NZ Aid

March 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

Denis Welch blogs an interesting reminder:

With regard to the argument over foreign minister Murray McCully’s decision to pull the semi-autonomous NZAid program back under the umbrella of Foreign Affairs, that tinny sound you can hear is being hypocritical in its attacks on the move.

In the course of research for my book on Helen Clark I interviewed Matt Robson, the Alliance MP who was disarmament minister and associate foreign affairs minister 1999–2002. He told me that he and Clark ‘clashed mightily over the setting up of NZAid, to the point of warfare. She backed Foreign Affairs keeping the aid division with only a few minor changes.

So the change was pushed through by the Alliance, and resisted by Labour. Just like Kiwibank which Labour opposed at first.

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17 Responses to “NZ Aid”

  1. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    It is interesting that so much of the commentary around National policy initiatives these days centres on discussing why Labour are hypocrites for criticising them! :-P

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  2. oob (191 comments) says:

    Let’s cut all the welfare handouts, right now.

    No more DPB. No more Dole. No more Waitangi gifts.

    And no more handouts to the 3rd world.

    The overburdened are tired of supporting the lifestyle choices of the undeserving in this country, let alone rewarding the indolent in other countries.

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  3. baxter (893 comments) says:

    Well there is ample scope for savings on contributions to the United Nations Development Fund. When National left office contributions were $700,000. Under CLARK it rose each year to a height of $16 million just before the 2005 election before falling back to stabilise at $12million. More than Australia pays. A contribution holiday seems to be indicated until our total contributions equal $700, 000 a year inflation adjusted over the past nine years. Too late to do anything about the criminal,she’s got diplomatic immunity now.

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  4. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Whatever, if the repellent Robson was for it, it had to be a bad idea.

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  5. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    With respect, it seems that Phil Goff and Our Dear Former Leader and Future World Supremo have a difference of opinion on this. Good on Phil for standing up with an identifiable policy of his own!

    Pity it doesn’t make sense, but what they hay, at least he has his own views.

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  6. Ratbiter (1,265 comments) says:

    oob – hear hear! Starving africans should just re-structure their portfolios a bit better and stop whinging eh?

    If they’re not smart enough to do that, I guess they’re just not competitive enough to make it in today’s free market world…?

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  7. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Ratbiter, how many billions have been sent to Africa over the years and the place is still a shit hole. Has it ever occurred to you that in some cases charity may not be the right answer. I would even be so bold to suggest that charity has been a great little earner for many dubious charities and monkey on the back for African people, perhaps it is time for a different approach.

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  8. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    Yes, in between bouts of chronic diarrhea, those bludging desperately poor people should all just get jobs and work hard and be rich.

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  9. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    These guys haven’t been using the wrong approach.. Guinea worm, not fun.

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  10. big bruv (13,904 comments) says:

    I simply don’t give a shit about the starving millions in Africa?

    All of my life I have been told by pinko’s that I MUST give away some more of my money to stop people starving to death in Bangladesh, Darfur, Sudan, and countless other shit holes.

    I am over it, I just dont care.

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  11. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    yeah thats right george, the aid made such a huge difference hasnt it?

    oh whats that, the money has been stolen by kleptocratic dictators whose lifestyles we subsidise because they are “democratically elected” like Robert Mugabe.

    Or you could look closer to home. How much benefit has been delivered through aid into the Pacific in the last 40 years. How many Pacific countries can you name where economic progress has been achieved.

    Simple questions. What is the average life expectancy? What is the GDP per capita income? since “independence” of, oh

    The Solomon Islands
    Fiji
    Papua New Guinea
    Tokelau
    Tuvalu

    to start with.

    To answer my own questions. The only country in the Pacific to have done better than “break even” is Western Samoa – and that still means desperately poor. All the others have gone backwards under all the relevant indices.

    The Pacific is an interesting case study because:
    1. its next door
    2. its the major recipient of NZ aid
    3. per capita PI countries receive far more aid than any other region on earth
    4. the “institutions” of government are largely in place

    therefore, if you believe in the aid model the Pacific should be doing better than other aid recipients.

    any evidence?

    so where did all that aid money go?

    (don’t fall over that gold coast condo and 4wd belonging to the Prime Minister of xxxxxxxx on the way out)

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  12. unaha-closp (1,165 comments) says:

    All of my life I have been told by pinko’s that I MUST give away some more of my money to stop people starving to death in Bangladesh, Darfur, Sudan, and countless other shit holes.

    I am over it, I just dont care.

    Before that it was China and India, but then they got capitalism and got out of poverty. 900,000,000 million lifted out of poverty by free trade and doing the hardwork themselves. George, ratbiter will not mention this.

    Our pinko crowd prefers aid recipients to be grateful and respectful and most importantly continually poor.

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  13. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    And that they should make little brightly coloured trickets out of organic material that can be bought 100 for the $1 and given away as tokens of right-on PC activism.

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  14. Repton (769 comments) says:

    The best thing to help the Starving Millions ™ in Africa would be to get the US and EU to cut their import tarriffs. Give the African nations a chance to earn some money…

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  15. Repton (769 comments) says:

    @the deity formerly known as nigel6888: Gapminder has some data on pacific nations. It’s incomplete — notably, to me, it seems to lack any information on Tokelau and Tuvalu. But you can plot, say, life expectancy and adjusted-GDP-per-capita for other pacific nations to get an idea of how they are going.

    Have a look at this graph: link Try winding the date back to around 1940 and clicking “play”. You’ll see small improvements in income for most of the smaller nations, and big improvements in life expectancy — which suggests that _something_ about life is getting better. You can also see a decrease in fertility (i.e. family size), which also tends to be a good indicator.

    Unfortunately gapminder seems to lack data on things like literacy rates or education levels for most of those countries, so you can’t look at that. I’m not sure what “indicators” you’re referring to, but if you have or know of good data, I’m sure they’d love you to submit it.

    PS. If you haven’t seen or heard of this site before, this video explaining it is amazing and well worth 20 minutes of your time: http://www.gapminder.org/videos/ted-talks/hans-rosling-ted-2006-debunking-myths-about-the-third-world/

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  16. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    The best thing to help the Starving Millions ™ in Africa would be to get the US and EU to cut their import tarriffs.

    Yes. Don’t forget the subsidies though. Every half decent aid agency on the planet will agree with those conclusions, but apart from lobbying, there’s not a lot they can do about it.

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