Prime Minister David Cameron

May 12th, 2010 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

is now the Prime Minister of the of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Congrats to Prime Minister Cameron and my many friends in the UK who were fighting for this outcome.

The Telegraph has a great timeline of the last few hours, as the Labour and Lib Dems negotiation fell apart.

Nick Clegg is to be Deputy Prime Minister in a full coalition. That should give stability. They have also agreed on the desirability for a fixed election term, which means the next election which can be held any time up to May 2015, may be set in law for May 2014 and every four years there after.

The Lib Dems have five Cabinet posts.

David Cameron is the 19th PM from Eton, out of 53 in total. He is the youngest for 200 years, aged only 43. I can safely say no one will ever beat Pitt the Younger’s record of becoming PM at age 24. Pitt was PM for a total of 20 years.

I’m very pleased by the result.  Apart from the obvious political leanings, I had a lot of money on iPredict for Cameron to become Prime Minister.

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111 Responses to “Prime Minister David Cameron”

  1. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Saw it on Saturday in Taupo.

    Obvious talent, but in that performance the Table Tennis ball phase was at 24 mins and I simply could take no more.

    There are similar shows (So I am told) in Thailand and other places, but perhaps not as so acceptable in mainstream NZ.

    Pity to have missed out on the mechanical dog bit.

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  2. youami (44 comments) says:

    I saw his show last night too. Thought it was absolutely brilliant and would recommend it to anyone. Had me in fits of laughter the whole way through.

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  3. Neil (589 comments) says:

    Not likely to seen in my small rural town. Probably too many gumboots around here to fit in the ping pong balls !!
    Great to hear that this cultural event will lift the sights of the public servants in Wellingto.
    Fringe cultural events in Wellington are great but don’t reflect the whole country. Now, it’s up to the intellectuals not to rubbish places, like the Sunday Times magazine,small minded precious intelligentsia seem to like to do. Each sector has different types of people, therefore these places have different needs.Onward and upward Gore,Winton,Oamaru and Timaru.

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  4. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    ^^^^^^^^^^ lol

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  5. Captain Neurotic (203 comments) says:

    Phil – Can I please get a collective apology given the abuse you have been giving to people who predicted this? Also the general violation of any discussion claiming that the Tories would not form a Government?

    I takes a real man to admit defeat and that they were wrong…

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  6. NOt1tocommentoften (433 comments) says:

    DPF – two posts have merged here! Your comments about the comedy night don’t fit well with this mornings changes…

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  7. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Oh god, I’m normally one to try and ignore trolls but, this is directed at philu……

    AHAHAHAHAHHHAHH

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    HAHAHAHAHHAAHH
    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Do you feel silly now? Come on, man up and admit you were completely fucking WRONG

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  8. dime (10,125 comments) says:

    so what do we make of this guy?

    is he a john key moderate?

    5 years!!! awesome if ya win.. but a bitch if ya lose!

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  9. tom hunter (5,091 comments) says:

    I RIP’d Philu a long time ago – but today I’m at work on IE and can see it all. So I thought I would take 15 minutes of my billable time and haul up the following (compressed) for everyone’s ‘edification’, reference – and general hilarity.

    And as you read these remember Jon Stewart’s line from the other night, about a person’s delivery being….

    Like a guy at a party who’s doing a lot of coke, who traps you in a corner, who explains really intensely how an ant is the strongest animal on earth.

    1. brown has gone…the lib-dems will now go with labour….prop-rep soon….and the tories frozen out of power forever…their hegemony at an end..

    2. they have the numbers…and really…35% of brits want a tory govt….far more want a progressive govt…it’s called democracy…and it wd seem that ‘maths is not your strong suit’

    3. heh..!..a tory was just on nat-rad…spewing/spitting tacks about ‘a rainbow..coalition..even including the greens..!’..”’it won’t last..!’..he fulminated..heh..heh…!

    4. i know it’s been said before…but..’a week is a long time in politics’…eh…? and i don’t want to rub salt into the wounds…(i lie..!..i have salt-shaker in hand..!..) but does this mean that key/our tory govt…..are the only conservatives..adrift in a sea of progressivism…?..and..for the forseeable future..?seven years ..(at least).. in america……and forever in britain..? whoar..!

    5. “holy ideological lonely-boys!…batman..!”

    6. i understand that you are all feeling a little grim…..’gutted’..?..even..? i mean..you have all had this ‘new tory’ govt in britain…as one of yr ‘certainties’…for so long….eh..? it must ache…?

