re not as bad as Obama. FFS, that is like saying hey it’s good National will be the next government, at least it won’t be Labour, when really three more years of National would be as fucking stupid for the country as the Bolger years without Richardson.
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