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Why do many poor people seem to like living in squalor. Don’t mow lawns, have rubbish piled up inside and out, have filthy houses and let their kids draw all over the walls, never open windows and let mould grow over everything. Better off people who live like that are called eccentrics or less charitably, loons. Is it so hard to have some respect for oneself and environment. All those Greenies should perhaps be teaching these people how to wash and clean instead of what they should be eating. They might learn some self-respect.
The mans blood relatives are claiming it is a cultural issue and that people should respect Maori traditions.
If the issue is one of respect, why did they not respect the wishes of their relative and allow him to be buried where he wanted to be? Why not respect his wishes that his life partner take care of him after his death?
I understand that after decades of living outside his whanau and their lifestyle, that his blood family would want him around after his death, but that is not what he wanted. He had a family he obviosuly loved and put first and I believe he should have been buried where and how he wished to be.
“All those Greenies should perhaps be teaching these people how to wash and clean instead of what they should be eating.”
Brian – how do you know “these people” are not the Greenies? You sometimes see a clapped out rusted 1970’s skoda in the driveway with all the ‘equal land rights for gay whales’ stickers over the back window
Is someone who accepts living in squalor more likely to be poor? Or are poor people more likely to live in squalor? Maybe some either way. Not so much here but slums are a prime example.
It is ironic, the unemployed, presumably with time on their hands, manage to do less of the basics than busy people. Not all of them but it seems to be e tendency. A feeling of hopelessness may play a big part.
The learned judge MUST have known the likely outcome of asking the tribe to do the decent thing. All that has happened, is that he has put the woman to even more legal expense as she will now have to return to the court to seek the direct and enforcable order that she had a right to expect.
And if I had my way, when it eventually happens, the disinterment should be carried out with a shovel by the district commander of the police district that opted not to act on the original court order.
Great pic chthoniid. A bee-mimic, isn’t nature just incredible. An entire species of fly who want to be something else!
Brian -”Why do many poor people seem to like living in squalor”
Top marks for asking a brave question. I hope you don’t get ripped apart by the resident rabid socialists, who will undoubtedly say you are bennie bashing, brown bashing, etc…
The fact is your observation is accurate. I believe it is because they have no self respect, were never taught about pride and making the most of whatever situation you find yourself in. When I drive past a house with grass a foot high and crap everywhere, I simply think that there is the home of someone who has given up on life and is just going through the motions. The fact that so many of these are young people/families is just sad.
CraigM / Cerium – I believe that most people, even when down at heel, still manage to do basic household chores. Don’t get me wrong – I am not the tidiest of people, but I keep the floor clean, scrub the dunny, make sure benches wiped down and never let my kids use bedroom walls and ceiling for tagging.
How much was that old codger Palmer paid to come up with strategies to curb the drinking culture in NZ? This lot of fuddy-duddies need to understand that the genie has long escaped the ‘bottle’, and that there is a new generation exposed to the more liberal drinking laws, whom will basically tell him and his ilk, to ’sod-off’ and stop wasting taxpayer’s money.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Simple example – I know someone who is unemployed at the moment. For a few months. They have tried quite hard at times to find a job. As time has gone open they have been getting up later and doing less around the home. I don’t think this is uncommon.
Chthoniid
Another great shot. I had a lovely experience on Tuesday. Went for a drive out to Berowa Waters north of Sydney and we were having a little picnic. (Ploughman’s lunch , cheese, pate, cold sausage, baguette and wine) when down out of the trees a rather large kookaburra
popped and made itself at home on the picnic table. It then attacked without invite the cold sausage (bloody vegan) . Tried to give it some bread but no interest.
The thing was just how happy it was to hang out for about 20 minutes. And by hanging out I mean anywhere from 30 cm away to about 2 meters, never further. Great condition, beautiful bird. Far from the beige colour I sort of thought they were. Lots of blues, and greens and brown in small flecks.
@Brian Smaller – the outside reflects how they feel on the inside. Turn your question around. How would you like to live FEELING like that? Yeah… eewwww.
Your mission to destroy education is nearing completion.
The fight over school curriculum in Texas, recently focused on biology, has entered a new arena, with a brewing debate over how much faith belongs in American history classrooms.
The Texas Board of Education, which recently approved new science standards that made room for creationist critiques of evolution, is revising the state’s social studies curriculum. In early recommendations from outside experts appointed by the board, a divide has opened over how central religious theology should be to the teaching of history.
Three reviewers, appointed by social conservatives, have recommended revamping the K-12 curriculum to emphasize the roles of the Bible, the Christian faith and the civic virtue of religion in the study of American history. Two of them want to remove or de-emphasize references to several historical figures who have become liberal icons, such as César Chávez and Thurgood Marshall.
“..Brian – how do you know “these people” are not the Greenies? You sometimes see a clapped out rusted 1970’s skoda in the driveway with all the ‘equal land rights for gay whales’ stickers over the back window..”
Paul – The horse has bolted from the gate and will be too hard to catch, we’ll just have to let it go. This is the approach you’re advocating. That would be fine except for the fact that the consequences of letting us all drink alcohol the way we do in New Zealand (and by we I mean 10 to 12 years olds as well) are too stark to ignore.
Palmer was given the job by the past Government. Why blame him for doing what he was asked to do? Blame Lianne Dalziel if you don’t like it.
HERE’S THE FUNNY THING, HE DIDN’T ALWAYS WRITE THAT WAY!
phil u Vote: 0 0 Says:
February 14th, 2005 at 9:57 am
kimble; finished licking your wounds have you? think your up to it for another go?
and that was the best you could do?
i’m all for voluntary outing kimble.
my name is phillip ure; i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot), ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels), vegan,dpb supported sole dad(thanks), environmental/animal rights activist/supporter.
my lineage is irish, scots, welsh; filtered through five generations in this wonderful country. (did anyone see connolly last night, whoar!)
i have travelled/lived in aust, usa, europe, china/asia and other parts of the planet.
i loathe racists with an intensity that is visceral.
i find that if you scratch a racist you will find an astounding lack of intellectual rigor. basically they are as thick as pigshit, (a trait you kimble, have excelled in)
i have a masters degree in politics, and have worked in broadcasting (radio) in usa, aust, and here.
i am currently developing a news/info/opinion/debate website; which is a component in a larger plan involving radio/tv broadcasting.
(if you want to have a go at me at home try http://www.whoar.co.nz; a basic model is up; the bells and whistle version in about a week).
so how about you kimble?; you’re a former high flying(?) national party official aren’t you?
i’m glad you’ve thrown down this gauntlet and am looking forward to you telling us who you are, so we can put a face to the bile that seeps through your lips.
by the way i loved the “needle dick” epiphet; heartiest chuckle i’ve had on this site, (and there have been a few) mainly because of the reaction i knew it would have amongst you right wing/racist needle-dicks; (you know who you are)
@Brian Smaller – the outside reflects how they feel on the inside. Turn your question around. How would you like to live FEELING like that? Yeah… eewwww.
Good point. I would rather be dead than live like that.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 am
Paul – The horse has bolted from the gate and will be too hard to catch, we’ll just have to let it go. This is the approach you’re advocating. That would be fine except for the fact that the consequences of letting us all drink alcohol the way we do in New Zealand (and by we I mean 10 to 12 years olds as well) are too stark to ignore.
Palmer was given the job by the past Government. Why blame him for doing what he was asked to do? Blame Lianne Dalziel if you don’t like it.
Well, Palmer was the Minister of Justice in 1989 that passed the reforms in the first place. And for the record, I know that the boose problem is out of control in NZ, but then again, so it was when I was a teenager way back in the 1960’s/70’s. Go figure.
Razork – wow – Apart from the shift key not functioning too well it was largely a coherent post from philu. That is a good example of what drugs can do.
@ Razork – proof that within four years there is an appreciable level of deterioration in cognitive skills as a result of continuous cannabis use. I notice the annoying cnut couldn’t spell back then either, though.
So what are you saying Paul – we had a problem then, we still have one now, and that we therefore shouldn’t do anything about it? Notwithstanding the fact there is no hoards more evidence of alcohol based harm now than there ever was in the 70s, and that the problems are reaching levels where we are all paying for others’ problems… I just don’t get your point. Are you saying it’s too broken so we shouldn’t bother?
patrick, he won’t tell us which uni the masters is from…. you know so the veracity of his claims can be checked.
and years ago he also claimed to be on the DPB just while his son settled into high school. by my reckoning his son must be nearing 18 now and philu will need to jump to the unemployment or ’sickness’ benefit until he’s eligible for national super in 7 years time.
if ever there was a poster ‘child’ for everything that’s wrong with the welfare state it’s philu.
Why do many poor people seem to like living in squalor. Don’t mow lawns, have rubbish piled up inside and out, have filthy houses and let their kids draw all over the walls, never open windows and let mould grow over everything
Poverty is squalor – It means poor food, no options.
Take mowing the lawn, for example, since you bought that up- that takes energy and if your diet is poor you have less energy, hardly rocket science. Thats just for starters. Your lawn mower, if you have one, will be in poor condition – and if it is a petrol one – well petrol costs money and if a choice has to be made between eating and lawn mower petrol what wins?
I find it kind of offensive that people who have options look down their noses at those who don’t.
Like that prat Sir Geoffrey Palmer wanting to knock cheap wine on the head thereby denying the poor simple pleasures, its in their own best interests of course, while he can continue to enjoy his fine wines whenever he wants.
Of course if the poor were granted dignity and respect that the more well heeled enjoy perhaps they would rise above their squalor but it will never happen – people need other people to look down upon and of course Socialism has a vested interest in maintaining a poor underclass because without it nobody would buy into its philosophy at all.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:36 am
So what are you saying Paul – we had a problem then, we still have one now, and that we therefore shouldn’t do anything about it? Notwithstanding the fact there is no hoards more evidence of alcohol based harm now than there ever was in the 70s, and that the problems are reaching levels where we are all paying for others’ problems… I just don’t get your point. Are you saying it’s too broken so we shouldn’t bother?