    7. i mean..can’t you see that…? that the tory stranglehold on british life…..is over…..and all in the space of a week…eh …we/you have had the rollercoaster ride of camerons’missus measuring up the curtains at 10 downing st…and ‘happy days are here again’…..to remaining in opposition…and prop-rep ensuring they will be there..forever..?..and a/the new green mp..going to be part of the new govt.. (how ‘cool!’ is that..?..eh..?) there is ‘quite a lot’..to ‘read into this election’….eh..? only the blind wouldn’t see that…

    8. he ain’t that stupid..he wants labour….without brown….and ..(most important of all/the ‘lynch-pin’…)…with prop-rep..

    9. you rightwing tories just don’t fucken ‘get it’ yet..eh..? your hegemony is over…done…dusted……never again will 30 something percent of you be able to arbitrarily rule over the rest of us here in nz…..and now in britain…the end of ‘your lot’..is nigh…eh..?..and seven more years of ‘major change’ from obama….this tory govt here..is a political oddity……a last hold out…in an ever more ‘progressive’ world…‘the times..they are a changing’ …

    10. when the lab-lib-dem coalition is announced…will dpf end his long silence….and spit the dummy..and vent..? or will he go all stoic..?..and just bite his trembling lip…?..and choke back his tears…? place yr bets…!

    11. the lib-dems are more left than labour…(hold that thought..and let it sink in…ok..?..) so..it must be that any tory/lib-dem coalition wd be that condition you warn against/describe..eh..? but it’s ok..! we understand you are grieving…and need to vent..to search for the ‘why?’….we feel/hear your pain..eh..? as yr greed-driven/class-war-driven hegemony turns to total dust……and forever……eh..?

    12. see…!..and reading between the lines…cameron won’t/can’t give clegg prop-rep….labour can/will…game–set—match.

    13. nah..!..lib-dems/labour..minus brown..and with prop-rep….will win on the day….i haven’t seen one argument against this scenario..that is not riddled with logical flaws.

    14. the forces of progressivism will prevail….the lib-dems and tories..makes as much sense (ideologicaally) ..as the greens and the nats cohabiting here would.

    15. the libs and labour…with or without brown..will rule…..(and labour gets first ‘go’….and the libs are more left than labour..numbnuts..!..)…and with prop-rep firmly on the horizon….is the outcome from this election….how on earth is this a victory for your lot..?

    16. here’s another one in serious denial…you lost..!..numbnuts..! (repeat slowly..!..after me..!..)‘david-cameron-will-not-be-the-next-prime-minister-of-gt-britain’…got that..?that spells ‘defeat’..that’s spelt d-e-f-e-a-t….got that..? (are these people barking…?..or blinded from grief..?..).

    17. do you numbnuts need to hear it from farrar..?..farrar,..!..u had better tell them it is odds-on the next govt of britain will be a lab/lib-dem coalition….with prop-rep on the horizon..go on..!…swallow hard..!..and make the call..!..eh..? put these deluded morons out of their misery…..eh..?

    18. and i repeat..the lib-dems are more left than labour….(and is mainly former labourites pissed-off at labour ’selling-out’ to the evil forces of capitalism..(do you really think the lib-dem members would allow clegg to go with the tories..?not to mention the/most tories think clegg is the devil-personified….and with his prop-rep devils-talk..the biggest challenge to their hegemony..)it’d be like act and the alliance getting together….eh..?.it just won’t happen…

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  10. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Poor poor phil….

    NZ: Labour Out!
    UK: Labour Out!
    OZ: Labor soon to be out.

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  11. Inventory2 (10,436 comments) says:

    Philip Ure’s prediction was bang-on again ..

    .. as usual ..

    eh ..?

    http://www.gotitwrongagain.co.nz

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  12. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Great one Tom Hunter – funniest shit I’ve read in ages.

    10. when the lab-lib-dem coalition is announced…will dpf end his long silence….and spit the dummy..and vent..? or will he go all stoic..?..and just bite his trembling lip…?..and choke back his tears…? place yr bets…!

    So ah Phil um, whats you plan? Spit the dummy and vent, or go all stoic?

    Oh today is going to be Fun! With a capital F even!

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  13. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Bevan,

    You forget that America ousted the last Conservative government in 2008, led by George W Bush – welcoming a steady middle (left) administration led by Obama.

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  14. tom hunter (5,091 comments) says:

    That’s the last Presidential Administration – the ‘government’ also consists of the Congress and the Senate, who have rather important roles that they jealously guard – and they’d been controlled by the Dems for two years by the time Bush left office.

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  15. big bruv (14,160 comments) says:

    You just have to watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkHwU4DRA8&feature=related

    Bolton certainly losses his temper but Campbell gets everything he deserves.

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  16. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (apologies for double-posting…this is on yesterdays’ genthread also..)

    proportional representation was the golden ring/shapeshifter of this election…

    ..and that is done…

    ..and…the tories were expected to be able to rule alone….(hence..’cruise to victory’..)

