Hooten on Garner
November 5th, 2008 at 2:26 pm by David FarrarMatthew Hooton has a long post on why he thinks Duncan Garner was right to run the tape, but to put it in context. But he also gives an example of how the media may be relaying a lit, by not insisting on the full tape. His example is:
Labour Spy: Do you reckon Obama can win?
Key: Oh, I hope so, he’ll be a great president. I’m actually looking forward to meeting him if I become Prime Minister.
Labour Spy: But you don’t think Americans will elect a black president?
Key: Sure they will. There have been black mayors, black governors, black Secretaries of State, this is just the next step. Sure there is still a lot of racism in the US – I saw it when I lived in New York, even way up in the North-East, and it is worse in the South - I still think Obama can win and it will be good for the world.
Labour Spy: Oh come on, New Zealand wouldn’t elect a bloody Maori boy PM ….
Key: Just wait a second. I suppose you’re one of these racists who says ‘the American people aren’t going to elect some nigger boy their president, let alone have that black wife and those black kids in the White House. He’s not even really an American’ … but if you think that you’re in the wrong party pal.
Labour Spy: Maybe, thanks for your time Mr Key. I’ll go and talk to Bill English now.
And of course all that would be handed to TV3 is:
the American people aren’t going to elect some nigger boy their president, let alone have that black wife and those black kids in the White House. He’s not even really an American’
Now that is a made up example by Matthew but a useful example of why it is important for media to treat extracts with caution. And remember this Keystone Kop who did the taping was deliberatly trying to entrap people by saying things he did not believe in.
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November 5th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
But the truth isn’t news worthy DF.
Garner is costing TV3 a shit load right now
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Nice try Matthew Hooton, but I feel a Tui ad coming on.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Damned shame the country is currently plagued with DumbFuckToads…after National win the election this w/e, we really need to mobilize the pest control teams around the country, and eradicate these pests that have spread under the Green’s slime excretions!
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
For all that Matthew is trying to endorse what Duncan Garner has done, I think his hypothetical conversation and extracted quote show **exactly** why Duncan Garner and TV3 should not have run the tapes.
When all you get is a short sound-bite, extracted from a conversation, and with no context to frame the speakers words then surely any half decent journalists alarm bells should be going off that they’re in dire danger of being stitched up by a vested interest.
If Duncan Garner was sent the full conversation, and pointed to some key sentences in that conversation then fair enough. But as it is he’s just, in my opinion, become a partisan lightweight willing to be used by someone with a clear political axe to grind. That’s not journalism.
By all means Duncan, protect your sources. If they’re a real “source”. And if you can be confident you’re not being used. But from where I sit Duncan you look like a lightweight who’s prepared to cut corners and promote half-truths in order to get “the exclusive”. The only real newsflash here is that you’re a disgrace to your profession.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
It wouldn’t need to be a Labour spy who did it, either. The media are quite capable of doing it themselves.
In the midst of the controversy of NZF’s immigration policy I was going to be interviewed live one evening by a journalist who later went on to be a news presenter. During the course of the day I was rung several times by a researcher and almost exactly that conversation ensued…
I was asked all sorts of leading questions, including one about whether I was happy the National Front had expressed support. I said of course not (the NF had, just that day, thrown bricks through the windows of Somali refugees in, I think, Porirua, and shouted racist slogans).
Further leading questions were then asked about how I must surely welcome anyone’s support etc., so that would include the NF. In the end I got so pissed off with this line of questioning I said something along the lines of “…if you think I’m prepared to embrace the actions of a bunch of moronic thugs who threaten women and little children and scream s**t like ‘niggers go home’ out the window of a car as the speed away because they don’t even have the guts to face the people they’re harrassing, you’ve got no idea who you’re talking to”.
Cue that evening… the theme music rolls, the host introduces me. Her first question: “Did you, or did you not, use the phrase ‘niggers go home’ when talking to our researcher earlier today”.
I ended up taking the bastards to the Race Relations Commission for trying to incite racial hatred. While that embarrassed them slightly, as I said it didn’t stop the continued promotion of the ‘journalist’ responsible.
So yes, anything – and especially anything that makes the speaker sound bad – cannot possibly be evaluated without the proper context.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
“Damned shame the country is currently plagued with DumbFuckToads…”
They were introduced to NZ to keep the population of real greenies under control.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
virtualmark – as I said, it is difficult. I think Garner did make very clear the comments had no context. But I am not saying I am certain about my position here. It is difficult.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
“I think Garner did make very clear the comments had no context. ”
WTF does that mean? All comments have context.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
RB – that the comments he received had no context.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Rex – who?