I’m saying that the drinking culture/problem is systemic in NZ society, and that the liberalisation of the alcohol laws only aggravated the problem. When Palmer et al relaxed the laws, they literally opened the flood gates to further abuse. Now they’re trying to stem the flow with a cork. To repeat, there’s a whole new generation and business’s established and built up and around the liquor licencing laws, so it’s a bit rich now for Palmer and co to try to turn back the clock.
The elephant in the room is that nowadays, that there is a complete disrespect by hoons for authority and the law. I was a hoon too (and a bad one), but though I ran the gauntlet of the law, at least I had respect for authority.
It is ironic, the unemployed, presumably with time on their hands, manage to do less of the basics than busy people.
Some time back a chap I work with shared accommodation with some unemployed boarders. Each morning he would put out his wet washing on the line; if it looked like rain at lunchtime he would wander back home and bring it in, etc., etc. The unemployed people simply used the dryer.
Just back from a month in Sri Lanka, and wow, have my memories been revived.
Poverty in New Zealand – that’s a joke! I was in a country that has NO welfare safety blanket (I don’t count the 300,000 current IDPs as they are an unusual case), and expects family to look after their own.
Poor driving in New Zealand – that’s a joke. Try maneuvering around 6 abreast tuk-tuks on a 2 lane road, all trying to get their vehicle up to 25 kph (no, I didn’t drive over there, I contributed to the economy by hiring a driver with nerves of steel.
Things cost a lot in New Zealand – what a CROCK! A 2 year old Suzuki Swift costs NZ$50,000 over there, but a tuk-tuk is only $300 if you make it mainly from bits you find on the side of the road.
Education is great in NZ. Ha! 13 years of education is mandatory and free in Sri Lanka – and most kids get 4 Cambridge Board Advanced General Certificate of Education (GCE-A Level) passes; if they are ALL at grade A the student is entitled to go to University for free as well. (Parents will give up any and everything to help their children get to university.)
Most SL people are HAPPY and it shows on their faces!
Oh, and there is some concern that, despite the war with the Tigers being over, GDP will only grow at circa 5% this year!!
“Of course if the poor were granted dignity and respect ”
You don’t get granted respect, you earn it; and you don’t get granted dignity, you display it! I have recently watched people with nothing beg – with dignity, and respected them for it.
Andrei, you need to get your head around the reality of the human state. You get your birthright, after that you fend for yourself, with others if they are so inclined and the benefit is mutual. Being “Granted” things makes you more dependent, not less!
andrei – it costs nothing and hardly any energy to pick up rubbish in your yard – the council come around and take it away if it is in bags at the footpath once a week (fuck – in parts of our town you can put rubbish out in shopping bags and it gets removed – you don’t even need those expensive council rubbish bags). It does not have to sit festering in bags around the section getting ripped apart by cats and dogs. I have seen people living in slums in India and Africa sweeping their dirt to keep a semblance of cleanliness. What energy does it cost to open the curtains and windows and let fresh air inside? Don’t give me that poor food = squalor. Maybe if you are so starved that malnutrition has reduced you to immobility – and I don’t see any starving people here.
Brian Smaller @ 8:05: Why do many poor people seem to like living in squalor.
Because they’ve been raised in a home like that and consider it to be normal. Universal welfare rewards laziness, and what you are seeing is the visible result of laziness, which is taught to children by parents (it’s a world view). That’s called intergenerational welfare dependence, and we’ve now got 3 or 4 generations who have never seen their parents work.
All those Greenies should perhaps be teaching these people how to wash and clean instead of what they should be eating
Please don’t encourage the vermin
***************** Snap quiz:
1) how much of the GDP does the government take?
2) the % of GDP taken by the government is your true tax rate. If you work for 45 years, how many of those years are spent doing nothing but paying taxes?
Great pic chthoniid. A bee-mimic, isn’t nature just incredible. An entire species of fly who want to be something else!
Thanks- pretending you something that might sting a predator has its advantages Especially when you don’t have to invest in all that expensive stinging-gear,
Alas with Varroa having decimated a lot of the honey-bee populations, fly species have become a lot more important for pollination work around gardens.
Phil I went to NZ when I was 22 about 27 years ago. Yep made a lot of money and was able to provide for a Partner (you would not know what that was – some-one who shares your life, you know – if you had one) and a son. A life full of travel, the best education and lots of happiness. I was able to provide a life of comfort and stability.
My son did not have to grow up knowing that his dad was not good enough to provide for him, but had to beg from others.
Nor did my son have to fear that he would live a life of squalor because he was never taught how to be a man and how to look after himself and ” those he loves” (I put that between quotation marks, because you might have a problem understanding this. You see we always want the best for those we really love.)
And he never had to see his dad or any other family have to escape the pathetic reality of their life by finding solace in drugs.
That forlorn stare into nothingness hoping for a better outcome than the last trip, knowing that the only thing at the end of the high is the sad scramble for the next because there is nothing in between.
And neither did he have to worry about bringing mates home and finally a girl friend because dad is stoned and embarrassing, or was he limited to only bringing home drongos and losers, because at least then he would not be embarrassed.
I laugh at you talking about people putting up money for charity.. you have been stealing our money for years.
You are a beggar that does not have the decency to go out on the street to beg. But what is worse is that you are taking money that could go to people who really need it.
nickb – phil repeatedly claims to have “a masters degree in politics”. No evidence of him in the Akl Uni graduate database though (Ref my 10:15 post). I guess he could photoshop a degree certificate and post it up for us. Or provide online proof. Or quit lying. Or something.
Shit you have to love the left they are turning on each other like feral pigs. Poor old Philin got another knife in the back from his commie mate trotts this morning. Seems Philin has strayed from the socialist democracy path, as if socialism was ever democratic, give me a fucking break, and needs to come back to the dark side after he called the Liarbore constitution “19th century. One karma point for Philin for that one. Why does Trotter persist, he and his screwed up philosophy have never worked, never will. He wants to get off his fat arse and find his socialist roots, in other words get a real job with real workers instead of hanging out with academic tosspots all day.
“Don’t mow lawns, have rubbish piled up inside and out, have filthy houses and let their kids draw all over the walls, never open windows and let mould grow over everything. ”
Wonder how many rich people don’t mow lawns, clean etc? You just don’t notice because they have the money to pay somebody else to do it (or rip up the lawn and put down bark chip/gravel and some tasteless shrubbery. Brrrr… can’t stand shrubberies – I walked through a new richish suburb of ‘tasteful’ grey and beige houses the other day and the only evident colour was the road signs).
Depends on your definition of rich Sam. A street in Naenae of ex-state houses all with well manicured lawns, tidy sections. The street next door with all current state houses is a dump. Rubbish everywhere, yards torn to shreds by the cars being paked/driven all over them. I guess it is true – you give people things they have not earned they generally do not value them.
I did the same search as getstaffed and got “Sorry, there are no graduates matching your search criteria in the database.” – what year did it say he got his masters?
Another fucken Phillip Ure wankfest. When will you guys learn?? Mr. Farrar is not going to ban him or he would have long ago. You keep responding to his shit, and keep writing about him, he’ll keep coming here. He loves it. He feeds off it. Can’t you see that’s why he comes here?? FFS.
NOt1tocommentoften – Hey correct. I misspelt his name on the search. So it’s confirmed that phil received a BA in 1996, and then an MA with Second Class Honours Second Division in Political Studies in 2009. I should add that he’s claimed to have the MA qual in 2005 so he’s still a liar.
Regarding Phil’s degree – he’s merely following the example set by Mary Anne Thompson who, so a court was told this week, had a Doctorate “in her head”, even though it wasn’t on paper. Phil obviously believes he has a degree, and that should be proof enough for us mere minions
NOt1tocommentoften – i provided evidence of my probity search – complete with a spelling mistake – an error to which i admitted. how is that lying? phil claimed in 2005 “to have a masters degree in politics”. he most demonstrably did not. that is lying.
PS: folks, please mention and/or debate the things that matter (even just plain interesting is fine) instead of feeding the trolls. If you found a particularly objectionable dog turd on the way to work you wouldn’t criticise it here, or even mention it, and IMHO the same goes for trolls.
Getstaffed – I was only stating that to offer some objectivity (and to be picky admiittedly) You stated “No evidence of him in the Akl Uni graduate database though (Ref my 10:15 post).” There is – I’ve seen it and you have now too. That isn’t true. I.e. a lie.
wtf is a BA and masters in politics involve anyway phil? Want a medal?
You still haven’t answered why you feel entitled to bludge off us every week instead of earning a living
This country is full with people who are malnourished spirititually, socially, emotionally as well as nutruitionally.
Sure you don’t see the canonical images of starvation – would you want to?
My daughter has had two school trips to Japan – you reckon thats ever a possibility for the kids from the homes you are decrying.
And how might those kids feel about that do you suppose?- or being knocked by their peers for wearing the wrong clothes? – and don’t say it doesn’t happen because it does all the damn time.
The impoverishment starts right there and getting out of it is possible but darned hard because you didn’t go to the right school and you don’t know the right people and people such as yourself will never give you a break but knock you every chance they get.
And I suppose after a lifetime of this some people just give up.
This country is full with people who are malnourished spirititually, socially, emotionally as well as nutruitionally.”
HAHAHA thats some funny shit.
“The impoverishment starts right there and getting out of it is possible but darned hard because you didn’t go to the right school and you don’t know the right people and people such as yourself will never give you a break but knock you every chance they get.”
heres an idea. finish high school and go to uni. or does auckland uni not accept people from otara? ffs
This country is full with people who are malnourished spirititually, socially, emotionally as well as nutruitionally.
Sure you don’t see the canonical images of starvation – would you want to?
Andrei – what utter new age crap, no offence intended.
Manourished spiritually? Join a religion, or an anti-religion if you are MNIJ (or me for that matter).
Malnourished socially? Join a club, go and join a walking group (walking is free), get a library card.
Malnourished emotionally? Grow up and realise that the world does not owe you anything – you have to take part in life to live.
Malnourished nutritionally? The last time the TV showed images of starving people in New Zealand it the Muliaga’s who gave evidence at that inquest that they were so poor that they could only eat thin vegetable soup and rice. It may come as a surprise to you that, I for one, did not believe them.