    …this scenario..a coalition with the lib-dems..and prop-rep on the horizon…posited pre-election…

    ..would have had most tories shuddering in horror…at the very idea…

    ..and..as noted at whoar..it was recalcitrant labour mp’s who killed any progressive coalition…

    ..and..my thesis that an old-school fascist tory govt..a la thatcher..was no longer possible…

    ..still stands…

    ..and the tories have won..at best…some ‘time’…a chance to prove they are ..

    ..as they say..’different’ from that model of boot-on-the-kneck toryism..

    ..and a chance to prove that they could work in a coalition govt…

    ..a prerequisite for their upcoming prop-rep..

    and..the tories have won that ‘time’…

    but they were so ‘hungry’ for it…they have had to clasp to their bosom the devils’-pact..of proportional representation.

    ..and so..are ensuring a party representing only 30-something percent of the population…

    ..won’t be able ‘to do a thatcher’…on the rest of the population..

    and ..’crying’..?..hardly..

    i’ll be watching with fascination..and comment…the heaving and bulging….

    ..as this..untenable at first glance…’beast’ of a coalition-govt…

    ..of parties from opposite ends of the political spectrum…

    ..(a comparison here wd be our tories..teaming up with the alliance…)

    ..try to ‘work’ together..

    ..so the ‘heaving and bulging’ should..in the long term..be lively…

    ..and interesting to watch/comment on..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  17. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    What a great day indeed bevan.

    Come on philu, show your face in this thread.
    There is zero way you can spin this, you were 100% wrong plain and simple

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  18. calendar girl (1,269 comments) says:

    Thanks for the quotes from Phil, Tom. The words were ringing in my ears, and I was about to refer back to them! As prescient as his predictions for Lab/NZF/Grn/MP in 2008.

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  19. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Wow – a fixed term Parliament! We could do with that here, istead of the perennial guessing game that could see an election as early as July next year or as late as December.

    That said, its disappointing that a referendum on AV is the best the Lib-Dems could extract from the Tories on the voting system. Looks like the UK will have an undemocratic electoral system for some years yet.

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  20. big bruv (14,160 comments) says:

    Phool

    Just say you were wrong, it’s not that hard, after all, you have had plenty of practice.

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  21. big bruv (14,160 comments) says:

    Toad

    Only the Greens would think that a referendum was undemocratic.

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  22. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    one of the more interesting comments i’ve seen..aside from labour mp’s killing any possibility of a progressive coalition-deal…

    .. came from a labour identity/mp..

    ..saying this defeat of brown means the end of that tory-lite ‘new-labour’..

    and that the party will be returning to its’ roots/original role in life..

    ..(something our labour party has yet to do/accept…)

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  23. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    bruv, you (deliberately?) misconstrue what I am saying.

    I’m not suggesting a referendum is undemocratic. A referendum is the appropriate way to make significant changes to an electoral system.

    I’m suggesting that the AV system that is proposed as the alternative to FPP in the referendum the LibDems and Tories have agreed to is just as undemocratics as FPP. It can still see parties get a majority of seats in Parliament with as little as 35%-40% of the popular vote. That is undemocratic.

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  24. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and those ‘roots’ are apparantly one of the main reasons so many labour mp’s hate the lib-dems…

    ..the lib-dems aren’t big on statism/unions…and the polluting ways/history of new labour..

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  25. pentwig (240 comments) says:

    Oh phool-

    -Kiwiblogs resident obtuse political commentating troll.

    You got it all totally wrong.

    I knew my parrot was the smarter of the two of you.

    You can now be humble and apoligise to us for putting up with your wrong observations.

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  26. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    philu, I hope UK labour returns to its roots. It will ensure they stay out of power for a long, long time. The Greek economic disease is creeping north and while there’s uncertainty about the cure, 5 more years of Labour-inspired socialism would have poured gas on the UK’s debt fire.

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  27. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Yes philu, thats all very nice, but the fact is you have not yet admitted to your multiple predictions of a “progressive coaltition” being 100% wrong.

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  28. Inventory2 (10,436 comments) says:

    Come on Phil; confession is good for the soul mate. Just say “Sorry fellas; I got it wrong” – it’s not that hard ..eh?

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  29. lastmanstanding (1,303 comments) says:

    I dont see this coalition going the distance. For one the POMs are used to coalitions. Second the Lib Dems wont agree to the cuts the Tories are going to have to make.

    The POMs are used to swallowing dead rats over policy. I give it 12/18 months and then back to the polls Endof Lib dems and back to a 2 horse race

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  30. David Farrar (1,902 comments) says:

    Apart from Phil U once again showing that his level of aggression in his predictions is inversely proportional to their accuracy, he has it wrong again. The referendum will be on an alternative vote system, which is not a proportional representation system. It is more like what Australia uses.

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  31. Repton (769 comments) says:

    Only the Greens would think that a referendum was undemocratic.

