Laws and Mair both happy!

December 19th, 2009 at 11:05 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The decision to allow the spelling of with or without the “h” has been welcomed by both sides in what has, at times, been an acrimonious debate.

Mayor hailed the move by Land Information Minister to overturn the Geographic Board’s decision to go with the “h” as an “early Christmas present for the city and district”.

, a Maori activist and one of the driving forces in seeking a change in the spelling of the city’s name, said after conveying the decision to local Maori at a city marae: “We recognise it was a difficult and courageous decision to make, but the correct one.

Maurice will be pretty happy with those headlines, even if Colin Espiner calls him a whimp.

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39 Responses to “Laws and Mair both happy!”

  1. Mike78 (80 comments) says:

    Im sorry but I don’t consider making Ken Mair happy a success. I guess thats why they get the big bucks – for making decisions that were not decisions at all. Picking the middle – trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing almost no one, that’s they way that’s what true leaders do.

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  2. fredinthegrass (274 comments) says:

    Wanganui is my ‘home’ city. I dont reside in the city but nearby.

    By the way who is Ken Mair?!

    I guess,Mike78, this is another example of Demoracy NZ style.
    Now the city can get on with the real issues it faces.

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  3. cubit (190 comments) says:

    I take exception to Maurice being called a Whimp, he is actually a Whuck Whit

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  4. backster (2,196 comments) says:

    Somewhat ironical that State Radio and State TV have been instructed to pronounce it as Northern Maori do, Fonganui while local Maori including Tariana will continue to pronounce it the way they always have Wanganui.

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  5. Manolo (14,169 comments) says:

    “Maurice will be pretty happy with those headlines, even if Colin Espiner calls him a whimp.”

    Espiner is right. Any expectations from this spineless government are rapidly waning if its sole aim is to keep the racists Moari Party happy.

    What about delivering on some of the election promises instead?
    Where is the promised strong leadership NZ needs?
    What about less dithering and more decisiveness?

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  6. CharlieBrown (1,054 comments) says:

    Does anyone seriously believe that Williamson had any say in this? This was a move by JK himself. Only he would “be pragmatic” and appease the maori party by changing the name by stealth. I really can’t wait for the day jk gets voted out and told to whuck off.

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  7. Lawrence Hakiwai (117 comments) says:

    I’m loving this new found discovery that Whanganui Maori don’t say their Hs and that means we all should.

    So it’s OK to dismiss their calls to spell it with an H, but when the decision comes that it CAN be spelled with an H suddenly the wishes of local Maori should be respected.

    And if you’re going to mispronounce it incorrectly try Wahng-a-nui – Wong-anui is just comedy.

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  8. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    And I bet Charlie Brown whacks off.

    The fact is that the incredibly small minded whuckwit known as “the man who gets to fuck the gorgeous Leonie” will one day no longer be mayor of Whanganui.

    A future mayor (does he also get to fuck the gorgeous Leonie?) will insert the “h”.

    End of story.

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  9. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Well said Charlie Brown.

    We hear how different Neville Key is to his predecessor but I can see no difference.

    Despite the flag waving of his cheerleaders he is a much of a micro manager as was Klark.

    Make no mistake, this deal was done between Neville and the fat, useless tub of lard Turia.

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  10. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Lawrence

    You really don’t get it do you.

    The more you tell the rest of us how to pronounce Maori names the more many of us will continue to pronounce them the way we always have, the more Maori use intimidation and threats of violence to achieve their goals the more many of us will dig our toes in and say “Whuck you”

    The moment Maori start to show my culture and my language some respect I will give consideration to doing the same with theirs, the sooner Maori leadership start showing some concern for the murdered kids I will start to listen to what they have to say on other matters.

    The truth is that Maori leadership do not give a toss about the death of their kids, to them the pronunciation of a towns name is far more important, I guess that is why I have nothing but contempt for them and their racist views.

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  11. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Big Bruv

    Every Maori leader decries the violence meted out to innocent Maori kids. And let’s forget just for now about which culture introduced the “spare the rod, spoil the child” mentality.

    You are the racist because you do not recognise the effect European imperialism, the last act of which is being played out in Palestine as we speak, has had on indigenous peoples all over the world,

    But a valid question, and one I would like to pursue with Maori leaders, is why the treaty settlement money is not showing up in reduced Maori offending, and not just in the child abuse category. I understand that these things take time to turn around, but it seems to me that the Maori who need the settlement money the most are just not getting their share.

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  12. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Luc

    I cannot take anything you say seriously given your website (which is nothing more than Palestinian propaganda) and this little gem…

    “You are the racist because you do not recognise the effect European imperialism”

    Anybody can denounce or decry child killings (I love the way you try to down play the child murders by calling them “violence”) but true leadership demands action, there is not ONE Maori leader who has shown that leadership.

    Frankly you pinko’s make me sick, forget politics for one moment, leave aside the pathetic accusations of racism and start doing something about the seemingly endless line up of Maori child killings and for god sake, give up the bullshit excuse of European Imperialism.