The ballot, asking whether smacking should be a criminal offence, raised fears yesterday that enthusiasts on both sides may try to corrupt the vote by stealing voting papers from letterboxes over the next few days.
How did the ballot do that?
Has anyone threatened to pinch ballots? Has it been a problem in the past?
It can’t be just an attention grabber can it? They wouldn’t want to give anyone any ideas.
“i am currently developing a news/info/opinion/debate website; which is a component in a larger plan involving radio/tv broadcasting.
(if you want to have a go at me at home try http://www.whoar.co.nz; a basic model is up; the bells and whistle version in about a week).”
Well if I go and take a look now I see zero-point-fuck-all debate etc., so, to my mind that is a comprehensive FAIL! Nevermind all the other things he has failed on such as “radio/tv broadcasting”. That is more than 4 years to get something off the ground, completely funded by me the taxpayer!
So you useless parsitic cunt, I think it is hightime you gave up on the website, flush the bong down the toilet, and step out into the real world and get a real job.
Malnourished nutritionally? The last time the TV showed images of starving people in New Zealand it the Muliaga’s who gave evidence at that inquest that they were so poor that they could only eat thin vegetable soup and rice.
Violence in New Zealand? The last time there was war on New Zealand soil was 1872!
Cerium – I’d be surprised if there was much basis for this story. There is a disincentive for both sides to steal ballots really. Unless you want to stereotype and say Khandallah mums will votes no and therefore pose a threat… haha.
Cerium – I would have though the already low risk of theft would be lower when the polling was closer, and greater (ie perpetrated by the underdog) when the polling was further apart.
When you were at school and needed a calculator who got it for you? Was it a trivial purchase or one that the family had to stretch to make? Or did you just have to do without?
When you got your first job – how did you find out about it – family friend perhaps? A colleague of your fathers, maybe?
And who did you get to provide your references? How did you know them?
And how did you dress? And how did you know how to dress? And who provided the appropriate clothes?
Yep. Throw in how to talk, how to manage money, how to drink responsibly, how to deal with anger, how to deal with setbacks, how to set goals, how to manage time, etc.
Re the ’squalor that (supposedly) accompanies the unemployed etc. .
Ignoring the fact that a bar of soap costs only a few cents, water tends to be free and that a lawn can be mown using a parang (albeit rather slowly), am I the only one who has noticed that the squalor seems to be most evident in those areas where the local population is largely Maori or Pacific island – and that it is actually very rarely ‘White’ in its locality?
IF that IS the case (and this is based purely on observations made while travelling throughout New Zealand), why, given that reputedly we all have access to the same system of education, and are all taught the basics about health etc, does this occur?
Is it because of welfare dependency, a basic underlying-laziness, a lack of education, an anti-landlord attitude, Or . . .?
Of course, having suggested the unpardonable (that squalor may be ethnically-based rather than economic) , I will of course sit back and watch as the outraged ‘lefties’ make their usual response, and proceed to accuse me of being a !%# racist.
I would however suggest that accusations about my racial views will not actually address the question, and request that, in the interests of ‘reasoned-debate’ (yes, it does happen sometimes) that responders look at the question, NOT the questioner, and perhaps actually try to provide an answer.
If I am wrong in my suggestion, tell me why, (politely please) and if I am right, at least concede that this is so . .
There’s a strong correlation between race, welfare dependency, and living in voluntary squalor. I believe that the common link between these things is world view.
A lot of these people live in state houses and many of them have little respect for property rights. That respect is reduced further where state property is involved and their Entitilitis makes them think that they are entitled to do what they like with that property (aided by the fact that the property owner isn’t going to punch their lights out, as a neighbour might when stolen from).
Mowing the lawn with a parang is feasible if you’re on welfare and you’ve got all day to do it.
When you were at school and needed a calculator who got it for you? Was it a trivial purchase or one that the family had to stretch to make? Or did you just have to do without?
I had a slide rule – still have it and still use it. I got my first calculator at Uni and fortunately I found it on the road going out to Massey (Palmy).
When you got your first job – how did you find out about it – family friend perhaps? A colleague of your fathers, maybe?
I rode my bike around all the local shops/businesses and asked if I could get job. When I was 12 I was doing paper round, and after school working cleaning smoko room in a local business. At College I worked in Chicken farms, washing dishes in restaurants and labouring. At Uni I worked packing bread at night.
And who did you get to provide your references? How did you know them?
No one did. I got my jobs off my own bat. My father painted houses so was not exactly an influential person in the community.
And how did you dress? And how did you know how to dress? And who provided the appropriate clothes?
When not in school uniform I wore tee shirts and jeans as a teenager. As a younger kid I wore dorky shorts and David Bain jerseys. My mother brought my clothes or made them.
nickb (86) Vote: 1 1 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:46 am
Sir Roger- what a trougher alright. Hypocrite.
Is he related to phil by any chance
Nick – Sir Roger and others have the right to free travel by virtue of previously being an MP/Minister – current status is irrelevant – Sir Geoffrey Palmer has and uses the same right so it is unfair to criticise them for using what that are entitled to unless you support not drawing sickness benefit when entitled. By all mean criticise the policy which no longer exists anyway.
Kiwipolemiscist
10/10 for the Bradford expose, do you have any info on how many of her 70+ criminal convictions I understand she has have a violence aspect.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Why did Xue get such a short sentence? 12 years for a brutal killing , and abandoning his child, and running away from it all.
Maybe they should just send him to club med instead.
Lets just say, in 12 years, Xue might be out.
But, his wife will still be dead and buried.
As i read it, it is a minimum 12 years, so could be longer.
But, for the sake of humouring you, what if he was sentenced to 24 years? Even after 24 years, his wife will still be dead and buried.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:39 pm
When you were at school and needed a calculator who got it for you? Was it a trivial purchase or one that the family had to stretch to make? Or did you just have to do without?
“Even after 24 years, his wife will still be dead and buried.”
You are correct. A good arguement for a life sentence meaning life. 12 years minimum for premeditated murder by manual strangulation seems ridiculously light.
I saw Key at school on Wednesday. I still thing there is something cool about the access New Zealanders have to their politicians compared with other countries.
I remember when I lived in Wellington and was entertaining some Aussies for lunch and we were actually talking about that fact when the (then) Deputy PM wandered over, said “hi” and sat down for lunch.
We take that sort of thing for granted in this country.
Today’s WaPo: It was an unsettling image: Arrayed in front of the neighborhood barbershop last week were four burly men with the characteristic earpieces and bulky suits that marked them as security officers. Inside, gracing the barber’s chair, was the well-trimmed director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Robert Mueller.
A slide rule huh. Actually that’s really cool, I wish I had one. But it dates you. As you know a slide rule is a precision instrument and in pre-calculator days probably somewhat expensive, in equivalent terms far more than a scientific calculator would be today would be my guess.
So who paid for it? And how many of your peers had one?
My father painted houses so was not exactly an influential person in the community.
A labourer? A tradesman? Or did he have his own business? For your father being of the WW2 generation, I’d guess and a trade qualification for that generation would carry more or less the equivalent status as a Bachelors degree would today – no?
How disadvantaged do you think you really were compared to your contemporaries?
@andrei Is this a competition? Can you only win if you have the most “disadvantaged” background?
My father was a council worker and lived in a council flat (well house if you must) but I had the most amazing and (as I look back on it ) privileged childhood.
andrei – everyone had a slide rule. We used them in sword fights. They were cheap even then. I wasn’t disadvantaged compared to my contemporaries. I wasn’t advantaged either.
How is any of that relevent to the fact that some people wont put their rubbish in bags and out on the street once a week? I repeat – they seem to like living in squalor.
As regards her criminal record, I’ve only been able to find a broad picture. Why is a person who has sworn to uphold the laws of NZ proud of her criminal convictions?
Andrei – I brought a scientific calculator for my son during the holidays from Warehouse Stationary. It cost $15. Reduced to $10 because I had a voucher from the junk mail. That was about the cost of a packet of cigarettes, or a couple of coffees or drinks at the Olympic Hotel, or a dvd rental, or a snack pack thingy frolm KFC. The reason that some poor kids don’t have a calculator is that their parents didn’t buy it. Don’t tell me that $10 is a lot to some people – then save for it at $1 a week for ten weeks, or 50c/week for 20 weeks – whatever it takes to get the thing that your kid needs at school.
andrei – You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o’clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down the mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt
Chthoniid
Another great shot. I had a lovely experience on Tuesday. Went for a drive out to Berowa Waters north of Sydney and we were having a little picnic. (Ploughman’s lunch , cheese, pate, cold sausage, baguette and wine) when down out of the trees a rather large kookaburra…Far from the beige colour I sort of thought they were. Lots of blues, and greens and brown in small flecks.
Thanks- I’m giving serious consideration to a photographic trip across the Tasman once lectures end. It’s been a good while and I appreciate the fact that the Australian avifauna are not at all shy about being photographed…
Really though, want to get some proper crocodile shots of the beasts in their natural habitat (N Queensland probably).
Reminds me of lunch at the Undara lava caves cafe with the local kookaburra perched handily ready to dive on a nearby post while the staff circled underneath it warily trying to protect the customers’ plates. Pretty birds and not stupid either.
@ patrick: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o’clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of ‘ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
Thanks. She’s got a MA in Chinese, so I was thinking of shipping her over there. She’d fit right in at the Great Hall of the People, and it’s just across the road from Tiananmen Square so she could have fun giving the order to fire when the next protest rolls around. I can just see her with a Chinese-made AK47, emptying magazine after magazine into the crowd of uppity proles…
Dumb? Maybe. Or it could have been a lapse of judgement. We all do things at times that we later wonder what the heck we were thinking (or not thinking). If we get away with it.
I attended the Local Govt AGM in Christchurch early this week- an outstanding conference where the government was very well received.
Rodney Hide was received quite well, despite some of his utterances.
However Rodney was saved from criticism when the Mayor of North Shore, Andrew Williams, asked a nasty and very personal question. Rodney answered it well and you could feel the support for Hide from the audience increase while there were rumblings of anger towareds Williams.
People later described Williams as a plonker. Some of the other stupid left wingers from Auckland also looked stupid, when they threatened to disrupt Hide’s speech.
