OUSA attempts censorship

February 20th, 2010 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

The ODT reports on the compulsory membership :

The Otago University Students Association wants broadcast media to sign a contract before attending Ori10 concerts.

The annual orientation event starts tomorrow and upon requesting media passes to cover it, Dunedin’s Channel 9 production manager Luke Chapman received a media release form.

The contract contained clauses banning broadcast of footage “showing severe intoxication . . . including, but not limited to vomiting, concussion, fighting, individuals receiving medical attention, and sexually explicit material”.

Oh how wonderful. Instead of having events with no vomiting, fighting or injuries, OUSA just wants to ban the media from showing such activities.

TV3 reporter Dave Goosselink compared OUSA’s attempts at controlling the media to the Fijian Government.

He had never signed a contract to attend orientation events before and said the station never intentionally chased drunk people.

TV3 had never seen a contract like it and he believed one had never existed in New Zealand.

TVNZ One News editor Paul Patrick said he would not sign a contract.

“If they don’t want us to cover orientation, we won’t,” he said.

When he first saw the contract, he “thought it was a joke”.

And universities are meant to be bastions of !

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47 Responses to “OUSA attempts censorship”

  1. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    ” And universities are meant to be bastions of free speech!”

    Maybe fifty or sixty years ago. The kind of soviet style dictate in the media release form is nothing unexpected today.

    Today, firmly in the grip of the Progressives, Universities are Stalinist gulags where speech codes and the dictates of feminists multiculturalists racists and Marxists (all the same thing really) overrule freedom and liberty every time.

    Our universities are an utter disgrace, and its time we cleared the Progressives from these institutions and returned them to their original status as centers for open learning and the advancement of ideas that uphold liberty rather than slavery.

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  2. MIKMS (167 comments) says:

    I have found UC to be a very free speech related university, the UCSA promotes a neutral attitude to the VSA Bill and the vast variety of political and philosophical debate never gets violent. the place isn’t run by far left or right thinkers such as the VUW student Union and I’ve never been pressured in any means for ideologies such as climate change, Global Warming or Capitalism except for the one random ranter in my Politics lecture

    Universities do have some far thinking bad eggs but generally they are great places,
    As for the OUSA, frankly if I was leading one of the News stations I’d have a team there anyway, screw the censorship contract just hide in the bushes and take even more amusing shots, if the OUSA thinks its O week isn’t going to be news then they are slightly mental

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  3. Alan Wilkinson (1,878 comments) says:

    OASU obviously still wants to blame Canterbury students for everything.

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  4. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Both sides of this argument have reasonable points, and both are trying to ignore their worst excesses.

    I can remember not long ago seeing “news” reports with TV crews in empty streets as good as inviting attention seekers and wreckers to come and give them some footage, even suggesting what could be done. Sure enough, the neanderthals of the city and of the province flocked in to oblige. TV coverage was as responsible as anything else for the worst excesses.

    I presume TV stations would be happy to have unlimited outside coverage of their private Christmas parties etc.

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  5. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Compulsory union membership has no place in a free society. The answer is obvious. Let the so called student unions tout for members by offering something useful in return for their subscriptions otherwise let them die. Pass the law Neville.

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  6. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Both sides of this argument have reasonable points, and both are trying to ignore their worst excesses.”

    Please spare us the subjective Dr. Phil platitudes.

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  7. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Apart from being immoral, this tactic by OUSA is just so incredibly stupid. How did they think this wouldn’t get out ? They’ve handed the media a much better and easier story about censorship than the one they’re trying to censor. And also since they’ve given the media an annoyingly difficult set of conditions for consent to use the footage, of course they’re not going to bother with the footage and just run the censorship story instead. DUH

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  8. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    “TV3 reporter Dave Goosselink compared OUSA’s attempts at controlling the media to the Fijian Government. ”

    Is this fuckwit for real? He is comparing a bunch of amateur little spoilt brat socialists with a man who wields serious power over other peoples lives! (Who I happen to quite admire).

