Bring Back Bush
Public Policy Polling blogs:
Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they’d rather have his predecessor.
That is a startling figure, considering how unpopular Bush was on both the left and the right.
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December 14th, 2009 at 10:19 am
A liberal socialist agenda hidden within a social front is busted!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I posted on this a few days ago over at my place.
It is significant to see how unpopular the ObamaMessiah is.
Adolf at No Minister highlights this further by posting a huge drop in support in the latest Rassmussen poll.
But is it hardly surpising when despite huge promotion from his media allies, Obambi appears not to have one major achievement in his entire term of office.
Furthermore, have the media done him in the end by raising expectations so high?
December 14th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Bush was unpopular with the right because of his spending.
Ol Hopey Changey isn’t really an improvment on that issue is he.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:35 am
shall we kick off the ‘we want helen back’-movement..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
December 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Classic comment:-
‘They elected a symbol when they needed a President’
December 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
But phil, Key is polling 50% higher then Helen…
IF they get within 5% you have a point.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Funny way of hiding the drop in support back here in NZ for you know who by talking about Obama
Reading the article, this doesnt make sense
“…new low with just 39% of voters now expressing approval of his health care plans. ”
Obama doesnt have one !! The House and Senate write the legislation. Fail marks for this.
Of course next year they will love it to death
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The US political system and society seem to be becoming increasingly polarised. An ever larger proportion of each party can be classified as hard-core right or hard-core left. It has now reached the point where it is almost impossible for a moderate to get either party’s presidential nomination. Note it was regarded as miraculous that such a “moderate” as McCain got the Republican nomination in ’08.
The public are now realising that Obama is even more left than Bush was right, and naturally they are reverting to the status quo even split in opinion. The biggest losers are the moderates who reject them both. That said, many on the extremes are unhappy too because being more idealistic, they find any real president less satisfactory than their imagined white (or black) knight.
The polarisation of the politicians and the nation makes it ever harder to actually get anything done. So presidents resort to buying congressional votes with pork and outrageous concessions to whatever special interest groups are favoured by susceptible senators and congresspeople.
I fear the result will be the US slowly and inexorably sliding towards sclerotic irrelevance in a China-dominated world.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
How the hell is covering one thing “hiding” something else”
What are you, stuck on stupid?
Labour can onlt dreem of having a drop in support to 55%.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Countess, can you really be that naive?
On the other hand I have been wondering how long it would take for John Key to take a modest dive over his unerring support for the stupidity which is his ETS and Copenhagen.
Of real interest is the prospect of seeing how he extricates himself and my party from this politically destructive shambles.
Here’s how the greatest theft in history works:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6798052/What-links-the-Copenhagen-conference-with-the-steelworks-closing-in-Redcar.html
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
adolf..re yr tilt at obama..several facts for you to consider..
it is ‘early-days’ in what will be eight years of obama..
(he has just reassured his re-election..by his ramping up of the war in afghanistan..thus taking away about the only (now visible) republican election-plank..ie ‘cowardice’/not defending americas’ interests’..etc..stc..)
he has ‘saved’ the banking system..
he is getting health care reform (of sorts) through..
and most importantly..he still has a shit-load of bailout money left..
and that will be used for job-creation and to to kick off the green-transformation of the american economy..
he has legislation to ‘deal to’ the unregulated finance industry..
(and it has been a year..)
and what have the republicans done..?.with this year..?
aside from trying to block any health reform..
(and thus proving how they are owned by big parma/special interests..)
they have just been writhing around palin..
meh..!
eh..?
your ‘judgment’ is a tad premature..
eh adolf..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
December 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I doubt Bush was as unpopular as the slime made out – he did, after all, win a second term.
I liked him. In the only non-political interview I ever saw of him he came across a a good bloke – unlike his predecessor who came across as a cheap insurance/snake oil salesman.
Having noted that I also note that a few years back a survey in East Germany found a very large percentage would have welcomed Communism back and not long after the Yanks and cobbers did the world a favour a fair percentage of Iraqis wanted Sadam back.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Come on..
Bush was an embarrassing glove puppet. At least promote someone new if you want a change.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
This recent Pew poll is even funnier:
“Conservatives and Republicans report fewer experiences than liberals or Democrats communicating with the dead, seeing ghosts and consulting fortunetellers or psychics.”
via http://www.powerlineblog.com/
December 14th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Nice one Phil. And the blessed Obama doesn’t make deals with big Pharma either?
he also does them in secret, despite making priomises not to!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html
Oh and even early in the presidential campaign last year, Obama was raking in the dollars from big Pharma !!
http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2008/05/obama_first_in_big_pharma_contributions.html
December 14th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
That poll result is not a surprise to those of us who can ignore MSM manufactured FUD, and understood the positive qualities of Bush. Pro-life, pro-business, anti-socialism. Took down a tyrant and protected the unborn. These things matter. Green policies are a fad. Climate change is a fraud. Bush was right to ignore it.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
radvad: do you include seeing/talking to god or jesus as seeing ghosts? Because that could make a big difference to those numbers.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
So I take it that praying, seeing visions of Jesus and consulting pastors or priests don’t count as any of the above?
