Child Cruelty
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:21 am by David FarrarA two-month-old baby left home alone by his parents was found to have cannabis in his system, a Hamilton court has been told.
Details of the child’s neglect were revealed in the Hamilton District Court yesterday as his parents, Rosina Ann Wilson, 43, and Paul Cheyne, 53, were sentenced to 12 months’ intensive supervision.
Both had earlier pleaded guilty to charges of abandoning a child and cruelty to a child.
The charges related to an incident on May 27, 2008, in which Wilson and Cheyne admitted leaving their two-month-old son home alone.
The couple were unable to say how long they were away from the address.
Most parents panic if their baby is out of sight for even 30 seconds. How could anyone just leave a two month old at home alone?
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May 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
Judge Clark gives these moronic parents a pc slap on the hand. No wonder we are world leaders in child abuse. What a pathetic sentence!
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
Clearly these people are victims of the system. It’s not their fault, it’s our evil capitalist democracy and the National Party that made them do it.
Signed,
Concerned Lefty.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
This is happening more and more. Just the other day some drunk dropkick left her kids in the car so she could get pissed. What the fuck are these women thinking?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
Dont worry Ried, Whanua Ora will be here soon!
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
reid 9:34 am,
Yeah, I agree.
Vote:We really should consider arranging a family conference and provide ongoing free counselling for the poor darlings. Excuse me while I go and shed a tear on their behalf.
May 22nd, 2010 at 9:57 am
Trash is as Trash does.
What Trailor Park or Housing NZ estate do these losers live in? Are they on the invalids or the sickness benefit? And when was the sperm donor released from Prison?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
“This is happening more and more.”
Yep, its what the left call “Progressive” – code for the destruction of moral boundaries, ethics, and personal responsibility.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
I wonder how long it will take Phool to tell us that Cannabis in the child’s system is not bad for it.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Who the fuck cares what Phool has to say about anything?? If you and your simple minded mates stopped pandering to his narcissism, he would go away.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am
Well said Redbaiter. Get a life blouse.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 am
“If you and your simple minded mates stopped pandering to his narcissism, he would go away.”
Do you think that would work for you and your buddy D4J as well Comrade Redbaiter?
BTW, has your hero Palin blamed anything else on “foreigners” this week?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am
“How could anyone just leave a two month old at home alone?”
Your mistake is asigning human traits to what are clearly subhuman monkeys.
You read me. Monkeys unfit to be permitted the privilage of reproducing.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am
Man alive, it is sickening to know that none of us a surprised by this behavior.
This country is alive and thriving with TRASH humans, wake the fuck up NZ and punish these POS..
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 am
“..I wonder how long it will take Phool to tell us that Cannabis in the child’s system is not bad for it…”
funnily enough..i am very conservative on that one…
..i am as horrified by parents exposing their children to pot smoke…as tobacco smoke…
(so..just another lie from fat-slug..eh…?
..it must be a day ending in a ‘y’…)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 am
Ever observed how a female animal dotes on her young. These cretins are not animals, they are human in form but have no humanity in their soles. I think we need to define another species to describe examples such as these. How about SCUM.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 am
I agree pathetic the only one to receive a sentence was the baby by being returned to these hopeless slobs. The Judge is either extremely naive or complicit with the lying lawyers.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:07 am
Scum is a good name, although they could also be referred to as products of the socialist state.
No personal responsibility, no blame (it’s never their fault), no shame (they obviously need help) or as the Greens would say “they need higher benefits”
There is only one way to deal with these vermin, remove the kids permanently, place them with a family that will care for, and love them and do not allow the birth parents any access at all.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:07 am
So much for the welfare of the child, if the system gave a rats arse, the child would have been taken from them and put up for adoption.
Sterilize both the fuckers, fucktards like this shouldn’t be left with the ability to breed.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:11 am
so..no withdrawal of yr latest lie..?..eh fat-slug..?
just steam right on to the next one..eh..?
and all done behind an alias…
that’d be because yr a snivelling/gutless-wonder..?..perchance..?
lacking the testicular-fortitude to stand behind the lies/bullshit you peddle..eh..?
you are a fucken joke..!..eh..?
you do know that..eh..?
every day you just spout bullshit/outright-lies..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:14 am
d4j: Well said Redbaiter. Get a life blouse.
Do you hold his cock for him too?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 am
isn’t it time for you to call the dob-a-benificiary line..?..again..?
fat-slug..?
what a fine example of a human being you are…!
..eh..?
(perhaps best you keep yr real name hidden..eh..?
..you probably couldn’t handle the scorn/people laughing in yr face..eh..?
oh wanker-template..!..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 am
What lies Phool?, you often tell us that Cannabis is harmless despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
And as for the dob in a bludger line, I thought I would give it a break for a few days, in the mean time I will keep gathering evidence (your own words) and get back on their case next week.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 am
Just another example of how harmless cannabis is. These parents are obviously wanting pass on the benefits they have had from using it on to their offspring. Nice to see such well educated productive adults. I say we should give them more free money.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 am
“Do you hold his cock for him too?”
