Not racist?

August 5th, 2010 at 6:59 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The says MP needs to consider whether his personal feelings are helpful to race relations.

Good to have the HRC comment.

Mr Harawira said in a weekend newspaper interview he would not feel comfortable if one of his seven children brought home a Pakeha partner, and believed many Pakeha would feel the same about Maori.

Race Relations Commissioner said members of the public had contacted the Human Rights Commission about the remarks.

He said Mr Harawira’s comments reflected an “unwelcome prejudice” toward Pakeha, adding that census statistics on babies’ ethnicities contradicted Mr Harawira’s views.

It is prejudice. Especially as it was painted purely negatively towards Pakeha. If Hone had said he prefers his children to date Maori as it helps keeps the Maori culture alive, that would be somewhat different. But he basically said he does not want them dating whiteys – would have no problems with Pacific Islanders.

Maori Party co-leader said the remarks were not racist and probably mirrored the feelings of many people. …

“I think it’s just not divisive at all. It’s a view point.”

Not racist and not divisive?

So if a Caucasian Member of Parliament came out and said that he would not want his children to date Maori or Pacific Islanders, that would not be racist, and that would not be divisive?

I’m very disappointed. If the Maori Party ever talk about prejudice or racism, then their words are going to be rather hollow in future.

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73 Responses to “Not racist?”

  1. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    This Hone chap is an utter disgrace to every uncontrolled kiwi. He rants on about white boys worse than a leader of the KKK does about niggers as some controlled Human Rights Gravy Train leech says nothing is wrong with vile words of hate. Well Hone Hater – call me a white mother f##ker to my face and see what happens you deranged creep. What an insult this wanker is.

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  2. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    disappointed but not surprised. This is what happens when you place one minority on a pedestal, They have special privileges and laws now, so how could they not think like that.

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  3. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Spineless leadership from the MP.

    Joris makes the least robust statements he could in the circumstances.

    All in all it seems that being an anti-whites racist is more acceptable than an anti-browns racist.

    NZ is still a bicultural backwater in some people minds eh Hone.

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  4. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    Show some leadership John Key if you can?

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  5. Niz (5 comments) says:

    Wasn’t it Hone that told us that Maori people _can’t_ be racist, as they’re not the ones with the power? So, white parents not wanting their kids to date Maori… racist. Maori parents not wanting their kids to date whiteys… not racist. Obviously.

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  6. Caleb (479 comments) says:

    Hone is an elected MP. Is he reflecting the views of Maori in his contituency?

    He sure cant speak for Pakeha or the rest of NZ when he says that crap.

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  7. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    HARAWIRI is a racist pig .. fact, he admits it by his words.
    Joris De what’s his name is a disgrace as well .. I made an official complaint about the MOFO comment and I got a thank-you from the clowns Dept ??
    If De what’s his name does not come down on this bloke this time then we are fucked as a country. I’m also disappointed with the racist maori Party and I am now hopeful the Nats let them go to drift into oblivion

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  8. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    oh .. and what must all the Honky MPs who sit in Parliament with him think knowing the Harawira despises all they stand for .. he is a creep. I’m with D4J .. a Liverpool Kiss across his nose is something the likes of harawira would understand if he said it to my/our face

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  9. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Up North, the Maori word for trouble is ‘harawira.’

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  10. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Hate to say this, but De Bres is right. Harawira is a racist — not matter what contortions people who should know better, like Sharples, go through to say otherwise. But sadly, if you believe in free speech you’ve got to defend the right of contemptible bigots like Harawira to open their mouths and spill their rancid guts.

    Meanwhile, I was hoping to make Papa Harawira really “uncomfortable” by introducing a drop dead charming blonde, blue-eyed Aryan stud of my acquaintance to Harawira’s single daughters (I’m no homewrecker) — unfortunately, he’s into Maori men, and his partner’s the jealous type. All suggestions for Plan B gratefully received.

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  11. cabbage (455 comments) says:

    Never really expected anything less from John Hatfield, However I am very dissapointed that the co-leader of an elected political party in a coalition government can freely endorse racism and bigotry with no consequences.

    That disgusts me.