December 14th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
oh..!..there is no way i am insinuating the democrats are not also ‘bought’ by big pharma..
(hence no ‘real’ public option..and i did say health reform ‘of sorts’..)
but i think it’s a matter of degree..
the democrats are bought..
but the republicans are ‘really really’ bought..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
December 14th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
“radvad: do you include seeing/talking to god or jesus as seeing ghosts? Because that could make a big difference to those numbers. ”
I don’t include anyone. Ask Pew. Duh.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Certain people are always going to blame the gummint when there aren’t any jobs around and things are generally a bit sh*t. So no wonder Obama has fallen from his (massive) election high to something approximating real life. His apparent failure to instantly save the world with democrat platform policies no doubt played a part also.
This forum was calling Obama the antichrist, a traitor to the west etc etc even before he was elected. [though I imagine the democrats could have nominated a dachshund and we would have seen exactly the same histrionics here.]
Now that Obama popularity among his own supporters is falling due to disenchantment at absence of a radical left magic fix to world’s ills, you are cheering that as some kind of victory for the right too. What a pointless thread.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Bush was “what’s on the label”.
Obama never was and never *could* be, but too many were fooled into thinking that a flash label might help. (Include the Nobel committee in that group).
The real tragedy that McCain is *exactly* what people wanted after Bush – a moderate who could compromise across the aisle. But he never got a look-in. Instead the focus went onto bashing Palin, while Obama was given a free ride.
Even National Radio’s correspondent the other day seemed to remember the decisiveness of Bush with fondness after watching Obama’s 3 months of dithering.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
What label, the “I’m a uniter, not a divider” label?
Was Bush’s 3 months deciding on the Iraq surge an example of his decisiveness?
Was Bush’s immediate response to 9-11 by resuming reading the Goat decisiveness?
Was Bush’s rapid and comprehensive victory in Iraq/Afghanistan a sign of his decisiveness?
December 14th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
“consulting pastors or priests”
You mean like Obama’s mentor, Jeremiah Wright?
“praying,”
Do you mean like Obama recently saying he spends all his waking hours praying. He did not specify who to.
Not to mention Obama’s recent comment to “spiritual” leaders that he was “partnering with God” in passing healthcare.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
radvad:
Yep. Exactly like that.
By the way, misquote from you there – Obama didn’t say he was partnering with God. He said “We are God’s partners in matters of life or death” – and it wasn’t even his line, it was from a Rosh Hashanah prayer. Pretty apt when you’re talking to a bunch of rabbis.
So while we’re on vile, dumb, religious associations, why don’t we run with John McCain’s association with John Hagee, who described Catholicism as “A Godless theology of hate”, or who said of Judaism:
“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day… Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come…. it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people.”
Or GWB saying that God told him to invade Iraq. That was a classic. GWB talks to God, because the bottle stopped talking back. Jesus Christ.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Bush’s daily war reports had biblical quotes on them.
Bush warned Americans that “this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile.”
He said he listened to God for guidance.
Bush once boasted, “I’m not a textbook player, I’m a gut player.”
He listened to his gut – does his digestive system talk a language he understood?
December 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
radvad: not shooting the messenger here, that was loose phrasing by me. My point was that America is full of nutjobs (similarly, based on what I see here on Kiwiblog, so is NZ), and that I suspect there are plenty on both sides of politics.
Pointing out that the left have a bunch of people supporting them who believe in ghosts is about as useful as pointing out that the right have a bunch of people supporting them who believe in god. And, of course, also ignores the fact that while there may be more people with ghosts on the left, and more people with god on the right, there are still a good number of each on both sides.
When I learned practical logic at University, one of the many important points was that the fact that if you have an idiot agreeing with you it doesn’t mean that you’re wrong. Judging an argument by some of the people supporting it isn’t useful. It is, however, sometimes useful to judge an argument based on your assessment of most of the people who support it (e.g. 9/11 conspiracy theorists look to almost entirely be nutjobs, probably not worth my time looking into that).
Anyway, all that tells me is that the Pew opinion poll has no value other than for pointing at people and laughing. Which I guess is about all most media is up for these days.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Other and modestly myself said at the time of the US elections that the US voters would look back at Dubyas Presidency and say it really wasnt as bad as they thought at the time.
Those same folks me included said Obama was on a hiding to nothing. There was a huge and unrealistic expectation on him to produce miracles and unless he did then he would be a one hit wonder.
Alas thats were its all heading. After one year the US voters havent seen the miracles they promised themselves he would deliver.
Iraq Afghanistan the Middle East Iran et al are no closer to a solution. the Us economy is in the hole and will be for years to come.
Industry like the Auto companies are dead in the water. China will overtake the US in 5 years time as the worlds power house with India on its tail and Brazil moving ahead to challenge US as the economic force of the Americas.
Barry is on a hiding to nothing and Hilary knows this.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I for one am glad that GW Bush is not there for a third term- the Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that the President should only be elected twice, and for him to have been put back would mean that they had abandoned the rule of law.
But that is the only reason.