    You misunderstood him. Toad thinks that AV is undemocratic, because it’s still not a proportional system (and thus votes don’t count equally).

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  32. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Britain is certainly not use to coalitions, the last one was 70 years ago.

    This is also the first Liberal Democrat and Conservative power-sharing deal at Westminster in history. It will be an interesting watch, lets hope both parties can play their cards right.

    If not, expect to see another election very soon.

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  33. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Guys, give up looking for an apology from phil (aka chemical-eating bacteria). He thrives on criticism and abuse like these microbes thrive on stuff that is toxic to most life forms (we surface-dwellers)

    At the base of this ecosystem present are chemical-eating bacteria who draw on the hydrogen sulphide and methane erupting from the vents to make food.
    “Although those are lethally hostile conditions for surface-dwellers like us, life exists at all depths in the oceans, right down to the bottom of the deepest trenches,” said marine biologist Jon Copley.

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  34. BlairM (2,365 comments) says:

    …and to think Pitt the Younger may have been surpassed by Pitt the Even Younger, but for some questionable voting in the Dunny-on-the-Wold byelection…

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  35. big bruv (14,160 comments) says:

    News reports say that NZ PM Neville Key will talk to David Cameron in the next few days.

    For the sake of the UK I hope that Cameron’s officials do not let him take the call.

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  36. gravedodger (1,571 comments) says:

    Thankyou Tom Hunter for collecting all that manure into one smelly heap and showing me what a towering intellect I miss by just passing by. Would someone alert me and the others who ignore the insane ramblings if he changes his spots and admits he may have made an error. Of course only be notable as it would be something of a milestone. Meanwhile I note he is still shoveling sh*t out of his stable though I am still avoiding it successfully. I only note the shape and the smell.

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  37. Stuart Mackey (337 comments) says:

    BlairM (765) Says:
    May 12th, 2010 at 11:59 am
    …and to think Pitt the Younger may have been surpassed by Pitt the Even Younger, but for some questionable voting in the Dunny-on-the-Wold byelection…
    *********************************

    Which also forced out any aspirations of ‘Pitt the glint in the milkmans eye’ may have had.

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  38. Stuart Mackey (337 comments) says:

    Fale Andrew Lesa (214) Says:
    May 12th, 2010 at 11:48 am
    Britain is certainly not use to coalitions, the last one was 70 years ago.

    This is also the first Liberal Democrat and Conservative power-sharing deal at Westminster in history.
    ****************

    Ahhem..lib/dems are the direct successors of the old liberals, so there is the pre-ww1 government if one wishes to consider the Liberal Unionists.

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  39. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    anyway….this is all just fiddling while rome burns…eh…?

    ..that one green mp has a big burden of responsibility on her shoulders…

    http://whoar.co.nz/2010/george-monbioti-share-their-despair-but-im-not-quite-ready-to-climb-the-dark-mountain/

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  40. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    …and to think Pitt the Younger may have been surpassed by Pitt the Even Younger, but for some questionable voting in the Dunny-on-the-Wold byelection…

    I’m still trying to figure out the other guy got 16,000 votes when there was only one registered voter!

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  41. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    This might help explain it Bevan

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  42. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    :D

    Good point Stuart, although not forgetting that the Liberal Democrat party was formed in 1988 by a merger of the Liberal party and the Social Democratic party.
    There were members from both parties who disagreed with the union and left to form their own party.

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  43. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    This might help explain it Bevan

    No youtube at work d4j. I take it the clip is regarding some formulation of a cunning plan?

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  44. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    so..farrar…tories all happy/clappy about a power-share with the lib-dems..eh..?

    it dosen’t reek of desperation at all..?..’power’..at any price..?

    and before you get too cocky…it was labour mp’s who killed any lab-lib-dem deal…

    ..the tories..for a variety of reasons..are in this fingernails in the cliff-face arrangement…

    ..through default…

    ..and certainly not from any endorsement from the/any majority in the electorate…eh..?

    will you be placing a bet on i-predict…on how long it will last…?

    ‘cos..at any time..the lib-dems can pull the plug…and force a new election…

    all that should really please the hardline-right tories…

    ..eh..?

    and..av is not prop-rep..eh..?

    did anyone tell the lib-dems that…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    [DPF: The only person who gets cocky is you Phil, It is bad enough to be wrong so constantly, but you were the one who was swiping at me with your premature declarations.

    You are getting very good though at coming with excuses for being wrong.]

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  45. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    “’power’..at any price..?”

    I hope the silly party, that is the greens, are destroyed eh phool?

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  46. James Stephenson (2,228 comments) says:

    Bevan – there was an Ivor “Jest Ye Not Madam” Biggun from the “Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party”. He had a bunch of joke policies including the abolition of slavery.