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  13. 3-coil (1,199 comments) says:

    We’ve now been officially told to put the H wherever we want to…so, I’m with the old kuia from Wongers on TV3 news last night – the H should be before the W to reflect the correct pronunciation.

    Hwanganui – yep, that’ll do.

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  14. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Big Bruv

    If my website is Palestinian propaganda, feel free to correct me on the facts I present. I do like to have my facts correct and appreciate being informed if I am in error. Try to be specific.

    All Maori leaders show the leadership you deny, but, of course, that does not suit your racist view.

    Discrimination against Maori is still alive and well in this country, and attitudes like yours, and our prison population demographics, are just an illustration of that.

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  15. Manolo (14,169 comments) says:

    “You do not recognise the effect European imperialism, the last act of which is being played out in Palestine as we speak, has had on indigenous peoples all over the world?”

    Comrade Luc, go back to North Korea or Cuba with the above tired words. Your support of socialism and communism, two defunct ideologies, is laughable.

    Go away, supporter of tyrants, murderers, and dictators.

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  16. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Luc

    “Discrimination against Maori is still alive and well in this country, and attitudes like yours, and our prison population demographics, are just an illustration of that. ”

    So Maori are locked up for crimes they did not commit are they?

    Or are you using European Imperialism as an excuse for the shocking rate of Maori crime?

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  17. Jules (36 comments) says:

    The moment Maori start to show my culture and my language some respect I will give consideration to doing the same with theirs
    Well, I am a New Zealander and my culture is drawn from both Maori and European heritage. And I am proud if it.
    Big Bruv, you are probably a ‘Jonny come lately’ and you and your ilk simply don’t understand us.
    If you are not prepared to adapt, then go back where you came from.

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  18. starboard (2,563 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen..you need to see a head doctor…you are bizaare

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  19. Jules (36 comments) says:

    And about the H in Whanganui. There was discusson on the 18th about this. How the elder Wakefield wrote down Wanganui and the younger one wrote down Whanganui.
    I pointed out that it you are not a fluent speaker of Maori that it is difficult to hear(and pronounce) some of the sounds. eg the ng in Nga which is not the same as na, and the Te which learners often prounounce as Tay.
    And also, the hearing of older people can sometimes miss some sounds which would explain the discrepancy between the younger and the older Wakefield perception.
    The Wh is not an F, to use the F is ‘hard’ and sounds awfull. Try blowing out with your mouth pursed (rather than your teeth on your lip when you use F) when you say the W running into the a. If you try you will see that the h is there but not obvious.
    I say, good on Ken Mair for being understanding.
    And Michael Laws and his elderly cohorts should just get over it.

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  20. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Jules

    “Well, I am a New Zealander and my culture is drawn from both Maori and European heritage. And I am proud if it.”

    Good for you, and for your information I am not a “‘Jonny come lately” at all, I am born and bred here, a third generation Kiwi.
    What I do detest is people like you telling me what my ‘culture’ is, I know bloody well what my culture is and it has nothing at all to do with things Maori.
    So please Jules, show me and my ‘culture’ the same respect you demand that I show toward yours, this is as much my home as it is anybody else’s, if you cant deal with that then tough fucking luck.

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  21. Jules (36 comments) says:

    why the treaty settlement money is not showing up in reduced Maori offending, and not just in the child abuse category. I understand that these things take time to turn around, but it seems to me that the Maori who need the settlement money the most are just not getting their share.

    Understand that the settlement money only compensates for 5% of the land taken.
    And if you were in charge of the money you would not regard it as a ‘lotto’ win, and spend it willy nilly. Rather you would invest is wisely and use the proceeeds to improve the people’s lot.
    And the proceeds are filtering down! Jobs, Housing, medical care etc.

    For some Maori it a case of too little, too late. It is sad indeed that some have lost touch with their people, their language and their culture. And, it gets perpetuated within families.

    eg Those teenagers who have been sentenced to ‘life’ – The judge said that their families let them down, and that they will get the life skills they need in prison. What a sad commentary. I feel very sorry for the elderly man they beat until he was killed, but you have to feel sad for the girls too. Not that they are in prison, but for the neglect that they have suffered with such disasterous consequences.

    Hopefully’ Whanau ora’, might go some way to addressing the problem.

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  22. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    “but you have to feel sad for the girls too.”

    No I do fucking NOT “have” to feel sad for these two low life.

    Do not tell me how I MUST feel about murderers, do NOT tell me how I must make excuses for them because of their parents or their skin colour and for fuck sake!, stop using colonisation as an excuse, it just make you look dumber than you actually are.

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  23. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    “Hopefully’ Whanau ora’, might go some way to addressing the problem. ”

    Ha ha ha ha, that is hilarious.

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  24. Jules (36 comments) says:

    if you cant deal with that then tough fucking luck

    I feel sorry for you too Big Bruv. Obviously your upbringing has been neglected too. Your parents have failed to introduce you to New Zealand culture, and in doing so have done you a dis-service.

    And I object to you using an expletive that is denigrating to women in your post.
    Language like that is used by people who have a poor command of the English language.

