Bigot Alert
December 31st, 2008 at 2:25 pm by David Farrar
Adam Smith does a great public service by scanning in most days the more nutty or idiotic letters to the editor. Today’s one is simply bigoted.
Talking of the Middle East, Little Green Footballs highlights a Jerusalem Post column where Caroline Glick states:
Both Iran and its Hamas proxy in Gaza have been busy this Christmas week showing Christendom just what they think of it. But no one seems to have noticed.
On Tuesday, Hamas legislators marked the Christmas season by passing a Shari’a criminal code for the Palestinian Authority. Among other things, it legalizes crucifixion.
Now this has not been reported in any media outlet, so maybe Ms Glick has it wrong. But one would hope all those reporters and journalists are checking out the veracity of the claim that Hamas has voted to legalise crucifixion.
Related posts:
- NZ Govt gives $500K to terrorists
- Dom Post says Hamas can end strikes
- Assassination
- Israeli ground forces enter Gaza
December 31st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Calvert would do the Palestinians more good if he kept his racist babbling to himself.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Hmmmmmmmmmm …. so which political party was blessed by Calvert’s vote …
Labour … bigotted but not that bigotted
Greens … maybe, perhaps. The sentiments are pure Keith Locke, the style isn’t.
National Front … fits
Winston First … fits even better (and they were endorsed by Kyle Chapman)
so on balance my guess is that JV Calvert is a paid up, salivating, wild eyed member of Winston First (and probably their next President).
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Perhaps it’s Tommy Gear doing his boss’s bidding under an assumed name….
Whatever, it is an appalling slur.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Labour would probably support Calvert in his support for Muslim fanatics. I note that Iran dropped the age of consent to 9 after the Shah of Iran was overthrown. What was good enough for Mohammad should be good enough for Muslims. Labour of course only suggested dropping the age to 12.
Go Israel.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Chuck,
Sex outside of marriage is illegal in Iran, and the legal age for marrying is 13 for girls, 15 for boys (that’s both with parental consent), and older without parental consent.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
That letter may be blunt, and JK Calvert is most probably wrong, but there’s no bigotry in that letter whatsoever. In all kinds of contexts, a person’s cultural heritage is regarded as an acceptable basis for their opinion. I have no idea if JK Calvert is correct that Mr Key’s heritage has played a part in his decisionmaking. I would hope it didn’t. But suggesting it might is certainly not bigoted.
[DPF: So suggesting that Obama will make his decisions based on his skin colour (which is part of his culture) is okay?]
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
well if the Pope said it it must be so………….what was the Pope saying about gay marriage 2 weeks ago?
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Ross M “…so which political party was blessed by Calvert’s vote”
National MP Craig Foss jumped on this one with his jerky knee on his blog as well. He immediately and aparrently seriously labelled Calvert a Labour voter. Must’ve been partaking of new year fizz a bit early in the day. Spookily, the post seems to have disappeared from his blog; somebody more sensible must’ve had a word. Still, there’s a vestige of it if you do a Google search for – JK Calvert Tauranga: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enNZ277NZ278&q=%22j+k+calvert%22+tauranga&btnG=Search&meta=
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Ryan Sproull (1143) Vote: 0 0 Says:
December 31st, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Calvert would do the Palestinians more good if he kept his racist babbling to himself.
Judaism is a religion, not a race. To be Jewish is to accept a particular religion, and culture. It is possible to be any race and yet still be a Jew. How about you get some accuracy to your babbling?
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 6:56 pm
harp-On you dumbarse Craig Foss did no such thing, you are looking at a RSs feed from my site that Craig displays in his sidebar, Googe in its infinite wisdom shows it coming from his site.
A quick check of his blog would have shown that he last posted on December 12. But that would have ruined your story.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 6:58 pm
It is not as simple as saying Judaism is just a religion. It is an ethno-religious group.
We saw this in WWII when Hitler killed Jews based on their bloodline or race, regardless of their actual religious belief.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Well done DPF, you must be a Troll like me with all those comments.
1066 is an outstanding date in British History.
Please have a look back at the munchkins from the Left suggesting that Herr Hitler NEVER did anything to the Jews!!
Remarkable really.
I would cheerfully remove their gonads.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I feel even better now that I realise that our PM has an ‘in’ with the Illuminati, and I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 7:27 pm
I want to copy and paste this belated response from the earlier thread somewhere where hopefully Mr FatNuts will see it, and this is as good a place as any, seeing there is no new “general debate” thread. The small number of comments on here tends to indicate to me that others have had the same trouble getting onto Kiwiblog today.
