More on Viliami Halaholo

February 15th, 2009 at 8:09 am by David Farrar

Both Sunday papers have stories on Viliami Halaholo, the father of ’s granddaughter.

The Herald on Sunday cite the most recent parole decision saying he still posed an “undue risk” if released, his drug use in prison (but not recently it seems as last three tests have been clean), and his previous offending. All not a pretty picture.

The Sunday Star-Times has advising Paula Bennett to basically stop supporting Halaholo, or risk losing her daughter.

There is no doubt Paula and her daughter Ana have some tough decisions, either way. Cutting a father out of a child’s life is not some trivial decision. It means a child that grows up without a father, a mother without a partner, possible legal action, possible conflict within your own family.

Likewise it is a tough and risky decision to give a young man a chance to turn his life around when he is out of prison. If he offends again, then questions of judgement arise.

So it is all a complex measure of risk. If you abandon Halaholo, it is probably almost certain he will return to a life of crime. But if you continue to support him once released, well the risk is still there.

But what do I personally think? Well I think it is a decision for Paula and Ana to be made in private, not on the front page of the Sunday papers, and while well intentioned I am sure – not with the public advice of Paul Holmes. If Paul wanted to really help, then write them a private letter.

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42 Responses to “More on Viliami Halaholo”

  1. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    DPF said:
    ”But what do I personally think? Well I think it is a decision for Paula and Ana to be made in private, not on the front page of the Sunday papers, and while well intentioned I am sure – not with the public advice of Paul Holmes. If Paul wanted to really help, then write them a private letter.”

    Puzzling then David, why you would post your opinion in the public domain as well.

    [DPF: FIrstly I did not give an opinion as to what Paula and Ana should have done. Secondly by the newspapers continuing it in such a public way, any comments on blogs are minor compared to front page coverage in both papers]

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  2. dimmocrazy (286 comments) says:

    I would think that, although Paul Holmes clearly has some experience in these matters, he may not be an appropriate role model.

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  3. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    dimmocrazy – you beat me to it!

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  4. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    I like Paula Bennett, I think she is a feisty lady and one who proves to the left that you can climb out of poverty with nothing more than determination and a good work ethic.

    However, by supporting this piece of shit she has shown an shocking lack of judgement, of course it it hypocritical of the left to go after her given that they think every low life scum bag is blameless and the product of Ruth Richardson’s brilliant benefit cuts but that does not excuse Paula’s mind numbingly stupid decision.

    Frankly it worries me that a person like this is in charge of social welfare, there is no doubt that Paula has the skill set and talents to be a minister but I have to ask what the hell was Key thinking when she gave Bennett this ministry.
    Paula’s daughter is an adult, she (Paula) cannot spend the rest of her life trying to cover up or make the best of her daughters mistakes, it would be far better for Paula to tell her daughter that if she insists on seeing this evil piece of shit then that is her choice and as an adult she has to take the consequences of that decision but that she will have to do it without the support of influence of her mother.

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  5. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Pity the young Bennett girl didn’t use contraception.

    Wonder what attracted her to this lovely, charming, gentile young man?

    What a real shame that there is such a difficult situation.

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  6. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    Look, we have spent years leaving politicians children out of public discussion. If Paula Bennet is to be subjected to this, I suggest that the sacred cow subject of Sue Bradford’s children could be granted the same level of attention by our media scum. After all, any alleged “hypocrisy” on Paula Bennett’s part, pales into insignificance alongside Sue Bradford’s.

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  7. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    greenfly said “Puzzling then David, why you would post your opinion in the public domain as well.”

    FFS greenfly – you have been on and on about DPF posting his personal view about DNA testing for a week or more. Now you complain because he HAS posted a personal opinion! What else is a blog for, if it is not a forum for the author and visitors to express their opinions?

    So here’s my personal opinion – you are a hypocrite; you are a troll; you cannot defend the indefensible; you, and the party for whom you advocate are totally out of touch with reality.

    Right – got that off my chest, and I feel SOOOOOOOOOO musch better :-)

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  8. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    What did Bradfords offspring get up to in a overview type way of description that won’t get you into problems?

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  9. nz capitalist (306 comments) says:

    The only reason this matter has come to light is because of dirty politics by her opponents…(fellow National MPs, I mean)…and prior to her unexpected promotion in November no one knew a thing about it.

    It is no one else’s business and should not be a continual media story, in my opinion; it is not as if she is married to this chap, or involved with criminal activities.

    All the handwringing is just ‘middle class’ and predictable and pathetic.