    Perhaps JK has had enough of working with the racist party hence him leaving the door open in regards to working with NZlast.

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  12. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Given that his mother, sister and brother have been convicted and imprisoned for violence, is this the sort of family that Hone regards as a role model?

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  13. tvb (4,425 comments) says:

    One wonders what sort of country we would be living in if Harawera ever got the upper hand and started controlling things. For a start we would all be tenants to a maori landlord. It would be a return to feudalism. There would be widespread prejudice against whtieys. None of this will happen of course. For if push became shove the whiteys will shove back and probably push Harawera and his ilk into the pacific ocean and send them back to the Islands.

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  14. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t want any of my kids to date Maori… who have the names Hawariwa, Sharples or Turia.

    But obviously I’m racist because my skin is a lighter shade than theirs.

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  15. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    Couple of things stand out from me from this report. First of all Hone just reflects what is now the standard radical view on racism. This being there is institutionalised racism which is white Pakeha institutions oppressing people of colour. Therefore it is white people that are racist. Black and brown people cannot be racist because they do not control the institutions of power in society. I think I have got that right? This is how it was related to me back in the 1980s, when it was very radical indeed. Unfortunately this appears to be the mainstream view amongst the chattering classes and in the corridors of government.

    The second thing is what is the point of having a race relations conciliator anyway? Given that he appears to be slapping Hone on the hand with a wet bus ticket, one wonders what point does the office serve? Presumably the office of race relations conciliator and his staff cost the taxpayer hundreds of thousands of dollars, possibly millions of dollars per year. Given the tough economic times isn’t it time to take a hard look at whether we can afford non-core public services such as the office of race relations conciliator?

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  16. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Craig, Hasn’t Hone got any sons?

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  17. Swiftman the infidel (329 comments) says:

    D4J is right on the nature of the problem: ‘Show some leadership John Key if you can?’

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  18. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Swift JK is showing his leadership by going to the islands and getting his ass kicked by a lot of ungratfull pissant atols that only exist by virtue of our tax dollars.

    I would have said ok, cram your aid, see you on the flip side.

    What the hell it has to do with us I don’t know anyway because Bananarama says we’re not even islands or in the Pacific. Apprently we’ve drifted into the Atlantic and didn’t notice.

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  19. JamesP (76 comments) says:

    Hone’s views are the logical endpoint of having a racially selected constituency.

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  20. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    These commissions are a waste of tax payers money and should be scrapped.

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  21. virtualmark (1,528 comments) says:

    Craig I’d have thought Plan B was completely obvious.

    The only thing Hone would hate more than one of his daughter bringing home a white guy would be if one of his sons brought home a white guy.

    Hone’s an equal opportunity bigot.

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  22. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Chris Carter-Harawira?

    I’d PAY to the expression on his face if that happened.

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  23. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    The green party came out with a strongly worded condemnation.

    Sorry, lost the link. :wink:

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  24. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    …but the content of their character.

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  25. Seán (397 comments) says:

    DPF – you are right to highlight this double-standard, in multiple posts now. What I’m interested in is WHY. Why isn’t the same reaction received when a Maori MP presents such prejudice, as opposed to a NZ-European saying the opposite and equal? Why? Has the history of race relations and its influence on culture made us the public biased as well? Does this all make a mockery of the term “equality”? Don’t we claim to be a (or even the most) egalitarian society?

    The focus must go on the public and media reaction, not on honest Hone. It is our (NZ’s) integrity being called to account right now, not the ramblings of a bigot.

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  26. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Because ANY non-Maori expressing such sentiments gets crucified out of the blocks.

    What panty waist PC nappy wetting liberal white guilt nation have you been watching Sean?

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  27. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Seán: bloggers tend to get most exercised when the media ignore an obvious wrong.

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  28. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    @virtualmark: Well, I have heard that Hone doesn’t much like the queers either. Difference is, if he flapped his gums at some of the butch sisters and scary marys I know up north they’d slap the black off the prick.

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  29. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    He has a real problem with Jews too Craig. Also Maori who do not share his radical twisted world view.

    Actually its hard to find anyone he does like. It’s all good, everyone hates him right back.

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  30. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples said the remarks were not racist and probably mirrored the feelings of many people.