PhilBest (3939) 0 0 Says:
December 31st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Fatnuts, it just happens, yes, the UN IS also a haven of the most blatant kind of anti-Israel bias. What planet do you live on, where that is not the case?
http://www.unwatch.org/site/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1359197/k.6748/UN_Israel__AntiSemitism.htm
Regarding the BBC’s anti-Israel bias, which is also a “given” in the real world, Google “Balen Report”; here is a link to the Wikipedia on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report
Sorry for the slow response, I have been unable to access any threads on Kiwiblog for most of the day. I don’t know what was wrong.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 7:30 pm
I thought I had been banned by proxy by Lprent!
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
David – as I said I hope Key did not let his heritage come into his decisionmaking, and I’d equally hope Obama does not let the same thing happen. But I don’t think it is correct to smear anyone with the word bigot because they think that might have been what happened. I don’t think it makes any sense to assume in all cases one’s heritage is irrelevant to political decisionmaking – what is political leadership if not about character? Heritage is openly and proudly cited by many groups as a basis for world view. Is it bigotry to even suggest – well, in this case, accuse – Key of something similar?
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 7:42 pm
[DPF: So suggesting that Obama will make his decisions based on his skin colour (which is part of his culture) is okay?]
You mean the 50% of Obama’s skin colour that is white?
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 8:01 pm
What I want to know is where everyone stands on the Juice?
I saw one protester in NY saying he wants to Kill all Juice.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 8:08 pm
Why not Borker, Calvert was obviously referring to the 50% of John Key which is nominally Jewish.
BY the way, not all jews support Israel’s position in this matter. There is a distinction between Judaism and zionism. There are those who are practising jews who do not support the zionist proposition that justifies, in their eyes, the creation of Israel as a state.
Does J K Calvert assume that all jews condone the action that Israel is taking? I cannot say with certainty. What I can say is that the position of the Israeli government is not shared by all who would identify as, or be identified as, jewish. To claim otherwise shows that Calvert is guilty of the same sort of closed mindedness that in all probability, led to the conflict in the first instance.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 8:15 pm
ben … it may have escaped your notice but John Key is NOT the Minister of Foreign Affairs and, unlike Labour, Ministers in the Key Government are perfectly able to issue Press Releases without them being cleared by the 9th floor.
Your nasty little post sez much about you and the way you think.
Get your hand out of your pants.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
I don’t think bigoted is the right word for Calvert’s comment, David, though he’s certainly implying a bias.
When I went to school, I remember the word Jewish being bandied around by a bunch of teenage boys whenever they meant ‘frugal’. Now that was bigoted!
As for the carnage in Gaza, while one must sympathise with the innocent Palestinians who are suffering, many of them would be a lot more innocent if they hadn’t been dumb enough to vote for a terrorist government.
And not just any terrorist government. A terrorist government sponsored by a state whose leader has said that he wants to wipe their common enemy off the map.
An enemy whose motto for the last several thousand years has been ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth’.
I don’t like the way the Israelis overreact, as it plays into the hands of those who accuse them of hypocrisy (doing the same to the Palestinians as the Germans did to them etc.).
I’m not at all sure Israel should have been shoehorned into Palestinian territory the way it was.
But by lobbing shells on to Israeli citizens, Hamas should not be surprised that they have reaped the whirlwind. Whether it’s the final whirlwind is another matter. It’s hard to imagine the Arab world sitting idly by.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Finally I am able to access Kiwiblog.
I think Calvert’s gratuitous reference to Key’s nominal religion is anti-semitic. The fact that he made such a reference implies, to me , a degree of bigotry. There was no need to make such a reference. The whole heritage argument peddled by Ben, is to me spurious, it is just an attempt to justify a line of racial prejudice.
Perhaps, unlike some, as I was brought up in Europe post WWII I am more sensitised to the issue, but it is such attitudes as expressed in Calvert’s letter that were typical of many in Europe both pre and post war. Anti-semitism was rife in various sectors of society in Europe, up to and including the present day, and indeed in ceretain segments of American society as well.
Further as regards the Arab-Israeli conflict there is a common misconception that all Jews identify with the actions of the Israeli government and with the objectives of Zionism. Further, just as in Islam there are a number of sects and shades of belief, varying from the secular to the equivalent of the Wahabis and the EXclusive Brethren.
Thus the term Jewish in this context is at best a misnomer and given the history of the Jews in the 20th century most likely derogatory. thus my post, which I believ was justified.
In addition there are many Jews both within and without Israel who do not subscribe to many of the present actions of the Israeli government.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Hamas: Terror-loving religious lunatics with an openly genocidal charter. The best peace process inclusive of them is what the Israelis are doing right now: killing them and ending their threat. Innocent Palestinians: Certainly deserve better than the political leaders thrown up to them partly due to the indifference of their plight by the Arab world. “So long as the Palestinians are so oppressed, it *must* be Israel’s fault.” Palestinians are the “Red Uniform”, meant to show Arabs the threat Israel is to the Muslim world. (If they were as murderous as many of their Muslim neighbours, they would have already have nuked Mecca, Tehran, or whatever, at any time over the last few decades – they could do it in 5 minutes. That this option hasn’t been used shows its effectiveness as a deterrent to the true aggressors.)