What Hide and National are saying about local government is now very close to what LGNZ is saying.
Hide has been floating ideas about rate capping,amalgamation and transparency. Hide is not in the real cabinet process. National will not buy a fight with the local government sector, however there will be an emphasis on government reducing demands on local government with additional requirements and no finance. John Carter was a refreshibng voice, talking calmly and for the first time for years you felt the government was truly going to work with local government.
Contrary to what the bloggers might say, local government costs NZers about the cost of a coffee a day and delivers services like sewerage,water,libraries,swimming pools,roads etc. Not a bad deal. Some of our biggest critics can criticise but offer nothing.
Sorry Philu have not dispatched anything today but sent 5 calves to their maker via the bobby calf truck yesterday. Spring is such a lovely time of year, so much mayhem, so much new life. Just been out to check the cows and 10 new calves, oh joy, plenty of work tomorrow and I suppose it will bloody rain, such is life.
I hate WFF.
It has turned the nations middle class into a bunch of Phil U’s, more more more…..
Our nations middle class are now mostly state beneficiaries.
Let these people keep their money in the first place FFS, make private schooling/medical care tax deductible…
We have internalized the awful ethic of corporatism — one built around the cult of the self and consumption as an inner compulsion —
– to believe that living is about our own advancement .. and our own happiness at the expense of others.
What does that sound like to me phil?
Does a person having 38% of their wages stolen to pay for your living make you seem to feel like you are a “cult of the self”?
Phil, you still havne’t answered why you think you are entitled to live off the backs of others, even when 2 parent families with more kids than you can still both work 40+ hours. Your excuse for this fascinates me, as does your continual ducking of an answer- come on, you’re not normally short for a word
Haha ok phil will do.
Is anyone is disgusted by Roger Douglas’s behaviour as I am?
I know you will be phil.
What a prat. Has been in parliament half of his working life and is straight back in the trough after 6months of Parliament.
Bok and Angus….you are ignorant idiots…..and probably need someone toi wipe your bums and tuck you in at night as it seems you are not capable pof doing so yourselves going by your statements.
July 31st, 2009 at 7:48 am
Friday morning means another photo.
“Got Pollen?”
http://chthoniid.zenfolio.com/img/v7/p808541696-5.jpg
It’s a bee-mimic, so actually a harmless fly species…
July 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am
OK – here is a question.
Why do many poor people seem to like living in squalor. Don’t mow lawns, have rubbish piled up inside and out, have filthy houses and let their kids draw all over the walls, never open windows and let mould grow over everything. Better off people who live like that are called eccentrics or less charitably, loons. Is it so hard to have some respect for oneself and environment. All those Greenies should perhaps be teaching these people how to wash and clean instead of what they should be eating. They might learn some self-respect.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:16 am
Even at a stag party, why on earth would you put yourself in that position??
http://www.smh.com.au/national/best-man-allegedly-raped-by-stripper-at-bucks-night-20090730-e1v9.html
(unless you’re an aussie- and secretly ….)
July 31st, 2009 at 8:18 am
y’know it’s all sarah palins fault..eh..?
..the global economic meltdown..?
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/naomi-klein-lets-put-an-end-to-sarah-palin-style-capitalism/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am
“Whanau insist body stays put”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10587764
The mans blood relatives are claiming it is a cultural issue and that people should respect Maori traditions.
If the issue is one of respect, why did they not respect the wishes of their relative and allow him to be buried where he wanted to be? Why not respect his wishes that his life partner take care of him after his death?
I understand that after decades of living outside his whanau and their lifestyle, that his blood family would want him around after his death, but that is not what he wanted. He had a family he obviosuly loved and put first and I believe he should have been buried where and how he wished to be.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am
“All those Greenies should perhaps be teaching these people how to wash and clean instead of what they should be eating.”
Brian – how do you know “these people” are not the Greenies? You sometimes see a clapped out rusted 1970’s skoda in the driveway with all the ‘equal land rights for gay whales’ stickers over the back window
July 31st, 2009 at 8:24 am
No doubt number of answers to that Brian.
Is someone who accepts living in squalor more likely to be poor? Or are poor people more likely to live in squalor? Maybe some either way. Not so much here but slums are a prime example.
It is ironic, the unemployed, presumably with time on their hands, manage to do less of the basics than busy people. Not all of them but it seems to be e tendency. A feeling of hopelessness may play a big part.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:32 am
“Whanau insist body stays put”
The learned judge MUST have known the likely outcome of asking the tribe to do the decent thing. All that has happened, is that he has put the woman to even more legal expense as she will now have to return to the court to seek the direct and enforcable order that she had a right to expect.
And if I had my way, when it eventually happens, the disinterment should be carried out with a shovel by the district commander of the police district that opted not to act on the original court order.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:33 am
Great pic chthoniid. A bee-mimic, isn’t nature just incredible. An entire species of fly who want to be something else!
Brian -”Why do many poor people seem to like living in squalor”
Top marks for asking a brave question. I hope you don’t get ripped apart by the resident rabid socialists, who will undoubtedly say you are bennie bashing, brown bashing, etc…
The fact is your observation is accurate. I believe it is because they have no self respect, were never taught about pride and making the most of whatever situation you find yourself in. When I drive past a house with grass a foot high and crap everywhere, I simply think that there is the home of someone who has given up on life and is just going through the motions. The fact that so many of these are young people/families is just sad.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:39 am
CraigM / Cerium – I believe that most people, even when down at heel, still manage to do basic household chores. Don’t get me wrong – I am not the tidiest of people, but I keep the floor clean, scrub the dunny, make sure benches wiped down and never let my kids use bedroom walls and ceiling for tagging.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:43 am
How much was that old codger Palmer paid to come up with strategies to curb the drinking culture in NZ? This lot of fuddy-duddies need to understand that the genie has long escaped the ‘bottle’, and that there is a new generation exposed to the more liberal drinking laws, whom will basically tell him and his ilk, to ’sod-off’ and stop wasting taxpayer’s money.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:43 am
Simple example – I know someone who is unemployed at the moment. For a few months. They have tried quite hard at times to find a job. As time has gone open they have been getting up later and doing less around the home. I don’t think this is uncommon.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:46 am
Chthoniid
Another great shot. I had a lovely experience on Tuesday. Went for a drive out to Berowa Waters north of Sydney and we were having a little picnic. (Ploughman’s lunch , cheese, pate, cold sausage, baguette and wine) when down out of the trees a rather large kookaburra
popped and made itself at home on the picnic table. It then attacked without invite the cold sausage (bloody vegan) . Tried to give it some bread but no interest.
The thing was just how happy it was to hang out for about 20 minutes. And by hanging out I mean anywhere from 30 cm away to about 2 meters, never further. Great condition, beautiful bird. Far from the beige colour I sort of thought they were. Lots of blues, and greens and brown in small flecks.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:47 am
@Brian Smaller – the outside reflects how they feel on the inside. Turn your question around. How would you like to live FEELING like that? Yeah… eewwww.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:52 am
ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!
Your mission to destroy education is nearing completion.
The fight over school curriculum in Texas, recently focused on biology, has entered a new arena, with a brewing debate over how much faith belongs in American history classrooms.
The Texas Board of Education, which recently approved new science standards that made room for creationist critiques of evolution, is revising the state’s social studies curriculum. In early recommendations from outside experts appointed by the board, a divide has opened over how central religious theology should be to the teaching of history.
Three reviewers, appointed by social conservatives, have recommended revamping the K-12 curriculum to emphasize the roles of the Bible, the Christian faith and the civic virtue of religion in the study of American history. Two of them want to remove or de-emphasize references to several historical figures who have become liberal icons, such as César Chávez and Thurgood Marshall.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124753078523935615.html
July 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
here is one for the ;free-marketeers/’the recession is over’-believers/the ‘green-shooters’..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/our-economy-has-failed-its-the-reaganomics-stupid/
read..!..cuppa tea..!..wee lie-down..!
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:13 am
Ok, a little perdantic here, but anyway.
The word is “Performance”
not “Preformance”
you “Perform”, not “Preform”
When I hear everyday people getting it wrong, it’s mildly annoying, but to hear broadcasters and professional voices do it does my head in.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:13 am
“..Brian – how do you know “these people” are not the Greenies? You sometimes see a clapped out rusted 1970’s skoda in the driveway with all the ‘equal land rights for gay whales’ stickers over the back window..”
patrick..you are so hysterically funny..!
..do you have some really old joke books..?
..that you troll for material..
“..‘equal land rights for gay whales..”
i haven’t heard that one in ages..
..(still a ‘classic’ tho’.eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:15 am
btw..is the natty conference on in akkers..?
wanna do a ‘dunk the whoar’..?
..to the highest bidder..?
..all monies raised to be split between two charities..?
..you choose one..?
..i’ll choose one..?
..whoar..!
phil(whoar
July 31st, 2009 at 9:21 am
bok..did you have to hire a trailer..?
..to haul the food..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:22 am
bok told me he’s really rich..he’ll put in a high bid..
..eh..?
(he cashed-up in kaffir-land..eh..?
..and fled here..
..to browns bay..
..to be with his ‘own’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:23 am
“wanna do a ‘dunk the whoar’..?”
annual wash?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 am
sure phil. I have $20k for the “Help Philip Ure by stopping his welfare and sending him to a 6 month isolation drug detox on Bouvet Island” charity.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 am
Paul – The horse has bolted from the gate and will be too hard to catch, we’ll just have to let it go. This is the approach you’re advocating. That would be fine except for the fact that the consequences of letting us all drink alcohol the way we do in New Zealand (and by we I mean 10 to 12 years olds as well) are too stark to ignore.
Palmer was given the job by the past Government. Why blame him for doing what he was asked to do? Blame Lianne Dalziel if you don’t like it.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 am
they like browns bay..
..’cos.(.funny really..given the name)
..there aren’t many maaari there..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:27 am
@ Razork pedantic….