    What a tosser! Pass the law Neville! End of problem!

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  9. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    “I presume TV stations would be happy to have unlimited outside coverage of their private Christmas parties etc”

    except i dont pay vast sums of money to send my kids to a TV station for higher learning….

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  10. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Redpreacher, you sermonise someone else: “as anxious to preach your sermons as they are”. Every thread today you try to tell others what they shouldn’t post or that they should go away.

    Have you been advising OUSA on censorship?

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  11. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    The whole point of this story is that here are our youth, in universities that are regarded as the pride of western civilization, apparently being taught ideas that are abhorrent to any civilised society. Where they should be being educated in matters that allow them to think as free and open citizens of the free world, they are clearly being taught to think like the monsters of the soviet era or throwbacks like Chavez. Something is seriously dysfunctional in universities.

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  12. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Most of our teachers of course passed through these glorious halls of learning.

    Might explain something about the current state of this sceptred isle.

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  13. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Pete George 3:29 pm,

    Redpreacher, you even sermonise someone else on “as anxious to preach your sermons as they are”. Every thread today you try to tell others what they shouldn’t post or that they should go away.

    It’s a free country, Pete.
    If you write crap I’ll tell you to “go away”, too.

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  14. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “If you write crap I’ll tell you to “go away”, too.”

    Most of his posts are just pale and insipid expressions of support for the Progressive status quo. As useful as tits on a bull.

    The other issue here is the obvious unwillingness of the students to face up to their own responsibilities. The solution to not being shown on televison to be a gang of self indulgent dropkicks without any personal behaviour or moral limits is not to behave that way in public. Instead they take the victim track….. “Oooh we’re being unfairly portrayed by the media”.

    Schmucks. Too many dumbfucks get into university these days, and the lecturers aren’t much better.

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  15. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Who else is going to teach them to drink and whore themselves?
    We have a culture to uphold here people! and education has no place in it!!

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  16. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Some lecturers tend to flit between professions like “smarmy Maharey” who being a socialist tosser was of course a supporter of media censorship.

    ‘In April 2007, Maharey came under criticism for saying ‘fuck you’ in parliamentary question time on April 4.[7] He apologised shortly afterwards. The outburst was elicited when Maharey was questioned by Jonathan Coleman about the appropriateness of his actions as broadcasting minister threatening to complain to the Radio New Zealand board when he was displeased by a host Sean Plunket referring to a comment Maharey had made about the need for the Cambridge exam in Botswana as ‘racist.’ [8]‘

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  17. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    University (Auckland) was bad enough back in the early 80s in this regard.
    I’m just glad I did an Engineering Degree and didn’t have to put up with this sort of crap.

    And as Johnboy (3:38 pm) alluded:
    If you’re a teacher and did some BS degree like a BA and now ‘teach’ in the Indoctrination … I mean, Education System it’s little wonder that the next generation are largely stuffed before they even leave the starting blocks.

    These ‘progressive’ thinkers need to be routed out of the education system before society is beyond any hope of recovery.
    I think many of us fear that the horse has already long since bolted, and to reverse the damage will require some kind of miracle. But we live in hope.

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  18. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    “But we live in hope.” and Anne Tolley.

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  19. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 3:45 pm,

    The other issue here is the obvious unwillingness of the students to face up to their own responsibilities. The solution to not being shown on televison to be a gang of self indulgent dropkicks without any personal behaviour or moral limits is not to behave that way in public. Instead they take the victim track….. “Oooh we’re being unfairly portrayed by the media”.

    Personal Responsibility, … Good Behaviour, … Moral Limits – so last millenium, Red, you really do need to get up to date.

    Comment like yours might bruise their (students’) fragile egos and self esteem – you need to go and repent to auntie Helun.

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  20. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Johnboy 3:55 pm,

    “But we live in hope.” and Anne Tolley.