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 9:58 pm
Yes but what about the Juice I say, they are far more evil.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Rather, that there has been no large-scale invasion for decades shows its effectiveness as a deterrent….
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Good on McCulley! And good on Key for staying out of this.
How pompous it was under H1 when Clark or Peters or some other Minister commented on nearly everything that happened overseas. We’re a tiny Pacific country, with enough problems of our own. Fix our own problems, comment on neighbours like Fiji, but why feel a need to lecture the world on every other conflict?
It’s nice to have Ministers without one eye on the United Nations as a possible employer down the line, and making speeches to impress UN bureaucrats.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Hamas are as trustworthy as NZ LabourFirst.
Nasty mendacious prats.
The left just hate success. Israel has done a lot better than their neighbours economically.
The left are just envious of everything, because their brains are not wired properly to allow individual effort, or
entrepreneurship.
They are useless blood suckers, hell bent on bringing everything down to the lowest common denominator.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Ryan, 13 might be the age now but it was 9 just after the overthrow of the Shah. If you read the article below you will see it is still possible for a girl as young as 9 to marry with the right approvals.
http://www.iol.co.za/?click_id=3&art_id=qw1024837201529B265&set_id=1
Iran raises age of consent for brides to 13
Tehran – Iranian authorities have approved a law to raise the age at which girls can get married without their parents’ consent to 13 from nine and for boys to 15 from 14, newspapers said on Sunday.
The decision by Iran’s Expediency Council arbitration body watered down a bill passed by the reformist-dominated parliament in 2000 which tried to raise the age of consent to 15 for girls and 18 for boys to cut teenage marriages and ease criticism of Iran’s human rights record.
That bill was vetoed by the Guardian Council, a 12-man body dominated by conservative clerics whose job it is to ensure legislation conforms to Islamic Sharia law.
Iran’s clerical establishment has promoted marriage as a means to combat what it calls immorality amongst youth.
The Expediency Council is charged with arbitrating in disputes between parliament and the Guardian Council.
The arbitration body ruling does not change the age at which children can get married – nine for girls and 14 for boys – but says girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents’ permission and the approval of a “righteous court”.
Reformists said the new law did not protect children since most of those who married at a young age did so under pressure from their parents.
European Union countries have pointed to the low legal age of marriage in Iran as an example of its poor human rights.
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I’m not justifying anything, thanks AdamSmith. I have no view on who is right or wrong in the whole Israeli/Hamas/Middle East situation because I know little about it.
Sorely missing from this thread is an explanation of what JK Calvert has said that is bigoted. Nobody who suggests the Maori Party is pro-Maori is accused of bigotry. Since when does accusing the PM of personal bias mark someone a bigot?
Vote:December 31st, 2008 at 11:56 pm
They attacked PM Key on the basis of his ethnicity or bloodline. He is not religiously Jewish so the comment was aimed at his ethnicity.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 12:34 am
So many of us are of Jewish bloodline.
My Religion is Cof E, Anglican, and I have my pullover.
I have a lot of quasi Jewish friends.
I also have a lot of Muslim friends in the UK.
There is one common denominator, they all want to get on with life and have fun.
Hamas are entirely evil, and Israelis are just the worst people in the World to antagonise.
The left can just f off, with their denial of reality!!
Nasty vindictive scum bags, just like Cullen and Klark!!
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 1:08 am
I agree with ben and John Ansell. The comment in the letter is silly but I would restrain in labelling it bigoted. However I notice that whenever a reference to Judiasim is made in a less than favourable light, there is always a vociferous minority that jumps up and down crying “bigot!”, ” anti-semite!” and the like. Sigh. So precious.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 1:27 am
man im loving the worlds reaction to israels zionest nazis
anti semite,anti semite,anti semite its been used so often its lost all meaning,
the fog has lifted and people are seeing things much clearer YES!!!!!
this is just the begining,YE HA
more people are getting there info from the internet rather than the bullshit fed to them in the papers and tv
i can not wait for tomorrow
and now for the zion troll read below
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 2:05 am
Ahem, Attention.
Really, who cares what some (presumably) old pr*ck in Tauranga has to say?
Poor jastowns, alone with his pamela anderson inflatable.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:16 am
I believe that a certain eger moron was responsible for the first the posting here on kiwiblog about ‘international jewish conspiracy’ back in (from memory) October/November 2007, when he posted a you-tube link one fine Saturday morning as a rather pathetic attempt to dog-whistle.