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  10. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Big bruv, Bennett is one of those utterly useless bloody social workers.
    Hell I would rather see Collins with the portfolio at least she is competent and there is no chance she would have a crim staying in a Wellington ministerial house.

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  11. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    Inventory2 – glad you’re feeling better. Of course I support Mr Farrar blogging on whatever topic he chooses – it’s his blog after all. I noticed a contradiction (I find so many of them here) where he chides Paul Holmes for offering his opinion on Paula Bennett, her daughter and granddaughter’s father, in the public media, but goes on to do just that himself. Just making a point. Your mention of the DNA issue reminds me that there is real interest in the issue (a far more important one than the Bennett issue) and raises the hope that Farrar will cover it soon. :-)

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  12. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    grumpy

    Now you are talking, however I rather hope that Collins has her eye on a MUCH bigger job.

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  13. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    big bruv, no chance, unless the Nats want to give Labour the opportunity about raving how another Richardson is in charge who will sell the family silver.
    Go out and ask some normal Nat types what they want, not what the ACT party would wish for.
    This may sound strange but Labour and the nats have a damn sight more in common than National/ ACT.

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  14. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori said “Big bruv, Bennett is one of those utterly useless bloody social workers.”

    Now that’s not right goh – if she was a social worker, there’s no way she would have advised herself to get a degree then get a good-paying job. If she was a social worker she would have counselled herself to go on and stay on a benefit, receive intensive psychotherapy, get all bitter and twisted and seek damages for perceived wrongs, undergo therapy to “recovery memory” of horrific abuse for which she would be entitled to ACCV compensation, and above all, to fill her home with children.

    Nah, she’s not a social worker at all.

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  15. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    nz capitalist , bollocks , he is a piece of shit who a minister of the crown should stay well clear of.
    Middle class hand wringing, again bollocks, half my mob are middle class the others working class.
    The difference being if he tried hanging around one of my nieces he would be told to fuck off in no uncertain terms.
    He would find wiping his arse difficult with both arms in plaster.

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  16. stuarts-burgers (96 comments) says:

    When I heard Homes on ZB banging his gums about this my reaction was Pot Calling Kettle Black and with his remarks being repeated in the press this morning I still feel the same way.

    One question about we could ask about Viliami Halaholo is did he breach bail when he was at the Bennett household, cause I think young Milly did, but then daddy put her in an Apartment. Maybe if she was at home then there would have been more family support like there seems to be in the Bennett household.

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  17. Ferdinand (93 comments) says:

    I think you lot will find the left has been pro-Bennett and anti-media on this one. It’s funny that DPF has no time to denounce the poking around in people’s private lives that has been done by the right.

    IV2, we still have seen no comment from DPF over the proposed extensions to the DNA database. Given his strong reputation as a defender of freedom on matters including the EFA I would have hoped he would lend his influence to a campaign to stop legislation that contravenes the BORA and has the potential to impinge on the most personal property we have: our own genetic code.

    Or does DPF only defend freedom when it suits the National Party’s agenda?

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  18. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    It’s a funny old world. No one with any power in the media or parliament, including Paul Holmes has a problem with the decision of the judge to give Kurakiri several chances, nor has he hounded any of the parole board over the release of Graeme Burton and others. They were and are real demonstratable risks, released by people who have no accountability. But hey, forget that, just bang on Bennet because she isn’t a Labour MP. :roll:

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  19. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Bruv – good to see you coming around on this issue. you were thinking like a pinko a few weeks back.

    so… not only does this clown beat people around the face with a bit of fencing… he is also a drug user.

    wonder what he was using while on bail? did he have to wait for PB to go to wellington before he could get stoned? maybe he loves the P…

    great judgement from a minister. shame key cant sack her yet.

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  20. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Dime

    Key can and should sack her, the longer he leaves it the worse it will get for him.

    He should use the early years of the Klark gov’t as an example and stand down any minister who is under suspicion.

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  21. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    bruv – i agree, he should give her the flick. he wont though. the left will go apeshit.. call him a racist.. a sexist etc it will haunt him for years.

    next cabinet reshuffle though, she should be given a lower profile job.

    id just like to say.. for all of those that were in favour on PB when this first leaked.. what the hell were you thinking? never fall into the trap of defending everyine thats “on your side”.. we are better than that!

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  22. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    greenfly – “I noticed a contradiction (I find so many of them here) ” you have made 352 comments after all,
    we’re a bit tired of your contradictions as well !!

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  23. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    It must be disappointing to bring up a daughter just to see her in the company of pieces of scum as this gang member.