Sorry
July 31st, 2009 at 9:28 am
HERE’S THE FUNNY THING, HE DIDN’T ALWAYS WRITE THAT WAY!
phil u Vote: 0 0 Says:
February 14th, 2005 at 9:57 am
kimble; finished licking your wounds have you? think your up to it for another go?
and that was the best you could do?
i’m all for voluntary outing kimble.
my name is phillip ure; i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot), ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels), vegan,dpb supported sole dad(thanks), environmental/animal rights activist/supporter.
my lineage is irish, scots, welsh; filtered through five generations in this wonderful country. (did anyone see connolly last night, whoar!)
i have travelled/lived in aust, usa, europe, china/asia and other parts of the planet.
i loathe racists with an intensity that is visceral.
i find that if you scratch a racist you will find an astounding lack of intellectual rigor. basically they are as thick as pigshit, (a trait you kimble, have excelled in)
i have a masters degree in politics, and have worked in broadcasting (radio) in usa, aust, and here.
i am currently developing a news/info/opinion/debate website; which is a component in a larger plan involving radio/tv broadcasting.
(if you want to have a go at me at home try http://www.whoar.co.nz; a basic model is up; the bells and whistle version in about a week).
so how about you kimble?; you’re a former high flying(?) national party official aren’t you?
i’m glad you’ve thrown down this gauntlet and am looking forward to you telling us who you are, so we can put a face to the bile that seeps through your lips.
by the way i loved the “needle dick” epiphet; heartiest chuckle i’ve had on this site, (and there have been a few) mainly because of the reaction i knew it would have amongst you right wing/racist needle-dicks; (you know who you are)
cheers
July 31st, 2009 at 9:28 am
ok..we have 20 k from stuffed..
..any advances on that..?
..(i’ll stop smoking pot for 20 k..eh..?..
..10k to the animal rights people..?
..very nice..)
c’mon you filthy rich rightwingers..!
..think of all those comments that have really pissed you off..
..and dig deep..
..eh..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:28 am
Anyone remember the bawdy song “Oh Sir Roger do not **** me?
That’s what Kiwis are singing today as they read the stats for MP’s travel expenses.
They’ll still be singing the same tune come 2011.
Time for the old duffer to give it away and subside into senility..
July 31st, 2009 at 9:29 am
petal
Good point. I would rather be dead than live like that.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:30 am
“i have a masters degree in politics, and have worked in broadcasting (radio) in usa, aust, and here.”
…….but still cant tell the truth
July 31st, 2009 at 9:30 am
NOt1tocommentoften (220) Vote: 0 0 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 am
Paul – The horse has bolted from the gate and will be too hard to catch, we’ll just have to let it go. This is the approach you’re advocating. That would be fine except for the fact that the consequences of letting us all drink alcohol the way we do in New Zealand (and by we I mean 10 to 12 years olds as well) are too stark to ignore.
Palmer was given the job by the past Government. Why blame him for doing what he was asked to do? Blame Lianne Dalziel if you don’t like it.
Well, Palmer was the Minister of Justice in 1989 that passed the reforms in the first place. And for the record, I know that the boose problem is out of control in NZ, but then again, so it was when I was a teenager way back in the 1960’s/70’s. Go figure.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:35 am
Razork – wow – Apart from the shift key not functioning too well it was largely a coherent post from philu. That is a good example of what drugs can do.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:35 am
@ Razork – proof that within four years there is an appreciable level of deterioration in cognitive skills as a result of continuous cannabis use. I notice the annoying cnut couldn’t spell back then either, though.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:36 am
So what are you saying Paul – we had a problem then, we still have one now, and that we therefore shouldn’t do anything about it? Notwithstanding the fact there is no hoards more evidence of alcohol based harm now than there ever was in the 70s, and that the problems are reaching levels where we are all paying for others’ problems… I just don’t get your point. Are you saying it’s too broken so we shouldn’t bother?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:38 am
can we get a bid from you..?..bearhunter..?
it’s 20 k at the moment..
..think of the fun..!.the memories you’ll have..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:38 am
patrick, he won’t tell us which uni the masters is from…. you know so the veracity of his claims can be checked.
and years ago he also claimed to be on the DPB just while his son settled into high school. by my reckoning his son must be nearing 18 now and philu will need to jump to the unemployment or ’sickness’ benefit until he’s eligible for national super in 7 years time.
if ever there was a poster ‘child’ for everything that’s wrong with the welfare state it’s philu.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:44 am
Poverty is squalor – It means poor food, no options.
Take mowing the lawn, for example, since you bought that up- that takes energy and if your diet is poor you have less energy, hardly rocket science. Thats just for starters. Your lawn mower, if you have one, will be in poor condition – and if it is a petrol one – well petrol costs money and if a choice has to be made between eating and lawn mower petrol what wins?
I find it kind of offensive that people who have options look down their noses at those who don’t.
Like that prat Sir Geoffrey Palmer wanting to knock cheap wine on the head thereby denying the poor simple pleasures, its in their own best interests of course, while he can continue to enjoy his fine wines whenever he wants.
Of course if the poor were granted dignity and respect that the more well heeled enjoy perhaps they would rise above their squalor but it will never happen – people need other people to look down upon and of course Socialism has a vested interest in maintaining a poor underclass because without it nobody would buy into its philosophy at all.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:46 am
Sir Roger- what a trougher alright. Hypocrite.
Is he related to phil by any chance
July 31st, 2009 at 9:49 am
auckland..stuffed..auckland..
..check the graduate list..on their website..
..and of course..
..once you have..
..you’ll return here..and apologise for yr false smear..?
..won’t you..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:53 am
NOt1tocommentoften (221) Vote: 0 0 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:36 am
So what are you saying Paul – we had a problem then, we still have one now, and that we therefore shouldn’t do anything about it? Notwithstanding the fact there is no hoards more evidence of alcohol based harm now than there ever was in the 70s, and that the problems are reaching levels where we are all paying for others’ problems… I just don’t get your point. Are you saying it’s too broken so we shouldn’t bother?
I’m saying that the drinking culture/problem is systemic in NZ society, and that the liberalisation of the alcohol laws only aggravated the problem. When Palmer et al relaxed the laws, they literally opened the flood gates to further abuse. Now they’re trying to stem the flow with a cork. To repeat, there’s a whole new generation and business’s established and built up and around the liquor licencing laws, so it’s a bit rich now for Palmer and co to try to turn back the clock.
The elephant in the room is that nowadays, that there is a complete disrespect by hoons for authority and the law. I was a hoon too (and a bad one), but though I ran the gauntlet of the law, at least I had respect for authority.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:54 am
Cerium wrote:
Some time back a chap I work with shared accommodation with some unemployed boarders. Each morning he would put out his wet washing on the line; if it looked like rain at lunchtime he would wander back home and bring it in, etc., etc. The unemployed people simply used the dryer.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:56 am
Just back from a month in Sri Lanka, and wow, have my memories been revived.
Poverty in New Zealand – that’s a joke! I was in a country that has NO welfare safety blanket (I don’t count the 300,000 current IDPs as they are an unusual case), and expects family to look after their own.
Poor driving in New Zealand – that’s a joke. Try maneuvering around 6 abreast tuk-tuks on a 2 lane road, all trying to get their vehicle up to 25 kph (no, I didn’t drive over there, I contributed to the economy by hiring a driver with nerves of steel.
Things cost a lot in New Zealand – what a CROCK! A 2 year old Suzuki Swift costs NZ$50,000 over there, but a tuk-tuk is only $300 if you make it mainly from bits you find on the side of the road.
Education is great in NZ. Ha! 13 years of education is mandatory and free in Sri Lanka – and most kids get 4 Cambridge Board Advanced General Certificate of Education (GCE-A Level) passes; if they are ALL at grade A the student is entitled to go to University for free as well. (Parents will give up any and everything to help their children get to university.)
Most SL people are HAPPY and it shows on their faces!
Oh, and there is some concern that, despite the war with the Tigers being over, GDP will only grow at circa 5% this year!!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:57 am
“..Time for the old duffer to give it away and subside into senility..”
yes..it is quite embarrasing..seeing him see out his dotage in public..like this..
..yesterday the speaker asked him to re-frame a question..
..and he couldn’t..
..and just had to sit down..
..(someone have a word in his ear..eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:58 am
Brian – you’re observing concurrent effects from a single cause – can’t-be-arsedness?
Can’t be bothered training / working
Can’t be bothered maintaining the property
/disclaimer – no, not a stereotype of everyone who’s (a) unemployed or (b) lives in squalor
July 31st, 2009 at 9:58 am
“can we get a bid from you..?..bearhunter..?
it’s 20 k at the moment..
..think of the fun..!.the memories you’ll have..!”
I wouldn’t giove you a fucking virus pal. And as for memories, I’m doing all right there, unlike a certain brain-damaged dopehead.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:02 am
“Of course if the poor were granted dignity and respect ”
You don’t get granted respect, you earn it; and you don’t get granted dignity, you display it! I have recently watched people with nothing beg – with dignity, and respected them for it.
Andrei, you need to get your head around the reality of the human state. You get your birthright, after that you fend for yourself, with others if they are so inclined and the benefit is mutual. Being “Granted” things makes you more dependent, not less!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:03 am
so..that’s a ‘no’ from bearhunter..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 10:04 am
I think it was more of a “no ferking way”
July 31st, 2009 at 10:15 am
Yup, done that. Seems they don’t know about you phil. Perhaps you could assist further.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:26 am
andrei – it costs nothing and hardly any energy to pick up rubbish in your yard – the council come around and take it away if it is in bags at the footpath once a week (fuck – in parts of our town you can put rubbish out in shopping bags and it gets removed – you don’t even need those expensive council rubbish bags). It does not have to sit festering in bags around the section getting ripped apart by cats and dogs. I have seen people living in slums in India and Africa sweeping their dirt to keep a semblance of cleanliness. What energy does it cost to open the curtains and windows and let fresh air inside? Don’t give me that poor food = squalor. Maybe if you are so starved that malnutrition has reduced you to immobility – and I don’t see any starving people here.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am
Brian Smaller @ 8:05:
Why do many poor people seem to like living in squalor.
Because they’ve been raised in a home like that and consider it to be normal. Universal welfare rewards laziness, and what you are seeing is the visible result of laziness, which is taught to children by parents (it’s a world view). That’s called intergenerational welfare dependence, and we’ve now got 3 or 4 generations who have never seen their parents work.