It was about the time they were attacking key for his ‘pro-American’ (read pro-Israeli?) ‘The Iraq war is over’ statement, and telling us how littel he knows about ‘New Zealand History’ after his Waitangi Treatment statements.
To the credit of most on the left, he was an isolated example. But the ‘international capitalist conspiracy certainly followed a close second sanitised and de-semited (if such a word exists) version.
‘You just can’t trust them!’ (Helen Clark during election campaign) I think ” ‘them” meant the Nats/capitalists in general, but well, it’s a dirty game, isn’t it?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 8:21 am
A meaningless letter to a purposeless newspaper.
If Helen were still in power, do you believe they would print any letter accusing her government of bias owing to her being a woman, of the left, associated with gays, associated with the Chinese, associatted via office to any of her ministers activities or constituents? Of course not.
And who really cares if McCully is being a politician and that Culvert’s opinion expresses his intolerance of certain people. Intolerance must be allow to be expressed as freely as tolerance. Otherwise you run straight into the deadend of political correctness. Bigotry is not a crime and should never be one. To make it an unofficial one attacks the very roots of the individualism that many on this board loudly champion.
Understand that one man’s comments in a newspaper have nothing to do with us personally – we are just observers – unless we have dealings with him explicity, and then we are free to choose to associate with him or not. Our free will remains intact regardless of another man’s words. Bigotry, like it’s cousin homophobia, simply is not a threat because it has no inherent authority over the individual unless that person allows it.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 8:22 am
I agree that it is inappropriate to bring Key’s ethnic background/race/religion into this I sense this is a bit of a beat up.
One person writes a letter to the editor and Labour and the left gets tarred as if we all believe what was said.
And the big issue as far as I am concerned is the appropriateness and proportionality of the Israeli action.
The death rate quota was 90:1 in favour of Israel the time I last checked and I cannot help but think that its action/reaction is excessive and only likely to breed further fanaticism on the part of the Hamas. In other words it is totally counterproductive.
Israel occupies what was Palestine and the Palestinian people have only 11% of the land that they used to have.
Israel would be better off building schools and hospitals and letting the Palestinians rebuild their state rather than engage in what looks to me like ethnic cleansing.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 8:30 am
“Judaism is a religion, not a race. To be Jewish is to accept a particular religion, and culture. It is possible to be any race and yet still be a Jew. How about you get some accuracy to your babbling?”
Yet people who say that they hate Islam are almost always accused of racism – mostly by people who are left of centre and/or apologists for terrorists. Why is that do you think?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 8:32 am
Oh, so J Calvert is local redneck labour party member no doubt meddling on the local councils?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 8:47 am
Please everyone. J K Calvert has just taking his first breath after 9 years of full immersion under the most bigoted government that DID act (and legislate) accordingly. It will take time to get over this.
Have you ever seen how a mistreated dog reacts for a period of time under a new master? cowers for about a year before realising it wont get hit any more.
Billybarking – “You mean the 50% of Obama’s skin colour that is white” Is that some kind of Zebra or Friesian?
P.S Happy new year everyone
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 9:07 am
Bigotry is a soft description for this. Any assumption of trait or thought ubiquity based on race, ethnicity, religion is at the very least an act of bigotry.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 9:12 am
JK Calvert one of the multitudes who have freedom of speech and rightfully so but whose freedom is not matched by perception. Israel is not some super special nation but has the right of self defence, Gaza may have some traps for them which will make ‘solving” any problem difficult.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 10:18 am
I was waiting for lefty twat to talk about Israels disproportionate response. Here is the appropriate response to such a silly supposition.
Since when is war a mathematical equation? The basic objective of any warring party is to inflict maximal damage on the enemy while minimizing its own casualties. Was there anything proportional about the US war in Iraq? Or about Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait for that matter? Or about Russia’s recent war against Georgia? Israel is doing exactly what any other country has done in the past. This is how war works.
On a more elementary note: Palestinian military inferiority is not an indication of moral superiority. Palestinian insistence on resorting to violence despite this military weakness is an indication of poor judgment perhaps – yet it is by no means an indication of moral virtue. Being militarily weak does not make the Palestinians right.
http://www.whaleoilblog.com/?q=content/six-talking-points-counter-hamas-huggers
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 11:00 am
“..# expat (1771) Vote: Add rating 4 Subtract rating 0 Says:
January 1st, 2009 at 2:05 am
Ahem, Attention.
Really, who cares what some (presumably) old pr*ck in Tauranga has to say?
Poor jastowns, alone with his pamela anderson inflatable..”
and just what is the going rate for a ‘barbara anderson inflatable’ these days..?