    More support of the racist bigot Harawira by the racist bigotted Maori Party.
    In my opinion Sharples and co denying this is racism shows they are just as bad, and JUST AS racist as is Harawira. Why are these people even allowed a voice in our parliament? John Key should push the lot of them out into the political wilderness. And he should ALSO get rid of the equally racist Maori seats while he’s at it.

    Gee I’m getting sick of this “brown men can’t be racist” BS.

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  31. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    Oh for goodness sake. Hone can think and say what he likes and I can make up my own mind about what I think of him. I don’t need a highly-paid public servant to tell me what I should think. Nor do I need to work myself into a lather over whether he is racist or not.
    In my experience, fools say foolish things and we should always pay much more attention to the good and wise among us.
    That would raise the standard of our public converstaion much more than commissioners solemnly and pompously intoning the flipping obvious about racism, broadcasting standards, advertising etc etc.

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  32. trout (939 comments) says:

    You have got to admire the Hawawira political cunning. They keep themselves on the front page; they know that whatever they say will only receive muted criticism from guilty white liberals;and they promote separatism. And of course the Maori Party is a separatist party; the party promotes racist ideals to the disaffected (maori privilege and entitlement, separate development); the more Maori they can convert and cut out of the mainstream the greater their support.

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  33. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Yes trout hes very clever, hes certainly topping the biggest racist ashole demographic.

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  34. Nigel (516 comments) says:

    Hone’s true colours just got exposed perfectly, one day someone will do a documentary on how much money his family have managed to “bludge” off the NZ taxpayer, unlike Nga Tahu who actually run businesses & make something decent, the Hawawira “gang” seem to be experts at milking the system to line their pockets & then complaining how bad Pakeha Govt treats them, hypocrites.

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  35. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    jaba you may find that Hone is a bit of a handful for you in a scrap, he was more than a useful boxer as a teenager
    Dad4justice, you are too old and too small to go a couple of rounds with Hone.

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  36. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    The video at the foot of this post is actually quite true …

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/08/hone-racist.html

    Everyone’s a little bit racist. But Hone Harawira is far, far more racist than most.

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  37. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    Talking of racists with shit for brains…

    Here’s Hori!

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  38. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    The despicable Harawira is just a vile piece if scum. Proof that regardless of colour, thugs and morons like him exist in every race under the Sun.

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  39. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    ..and just one of the reasons I wont be voting national again…they have laid down with these filthy racists dogs and now are covered in fleas themselves…show some fucken balls key and reign the bastard harawira in.

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  40. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    I would kindly advise DPF to speak to his Dear Leader Neville Key and ask him to exert his “considerable influence” with the racist Maori Party to punish the thug harawira.

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  41. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Nefarious a racist, nope dear boy, unlike you I was not bought up hearing I had to marry a woman of my race.

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  42. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I was not bought up hearing I had to marry a woman of my race.”

    What race is that exactly Hori? You pretend to be a Maori, but in actuality, you’re of European and Maori descent. So you’re as much to blame for any perceived racism as anyone you classify as a generic European racist. I think you should just fuck off back to Hawaii where your Maori ancestors came from and leave NZ to the victors.

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  43. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    I think you should just fuck off back to Hawaii where your Maori ancestors came from and leave NZ to the victors.

    …shit , I’ll even pay for the ticket…

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  44. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Hori’s answer Hone isn’t racist cause he can beat you up eh.

    Damn caught out by logic once again.

    Actually starboard its Taiwan.

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  45. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    Both Hone and Joris are racist bigots. Some years ago I and others laid a complaint against de Bres when he compared my grandfather and others to the Taleban.

    We fought the bastard and for our troubles he was made to write a letter of apology which he did with clenched teeth

    Still it was worth it to see the little racist shit squriming.

    If hed been in the private sector he would have been fired and charged with hate speech.

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  46. BeaB (2,123 comments) says:

    Gosh he really brings out the worst in some of you! What power Hone has!

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  47. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    People who speak out against overt racism are “bad” to you are they BeaB?

    Interesting interlect you have there.