Gutter comment to be expected from the sordid Bevan.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:24 am
Why is anyone surprised. Beneficiaries have children for the money, not because they want kids. Then all the brats do is interfere with their lifestyle.
I guess getting the kid stoned stops it crying for food and attention. How handy. Who knew cannabis had so many great uses.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 11:37 am
Heres a comment I made at Lindsay Mitchells blog this morning before I had visited kiwiblog,
Vote:“You know what really bugs me about this indiscriminate incentisised breeding. I’ts not the money, it’s the fact that innocent babies are born into environments where they will never know the happiness, care, and love, that as far as I am concerned is a childs right. It is this fact that should be rammed down the throats of the pinko liberals that support the status quo. But then they would just accuse you of stereotyping, and quite possibly of being racist”.
May 22nd, 2010 at 11:51 am
Muzza, you’re racist.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Well, if you read the whole story it sounds a bit different:
But rather than post a story about a couple who did something terrible, the system caught it and they turned their lives around, you choose to post just the terrible.
And look at all the right wingers crawling out of their holes and their outrage and their stereotyping. Talk about dog whistling.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
To me by far the most disturbing part of this story is that the state was able to take the blood of a two month old child, presumably without permission, and use that as evidence.
Sorry to interrupt this high quality thread.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm
eszett, time will tell, lawyers are pretty adept at painting a rosy picture it’s their job, and CYPS? well thier record speaks for itself. What is “addressing cannabis use”? You either smoke it or you don’t. “Huge progress in resolving thier substance abuse”? You either abuse substances or you don’t. Where the care of a child is concerned there should be no benefit of the doubt and no second chances. Scum like this just might wake up if there were effective sanctions in place to deal with them. I bet you $100 that either one or both of these two end up in the dock again within the next 10 years.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
eszett I feel most aggrieved at your stereotypical view of conservatives. I know you probably didn’t notice yourself doing it but I have noticed that lefties adopt a conservative stereotype all the time and then what’s more they often adopt it as they hypocritically accuse others of doing the very same thing. Apparently while normal people are alert to this quite obvious hypocrisy, lefties aren’t, because they’re fucked in the head.
That’s not a stereotype that’s actual science-based-research, BTW.
Isn’t that interesting.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Really, Reid?
After reading the whole article, go back and read the comments. Do you think they are justified in light of what is being said in the article?
Don’t you think that a lot of the commentators are jumping to their preconceived conclusions, prejudices and stereotypes by reading only the section that DPF posted?
Just a few buzzwords: Scum, trash, beneficiaries, monkeys, sterilize them, need a license to breed, producing children just to get support, the progressives are to blame.
And you think that’s not stereotyping?
Even as a right winger, would you not agree that the article as a whole is more positive than the section that was posted?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
eset left out the bit where the lawyer told the court at the start of his tale “once upon a time ” and ended with” and they all lived happily ever after………”
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
eszett, you can call it sterotyping if you want, I call it being realistic. That’s something you liberals have a hard time with, because your heads are always up your arse. The liberal experiment has failed both individuals and society. It’s time your lot swallowed your pride, buried your egos, and admit you were wrong. How many more children have to suffer, some fatally, before you will do this.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Muzza M points out:
I agree completely with the first sentence. But what irreversible psychological effect do you think growing up unloved and neglected has on a person? What neurological effect is brought about by exposure to cannabis while the brain is still developing? What developmental damage is done by a lack of interaction, stimulation and opportunity for learning, particularly in the first six or seven years of life?
Yet in a little over a decade, when that baby first hits our justice system as an angry, violent, psychologically damaged and mentally sub-normal offender, most people here will be reaching for the same epithets to describe him as they are his parents.
It comes down to this. The solutions of most lefties would be to throw money and counselling at the parents and cross their fingers and hope the kid turns out okay. Or, worst case, throw it into underfunded foster care, possibly with an extended family member whose resentment will boil over into cruelty. But CYFS won’t spot it because there aren’t enough staff and those there are have been hand picked to ensure they have the “right” mindset.
The solution of most righties would be much simpler. Wait till he grows up and harms someone, then hurl him into one of “Crusher’s” packing case cells to rot, be brutalised and further dehumanised, at a cost of around $100,000 a year (in today’s prices), and let the David Garretts and Garth McVicars of the time blame it all on him being “scum”.
Oh, and call anyone who points out this criminal was doomed from birth a “pinko liberal” :-/
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Muzza – That’s not gong to happen. Liberals mostly believe that suffering like this happens because their ideology isn’t yet entrenched sufficiently … ergo more liberalism is required.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Rex – Muzza highlighted the failure of liberalism on childhood, and you have highlighted the failure of conservatism when dealing (punishing?) the results at adulthood. So what’s your solution?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Even animals protect their young better then this.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
So Rex what we do is STOP allowing children to be born into such environments. We remove the incentive, and if that doesn’t prove enough, we remove the child and place them into GOOD well funded foster care. We stop wasting money on the scroat parents and concentrate the funds on the innocent child. Pretty simple really.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Krazykiwi:
Phew, I deliberately tried to avoid writing an essay, but since you ask…
Muzza has in fact come up with part of the solution in his comment above. It’s my favourite mantra: consequences.