What’s really scary is that those people are the mob that is ruling NZ:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/the-problem-with-democracy-part-one/
All those Greenies should perhaps be teaching these people how to wash and clean instead of what they should be eating
Please don’t encourage the vermin
*****************
Snap quiz:
1) how much of the GDP does the government take?
2) the % of GDP taken by the government is your true tax rate. If you work for 45 years, how many of those years are spent doing nothing but paying taxes?
The numbers are frightening:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/site-plug-living-off-the-smell-of-an-oily-rag-or-how-to-avoid-wasting-your-life/
July 31st, 2009 at 10:29 am
@CraigM
Thanks- pretending you something that might sting a predator has its advantages
Especially when you don’t have to invest in all that expensive stinging-gear,
Alas with Varroa having decimated a lot of the honey-bee populations, fly species have become a lot more important for pollination work around gardens.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am
Phil I went to NZ when I was 22 about 27 years ago. Yep made a lot of money and was able to provide for a Partner (you would not know what that was – some-one who shares your life, you know – if you had one) and a son. A life full of travel, the best education and lots of happiness. I was able to provide a life of comfort and stability.
My son did not have to grow up knowing that his dad was not good enough to provide for him, but had to beg from others.
Nor did my son have to fear that he would live a life of squalor because he was never taught how to be a man and how to look after himself and ” those he loves” (I put that between quotation marks, because you might have a problem understanding this. You see we always want the best for those we really love.)
And he never had to see his dad or any other family have to escape the pathetic reality of their life by finding solace in drugs.
That forlorn stare into nothingness hoping for a better outcome than the last trip, knowing that the only thing at the end of the high is the sad scramble for the next because there is nothing in between.
And neither did he have to worry about bringing mates home and finally a girl friend because dad is stoned and embarrassing, or was he limited to only bringing home drongos and losers, because at least then he would not be embarrassed.
I laugh at you talking about people putting up money for charity.. you have been stealing our money for years.
You are a beggar that does not have the decency to go out on the street to beg. But what is worse is that you are taking money that could go to people who really need it.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:36 am
could someone plse cue the violins..?
(and do you just lie about your previous drug use..?
..or was that a lie..too..?..)
..and.what eating habits/patterns is he seeing/are you encouraging..?
..or is that all ‘normal’..in yr eyes..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 10:45 am
Before he was born dickhead. With family comes responsibilities… you know and love and PROVIDING.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:50 am
How muich of our money did u take today phil?
Why are you on the benefit when you have a masters anyway? Why can’t you work?
….because you’ve really got a degree?
…eh? Whoar!
July 31st, 2009 at 11:00 am
nickb – phil repeatedly claims to have “a masters degree in politics”. No evidence of him in the Akl Uni graduate database though (Ref my 10:15 post). I guess he could photoshop a degree certificate and post it up for us. Or provide online proof. Or quit lying. Or something.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:05 am
Shit you have to love the left they are turning on each other like feral pigs. Poor old Philin got another knife in the back from his commie mate trotts this morning. Seems Philin has strayed from the socialist democracy path, as if socialism was ever democratic, give me a fucking break, and needs to come back to the dark side after he called the Liarbore constitution “19th century. One karma point for Philin for that one. Why does Trotter persist, he and his screwed up philosophy have never worked, never will. He wants to get off his fat arse and find his socialist roots, in other words get a real job with real workers instead of hanging out with academic tosspots all day.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:06 am
Haha. getstaffed perhaps he “forgot he didn’t have one” or it “slipped into a black hole”
July 31st, 2009 at 11:09 am
“Don’t mow lawns, have rubbish piled up inside and out, have filthy houses and let their kids draw all over the walls, never open windows and let mould grow over everything. ”
Wonder how many rich people don’t mow lawns, clean etc? You just don’t notice because they have the money to pay somebody else to do it (or rip up the lawn and put down bark chip/gravel and some tasteless shrubbery. Brrrr… can’t stand shrubberies – I walked through a new richish suburb of ‘tasteful’ grey and beige houses the other day and the only evident colour was the road signs).
July 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am
Getstaffed – I saw a ref on there to a Phillip Ure having a Masters Degree. Was aI wrong?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:17 am
Depends on your definition of rich Sam. A street in Naenae of ex-state houses all with well manicured lawns, tidy sections. The street next door with all current state houses is a dump. Rubbish everywhere, yards torn to shreds by the cars being paked/driven all over them. I guess it is true – you give people things they have not earned they generally do not value them.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:20 am
“..PROVIDING…”
yes bok..over-’providing’ would appear to be one of yr main/’big’ issues..?
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 11:24 am
@NOt1tocommentoften
I did the same search as getstaffed and got “Sorry, there are no graduates matching your search criteria in the database.” – what year did it say he got his masters?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:24 am
Another fucken Phillip Ure wankfest. When will you guys learn?? Mr. Farrar is not going to ban him or he would have long ago. You keep responding to his shit, and keep writing about him, he’ll keep coming here. He loves it. He feeds off it. Can’t you see that’s why he comes here?? FFS.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am
NOt1tocommentoften – Hey correct. I misspelt his name on the search. So it’s confirmed that phil received a BA in 1996, and then an MA with Second Class Honours Second Division in Political Studies in 2009. I should add that he’s claimed to have the MA qual in 2005 so he’s still a liar.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am
no red..i come here to engage in political debate/argument .. with people who hold opposing political views..
..i find nothing more boring than sitting around in a circle..nodding in agreement..
..(now..’sitting around in a circle’..and ‘nodding’.. for other reasons..that’s another story..eh..?)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am
Red, I don’t like be lied to. Neither do you. So if others are pursuing a porky or two that’s not of interest to you then just ignore the posts.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am
So you were both lying then getstaffed? Except Phil’s was less of a fundamental error than yours.
And I’m not a Phil supporter. Just being fair…
July 31st, 2009 at 11:31 am
Regarding Phil’s degree – he’s merely following the example set by Mary Anne Thompson who, so a court was told this week, had a Doctorate “in her head”, even though it wasn’t on paper. Phil obviously believes he has a degree, and that should be proof enough for us mere minions
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/07/in-head.html
July 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am
no ..im not ‘lying’..staffed..
..my final year of study was back then..in 90’s..actually..
..(so that’s a double-wrong for you there..stuffed..)
..i only ‘applied to graduate’..this year..
(didn’t know you had to..eh..?..
..silly me..i thought that just doing it..did it..)
..where’s me apologies/retractions..?
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am
wow its the philu thread!
hug it out bitches
July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am
NOt1tocommentoften – i provided evidence of my probity search – complete with a spelling mistake – an error to which i admitted. how is that lying? phil claimed in 2005 “to have a masters degree in politics”. he most demonstrably did not. that is lying.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am
Blast from the past…
I just found a video of Sue Bradford telling a bare-faced lie:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/sue-bradford-is-a-liar/
PS: folks, please mention and/or debate the things that matter (even just plain interesting is fine) instead of feeding the trolls. If you found a particularly objectionable dog turd on the way to work you wouldn’t criticise it here, or even mention it, and IMHO the same goes for trolls.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am
Getstaffed – I was only stating that to offer some objectivity (and to be picky admiittedly) You stated “No evidence of him in the Akl Uni graduate database though (Ref my 10:15 post).” There is – I’ve seen it and you have now too. That isn’t true. I.e. a lie.
Anyway, happy blogging.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am
oh stuffed..that’s getting a bit desperate..!..darling..!
..yes i did..and it was in the 90’s..
..(and hey..!..i did it..from ist yr ba..to final masters year..
..in the fastest time possible..five years..
now..stuffed..
it’s only fair now that we haul out yr academic record..eh..?
..have you passed ncea yet..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am
is that what they call a ’slam-dunk’..?
woo-yeah..!
some say it is cruel to kick a stuffed when it is down..
..but hey..!..what the hell..!
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am
wtf is a BA and masters in politics involve anyway phil? Want a medal?
You still haven’t answered why you feel entitled to bludge off us every week instead of earning a living
July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am
I don’t see any starving people here
Thats because you have closed your mind to it.
This country is full with people who are malnourished spirititually, socially, emotionally as well as nutruitionally.
Sure you don’t see the canonical images of starvation – would you want to?
My daughter has had two school trips to Japan – you reckon thats ever a possibility for the kids from the homes you are decrying.
And how might those kids feel about that do you suppose?- or being knocked by their peers for wearing the wrong clothes? – and don’t say it doesn’t happen because it does all the damn time.
The impoverishment starts right there and getting out of it is possible but darned hard because you didn’t go to the right school and you don’t know the right people and people such as yourself will never give you a break but knock you every chance they get.
And I suppose after a lifetime of this some people just give up.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am
phil, i have proven you to be a liar in respect of your MA qualification claim. job done for now. get over it and move on.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Well said, Andrei.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Great video kiwipolemicist.
More must be done to expose the constant stream of lies the left use to advance their agenda.
Good tho if there was a reference for the data used to confront her claims..
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
This country is full with people who are malnourished spirititually, socially, emotionally as well as nutruitionally.”
HAHAHA thats some funny shit.
“The impoverishment starts right there and getting out of it is possible but darned hard because you didn’t go to the right school and you don’t know the right people and people such as yourself will never give you a break but knock you every chance they get.”
heres an idea. finish high school and go to uni. or does auckland uni not accept people from otara? ffs
July 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
wow..!..stuffed..
you are seriously self-delusional/in denial…eh..?
whoar..!
..you said i was lying about having a masters degree..
..a lie you have repeated many many times..
..you are proven to be lying..
..that in fact..i do have what i claimed..
btw..yr academic qualifications..?
you haven’t passed ncea yet..have you..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
philu – did you do a thesis? what was it on? can you reply so i can understand you?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Andrei – what utter new age crap, no offence intended.
Manourished spiritually? Join a religion, or an anti-religion if you are MNIJ (or me for that matter).
Malnourished socially? Join a club, go and join a walking group (walking is free), get a library card.
Malnourished emotionally? Grow up and realise that the world does not owe you anything – you have to take part in life to live.