    You can only wonder what this young woman finds in that savage. Neither brains nor intellectual appeal, for sure.

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  24. baxter (893 comments) says:

    I agree with BIG BRUV and Paul HOLMES….I am not a fan of Holmes as a broadcaster but he did more than could reasonably be expected in respect of MILLIE just as Paula BENNETT has done in support of her daughter and scumbag defacto. In each case each parent should re-act as HOLMES now suggests.I don’t think that BENNETT’s suitability as a minister has been compromised to date, perhaps even enhanced, but it will be if she doesn’t drop the hot potato now!

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  25. MT_Tinman (3,187 comments) says:

    Bruv, Dime, a lot of us have a weakness when it comes to our children.

    Just ask my wallet.

    As long as Bennett continues to reserve her lack of judgment for her children and does her job well (and doesn’t expect me to like, sympathise, support or accept the scum) I can’t see a problem.

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  26. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    There is no doubt Paula and her daughter Ana have some tough decisions, either way its none of our bloody business and the media could try look a lot less like a lame hack tabliod as well.

    Unless thats what they actually are of course.

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  27. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    Holmes is advising Bennett to apply ‘tough love’ to her situation. Given that ‘tough love’ is a key right wing concept, I’m astonished that posters here are not whole-heartedly supporting Holmes. Have you become the new ‘bleeding hearts’?

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  28. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Or is it possible that your perceptions of “right wing concepts” are very much like your comments. Just plain full of shit.

    But of course you are never wrong, you’re a socialist. Thanks for the state of the country, the economy, our youth violence and general all round well being resulting from all your good ideas.

    Please go and help some other society now. I hear the Martians could use your lbieral white guilt hand wringing ideas this week.

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  29. greenfly (1,059 comments) says:

    “Tough Love” isn’t something you support Murrary? Well, I am surprised. No “Three Strikes, You’re Out” for you? I was certain that was central to the right-wing view of justice! Apologies for my wrong-thinking.

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  30. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    Murray is correct in that it is none of our business.

    Holmes is no ‘tough love’ parent. He gave this child untold money so she did not have to work, and set her up in her own apartment for heaven’s sake. She had far too much money and free time – a deadly combination.

    I don’t know what the answer is, but Paul Holmes self-righteousness is hardly part of the solution. He should look to his own self.

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  31. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    tinny – thing is, hes not one of her kids. let his own family deal with it.

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  32. jackp (668 comments) says:

    I agree with David. I think if Halaholo were out only after a short visit in jail, then there would be something very suspicious, something you will find with Labour. It was all in the open. She didn’t even used her own stationary. I think the Herald should be embarrased about writing such garbage. May I ask a question? Who cares? Bennett did nothing wrong.

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  33. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    Agree with much of the above. Disappointing to see the lives of an MP’s children dragged in to the media spotlight. Can’t remember it happening to a Labour or Green MP but is that me just being suspicious of left wing MSM bias?

    Paula Bennett is sticking by her daughter and her choice of partner and that is understandable. I think some grace on the public’s part is called for in this very messy situation.

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  34. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    # Glutaemus Maximus (1302) 5 0 Says:
    February 15th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    “What did Bradfords offspring get up to in a overview type way of description that won’t get you into problems?”

    No response so far on this thread.

    See, us rightwingers are all too decent to say. I personally feel like I have already demeaned myself enough by even mentioning it, and don’t want to say any more. But warm thanks to everyone who has given me the positive karma, I sweated a bit about saying even as much as I did.

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  35. AG (1,827 comments) says:

    “See, us rightwingers are all too decent to say. I personally feel like I have already demeaned myself enough by even mentioning it, and don’t want to say any more.”

    That’s pretty weak, Phil. How “decent” of you to throw mud, then sit back with a smug grin and try to claim the moral high-ground! Either you don’t mention Bradford’s kids at all, or you are in the dirt with the Herald/SS Times … there isn’t a middle ground you can sit on here.

    Anyway – what’s with all the reluctance about casting stones at the parenting skills of others? Only yesterday the General Debate thread was clogged full of people damning Pihama Cameron’s mother for her alleged lack of supervision/control over her child. Where are all you folks now? Do white, National MPs get a free pass when their kids go off the rails? Why aren’t you all clamoring to go up to Paula Bennett’s house and smack some sense into her daughter? F-ing hypocrites, the lot of you.

    (Honourable exception to Big Bruv – he’s an equal opportunity stone thrower. Hate your principles, BB, but at least you stick to them!)