..expat..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 11:01 am
Billy Borker, the words “Jew” and “Jewish” refer both to a religion and an ethnicity. Not everyone of the Jewish ethnicity follows the Judaic religion, and there are converts to Judaism who are not ethnically Jewish.
I have no idea how your reply to me had any relevance whatsoever to what I said. I will explain further if you did not understand. Calvert’s racist babbling undermines sensible efforts for human rights in Palestine by fuelling the idea that anyone who objects to the state of Israel’s actions is racist against Jewish people (the ethnicity, not the religion).
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Whos Barbara?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 12:53 pm
The majority of comments on the latest Israeli and Palestinian conflict, peoples ethnicity and beliefs is concentrating on the differences people have. Perhaps if we took a lead from Tenzin Gyatso 14th Dalai Lama and started looking for common ground rather than differences it would be a start to understanding. Most people want to live in peace, have families and egt on with life. It is extremism in any form that leads to bigitory, a fundamental belief in the rightness of the cause (religion, ethnic affiliation, economy or the environment) that ultimately leads to violence either as an agressor or in self defence.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
“I was waiting for lefty twat to talk about Israels disproportionate response.”
Disproportionate response is effective only when you have a clear field of battle. It’s very counter-productive when used in urban situations filled with non-combatants. Such tactics serve only to fuel the fire by driving people into the arms of the enemy.
This is elementary. It’s very well known, it happens every time and history is littered with examples. The IDF and the Israeli politicians are very well aware of this. Draw your own conclusions.
Meanwhile in the US, isn’t it interesting that while 71% of Americans want the US to play a neutral role, the people’s representatives on both sides and the US media consistently ignore this opinion.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Look at the survey. It was conducted between January and May 2008. It’s talking about the general Israel-Palestine issue, not this latest conflict between Israel and Gaza.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
“It’s talking about the general Israel-Palestine issue, not this latest conflict between Israel and Gaza.”
I wasn’t suggesting it was, Max. It’s been a long term trend, obvious to those of us with eyes, for decades. In recent times, the opinion trend has been exacerbated because of the actions of the Israel-firsters in the Bush Administration. Israel-firsters a.k.a. zionists, BTW, are those who put the interests of Israel above those of the nation they live in/are citizens of. I hope you don’t need a list of these Bush people, you should already know who they all are.
P.S. Don’t assume I’m saying this only happens in conservative administrations, Obama’s admin is already full of them too, starting with Biden.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 1:50 pm
The fact that the IAF is only getting a collaterial damage of less than 20% proves that they are not actively targeting civilians.
To state Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing is crazy. They are carrying out Hamas cleansing.
The Palestianian people (like the Lebenese and Syrians) are being used as pawns of Iran.
Notice the silence from the other Arab leaders. Egypt warned Hamas multiple times to extend the cease fire.
The only people responsible for the unfortunate civilian deaths in the Gaza Strip is the Hamas leadership.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Why use emotive language when trying to make a point of fact? Why say “obvious to those of us with eyes” when the insult is not necessary (unless one is trying to deflect attention because the “fact” is itself debatable)? And if the Arabists would vanish from the discourse, the “Israel-firsters” would have to ratchet down, don’t you think? If only because no one would be trying to justify the annihilation of Israel.
Aren’t most of the people on this thread (and every other thread like it) who oppose Israel’s response to Hamas Arabists? And do you have to be an “Israel firster” to realise that the country is defending its right to exist or that the old borders threaten that prospect or that Hamas genuinely wants to destroy Israel?
A Zionist is, after all, just a person who believes Israel – as a homeland for the world’s Jews, almost half of whom now live within its borders – has the same right to exist and maintain defensible borders as any other country. To be anti-Zion is to be anti-Israel.
You can be supportive of the idea that those in Palestine should have safe and prosperous lives and still be a Zionist. You cannot be an Arabist and supportive of the idea that Israel should prosper within defensible borders.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
What on earth are you talking about? Calm down. I was just pointing out that that 71% is for the overall Israel-Palestine conflict, not this current conflict. The figure for this current conflict may be different.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Ahh yes Reid now moves to the “Israel is targeting civilians” accusation,
You mean to say that “one of the most powerful armies in the world” has been bombing Gaza for days, deploying massive air power, dropping hundreds of bombs, and ultimately killing a grand total of 50 civilians or so in the “most crowded place on earth?”
There are two options here: A) The Israeli army is not targeting civilians, or B) Israeli pilots suck. We tend to go with option A.