Malnourished nutritionally? The last time the TV showed images of starving people in New Zealand it the Muliaga’s who gave evidence at that inquest that they were so poor that they could only eat thin vegetable soup and rice. It may come as a surprise to you that, I for one, did not believe them.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pm
What do the Herald base this headline on?
Theft fears as smacking ballot hits letterboxes
The ballot, asking whether smacking should be a criminal offence, raised fears yesterday that enthusiasts on both sides may try to corrupt the vote by stealing voting papers from letterboxes over the next few days.
How did the ballot do that?
Has anyone threatened to pinch ballots? Has it been a problem in the past?
It can’t be just an attention grabber can it? They wouldn’t want to give anyone any ideas.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10587760
July 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
So, Philip Ure said on February 14th, 2005:
“i am currently developing a news/info/opinion/debate website; which is a component in a larger plan involving radio/tv broadcasting.
(if you want to have a go at me at home try http://www.whoar.co.nz; a basic model is up; the bells and whistle version in about a week).”
Well if I go and take a look now I see zero-point-fuck-all debate etc., so, to my mind that is a comprehensive FAIL! Nevermind all the other things he has failed on such as “radio/tv broadcasting”. That is more than 4 years to get something off the ground, completely funded by me the taxpayer!
So you useless parsitic cunt, I think it is hightime you gave up on the website, flush the bong down the toilet, and step out into the real world and get a real job.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
dime..i just read yr 12.05..
like starbored..you are one of those who i choose not to respond to..
so..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Violence in New Zealand? The last time there was war on New Zealand soil was 1872!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Cerium – I’d be surprised if there was much basis for this story. There is a disincentive for both sides to steal ballots really. Unless you want to stereotype and say Khandallah mums will votes no and therefore pose a threat… haha.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Redbaiter:
I’m glad that you liked the video. Bradford and Klark: birds of of a lying feather flock together.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
ok..!..it was on..’the fetid/arrogance/self-entitlement of the rightwing/rightwing political thought:..why is this..?”
it was an attempt to put a human face on institutional vilness in political thought/actions..
..my conclusions..?
..i failed to find that face..
..and that vileness was learnt at the knee..
..(i blame the parents..it’s like good dog owners have good dogs..
..it’s the same with young rightwingers..
..they learn’t from dads sneering at the 6pm news..
..eh..?
..and the vile attitudes that spill from their lips..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
harsh phil. it was a genuine question.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Cerium – I would have though the already low risk of theft would be lower when the polling was closer, and greater (ie perpetrated by the underdog) when the polling was further apart.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
“I don’t see any starving people here
Thats because you have closed your mind to it”
and you ears – if you listen closely you can actually hear Parekura Horomias stomach growling in the debating chamber
July 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Brian be honest with yourself
When you were at school and needed a calculator who got it for you? Was it a trivial purchase or one that the family had to stretch to make? Or did you just have to do without?
When you got your first job – how did you find out about it – family friend perhaps? A colleague of your fathers, maybe?
And who did you get to provide your references? How did you know them?
And how did you dress? And how did you know how to dress? And who provided the appropriate clothes?
etc
July 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Andrei,
Yep. Throw in how to talk, how to manage money, how to drink responsibly, how to deal with anger, how to deal with setbacks, how to set goals, how to manage time, etc.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Re the ’squalor that (supposedly) accompanies the unemployed etc. .
Ignoring the fact that a bar of soap costs only a few cents, water tends to be free and that a lawn can be mown using a parang (albeit rather slowly), am I the only one who has noticed that the squalor seems to be most evident in those areas where the local population is largely Maori or Pacific island – and that it is actually very rarely ‘White’ in its locality?
IF that IS the case (and this is based purely on observations made while travelling throughout New Zealand), why, given that reputedly we all have access to the same system of education, and are all taught the basics about health etc, does this occur?
Is it because of welfare dependency, a basic underlying-laziness, a lack of education, an anti-landlord attitude, Or . . .?
Of course, having suggested the unpardonable (that squalor may be ethnically-based rather than economic) , I will of course sit back and watch as the outraged ‘lefties’ make their usual response, and proceed to accuse me of being a !%# racist.
I would however suggest that accusations about my racial views will not actually address the question, and request that, in the interests of ‘reasoned-debate’ (yes, it does happen sometimes) that responders look at the question, NOT the questioner, and perhaps actually try to provide an answer.
If I am wrong in my suggestion, tell me why, (politely please) and if I am right, at least concede that this is so . .
Let the debate begin . . .
July 31st, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Komata,
You may be right in your observation of correlation, but you’re making a leap if you’re claiming causation.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Komata:
There’s a strong correlation between race, welfare dependency, and living in voluntary squalor. I believe that the common link between these things is world view.
A lot of these people live in state houses and many of them have little respect for property rights. That respect is reduced further where state property is involved and their Entitilitis makes them think that they are entitled to do what they like with that property (aided by the fact that the property owner isn’t going to punch their lights out, as a neighbour might when stolen from).
Mowing the lawn with a parang is feasible if you’re on welfare and you’ve got all day to do it.
I have observed similar things:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/the-problem-with-democracy-part-one/
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/poisonous-are-the-fruits-of-welfarism/
July 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Why did Xue get such a short sentence? 12 years for a brutal killing , and abandoning his child, and running away from it all.
Maybe they should just send him to club med instead.
Lets just say, in 12 years, Xue might be out.
But, his wife will still be dead and buried.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I had a slide rule – still have it and still use it. I got my first calculator at Uni and fortunately I found it on the road going out to Massey (Palmy).
I rode my bike around all the local shops/businesses and asked if I could get job. When I was 12 I was doing paper round, and after school working cleaning smoko room in a local business. At College I worked in Chicken farms, washing dishes in restaurants and labouring. At Uni I worked packing bread at night.
No one did. I got my jobs off my own bat. My father painted houses so was not exactly an influential person in the community.
When not in school uniform I wore tee shirts and jeans as a teenager. As a younger kid I wore dorky shorts and David Bain jerseys. My mother brought my clothes or made them.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
nickb (86) Vote: 1 1 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:46 am
Sir Roger- what a trougher alright. Hypocrite.
Is he related to phil by any chance
Nick – Sir Roger and others have the right to free travel by virtue of previously being an MP/Minister – current status is irrelevant – Sir Geoffrey Palmer has and uses the same right so it is unfair to criticise them for using what that are entitled to unless you support not drawing sickness benefit when entitled. By all mean criticise the policy which no longer exists anyway.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Kiwipolemiscist
10/10 for the Bradford expose, do you have any info on how many of her 70+ criminal convictions I understand she has have a violence aspect.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 pm
wreck1080 (576) Vote: 0 0 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Why did Xue get such a short sentence? 12 years for a brutal killing , and abandoning his child, and running away from it all.
Maybe they should just send him to club med instead.
Lets just say, in 12 years, Xue might be out.
But, his wife will still be dead and buried.
As i read it, it is a minimum 12 years, so could be longer.
But, for the sake of humouring you, what if he was sentenced to 24 years? Even after 24 years, his wife will still be dead and buried.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Brian Smaller (1395) Vote: 0 0 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:39 pm
When you were at school and needed a calculator who got it for you? Was it a trivial purchase or one that the family had to stretch to make? Or did you just have to do without?
My mother brought my clothes or made them
What a shame deucation seemed to pass you by.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Actually I have a degree in history, which served me well seeing as I spent my working life in IT. What is your excuse Jack?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:09 pm
“Even after 24 years, his wife will still be dead and buried.”
You are correct. A good arguement for a life sentence meaning life. 12 years minimum for premeditated murder by manual strangulation seems ridiculously light.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I saw Key at school on Wednesday. I still thing there is something cool about the access New Zealanders have to their politicians compared with other countries.
I remember when I lived in Wellington and was entertaining some Aussies for lunch and we were actually talking about that fact when the (then) Deputy PM wandered over, said “hi” and sat down for lunch.
We take that sort of thing for granted in this country.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:23 pm
As compared to this?
Today’s WaPo: It was an unsettling image: Arrayed in front of the neighborhood barbershop last week were four burly men with the characteristic earpieces and bulky suits that marked them as security officers. Inside, gracing the barber’s chair, was the well-trimmed director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Robert Mueller.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072902627.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
July 31st, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Great speech by Brash yesterday on closing the gap with Australia.
Hearld carries an average article about it,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10587633
however also have the original text available as pdf for those of despise sound/textbites
http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/document/pdf/brashspeech.pdf
July 31st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
@cerium In fairness US officials are way more at risk, both from their own and other’s people.
But I lived and worked in DC for 2 1/2 years and the closest I got was seeing the motorcade race past.
I did once share a lift with Jay-Z in New York but as I had no idea at the time who he was the effect was somewhat missed.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
“Why did Xue get such a short sentence?”
its because these wankers =
“Ten years is not, in anyone’s estimation, a short sentence,” Mr Comeskey said.” -go on to become the judges
July 31st, 2009 at 2:31 pm
A slide rule huh. Actually that’s really cool, I wish I had one. But it dates you. As you know a slide rule is a precision instrument and in pre-calculator days probably somewhat expensive, in equivalent terms far more than a scientific calculator would be today would be my guess.
So who paid for it? And how many of your peers had one?
A labourer? A tradesman? Or did he have his own business? For your father being of the WW2 generation, I’d guess and a trade qualification for that generation would carry more or less the equivalent status as a Bachelors degree would today – no?
How disadvantaged do you think you really were compared to your contemporaries?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:36 pm
@andrei Is this a competition? Can you only win if you have the most “disadvantaged” background?
My father was a council worker and lived in a council flat (well house if you must) but I had the most amazing and (as I look back on it ) privileged childhood.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:39 pm
andrei – everyone had a slide rule. We used them in sword fights. They were cheap even then. I wasn’t disadvantaged compared to my contemporaries. I wasn’t advantaged either.
How is any of that relevent to the fact that some people wont put their rubbish in bags and out on the street once a week? I repeat – they seem to like living in squalor.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
freethinker:
Thanks. I’ve added another video to the Bradford expose.
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/sue-bradford-is-a-liar/
As regards her criminal record, I’ve only been able to find a broad picture. Why is a person who has sworn to uphold the laws of NZ proud of her criminal convictions?