When you have a child you become responsible for it and to it. I find it the height of hypocrisy that the government (including left wing governments) are more than happy to impose often crippling financial burdens on parents (usually men) whose relationship with their child’s mother ends, yet shy away from imposing any sort of accountability on parents who happen to still be in their childs’ lives.
Of course the men they chase most greedily are those on high incomes whose partners are on a benefit, grasping a significant proportion of their income (sometimes as high as half) while paying the mother an inadequate benefit and pocketing the difference.
But getting back to your question… we monitor parents (not intrusively, but through exisiting measures which assess and report on the health, educational achievement and other benchmarks of their children). We first intervene with assistance, advice and support for those who are genuinely struggling. But we don’t keep on and on doing the same thing and assuming we’ll get a different result. For those who still can’t cope – and the no hopers who simply refuse to meet their responsibilities to their children – we intervene more forcibly.
Sometimes that might, as Muzza M suggests, involve transfer to foster care. It would certainly involve tying benefit payments, WFF payments and any other state assistance received to performance, with financial consequences for deliberate failure. It might involve – as the Australian government has done with the Northern Territory Intervention – providing government support in forms other than cash (cards which can only be used for groceries and similar necessities etc).
In short, the usual balance of carrot and stick, both as consequences of people’s actions. Im not saying I have a perfect plan. What I am saying is that the left’s mollycoddling and rewarding of the perpetrators and the right’s punishing of the victims of childhood neglect (albeit when they reached teenage or adulthood) have failed… it’s time for a reappraisal.
(Incidentally I also highlighted the failure of what you call liberalism. I just don’t call countenancing child neglect “liberal”, I call it irresponsible).
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 7:20 pm
Im just a Visitor from the Bay….but is this chap “Philu” on something?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 7:37 pm
You could say that.
Copious weed and our tax payer dollars to be exact
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
yes Visitor, cannabis purchased with taxpayer money, and an entitlement syndrome pretty much typical of the kiwi psych at this time, and probably for some time to come
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Actually I have just read the rest of the comments…the WORST thing about this story (says “Ben”) is that the child’s blood was taken for analysis presumably without consent..
God help us… a child inhaling dope smoke and that’s the worst aspect of it for him/her?
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Visitorfromthebay;
I assume Ben is talking about the principle that police ought not to be able to take DNA material from an innocent person without their informed consent and, if they do, there need to be strict rules about its use and retention.
Just because you happen to get mugged on the way home, the police shouldn’t have the power to take a blood sample without your consent, find you smoked a bit of cannabis before you left, and promptly bust you at your hospital bedside.
Of course it was eminently justified in this case, but in such siituations a barrister could easily be appointed in loco parentis.
Of course perhaps a responsible relative was in temporary custody and did give consent, and the point is moot. But that’s the fun of Kiwiblog… we don’t need all the facts to reach a conclusion! (And some of us need no facts at all!!
)
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Like your post at 5.44 Rex, not much you can disagree with there.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Rex I used to be a pharmacist, after 25 years i decided to quit coz i was sick of taking the shit home with me, incidentally it cost me my first marriage. I’m assuming you are a lawyer coz you comment like one, take some good advice from me, time for a career change.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Easy to do when they’re a couple of stupid fuckers off their face. The kid needs to go to some responsible family member.
Vote:May 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 pm
eszett
Vote:Really, oh….the baby home alone & second hand dak in its bloodstream…mmm, that’s not really rehabilitation is it!
May 22nd, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Court directed sterilisation would be a good move in the right direction!!
A very good move for all of us.
Otherwise the problem keeps increasing as does the captive voter base of the Communists that re-branded as Labour in so many countries. They lie more than any nasty skanky Fascist ever has or could.
Do you have to be deluded, and/or a compulsive dogmatic liar to be an activist in these Pinko circles.
These elite, chardonnay swilling intellectuals have no risk gene, only a control freak gene.
Vote:May 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 am
And “court directed sterilisation” is not a form of control? And fascist?
You manage to contradict yourself within a few sentences and then go about how stupid and deluded the lefties are.
Vote:Nice one.
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Guy Fawkes: And when things spiral out of control – with a name like yours you must be well aware that politicians always take more power, never relinquish what they have – and you, or one of your descendants, is sentenced to sterilisation because you (or they) have, say, been overheard criticising the present government?
Muzza M: A pharmacist who takes work home?! My apologies, because it’s undoubtedly not what you meant, but it conjures a picture of someone cackling madly as they take home enough laxatives to ensure their noisy neighbours are prevented from partying all weekend
Nickb: Thank you. It’s always good to be reassured that I occasionally make sense
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