Indeed, Israel goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, by deploying precise ammunition and specialized techniques. In fact, nobody in the world does this better than the Jewish State. As well they also phone all those in the building before they drop their bombs and also drop leaflets advising that they leave before a certain time. Hamas though get the residents out and up onto the roof as human shields for their arms depots….nice guys.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I’d be interested in a reference for each of those statements.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Sure no problem Ryall, it really does pay to get your news from other sources than al-Reuters, al Jazeera or AFP.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24855309-2,00.html
Note they also used the “most densely built up” claim again.
Vote:http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=content/crammed-gaza
January 1st, 2009 at 2:51 pm
expatty
Poor jastowns, alone with his pamela anderson inflatable,very funny expat almost as funny as you and your zoinest troll friends shearing your john key inflatable together,(available in the sicko section at your locale porn shop)
the fact that john key is a jew dose matter,he is the PM of NZ and the decisions he makes affects us all,if he dose not care for the jewish religion then it wont effect any decision he makes,but if he dose???
Vote:key gave up his personal life when he took the position as PM,religion included,full stop
his interest in any religion and his ties with zion matters just the same if he was a muslim so lets hear what key has to say,has he said any thing yet,no,well this dose seem to be leaning in one direction
January 1st, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Thanks, Whaleoil.
Do you have a reference for the second claim? Human shields on roofs?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Any number of those;
Vote:http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/39608
http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html
http://news.scotsman.com/opinion/A-human-tragedy-for-both.4833363.jp
January 1st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Sweet. Thanks, Whaleoil.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 3:30 pm
I seem to remember John Key saying he didn’t believe in God…
http://tvnz.co.nz/content/2261927
“Do you believe in God?” Sainsbury asked.
Clark said she doesn’t and is on record as saying she’s an agnostic, which means nothing is proven. However, she said the principles of Christianity pretty much dictate how she lives.
Key said he’s not a deeply religious person but also lives by Christian principles. He doesn’t believe in life after death, he added.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Actually this whole thing is a nonsense started by one Calvert who wears his/her bigotry on his/her sleve ….
So John Key’s mother was Jewish … does that make him a Jew? no way any more than my fathers Anglican heritage makes me an Anglican or my mothers Baptist heritage makes me a Baptist.
Neither does my fathers Australian heritage make me an Australian or my mothers English heritage make me English.
I am a new Zealander as is John Key. End of story.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Could I just please reiterate that there is “being Jewish” as in being an adherent of the Judaic religion, and there is “being Jewish” as in being a member of the Jewish ethnic group (traced matrilineally, if I’m not mistaken). They’re two different things, though most people of the Judaic religion are ethnically Jewish. There are plenty of Jewish atheists (Einstein, Marx, anyone?) – in that there are people of the Jewish ethnicity who believe in no god and follow no religion. There are also members of the Judaic religion who are not ethnically Jewish.
No one is suggesting that the religion is genetically inherited.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 4:32 pm
so john key is a jewish christian that doesn’t believe in god,his mother would be confused just like i am
Vote:i was going to post a link about key in the jerusalem post where he said he was taking a bigger interest in the jewish faith but the article has mysteriously disappeared here it is any way
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1215331163962
stuff like this disappearing dose nothing but fuel my suspishions,and rightfully so
it wouldn’t be the first time he has lied
his actions will speak loader than words
im a atheist,but i respect anyone’s beliefs as they should mine,i don’t trust john key but he can still win me over with his actions not his words
also a man that makes 50 mill in 5yrs,why would he want a job that pays fuck all,i can understand maybe he wants to make NZ a better place,again his actions will count for who he is and what he is there for and i have to say so far he has done nothing different from what has been going on for the last 40yrs,imposing more laws and less rights for the freedom of kiwis
i am worried key is another bush breaking down our freedoms for a more governed life,something my friends and i will not take laying down
January 1st, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Just which freedoms of yours do you think he is going to take away?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Tinfoil Hat alert!!!!!
Hmm also suspicious likeness to philu postings.
Vote:All in lowercase, incoherent ramblings, chicken little predictions, vast right wing conspiracy and new world order.
Yep jastowns=philu=idiot
January 1st, 2009 at 5:01 pm
whalefat
why is it that if someone doesn’t agree with you there a tinfoil hat wearing idiot,are you so clever your always right,to me you just sound like a spook,troll,pollyanna take your pick
people have forgotten government was formed to keep our freedoms in tacked not impose more laws,put us in more debt,answer me one question who owns NZ reserve bank???