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  47. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..[DPF: The only person who gets cocky is you Phil, It is bad enough to be wrong so constantly..”

    um..!..who has been predicting the torys would wipe the floor with labour…?..since forever…?

    and..’excuses’..?..

    it’s called analysis of what has happened…and the implications…

    ..something yr name0calling/shit-throwing acolytes so excell at..eh..?

    oh look..!..here comes star-bored/w.h.y…eh..?

    i wonder wha t pearl of insight he/she will have for us..eh..?..

    ..and what exactly in that analysis i provided is wrong/incorrect..?

    you mean..the hard-right tories are really all happy/clappy about this ‘deal’..eh..?

    i repeat my question..

    will you be placing a bet at i-predict..on how long this marriage-of-desperation will last..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    [DPF: Phil you really should stop inventing shit. I’d been saying for a couple of months that I thought the Conservatives would be 20 seats short of a majority. They are 21 short. I was in fact spot on.

    And I am very happy to place money at iPredict on how long it will last. I’ve made heaps already off the UK elections. I had $424 on Brown not being rolled before the election, $400 on Labour not winning the most seats and $500 on Cameron becoming PM. I’m happy to put money where my mouth is. It’s much more fun to gain money from being right, than making up excuses for being wrong]

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  48. CJD (333 comments) says:

    This is a dream result for the UK. Here in New Zealand a large conservative party is given direction and backbone by a smaller more dynamic ACT party. So the UK can actually look forward to some real progress for a change, and a policy platform that actually contains policy.

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  49. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..a smaller more dynamic ACT..”

    kinda like a mini-act…?

    both ‘small’…and ‘dynamic’…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  50. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    Nice to see PhilUs prediction record remains unbroken….

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  51. CJD (333 comments) says:

    Always size with you philu-I’m reliably informed that they have operations that may help you be the man you would like to be…

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  52. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    one of the more astute..albeit tinged with bitterness..comments on the coalition-process came from rodney hide..

    ..and was directed at clegg…

    ..hide said that clegg shouldn’t be in a hurry to conclude the process….

    ..’cos this is the time he has the most power..

    and that after the agreement is signed…he will be studiously ignored..by cameron/the tories..

    (see what i mean about ‘ tinged with bitterness’..?..

    ..the ‘bitterness’ of/from experience…eh..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  53. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    The Liberal Democrats have been criticised by Green Party politicians and activists for the terms on which they have agreed a coalition deal with the Conservative Party.

    The Green Party leader Caroline Lucas described the Liberal Democrats as “not the party of change, but the party of changing their mind”. Lucas, who last week became the first Green MP in Britain, made the comments shortly before the LibDems entered a coalition government yesterday evening (11 May).

    She insisted that Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg should hold out for a referendum on proportional representation. But it has now been confirmed that the deal between the Tories and LibDems will limit electoral reform to a referendum on Alternative Vote, a variation on the current non-proportional system.

    Lucas’ warning of the “LibDems’ tendency to backtrack on promises” was echoed by Green and other left-wing activists following the news of the coalition last night. Darren Johnson, one of the Green members of the London Assembly, used Twitter to encourage disgruntled LibDem members to join the Green Party.

    http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/12118

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  54. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    I’m not surprised toad, they are effectively a one-seat party in Britain, and it is highly unlikely that their view will influence public opinion – if anything the people of Britain are probably laughing at this pathetic attempt to undermine the coalition and its potential to govern with stability.

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  55. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    The UK Greens are the Peter Dunne of UK politics.

    Only with less influence.

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  56. CJD (333 comments) says:

    The Greens should stick to doing what they do best: economics, no wait that it isn’t it, sound environmental policy, no wait that is definitely not it! I know they should stick to telling Clegg and everyone else how to run their lives!! THAT”S it!!

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  57. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and..um..!..who didn’t see the economic crash coming…?

    ..untill it was falling on his head/’stuff’ told him..?

    ..who was that again..?

    who was it who laughed/sneered at the predictions/warnings i was posting here..detailing both the reasons..

    ..and the upcoming timelines..etc..?..since 2006..?

    ..who was that again…?

    what’s that you say..?…farrar..?

    and..surely..that was ‘the big one’..as in right/wrong-predictions….for quite some time…?

    ..eh..?

    ..y’know..that one we are still trying to desperately work through..?

    ..brought to us by the corrupt rightwing politicians/thieves in america..eh..?

    ..your lot..eh..?..the republicans…

    ..bush fucked america…and fucked the world-economy…and was a major warmonger…

    ..and you..?..you defended/boosted the whole vile doctrine/movie..

    ..who was that again..?

    you can be quite good on the micro..stats/number-crunching..etc..

    ..but on the macro..the big picture..

    you are either just willfully ideology-driven..or blind…

    ..and have been so so wrong…for so so long..eh..?

    ..why..!..since the mid-zeros..eh..?