That is a shocking story.
Out them.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Had a chat with a media buyer this morning who said TV3′s sales and marketing department is shitting itself.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I can see why Buggerlugs as the business sector that advertise with them is more likely to be disgusted with this shabby reporting.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Buggerlugs “Had a chat with a media buyer this morning who said TV3’s sales and marketing department is shitting itself.”
Whale Oil has a copy of an email from an ad buyer to TV3 saying they are missing out on six figures worth of advertising due to bias!
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=content/tape-gate-backfires-tv3
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Hooton. H O O T O N. O. Hooton.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
“Had a chat with a media buyer this morning who said TV3’s sales and marketing department is shitting itself.”
If that is true, I’d be surprised and pleased. Its the only way to get back at these democracy destroying arseholes who bite the hand that feeds them. Boycott them. Do not watch them. Do not listen to them. Do not buy their papers. Most of all- DO NOT ADVERTISE WITH THEM. ..and write to their advertisers saying you will not buy any product advertised on their station/ in their paper/ etc.
Their blatant bias for the crook Obama has totally ended it for me. When they should have been exposing Barack’s shady connections, they had plane loads of reporters in Alaska sniffing around Sarah Palin’s family. Scum who have betrayed the craft of journalism to their socialist political ideology. Real journalists would have exposed Obama as the fraud and charlatan he is as a simple matter of duty. As it is, we know nothing of him, and the useless partisan bastards daring to call themselves journalists haven’t even inquired.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Someone must have worked out who “Labour spy” is by now.
Tell us the name please, so we can be on the look out for this snake.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
I think what Duncan Garner should do, prior to playing the tape, is provide an example similar to that provided by M Hooten so that viewers can see how easily a comment can be taken completely out of context. This would render that recording completely irrelevant.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
The remark as reported was totally a non event.
The faux shock horror says more about TV3 and Labour than anyone else
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
tknorriss “This would render that recording completely irrelevant.”
Exactly why he didn’t. He wanted to look relevant, like a grown up reporter.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Jack5 – where’ve you been? The blogosphere has had the lowlife’s name since last night.
Try this – http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/11/secret-taper-kees-keizer.html – then follow your nose to WhaleOil’s blog, and you’ll find it all – chapter and verse, with links to the Labour Party
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Jack5 – DPF’s been giving hints for a while too -
And remember this Keystone Kop who did the taping……..
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Duncan Garner was no different at TV1. He is the most unprofessional reporter I have come across. He has HIS own agenda. TV3 may need to send him to be their Iceland Correspondent.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Thanks Inventory2 and Chicken Little, and good on Whale Oil for his nice work.
The snoop must have gone to the National gathering in disguise. From the photograph he needs only a fur cap to pass for a Bolshevik-era Red rifleman, though perhaps a shell shocked one. I would have sought a Russian translator before I said gidday.
Or perhaps the National politicians thought they were being polite to a retarded chap. Or did John Key think Kees might have been a distant Dutch connection of the family?
Any way give him his clogs and send him on his clomp-clomp way, and send bird-brain Emu with him for company. They won’t be able to sleep for keeping an eye on each other.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
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November 5th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
“Had a chat with a media buyer this morning who said TV3’s sales and marketing department is shitting itself.”
“If that is true, I’d be surprised and pleased. Its the only way to get back at these democracy destroying arseholes who bite the hand that feeds them. Boycott them. Do not watch them. Do not listen to them. Do not buy their papers. Most of all- DO NOT ADVERTISE WITH THEM. ..and write to their advertisers saying you will not buy any product advertised on their station/ in their paper/ etc.
Their blatant bias for the crook Obama has totally ended it for me. When they should have been exposing Barack’s shady connections, they had plane loads of reporters in Alaska sniffing around Sarah Palin’s family. Scum who have betrayed the craft of journalism to their socialist political ideology. Real journalists would have exposed Obama as the fraud and charlatan he is as a simple matter of duty. As it is, we know nothing of him, and the useless partisan bastards daring to call themselves journalists haven’t even inquired.”
HEAR, HEAR, Redbaiter. It is a fact that this Presidential election is a “do-or-die” last desperate effort by the MSM in the USA. They KNEW in 2004 when they failed to successfully anoint Presidente Kerry, that they were losing the battle to “new media”, and have been steadily losing ever since. But instead of changing their losing ways, they are staking everything on one last deperate gamble on a President, Senate, and Congress that they are sure to benefit from, in terms of outright dollars and cents of government spending, AND of course, censorship of their “new media” opponents.