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  25. starboard (2,563 comments) says:

    Hopefully’ Whanau ora’, might go some way to addressing the problem.

    pfft…another rort which will be abused…the money will never get to where its supposed to go…and maori will continue to demand more..and more …and more…” its your fault white boy”..”its your fault”…pfftt…lazy m/f’s

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  26. Jules (36 comments) says:

    Ooo….. Big Bruv. You have one mighty’ chip on your shouder’. Calm down mate.

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  27. Redbaiter (11,880 comments) says:

    “Ooo….. Big Bruv. You have one mighty’ chip on your shouder’.”

    Julie, how about you stop preaching from your Progressive gospel and wake up to the fact that there are people out there who do not buy into your socialist crap and who have very different opinions on the issues you so arrogantly claim the high moral ground on. Break out of the Berlin wall that surrounds your thinking processes. Insufferable patronising fool.

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  28. Pete George (23,810 comments) says:

    ??? how about you stop preaching from your ??? gospel and wake up to the fact that there are people out there who do not buy into your ??? crap and who have very different opinions on the issues you so arrogantly claim the high moral ground on. Break out of the Berlin wall that surrounds your thinking processes. Suffering patronising self-fool.

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  29. starboard (2,563 comments) says:

    Suffering patronising self-fool.

    Pot meet kettle..big time

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  30. Redbaiter (11,880 comments) says:

    Its so comforting to witness such impotency in the left.

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  31. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Jules

    Seeing as (in your extremely humble opinion) I have ‘missed out’ on New Zealand culture could you tell me what it is that I have missed out on?

    Please do tell me what my culture is and how (again, in your extremely humble opinion) I should be forced to embrace it.

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  32. Brian Marshall (205 comments) says:

    I’m laughing at the local Wanganui Maori being upset that state media will pronouce it Fonga-nui.
    The language I speak is english and to the ears of the british settlers of Petre, it sounded like Wanga-nui. So they wrote down Wanganui. Now English is an evolving language and if the English speakers wrote down and pronouced the settlement name closer to how it was before this decision, they are right. That is the way english evolves and as an English speaker, I will still say that the name of the city is Wanganui.
    Those who speak to me in English and call it Whanganui are disrespecting my culture. We don’t have a BS insistituition like they do in France, to standerdise French for English….but we do have a BS institution to standerdise Maori, and that is what is being attempted here.
    By the way, old timers from the Bay of Plenty still say Whaka-tane with the ‘Wh’ like in the word ‘What’ or ‘Which’.
    Same sh!theads installing their version of Maori on the good people of New Zealand.

    Oh and Jules, you’re another ignorant idiot spouting off about how the Maori lost their land. The vast majority was sold freely, and most of the land confiscated was done as punishment against Maori tribes revolting in armed rebellion. Yet today, many of those same tribes claim that it should not have happened under the treaty. The same treaty that they broke.

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  33. Manolo (14,169 comments) says:

    “Hopefully’ Whanau ora’, might go some way to addressing the problem.”

    So you think the problem might be solved by throwing more money at it?

    Have you considered the incredible high percentage of solo-parent Maori families? The number of DPB and welfare benefit recipients who are Maori? The number of disfunctional Maori families? The number or Maori prisoners? The health statistics for Maori, including major diseases and life expectancy?

    What all these figures tell you?

    It will be impossible to solve any of these problems until the so-called leaders of Maoridom attempt to make the minimum effort to forge ahead in life, instead of blaming the white man and colonisation for their problems.

    Whanau ora will not achieve anything.

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  34. CharlieBrown (1,054 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen (822) Says:
    “And I bet Charlie Brown whacks off.”

    Nah Luc, JK made whacking illegal. And I doubt any Wanganui mayor will get elected with the promise of changing the name. Most of NZ probably hopes it gets changed back. And while they’re at it, rename Mount Egmont.

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  35. big bruv (14,218 comments) says:

    Mt Egmont has another name???

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  36. CharlieBrown (1,054 comments) says:

    Brian Marshall – “Now English is an evolving language”

    You are right. This change really highlights the fact that the maori language is a historical language only… kind of like Latin… it serves no purporse whatsoever IE, the maori language is dead.

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  37. Lawrence Hakiwai (117 comments) says:

    “The more you tell the rest of us how to pronounce Maori names the more many of us will continue to pronounce them the way we always have”

    Good on ya Big Bruv.

    I’m no leftie so I won’t tell you what to think.

    I will go on saying the words as they’re supposed to be said and will laugh out loud every time I hear mangled words.

    My favorite is of a rural settlement just out of Palmerston North – the locals call it A-cow-tree – others might say Aukautere.

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  38. Brian Marshall (205 comments) says:

    Just curious Lawrence, how would you say Wairoa?

    I recall listening to Radio NZ once when they had a linguist on about the Wh/Wanganui debate. In a really early 1900’s recording they had of a natural Maori speaker from around Matamata, they had about 40 different veriations of the Wh/F sound. Standised maori taught seem to reflect only 1.

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  39. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    Everyone’s happy then. I was going to make my own suggested spelling:

    Whangashithole

    but now, no need.

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