    ..and of course..with this one…you just ‘played it safe’..eh..?

    ..and said nothing…

    far easier/safer to be wise after the event..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  58. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    >>Darren Johnson, one of the Green members of the London Assembly, used Twitter to encourage disgruntled LibDem members to join the Green Party.

    What an innovative thinker! Twitter! Using Twitter to tell other people what to do!

    This is innovate, out-of-the-box thinking from the Greens!

    Perhaps they should reflect on why their message, arriving via Twitter or any other channel, has so little resonance with voters, especially when being green is so twendy.

    Well, was. It’s getting kinda passe now, but still….

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  59. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    oh..yeah..and clegg is their winston peters…

    he/his elite.. sold out for the baubles…(deputy prime minister.etc.)

    and i’m picking rank and file lib-dems will be spitting tacks/spewing about this…

    and can someone explain why av is such a dog…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  60. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    >>and..um..!..who didn’t see the economic crash coming…?

    Wow, Phil. Predicting a boom and bust cycle!

    Will there be a boom at sometime in the future? And another bust at some point? And then another boom?

    Clever stuff!

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  61. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    gee peter..you obviously haven’t yet quite grasped the differences between fpp..and mmp..have you..

    ..that the green mp won..under fpp…is a herculean feat…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  62. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @philu 1:50 pm

    Idiot/Savant explains it well here, Phil

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  63. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    gee peter..you really are fucken out-of-touch..aren’t you..?

    are we back in boom-times..are we..?

    ..that ‘unpleasantness’ all done and dusted..?

    ..mmm..??

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  64. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    thanks for that toad..

    ..that just confirms what an opportunistic sellout clegg is….

    ..he had his opportunity..and he blew it….

    ..(farrar has every reason to be smug..i guess..

    it looks like the duopoly will continue…)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  65. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    >>..haven’t yet quite grasped the differences between fpp..and mmp..have you..

    I think I might. Given 5% of a population is insane, yet functional in other respects, they can still get their party into parliament and hold the balance of power.

    Have I missed anything out?

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  66. Peter (1,723 comments) says:

    >>are we back in boom-times..are we..?

    We might be looking at a “W”. We might be flat for a while. We might be climbing out. I don’t pretend to know.

    However, perhaps you’d like to make one of your predictions, and I’ll be sure to bet in the opposite direction.

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  67. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    >>..haven’t yet quite grasped the differences between fpp..and mmp..have you..

    Nor has Peter Shirtcliffe. This really is embarassing – almost as good as Paula Bennett and the two Peter Saunders.

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  68. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    ok..we are deep in the shit…and getting deeper by the day..

    off you go now…!….

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  69. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    Great to see Gordon Brown out on his ass. Another Socialist bites the dust.

    Ha ha ha. :lol:

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  70. CJD (333 comments) says:

    Nine years of the best economic times wasted by Clarkie and her talented bunch of social engineers. We would have been less deep in the shit if Labour had left us something to stand on!

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  71. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    We would have been less deep in the shit if Labour had left us something to stand on!

    Almost no public debt doesn’t count?

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  72. bearhunter (853 comments) says:

    For once in my life I’d like to thank Britain for the wonderful entertainment the election has provided and I can’t wait for the next one. Shouldn’t take too long to happen, either, once the Tories and their English constituencies realise that swapping Labour’s Scottish McMafia for the LibDem version won’t allay the concerns of the shires about undue Scottish influence at Westminster.

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  73. Inventory2 (10,436 comments) says:

    I can’t be assed reading through all Phil’s addled-brain, poorly-punctuated rantings, so can someone tell me; has he admitted that he got it wrong yet?

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  74. CJD (333 comments) says:

    You actually believe that Stephen? I wonder where all that public debt suddenly came from?

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  75. RightNow (7,012 comments) says:

    phlu, you’ve been completely owned by the herb and while you may think you’re comments are witty and even incisive, its increasingly clear that you’re slipping down the slope into psychosis.
    Go and get some help, for your kid’s sake if nothing else.

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  76. Manolo (14,070 comments) says:

    “Go and get some help, for your kid’s sake if nothing else.”

    Don’t give him ideas. Let him descend into final madness. I look forward to that day.

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  77. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Shit Phil/Toad – something tells me you guys cant handle democracy. The public have spoken and the largest and the third largest parties in the UK parliament are trying to put together a coalition – I would have thought you would be celebrating that Clegg and the Lib Dems will be in a position to influence/soften the Tory stance! But not, unless its extreme left, class warfare, fuck the rich socialism – you all aint interested.

    Go cry in the corner. We won, you lost, EAT THAT!

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  78. big bruv (14,160 comments) says:

    Toad

    Given that your party has that certifiable nutter Delahunty as an MP I do not think you should be so quick to point out what might be embarrassing for others.