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  36. Helensphotogenicimposter (244 comments) says:

    “Anyway – what’s with all the reluctance about casting stones at the parenting skills of others? Only yesterday the General Debate thread was clogged full of people damning Pihama Cameron’s mother for her alleged lack of supervision/control over her child. Where are all you folks now? Do white, National MPs get a free pass when their kids go off the rails? Why aren’t you all clamoring to go up to Paula Bennett’s house and smack some sense into her daughter? F-ing hypocrites, the lot of you.”

    Paula Bennet had Halaholo at her home trying to knock some sense into him before he got killed by an enraged victim of his crimes. Mrs Cameron only tried to redeem her son after he was killed. Her actions are reactionary. Its a total lack of respect for the law abiding community. She should have been out looking for him stopping him from vandalising people’s property in the first place. She should have taken responsibility for her son before he got himself killed. All due respect to Mr Emeury, another place and another time it would have been me, or half the other bloggers on this site taking his place. What if a Middle aged woman had taken his place? Mrs Cameron would have looked even more the fool.

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  37. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    Who said Bradford’s kids are off limits anyway?

    When that evil and vile woman pokes her nose into my family and tells me how I should raise my kids then I reckon that is the green light as far as her family goes.

    She cannot have it both ways.

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  38. dimmocrazy (286 comments) says:

    Bruv, absolutely true. Bradford would not hesitate for one second if you would be the hapless idiot that went too far in misguided attempts at parenting, to drag your sorry ass before the floodlight in every possible excruciating detail for all to see and snigger about. Sauce for the goose I’d say. In any event, I am personally convinced that a lot MORE openness on all these issues would actually help, but that should apply to everybody. The whole system we now have with grovelling bureaucrats with Marxist-Leninist social science theories fried into their brains, pouring over their secret files that contain their leftist conclusions about other peoples’ private lives are in fact more part of the problem than of the solution.

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  39. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    With your kind indulgence David – may I offer my own observations on this? Your readers may enjoy it. http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2009/02/heralds-ego-trip-violates-privacy-laws.html

    thanks Lee – MWT

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  40. oob (191 comments) says:

    It must be disappointing to bring up a daughter just to see her in the company of pieces of scum as this gang member.

    As one of the tax payers who paid the DPB bill for Bennett to raise her gang slut I can say categorically; yes, I am disappointed. This investment didn’t pay the dividend me and the rest of the tax payers were hoping for.

    With the benefit of hindsight, with the exorbitant costs that I have paid into this investment in Paula’s case in mind and with a view towards the massive ongoing costs of raising Paula’s slut daughter’s bastard and incarcerating and dole-paying her gang-member father, I’d like to cancel this investment. Please;

    -Repay all the welfare Paula scoffed raising her gang mole daughter.
    -Deport Halaholo and its family of welfare guzzlers and violent criminals back to wherever they came from.
    -Sterilise Paula and he daughter to avoid further DPB pregnancies.
    -Adopt out the granddaughter in the hope that it can be raised to become a productive individual rather than a Bennett criminal/welfare recipient.

    [DPF: And that's an easy 30 demerits for the slut comments. Should be more]

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  41. Helensphotogenicimposter (244 comments) says:

    Hang on oob,

    Paula’s daughter is going to university, so lets give her the benefit of the doubt.

    Paula would admit to making mistakes in her life, but she did not absolve responsibility of her daughter and by trying to do right by her daughter and grand daughter shows courage. In spite of what we think of him, Halaholo is still youbg enough to change his ways and take responsibility for his daughter. While it may suck to be Paula Bennet or Paul Holmes in this situation, you cannot pick and choose your family and you cannot always be accountable for the choice of partner your children will make. However you have to support your family through both good and bad, otherwise your children will seek out the false family of a gang.

    No one interfared with Halaholo’s judicial process. He will not reform unless he wants to. Perhapse the love of a real family will help motivate him. If Paula was not part of this process, then quite frankly she should not be the minister of social development.

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  42. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Gueez wept folks …. there are some crap posters in this thread but oob takes the cake with comments so pathetic, dumb and stupid that I hope he/she is never afforded the privilege off having children … much less let loose in trying to bring them up in a Kyle Chapman type environment …..

    Paula’s child a “gang slut”
    “slut childs bastard”
    “Steralise Paula and her daughter”

    Real Real classy ….

    As for GOH … your posts are getting more surreal each day. So what was your advice to Ms King (you know, your beloved Deputy Leader of EFA Fame) re the drags found in her Ministerial car after her daughter crashed it and how do you spell hypocrite.

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