ryan you ask what freedoms,how about the freedom of speech,the freedom to oppose the government,the freedom to go to a web site that the government doesnt want me to see these are just a few,i do not want my country turning into china its that simple but as i said keys actions will speak louder than any of his words
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 5:06 pm
All of those freedoms are already limited by the government. You already can’t use speech to incite violence, use guns to oppose the government, or go to certain websites without the government threatening you with consequences.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 5:20 pm
“freedoms in tacked” rotfl
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 5:30 pm
so what are you saying i should accept this,to be ruled and told what to think by a government i help pay for but dissagree with,sounds like china already,i did say it has been happening over the past 40 years but pace has quickened over the last 8yrs and is showing no sign of slowing(hitler springs to mind)
Vote:the new terror laws,global warming have and will take more rights away by fooling the public into accepting there word over the evidence
a lot of people on this site haven’t got a fucken clue to what is really going on
January 1st, 2009 at 5:35 pm
The man is obviously either anti-semitic or anti John Key but comes across as a twit – calling him a Jew
- fyi the UN reckons there are 60 civilian deaths not hundreds, which implies the rest are non-civilians – not that I condone either side
Vote:- jastowns – entertaining rants but some logical arguments might help here (or perhaps medication)
January 1st, 2009 at 5:43 pm
jastowns,
I’m not saying you should accept it. I’m just saying that it’s odd to finger John Key as the guy to worry about when your freedoms have already been limited by previous governments, or by the nature of government in general.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Oh my how do you dignify someone who writes “freedoms in tacked” with a sane and sensible response?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:04 pm
ryan
as i said it has been happening for a long time and i don’t trust john key but his actions could win my favor but so far it does not look good,john key is the man at the moment pointing my finger at any one else would be pointless,he is the one to make things worse or better,john key said in parliament in 2004 that global warming was a con so lets see what he dose with it,i found this site researching key so it may seem that im only on his back but its not so,also i haven’t been in NZ for the past 6yrs but im on my way back soon
i have never had an interest in government until traveling the world and meeting many different people whom have opened my eyes to what is really going on
slijamballs
Vote:repent you bum
January 1st, 2009 at 6:11 pm
I’ve previously described Jastowns as an “illiterate bigot” here.
A case in point:
That’s an extraordinary puff of magic mushrooms!
As I noted over on the other thread, this quote was posted by a “Jas” here – a website Jastowns has linked to several times (and, coincidentally I’m sure, a website that Clare Swinney also posts on).
For someone who claims “a lot of people on this site haven’t got a fucken clue to what is really going on”, Jastowns could at least stump up with irrefutable evidence and enlighten the world – or else risk being labelled a conspiracy theorist. Oh hold on!
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:12 pm
whalelard
Vote:if your having trouble understanding my grammar as bad as it is ask someone,i left school at 13yrs old i know its bad but i also know retards that can spell you being one
whalefat still no answer for my question,thats what i thought troll
January 1st, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Nomestradamus you are a troll why should any one trust you
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Jastowns:
That’s a lame response – and one, I note, which fails to address the substantive points I raised.
In response to your intelligent rebuttal, I’m happy to leave it up to other Kiwiblog readers to judge, as between you and me, who’s the troll. And, again as between you and me, who’s more trustworthy (ie more credible track record on Kiwiblog).
The question, however, is why should any one trust you. You claimed earlier on this thread: “a lot of people on this site haven’t got a fucken clue to what is really going on”. Here’s your chance to enter the big league and provide the missing clues. Do you stand by those comments of yours that I posted?
Come on, Jastowns, step up to the soapbox and reveal all!
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:47 pm
jastwit is deliberately hijacking this thread by trolling – ignore him – reads remarkably like similar trolls under different names
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I know millionaires that left school at 13 and they all know the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’, which you patently do not.
Clearly you are a bitter, jealous, numpty, broken-arsed twat of no useful purpose other than to junk up the place with illiterate ramblings of a new world order.
You probably cut out letters from newspapers and magazines and glue them to pages to write letters to people to warn them of such a world order.
I am surprised that you even post on this blog given it is run by one of the illuminati of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and his obvious links to World Jewry and the US Embassy.
In fact the enforcement branch of the Order has probably already traced your IP address and will be visiting you shortly in their black helicopters.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Jastowns, really has all the hallmarks of Phool.
Incoherence, Ramblings, Unsubstantiated facts as opposed to opinions.
Being accused of being a Troll because I had over 1000 postings.
Funny thing is, it all depends on when you start and what time you have available.
I am semi retired. Never bothered with Politics in the UK.
Here it is much more passionate, however the Left are obviously more exposed to their outrageous lies!
Why? because they areamatuers compared to the lijkes of Mandelson, Gay Gordon, and Gay Tony.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Back to the original post – this is a surprisingly nasty little letter
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I prefer using our Black Rigid Raider, and I wondered when you would give me the opportunity to get that one in!!
My New Years Resolution is to give the Left a really hard time, and stick up them whenever possible.
Hope that Slag Rochelle has constant flashbacks to all those intimate moments with Mr Informer!!
Mwa Ha Ha Ha Ha!
And her Uncle, the Human with a Girls name. XXy Man. Unbelieveable. No wonder he is bitter.