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  79. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Given 5% of a population is insane, yet functional in other respects, they can still get their party into parliament and hold the balance of power.

    Have I missed anything out?..”

    that’s a bit harsh on ol’ act…isn’t it…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  80. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..you may think you’re comments are witty and even incisive, ..”

    those are your words…i couldn’t possibly comment…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  81. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    dad4justice says:

    This might help explain it Bevan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU

    Classic Monty Python D4J, and the perfect line to summarise phil’s present position:

    Host: And now over to our expert…
    Expert: Well this is exactly as I predicted it would turn out… except the other party won.

    :-D

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  82. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..But not, unless its extreme left, class warfare, fuck the rich socialism – you all aint interested…”

    no…my complaint is that clegg could/should have got a much better prop-rep ‘deal’….

    ..that is my main bitch..

    ..clegg has done a winston peters…and when push came to shove..he bottled it…and clutched for the baubles….

    ..and..i am no fan of old school cloth-cap socialism…

    ..that is looking back..

    ..and there are some..but few..solutions there…

    ..i’d rather look forward…

    ..clegg had a chance to really make a difference..and drag britain ‘forward’..

    ..he blew it…

    end of story…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  83. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Well this is exactly as I predicted it would turn out… except the other party won…”

    that’s quite funny…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  84. kiwi in america (2,511 comments) says:

    right now
    “owned by the herb….” – right on!

    I see phil has wrapped himself up in his usual delusional fantasy that sees the world’s left wing parties winning every election!

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  85. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @Bevan 3:13 pm

    I’m not bemoaning the coalition agreement – as you say it will help to moderate some of the more wingnut policies that the Tories are likely to introduce.

    What I am bemoaning is that the Lib-Dems couldn’t get a referendum on proportional representation, and that all the Tories would offer is one on Alternative Vote, which is little more democratic than the FPP system that produced 23% of the vote but only 8% of the seats for the LibDems.

    Unfortunately, this reflects the Tories (and Labour) making electoral policy purely out of self-interest as the two largest parties, rather than out of any real commitment to making the system more democratic.

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  86. big bruv (14,160 comments) says:

    Toad

    What are the “wingnut” policies that the Tories would want to introduce?

    Do you know or are you just scaremongering as per usual for a Green?

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  87. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    how are you all on latin..?

    mea culpa..mea culpa…mea maxima culpa…

    (will that do..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  88. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..What are the “wingnut” policies that the Tories would want to introduce?..”

    go and read the national party manifesto…

    or…the act one…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  89. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    kiwi in america…!

    “..I see phil has wrapped himself up in his usual delusional fantasy that sees the world’s left wing parties winning every election!..”

    how is that/your predicted mcain/palin presidency working out for you..?..there..kia..?

    shrub/rumsfeld/cheney….still ‘the bees-knees’..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  90. kiwi in america (2,511 comments) says:

    Kind of like Clark’s 4th term huh phil – another one of your MANY failed predictions vs my one

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  91. big bruv (14,160 comments) says:

    Have you admitted you were wrong yet Phool?

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  92. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i take it you don’t understand latin..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  93. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Yeah, I can taste that progressive alliance now. Your predictive skills still have all the credibility of a Labour election manifesto.

    Phillip status:
    [X] Told
    [ ] Not told

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  94. Repton (769 comments) says:

    Shit Phil/Toad – something tells me you guys cant handle democracy.

    Does democracy mean you aren’t allowed to criticise the government?

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  95. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    LOL the Gweens. The one seat party, the voice shouting at the back of the room, the nut not even the Lib Dems will touch. It’ll be fun watching Guido’s co-conspirators tear her apart.

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  96. Visitorfromthebay (7 comments) says:

    Im just a visitor from the Bay….but is there something wrong with this “Philu” character?

    It seems he is totally unable to see that his predictions are all wrong, and that he is not man enought to admit it. Who is this chap? A lefty spin doctor?

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  97. bearhunter (853 comments) says:

    “i take it you don’t understand latin..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)”

    Not sure you do Phil, or are you saying that the Tory victory was as a result of your fault, your fault, your grievous fault?

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  98. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Another notice: Barky called Cameron very rapidly after he became PM. Is The Stupid One going to try rebuilding relations after the clusterbugger that was the last year and a bit?

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  99. Viking2 (11,571 comments) says:

    A teacher asked her class how many of them were Gordon Brown fans.

    Not really knowing what a Gordon Brown fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.

    The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different…again.

    Little Johnny said, ‘Because I’m not a Gordon Brown fan.’

    The teacher asked, ‘Why aren’t you a Gordon Brown fan?’

    Johnny said, ‘Because I’m a Conservative.’

    The teacher asked him why he’s a Conservative.

    Little Johnny answered, ‘Well, my Mum’s a Conservative and my Dad’s a Conservative, so I’m a Conservative.’

    Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, ‘If your Mum was a moron and your Dad was an idiot, what would that make you?’

    Little Johnny replied, ‘A Gordon Brown fan’

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  100. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Lol Viking2 .
    Brown Eye phool.
    It was Latin Helen’s fault.

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  101. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i thought it was ‘most grievous fault’..there..

    ..oh latin scholar…!

    phil9whoar.co.nz)

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  102. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Oh shut up dope scholar.

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  103. starboard (2,551 comments) says:

    ..give it up whore…ya bummed out..ya fuckin loser…go and get some comfort with ya glue bag..BAWHAHAHAHAHA !!!

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  104. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and of course…this govt has no real stability…

    ..the lib-dems could tear it down at any time…

    ..so the chances of it lasting the duration..are slim….

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  105. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Epic damage control from Phillip.

    Either the LDs earn their right to be considered a sensible political party and work constructively with the Tories to sort out the debt, lower taxes and kill off Labour encroachment on civil liberties or they can spit their dummy out, quit early and get trounced by an electorate sick of their shit.

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  106. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    tho’..ya hafta say…

    ..they both gave good speeches…

    ..both brown…and cameron..

    (their finest moments..?…arrival and departure..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  107. Dazzaman (1,146 comments) says:

    Go cry in the corner. We won, you lost, EAT THAT!

    Isn’t that second part Cullens quote…oh wait, I can hear someone say that he didn’t actually say that. Who cares, I like it & it couldn’t be a more fitting byline attributed to a bigger arsehole!

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  108. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Does anyone know how old Shonkey got Cameron’s cellphone number. I mean it’s not like Shonkey is a conservative but I guess Cameron will have to mix it with the socialists now.

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  109. kiwi in america (2,511 comments) says:

    Of course phil had Clegg gone with Labour (lowest vote since 1930) in a rainbow coalition you would be heralding a new era of progressive nirvana and that this marvellous lefty coalition would easy last the distance and so dazzle British voters with the benefits the left have so obviously bequeathed unto Her Majesty’s kingdom that they would be easily re-elected.

    But no – this Tory led coalition will collapse in a heap. It may well do but have the common sense to admit that had Brown’s successor and Clegg tried to cobble together the Scots, Welsh and Irish Nationalists with the token Green that this dog’s breakfast would’ve lasted no more than mere months.

    I’m sure you felt that Obama ushered in a millenium of Democrat/progressive rule in the US and yet in a little over a year he has the lowest 1st term approval ratings in 2 generations and his party is poised to be routed in the mid terms on an epic scale. As Maggie said: the trouble with socialism that in the end you run out of other people’s money. What happens when the Euro zone can no longer cover Greece’s debts (run up by decades of the policies that phil and his ilk proclaim)? Turn to America? The UN?

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  110. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    KIA – I’m watching the Euro debt thing with no small amount of (amateur) interest. Countries that reach a crisis point, like Greece, appear to be getting tough on public spending H/T: tom hunter

    But Yiannis Stournaras, a leading economist and former economic adviser to the ruling socialist party, said a majority of Greeks had lost the will to rebel. After years of profligate spending, he argued, Greece is being forced to make changes that would improve its competitiveness in the longer term.
    “In any other situation the reaction would be fierce, but while the Greek people are angry, there will not be a widespread revolt because they realize that the alternative is for the country to go bankrupt. We have no other choice.”

    Those that aren’t getting tough will have too soon. Like the UK, Spain, Portugal. And NZ!

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  111. kiwi in america (2,511 comments) says:

    Greek leaders recognise that this bailout is likely to be the last injection of OPM (Other People’s Money). German involvement in the bailout is exacting a large political price on Merkel’s government as Germans bridle under their role in this rescue package. Greek public sector unions are powerful and influential and have been the major cause for featherbedding hiring policies, overly excessive public sector pay hikes and excessively generous pension schemes. The cost blow out of the 2004 Olympics was the final straw but with the government sector in Greece fully 50% of their economy, it has strangled the life out of the private sector and so an aging population and dwindling profits from industry but rising entitlements and spending before long led to near bankruptcy.

    As you rightly state, many 1st world economies (where the growth of the the welfare state, excessive govt spending and with national debt are rising to dangerous levels) are headed straight down the Greek path. My point to phil is that he, like so many on the left, opine for the very high tax – high spending policies that, if left unchecked, will lead to eventual sovereign default, economic chaos and social anarchy as we have seen in places like Argentina without some massive debt bailout. The EU, IMF, Federal Reserve and World Bank aren’t big enough to bailout Spain, Portugal and the UK. Greece is lucky that it is in the Euro zone and so could use its membership to almost blackmail fellow EU members into acting.

    If the Greek leaders cant hold the line on this austerity package, look for some very nasty global market reaction.

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