If they fail to anoint Presidente Obama now, expect a few bankruptcies and takeovers to follow. The NY Times is already on the brink, and the prospective new owners are talking about full-scale cleansing of the editorial department……..
If this phenomenon is starting to bite in NZ too, GOOD. Among my reasons for expecting a McCain/Palin victory in the US, is that the media bias reached such sickening levels of excess that it is counterproductive. TV3 and their “tapes” may well be having the same effect. It’s not just Mr Hooton who is intelligent enough to fill in the spaces mentally like that, I suspect that MOST of TV3′s viewers are feeling that their intelligences have been insulted enough already.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Inventory2. I’d be thrilled if Whaleoil and others can clearly put a name to the bogus taper, and that would be a big story for any MSM outlet. I read Whaleoil’s post yesterday and I’ve since looked at what others have written too.
But, unfortunately, Cameron’s article basically just lurches straight out and says “the mystery taper is Kees Keizer, and here’s all Kees’ connections to the VLWC”.
I’m prepared to believe that Cameron’s right about Kees Keizer’s links to the unions, the Sub-Standard and the 9th floor. Good detective work Cameron.
But without seeing a lot more evidence I have to be cautious about taking Cameron’s word for it that Kees Keizer is indeed the bogus taper. I don’t know what evidence Cameron has to backup that assertion. And I don’t know that he’s got enough evidence for a big MSM outlet to base a story on, without running a real risk of having their asses sued off.
I’d love to see the bogus taper outed and have his hide nailed to the wall. But so far Cameron’s doesn’t seem to have a case against Kees Keizer “beyond reasonable doubt”.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I wonder if Garner will be forced ti issue an apology tonight, in an attempt to get back some of the lost business? I understand the reaction has been savage.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Virtualmark
Vote:I put a post in to Colin Espiner’s blog this morning suggesting he phone Kees Keizer for his comment. I even supplied his phone number at Devnet.
The moderator seemed to catch it though, it wasnt published!
November 5th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
double d asks:
She’s still working in the media in NZ, not quite as prominent as in the past but still… as someone who occasionally gets interviewed and is happy to take such opportunities to get my point across, I probably shouldn’t be making enemies of journalists, no matter how shabby their behaviour.
I’d add, however, that I’m certain it wasn’t political with her… she’s a nakedly ambitious person who saw a chance to advance her career by destroying that of someone else and took it. She’d have done it no matter what party I represented, but NZF was an easy target.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
His identity was confirmed by the National MP’s that were taped.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Cheers Whaleoil.
Was that because someone actually knew him? Or could they identify him from photos?
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
I figure a Dutch accent is probably also a bit of a give-away …
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Did he say thing like “toight loike a toiger” and “it’s a keeper!”
“Hey Bill, how about a schmoke und a pancake?”
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
What’s up guy’s. Garners efforts aren’t that much worse than TV1′s. Simon what his name is as biased as he can be, as is the total news making dept. They appear to be in Liarbours pay, which I guess they are whilst Helenin remains at her post.
Vote:Their reporting is much more sublime and that makes it much more dangerous.
Listen carefully to the scripts as they play.
They have been well taught by that Curran bird or her ilk.
November 5th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
According to Fran Mold, English questioned whether Obama was “man enough to go to war”. That is palpably dishonest. English did no such thing. English said he questioned the effectiveness of a purely moralistic approach. It takes guts to stick by your morals – something Peters and the Labour Party need to learn. Maybe some journalists as well.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
If that fat fuck Garner turns up at Sky City on Saturday night I might have to give him a Liverpool kiss.
If he licked Clarks arse any further he’d be fighting with H2 for honours.
He’s already trying to suggest their is another tape about to get released about Key before the election.
So on one side we have an edited tape about an opinion on the other side we have elderly Chinese forced into voting Labour and what story does Garner focus on?
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Many commentators have voiced surprise that John Campbell asked during the leaders debate about Obama. This odd question may be explained by T V 3 already knowing what the content of the tape was and they were hoping to get more milage out of it by implicationg Key.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
The answer is very simple but how TV3 weigh up the ratings effect versus advertisers tension – who knows.
They need to tell their mailer “we will run the tape if u provide it in its entirity. Otherwise see you later.” Either way they get to run their teasers for ratings purposes “Tune in at 6pm, we have received another secret tape.” And then either run it in its entirity – perfectly valid to do so – or run a story saying they won’t run it because their journalistic integrity doesnt allow them to run the tape without hearing all of it.
Vote:November 5th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
matthew hootons an idiot, what a wierd example of incontextualisation
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