    Amen, brother!

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  21. Lutzie (56 comments) says:

    Isn’t this just like the US government forbidding images of coffins coming home from Iraq?

    NBC, CNN and FOX should at least toe the line drawn by OUSA.

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  22. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Red what university are you currently at because I haven’t seen you round Massey recently so I’m assuming your detailed knowledge comes all the time you spend at victoria or auckland right? Right?

    Here’s a little gem for you digest. Most students come to university to study and get a degree. Those that don’t and are here to party only last a few weeks before we don’t see them again and they fail out.

    Most students value their own ideas and tutors who try to indoctrinate them find that few people sign up for the papers they take and they struggle to keep their jobs. Guess which end of the poltical sprectrum that group belongs to.

    The reality and the perception are two very different things.

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  23. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “The reality and the perception are two very different things.”

    The last course papers I received from Waikato University were so sick in their rank racist and political allegiances and promotion of political correctness I withdrew from the course. Don’t talk to me about fucking reality and perception rube.

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  24. Johnboy (16,516 comments) says:

    Isn’t smarmy polishing a chair at Massey Murray?

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  25. LeftRightOut (622 comments) says:

    David Farrar, Redbirther, Kris K, and cohorts. Have you seen the censorship aroung the Rugby World Cup? Why are you not protesting at this vicious attack on freedom, the right to go about lawful business unmolested and the interference of the state in who can or cannot sell what?

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  26. dad4justice (8,214 comments) says:

    Oh right leftnightout, PD just finished.

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  27. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    “Most students come to university to study and get a degree. Those that don’t and are here to party only last a few weeks before we don’t see them again and they fail out. ”

    “I withdrew from the course. “

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  28. LeftRightOut (622 comments) says:

    I thought you had to work until 5:30, Pete.

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  29. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    The contract applied only to broadcast media’s coverage of private concerts held in the Union Hall, she said.

    There would be no such restrictions on outdoor and public events.

    “We are well within our rights to restrict access to anyone [to] our private events.”

    Students went to concerts thinking they would be a private event, not expecting media to be there, she said.

    Should the media have a right to show any coverage of private events?

    Many private events are very restricted – especially concerts and movie showings.

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  30. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Pete George 5:05 pm,

    … and you wonder why Red takes the gloves off when he deals with (to) you …

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  31. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    LRO
    You have a point there, it affect all businesses within a distance of events.

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  32. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    LeftRightOut 5:02 pm,

    David Farrar, Redbirther, Kris K, and cohorts. Have you seen the censorship aroung the Rugby World Cup? Why are you not protesting at this vicious attack on freedom, the right to go about lawful business unmolested and the interference of the state in who can or cannot sell what?

    Is that a bit like the fact that you’re not able to sell blue flags at the Labour Party AGM?

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  33. LeftRightOut (622 comments) says:

    It also affects the clothes people can wear, the drinks they can have. The Commerce Commission should be permitted to put a stop to this corporate dictatorship. No corporation should ever be permitted to control the use of public spaces and others private property / businesses.

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  34. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Haha Kris, Red was attacking all and sundry with slurs and deliberate lies long before I came here. He tries to discredit anyone he disagrees with, he thinks US media tactics work on NZ blogs. But you may not understand, you seem to be his friend.

    The rugby world cup is different , it is a commercial enterprise so should have the freedom to restrict anything that could be competitive.

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  35. LeftRightOut (622 comments) says:

    No Kris K, its not. Are blue flags banned from sale at the Labour Party AGM? Is the Labour PArty AGM a private event, or a public event? Is it held in private space or public space? Does the Labour Party AGM prevent the National Party holding their AGM in a building down the street?

    As usual, you’re simply an ignorant dolt.

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  36. dog_eat_dog (780 comments) says:

    Pete, absolutely not. One business should not be able to control the market unless it has earned that right through it. Regulation is not the damn answer, and the costs of this event is being borne by the taxpayer. The more business that get money spent in them, the wider the benefits.