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/sue-bradford-is-proud-of-her-criminal-convictions/
July 31st, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Andrei – I brought a scientific calculator for my son during the holidays from Warehouse Stationary. It cost $15. Reduced to $10 because I had a voucher from the junk mail. That was about the cost of a packet of cigarettes, or a couple of coffees or drinks at the Olympic Hotel, or a dvd rental, or a snack pack thingy frolm KFC. The reason that some poor kids don’t have a calculator is that their parents didn’t buy it. Don’t tell me that $10 is a lot to some people – then save for it at $1 a week for ten weeks, or 50c/week for 20 weeks – whatever it takes to get the thing that your kid needs at school.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:11 pm
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090619/entertainment/us_dying_wish
July 31st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
andrei – You were lucky. We lived for three months in a brown paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six o’clock in the morning, clean the bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down the mill for fourteen hours a day week in-week out. When we got home, our Dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt
July 31st, 2009 at 3:18 pm
@Bok
Thanks- I’m giving serious consideration to a photographic trip across the Tasman once lectures end. It’s been a good while and I appreciate the fact that the Australian avifauna are not at all shy about being photographed…
Really though, want to get some proper crocodile shots of the beasts in their natural habitat (N Queensland probably).
July 31st, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Chtoniid, Bok.
Reminds me of lunch at the Undara lava caves cafe with the local kookaburra perched handily ready to dive on a nearby post while the staff circled underneath it warily trying to protect the customers’ plates. Pretty birds and not stupid either.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Well done Kiwipolemicist, this woman deserves a post at the UN.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:05 pm
@ patrick: Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at six o’clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of ‘ot gravel, work twenty hour day at mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were lucky!
July 31st, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Kiwigreg. All of the above except that we got up at half past five, three hours before we went to bed. etc etc.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:10 pm
side show bob:
Thanks. She’s got a MA in Chinese, so I was thinking of shipping her over there. She’d fit right in at the Great Hall of the People, and it’s just across the road from Tiananmen Square so she could have fun giving the order to fire when the next protest rolls around. I can just see her with a Chinese-made AK47, emptying magazine after magazine into the crowd of uppity proles…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hall_of_the_People
July 31st, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Different topic
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2706942/Couple-found-dead-accidentally-gassed-themselves
Unfortunately they don’t qualify for Darwin Awards so don’t waste your time nominating them. Seriously – how dumb can you be? A gas fire in a bedroom?
July 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pm
@ brian still tough on the 3 kids under 13 left behind, even if their parents were a bit dim
July 31st, 2009 at 4:17 pm
But you try and tell the young people today that… and they won’t believe ya’
July 31st, 2009 at 4:21 pm
KiwiGreg – Tough on the kids for sure.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Dumb? Maybe. Or it could have been a lapse of judgement. We all do things at times that we later wonder what the heck we were thinking (or not thinking). If we get away with it.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:09 pm
still reaching for/relying on the ‘classics’ there..eh starr..?
..(are you up to ‘m’ for monty python..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 5:12 pm
I attended the Local Govt AGM in Christchurch early this week- an outstanding conference where the government was very well received.
Rodney Hide was received quite well, despite some of his utterances.
However Rodney was saved from criticism when the Mayor of North Shore, Andrew Williams, asked a nasty and very personal question. Rodney answered it well and you could feel the support for Hide from the audience increase while there were rumblings of anger towareds Williams.
People later described Williams as a plonker. Some of the other stupid left wingers from Auckland also looked stupid, when they threatened to disrupt Hide’s speech.
What Hide and National are saying about local government is now very close to what LGNZ is saying.
Hide has been floating ideas about rate capping,amalgamation and transparency. Hide is not in the real cabinet process. National will not buy a fight with the local government sector, however there will be an emphasis on government reducing demands on local government with additional requirements and no finance. John Carter was a refreshibng voice, talking calmly and for the first time for years you felt the government was truly going to work with local government.
Contrary to what the bloggers might say, local government costs NZers about the cost of a coffee a day and delivers services like sewerage,water,libraries,swimming pools,roads etc. Not a bad deal. Some of our biggest critics can criticise but offer nothing.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:50 pm
@neil
“Some of the other stupid left wingers from Auckland also looked stupid, when they threatened to disrupt Hide’s speech.”
which ones?
July 31st, 2009 at 5:51 pm
“still reaching for/relying on the ‘classics’ there..eh starr..?”
phool; I like old jokes – maybe that’s why I tolerate you?
And speaking of living in the past – I hate to break it to you but the Hippie movement is so outdated. Everyone else moved on except you it seems
July 31st, 2009 at 6:09 pm
DPF, how come your “Have you ever smoked cannabis?” poll doesn’t have a “Don’t remember” option?
July 31st, 2009 at 6:16 pm
“poll doesn’t have a “Don’t remember” option?”
Toad – many of the 176 votes are philu every time he logs in (doesn’t remember if he’s already voted )
July 31st, 2009 at 6:18 pm
i can’t remember if i ticked the poll..or not..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 6:20 pm
can you multi-vote..?
what fucken use is that then..?
it renders any result a total fantasy..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 6:28 pm
“..I hate to break it to you but the Hippie movement is so outdated..”
i hate to break it to you..
..but its’ moment is nigh..
(and weren’t/aren’t they ‘right’ about so many things..?..eh..?..
.esp the later/new generation vegan/low-footprint model..eh..?)
i have the utmost respect for them..as models of how to live without trashing/thrashing the planet..
..but the reactionary-rightwing dosen’t give a flying fuck about ‘ trashing/thrashing the planet’..
eh..?
..as long as there is a buck to be made..
..eh..?
(step right on up..!..bloody-hands-bob..!..eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 6:31 pm
“More must be done to expose the constant stream of lies the left use to advance their agenda.”
Keep up the good work Russell, the good people of Tauranga must be protected from their own ignorance and you Mr Fletcher are just the man to do it.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Sorry Philu have not dispatched anything today but sent 5 calves to their maker via the bobby calf truck yesterday. Spring is such a lovely time of year, so much mayhem, so much new life. Just been out to check the cows and 10 new calves, oh joy, plenty of work tomorrow and I suppose it will bloody rain, such is life.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Phool,
How money did you get today? how much of our money did you spend? did you save some?
You really are a joke
July 31st, 2009 at 8:45 pm
i hate to break it to you..
..but its’ moment is nigh..
Oh God, not again.
brb, joining the cops to crack some naive dopesmoking dreadlocked Green-voting skulls.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:54 pm
anyway..as an attempt to instigate some discourse..
this is kinda interesting..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/the-rise-of-gonzo-porn-is-the-latest-sign-of-americas-cultural-apocalypse/
“..The cultural embrace of illusion, and the celebrity culture that has risen up around it..
.. have accompanied the awful hollowing out of the state.
We have shifted from a culture of production to a culture of consumption.
We have been sold a system of casino capitalism, with its complicated and unregulated deals of turning debt into magical assets..
.. to create fictional wealth for us .. and vast wealth for our elite.
We have internalized the awful ethic of corporatism — one built around the cult of the self and consumption as an inner compulsion —
– to believe that living is about our own advancement .. and our own happiness at the expense of others.
Corporations, behind the smoke screen, have ruthlessly dismantled and destroyed our manufacturing base .. and impoverished our working class.
The free market became our god and government was taken hostage by corporations..
.. the same corporations that entice us daily with illusions though the mass media, the entertainment industry and popular culture.
The more we sever ourselves from a literate, print-based world, a world of complexity and nuance, a world of ideas.
.. for one informed by comforting, reassuring images, fantasies, slogans .. and a celebration of violence ..
..the more we implode..”
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:05 pm
I hate WFF.
It has turned the nations middle class into a bunch of Phil U’s, more more more…..
Our nations middle class are now mostly state beneficiaries.
Let these people keep their money in the first place FFS, make private schooling/medical care tax deductible…
And kick serial bludgers off the beneift
July 31st, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Just watched the greatest swordfight in the history of the cinema for the first time in around a year. Mind you, I’ve watched it over 200 times!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3gfFVmw0kA&feature=related
Absolutely brilliant!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Absolutely brilliant!
Yeah, absolutely awesome movie
July 31st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Oh yes, fewer people are producing (generating tax revenue), and more – like you phil – are mindlessly and selfishly consuming.
That’s rich, coming from the most selfish person posting here.
Ah, why bother. Your worthless diatribe is nothing more than tired, drug-induced, anti-establishment drivel. Again.
Kaya: Agree
July 31st, 2009 at 9:30 pm
We have internalized the awful ethic of corporatism — one built around the cult of the self and consumption as an inner compulsion —
– to believe that living is about our own advancement .. and our own happiness at the expense of others.
What does that sound like to me phil?
Does a person having 38% of their wages stolen to pay for your living make you seem to feel like you are a “cult of the self”?
Phil, you still havne’t answered why you think you are entitled to live off the backs of others, even when 2 parent families with more kids than you can still both work 40+ hours. Your excuse for this fascinates me, as does your continual ducking of an answer- come on, you’re not normally short for a word
July 31st, 2009 at 9:40 pm
i see you’ve taken a very simplistic.one-dimensional/rightwing reading of that..stuffed..
..can’t see the ideas..for the words..
..eh..?
it’s obvious that both you..and nic..
..are part of the problem..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
So got an answer yet phil?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:15 pm
nah nic..!
like most others..still looking/searching..
(tho’ i have worked out..that we shouldn’t eat other animals..
you can take that as a ‘given’..eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 31st, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Haha ok phil will do.
Is anyone is disgusted by Roger Douglas’s behaviour as I am?
I know you will be phil.
What a prat. Has been in parliament half of his working life and is straight back in the trough after 6months of Parliament.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10587854
Yep Libertarians.. it is a victimless crime….
July 31st, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Bok, true. Much of the libertarian doctrine only applies in a Robinson Crusoe type situation. (before companion Friday shows up at least]
August 1st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Bok and Angus:
I have written a response to your comments:
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/woman-kills-son-whilst-stoned-but-drugs-are-a-victimless-crime/
August 1st, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Bok and Angus….you are ignorant idiots…..and probably need someone toi wipe your bums and tuck you in at night as it seems you are not capable pof doing so yourselves going by your statements.