Just like the J. Cash song
Go Whaleblubber!! Soz Leader, Sir Whaleoil, sir!
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Wasn’t Key problem that he was a rich prick?
J K Culvert is just an example of the voter Labor tried to rally during the election.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Nomestradamus
Vote:here you go again claiming i have given you no evidence of my claims which i have done for you every time then you have no more comments not even a kiss my ass for me thats how i know your a troll,and your here again questioning my character
you are what a troll is ,
i will not waste any more of my time proving any thing to you as the truth is something that dose not interest you,you are only here to keep the truth from blogger(1823)thats a lot of disinfo your boss must be very happy with you
the real Nomestradamus was a fraud i guess thats why you picked the name
im only here to get people away from the propaganda and your here to feed it
i dont ask any one to believe me just to do there own research away from fuckwits like you and i know your job has become more important than ever as people learn the truth,thats why you will lose and i fucken love it
anyway i have wasted enough time on you so this is the last time i will respond to your crap
next week more people will know the truth and less will listen to your bullshit,how dose it feel to be on the losing team
January 1st, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Bye Bye Jastowns, you useless Lefty Twat!!
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm
whalefat who said i wasn’t a millionaire ive been semiretired since 32 so suck me off
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Jastowns:
Goodness – what an extraordinary rant!
So tell me:
- Why has my job become more important than ever?
- Who is my boss?
- What propaganda have I contributed (as distinct from inviting you to substantiate your claims)?
- What is the losing team, and why am I on it?
I’d say you have no idea who I am – best to stop embarrasing yourself.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:25 pm
“ive been semiretired since 32 ”
So Jastowns, was that 1932?
Seen it all before then.
Sounds like a complete lie to me.
Unless you are on disability pay, and mow peoples lawns for pokect money.
Uneducated 13 years olds don’t normally make the Grade.
Prey tell, what was the secret of your success?
Knobrot, from self oral?
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 7:33 pm
jastowns if you believe that sitting on the dole or more likely the sickness benefit since 32 is semi-retired then I have a bridge I can sell you, I’ll even take Winz vouchers for it.
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 10:28 pm
C’mon guys, he said spelling wasn’t his thing. He really meant ‘semiretarded’
Vote:January 1st, 2009 at 10:54 pm
So the Evil Left continue to lie and denigrate.
From the Relaxed state of Iran.
Hug a Hamas to-day!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5423591.ece
They are such lovely people, with so much to contribute to the World.
The best thing that could happen is turn their country into Glass. Like we would miss the deranged fookers?
Vote:January 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 am
Jastowns:
Yada yada – and I suppose you have an MA (Hons) from Auckland University as well? If so, I hope you attended to those pesky library fines
Vote:January 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 am
Ryan in relation to your request to WhaleOil regarding the civilians on the roof. There is also lots of evidence on the web (and I don’t have any links to hand) of Hamas etc staging “civilian” deaths.
Couple of reported cases
- a corpse on a stretching being moved to a hospital falls off, stands up straight and then climbs back on the stretcher
- the same dead baby appearing in several different shots over a couple of months
- bodies pulled out of the morgue to stafe “bomb sites”
- a bicycle and other props being used to stage an adandoned house that to make it look like it was lived in and then recently bombed
Any the western media laps it up
Vote:January 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 am
This is why there will never be peace in the Middle East. Here are a couple of kids TV shows from Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LaAvZp7EP4
this is the sort of thing they teach kids, “We’ll wear the battle vest of self sacrifice (explosive belt) and follow the path of the Shahids”
and they even use Mickey Mouse characters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4&NR=1
These Hamas are deranged. This is truly just sick
Vote:January 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 am
Southern Raider here’s a couple of links involving the France 2 v. Karsenty case
“The Paris Court of Appeal has cleared blogger-media critic, Philippe Karsenty, of defamation charges brought against him by France’s public broadcaster, France 2.
The defamation lawsuit centered on Karsenty’s allegation that the scene, which France 2 broadcast in September 2000, of twelve-year old Muhammad al-Dura crouching behind his father in a Gaza intersection, moments before he was reportedly shot and killed by Israeli gunfire, was staged by Palestinians on the street and that France 2 and its Jerusalem bureau chief, Charles Enderlin, are now covering up the hoax”
http://www.uslaw.com/library/Legal_Commentary/France_v_Karsenty.php?item=159933
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah
Vote:January 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 am
Photos and videos of the Israel/Palestinian shitfight
Vote:January 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 am
Hammer the Hamas . Go Israel smash the scumbags.
Vote:January 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 am
Perhaps Jastowns is JK Calvert is a “paid up, salivating, wild-eyed member of Winston First (and probably their next President).” …. see earlier.
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