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  37. LeftRightOut (622 comments) says:

    “…it is a commercial enterprise so should have the freedom to restrict anything that could be competitive.”

    So Countdown can stop New World selling groceries?

    Munns can stop tarocash selling trousers?

    DB can stop Lion selling beer?

    Yeah, right!

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  38. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    LeftRightOut 5:34 pm,

    Try developing a sense of humour, and lighten up man – you’ll give yourself a coronary.

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  39. LeftRightOut (622 comments) says:

    Sorry Kris, I am too wound up. Maybe you should pray for me. I need a new leg to replace the one lost in a car accident 4 years ago, just below knee. Do you think god could grow it back if we both pray hard enough?

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  40. Kieran_B (76 comments) says:

    Yarns. I know a lot of people around here are against compulsory student membership, and this is a dog whistle story to get this revved up.

    I graduated Otago last year. Of course students love to get on the piss, and this is it’s worst during O-Week because of the 2 factors of; you are there with $1000-5000 of holiday money saved, and there is no class during the week. What else are you going to do?

    I suspect what OUSA want is to stop the media misrepresenting O-Week. Sure, they’ll show 4 students in a 90 second story vomiting, coma-ing out or doing stupid shit…but they won’t balance the story with the vastly significant amount that will behave themselves.

    It has become a self-perpetuating cycle, especially since the first Undie-500 ‘riot’ in 2006. Form 7 students see the odd person behaving like a fuckwit on the news and think this is representative of all Otago student. So the next year there is an influx of there fuckwits. Etc etc. Censorship? Jesus mate.

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  41. noskire (842 comments) says:

    The point should be that most who graduate after indulging in this ‘baptism of fire’ get it out of their system and get over it.

    I would hazard a guess that the majority of Maori and those of ‘island descent’ still carry on like this on a weekly basis, regardless of age.

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  42. kisekiman (219 comments) says:

    Kieran, I think you will find the first really big riot was back in 1990. That was a ripper although some of the recent ones have been up there as well.

    As you say students love to get on the piss but does that make it a good thing? Anyway as you said fuckwit behaviour attracts more fuckwits. However if you choose to be a fuckwit then ultimately one’s choices in life are going to be limited.

    I think most students of moderate intelligence will end up realising that sooner or later.

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  43. ephemera (556 comments) says:

    @noskire

    “hazard a guess”… Is that the hip new way people couch saying something stupid and prejudicial?

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  44. Nigel Kearney (1,012 comments) says:

    I’m not sure what the issue is here. If they are holding the orientation events on public property, the media don’t need a pass. If they’re on University property then then they can make whatever rules they please and there no issue with free speech or censorship. The fact that the University is ultimately owned by taxpayers doesn’t make it public property in the sense that anyone who wants to can show up and start filming regardless of the wishes of the organisers of the event. Try doing that at Westpac Stadium and see how far you get.

    I really doubt that students wish to be broadcast drunk on national news and if I was running an orientation event I would just have it for students only and not admit the media at all.

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  45. peteremcc (344 comments) says:

    The problem is that it’s the compulsory students’ association, not the university, Nigel.

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  46. Clint Heine (1,570 comments) says:

    During student riots and mass events at Otago I always found students wanting very much to be seen on TV, showing off their excellent couch burning skills and general drunken shenanigans. OUSA forget that they don’t speak on behalf of students. If a student wishes to object then they can easily do this themselves.

    This is just OUSA trying hard to legitimise themselves as “standing up for students rights” during a year when VSM is coming closer. If OUSA say they are protecting students from the evil media, they can easily say this “protection” would be gone under VSM. Blah blah blah. Dave Goosselink is right, OUSA are emulating Dear Leader and considering how many of them are Labour it isn’t a surprise whatsoever!

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  47. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    Why would the media even be bothering to cover these events?

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