A 9% Nga Puhi tax

June 14th, 2010 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

A Ngapuhi leader is calling for a nine per cent economic development to be levied on everyone living inside the iwi’s boundary as part of its treaty claim.

Matarahurahu hapu chairman said the proposed flat tax rate, which would be administered by the Inland Revenue Department, would “pull Ngapuhi out of a depressed state” and ultimately benefit the entire region.

He would like it to fund social and economic development projects such as aquaculture programmes, and make Ngapuhi as prosperous as iwi like Ngai Tahu and Tainui, which benefit from rich resources in their regions, he said.

Before people get too excited over this, I should point out that David Rankin does not speak for Ngapuhi. He has a long history of saying things which range from the stupid to the even more stupid.

However, there had also been “one or two” members of the Ngapuhi Runanga, who administer the claim, who expressed their strong opposition and threatened to bar Mr Rankin from speaking at Waitangi Tribunal hearings.

So this is clearly not a formal position of the Iwi.

I won’t even bother to speak to the fact that such a tax would never be agreed to. I want to point out the economic stupidity of it.

If you have a 9% tax on economic activity in Northland, that will not help the region – it will kill it. People will leave Northland in their droves if the tax rate in Auckland is 17.5% and in Northland it is 26.5%.

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28 Responses to “A 9% Nga Puhi tax”

  1. Manolo (12,608 comments) says:

    If this the “leader” of tribe, can you imagine the rest? The mind boggles!

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  2. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    Matarahurahu hapu chairman David Rankin ..

    get a job ya slob…

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  3. Mike Readman (353 comments) says:

    There should be a 9% flat tax for Northland – and the rest of the country. A 9% flat tax and nothing else.

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  4. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    John Key says this is absolutely outrageous. The tax should be no more than 7.5%.

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  5. Eddie (295 comments) says:

    Who buys into arguing with idiots like this.

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  6. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    If this is the best that Iwi and Maori leaders can come up with, then it is no wonder that their people languish at the bottom of every soco-economic statistic.

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  7. dime (8,742 comments) says:

    DO IT!!!!!!

    then when northland is totally fucked, i can buy some nice beach front property for a bottle of whiskey and a blanket!!

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  8. trout (865 comments) says:

    I recall that Eva Rickard proposed that there be no Waitangi cash settlement for Tainui because it would be frittered away. She proposed instead a cent in the dollar (or somesuch) on all rates levied on Waikato land giving the tribe a permanent income. A brilliant idea that was run over in the rush to get the cash. Incidentally the cash settlement that was granted Tainui would not buy the sum of houses in the small valley I live in – it was a bargain.

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  9. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    Mr Rankin, do you have such little faith in your people that the only way you can see them advancing is by making other people pay for thier shortcomings?

    If you were a real Maori Leader, how about doing something to encourage the aspirations of your people.

    Instead of the continual moaning about how European colonisation marginalised your people, how about finding a goal for your people to work towards. In Northland there are opportunities for Adventure Tourism, Golf Tourism, Fishing, Farming, Aquaculture, the preservation and restoration of tribal and european history. Where is your imagination, your drive, your aspiration?

    Nope, it’s easier to play the ‘victim’ card and put your hand out for other peoples money.

    Yet when I think of all the potential within maoridom that is locked away and squashed by ‘leaders’ such as this who are unworthy of the name. I am glad it apears Mr Rankin is being marginalised. Maori ‘Leaders’ like this are exactly what Maori in this country do NOT need.

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  10. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Sheer insanity, which indicates a primary-school-level understanding of economics. Ngapuhi should refuse to put up with this loon just because he’s brown, fire the numbskull and get some talent in the job.

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  11. 3-coil (1,182 comments) says:

    Will this proposed new tax replace the locals’ informal “taxing” (ie. armed robbery, beatings, raping etc) of tourists and visitors to the region, or will it be in addition to the existing process?

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  12. wreck1080 (3,519 comments) says:

    Maori economics 101?

    This guy is an embarrassment, hopefully not representative of maori intellectual prowess.

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  13. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    Extremely stupid or just plain cunning, take your pick.

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  14. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Fence off the area and and let them have it all. Turn off the electricity, water and social welfare.

    Let us know when you want to rejoin New Zealand, we have an agreement for you to sign. Its really simple and only has three points, but you will need to pass a test to show you understand the meaning of all three points. Escpecially the first one. We’ve had some trouble with some people saying they were just too simple to understand the meaning of one of the points but cleever enough to make another of the points mean all kinds of things it didn’t.

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  15. Sam Buchanan (498 comments) says:

    “Sheer insanity, which indicates a primary-school-level understanding of economics. ”

    Up their with that Pakeha leader who wants to cut income tax, but raise GST, and fund the defecit by borrowing overseas.

    [DPF: Yeah that raise GST and cut income tax idea which was recommended by the Tax Working Group and pretty much every expert on taxation in NZ. And over the four years the package is revenue neutral so no borrowing]

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  16. Grizz (474 comments) says:

    I recently lived in Northland for a year. Unfortunately a development tax will not solve Northland’s problems. The problem with Nga Puhi is the people themselves. I was amazed how many people there regard some form of meaningful work as an optional extra. Living on a benefit and sponging off charitable organisations, was a lifestyle choice. People made no effort to change from this way of thinking.

    If there was a development tax, the money will end up in the hands of non-iwi connected people and businesses. The Iwi do not have the expertise to develop and possibly even run the businesses they want to create. At best they will want to spend any of the profits that could result. They would do better to have a culture for education and skill development of their people. Sorry, but that means getting off their arses and stopping complaining that they have a crap life.

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  17. LiberalismIsASin (288 comments) says:

    Sam said at 12.05: Up their with that Pakeha leader who wants to cut income tax, but raise GST, and fund the defecit by borrowing overseas.

    Exactly.

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  18. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Why 9%, if the truth being known I suspect Rankin would much rather the level be set at 100%. Just another little commie wantabe dictator.

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  19. Manolo (12,608 comments) says:

    “DPF: Yeah that raise GST and cut income tax idea which was recommended by the Tax Working Group and pretty much every expert on taxation in NZ. And over the four years the package is revenue neutral so no borrowing”

    The defense of the indefensible in the form of cherry-picking, selected borrowings, of the TWG recommendations.
    By the way, you said before your beloved ETS is also revenue-neutral. Do you care to provide the figures?

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  20. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Manolo, if the ETS is revenue-neutral then I’m a hairy horse’s arse.

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  21. Manolo (12,608 comments) says:

    My point, exactly, side show bob.

    The National Party is betraying New Zealand with the ETS and in the process it supporters spread misinformation such as “revenue neutral”. Nick Smith knows full well the damage the ETS will cause to families and industries all over NZ, but he is determined to go ahead implementing it for the sake of being “first”.

    How stupid can he be? The same logic applies to his boss John Key.
    Or do they know something we don’t? Special interests maybe?

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  22. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Manolo I’m picking the pricks are continuing down the ETS path for a couple of reasons. We are borrowing more then 30 million $ a day, how the fuck can Shyster Shonkey and mates ever hope to pay this back let alone the interest. And now these morons have got some dickhead on the Kyoto front bench, how do you think it would look if NZ was to tell them where they can stick their fucking ponzi scheme. Like the Japs, it’s all about saving face.

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  23. ben (2,385 comments) says:

    I would bet good money that exactly this sort of tax will be instituted in the next 20 years. Not at 9%, but 0.5% on either income or GST. The reason is it would be fairly easy to do. A tax at 0.5% would be all but indiscernable to everyone. And it would raise enormous sums.

    One region will do it, then others will follow.

    Then 0.5% will become 0.75%. Then 1%. Then 2, 3, 4 and so on.

    So long as most regions comply (and they will – nobody wants to be the odd one out when it comes to race relations) then tribes get a flow of funds. Once instituted, it will be immediately entrenched. No politician anywhere will be able to undo it.

    This is a really nice example of the power of political organisation in New Zealand. Absent a constitution, it is simply a matter of getting legislation drafted by someone, anyone, and then convincing 61 MPs to vote for your idea. It only has to happen once. Being politically organised tips the politicial benefit/cost calculation in your favour, and staying around for 20 years or more helps too.

    Watch this one happen by 2030.

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  24. Sam Buchanan (498 comments) says:

    “And over the four years the package is revenue neutral so no borrowing”

    I don’t believe it. And when the government’s hand-picked experts applaud their policy, I don’t believe them either (just about every expert in the Soviet Union reckoned their system was great too – that’s how they got to be experts).

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  25. aardvark (417 comments) says:

    Aw… yous fellas are just Maori brashing eh bro?

    Don’t cha know that “work” is just an uvva way for these damned colonists to oppress us in da North?

    Before yous honkies turned up and stole all our land bro, we wuz livin in the lap of lugzury and now weez on the bones of our arses koz you ripped us off bro!

    So, before yous guys start criticizing this cool idea from my cuzzi Rankin, yous should stop and fink for a minute.

    It’s not like wees askin for free KFC (although that would be pretty good), weez just lookin for a bit of cash so weez can buy more stuff for our dope plantations. Hell, sinze the cops raided our favourite garden center we has to pay much more for our lights and hydroponiks man!

    Just fink yourselves lucky we aren’t hassling you bros to pay for the radio frekwensy spektorum (oh bro, I shouldn’t have skipped so many spellink klasses eh bro?).

    Yeah, and we want a tax on this interweb thing too! Every time yous fellas see a yellow stain in the snow this winter, remember that us maoris invented IP so yous guys should be payin us for this inter-thingy. Speaking of P, where’s my crack-pipe — ah, some white bugger probably stole it like they stole our land!

    (All tongue-in-cheek of course)

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  26. MikeMan (171 comments) says:

    Aardvark that was VERY well done :)

    As for this idea it would be a very good way to force down house prices in Northland and maybe we can just build a small wall from coast to coast just above Wellsford.

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  27. david (2,482 comments) says:

    MikeMann would that wall be to keep the “Northlanders” in or the “outlanders” out?

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  28. hj (5,674 comments) says:

    “The pakeha have said, ‘if you impose this tax on us we will leave your communities and it will become a wasteland,’ and I said ‘All well and good, it will become a Ngapuhi homeland,’” he says.
    http://waatea.blogspot.com/

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