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  48. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: I think you should just fuck off back to Hawaii where your Maori ancestors came from

    But by that principle baiter I should f*ck off back to England where my ancestors (yes all of them) came from, leaving New Zealand an unpopulated wilderness. No more people, no more race problems. Beautiful solution you’ve proposed there.

    OR if we’re talking about leaving the country to the Victors, out of consistency at what point exactly should I get on the boat “back home” to old blighty and leave the country to Chinese immigrants? (You should have a yarn with Robert Mapplethorpe on yesterday’s ‘Chinese’ thread about that one.)

    OR we could get over ourselves… Dark girls are hot. White girls are hot. Harawira is an idiot, that is all he is, and I suspect most people already see him as such. The end.

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  49. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    Harawira is an idiot, that is all he is, and I suspect most people already see him as such. The end.

    ..yes but the idiot is in a position of responsibility in the Government of New Zealand and Im paying his wages…he is an employee of mine…he is a public servant yet he is a filty racist with a big mouth. I would have fired his black arse by now if I had the power to do so. He’s dog shit.

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  50. Swiftman the infidel (329 comments) says:

    Harawira is just pissed off his great-great-grandmothers used to wiggle their fine bare asses at Cooks passing fleet in order to bonk a motherfucking whitey sailor.

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  51. Bob R (1,375 comments) says:

    1. What would it take to disband Joris de Bres’ position? Seriously, is there a more overpaid ($400,000 pa) & redundant role? Perhaps Michael Laws & Winston Peters could suggest this (I appreciate National cannot given its white liberal focus).

    2. I’m glad that Harawira made his comments & that Sharples supported him. It reduces any moral authority that the Maori Party may have and reduces their ability to play the race card in future.

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  52. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    Nefarious a racist, nope dear boy, unlike you I was not bought up hearing I had to marry a woman of my race.

    Just to rape what you fancied and move on eh?

    Sorry, was that racist? Twat.

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  53. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Greens on Racism
    1. toad (2295) Says:
    May 30th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    She is right, but in pushing the Foreshore and Seabed Act through, she pandered to the racism she now criticises. The principled thing would have been to make a stand for the rule of law and the right to test ownership in the court, attack the racists who were stirring up trouble (I seem to recall one Nick Smith was at the forefront of that), and try to move the country on from the legacy of colonialism and assimilationist policies.

    Instead, she gave succour to the racists, and the credibility of despicable arseholes like Lhaws, which should be nil, was inadvertently enhanced by Clark.

    That will be her legacy.

    Unfortunately, with Key unilaterally abrogating the Tuhoe settlement, which had been negotiated in good faith by his own Minister Finlayson, he has demonstrated he is no better than Clark. An his “cannibal” reference is in the same league as her “haters and wreckers”.

    I am fearful for race relations in this country, because no Prime Minister seems to be prepared to take a principled stand on Treaty issues and provide the leadership to bring Pakeha New Zealanders with them. The failure to do so is likely to give rise to greater radicalism and agitation by those who have been dispossessed of their property rights.

    Greens (Toad) on Hawariwa:
    jh, I really can’t be bothered with what Hone Harawira said.

    I don’t share his views on that, but like the Chris Carter saga they are a distraction from the real political issues like government attacks on workers and beneficiaries, the denigration of our streams and rivers, the sell-off of our land to foreign investors, the inadequacy of succesive Governments’ responses to climate change, increasing child poverty, and New Zealand’s appalling child abuse statistics – and the inadequacy of our mental health system for that matter. Key reinforced an unfortunate mental health stereotype – Harawira just expressed a personal prejudice that many of us do not share.

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  54. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    I would be happy for my kids to marry a person of maori decent. For one thing, my grandchildren would get a free university education, preferred entry into university and any number of Govt jobs .. hell they could grow up calling themselves Maori Activists and do fk all and get paid by someone?? (taxpayer ultimately).
    re John H being a handy boxer .. maybe 10 years ago but he looks slow these days (maybe arthritis) and I can still run fast (ish)

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  55. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    For fucks sake Red, Hawaii, you dumb bastard the word you do not know is Hawaiki which is a place in the the Marquesas, yes , I know you have never heard of it , no surprise in that.
    Maori came from Hawaii, christ when was history dropped in schools ?

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  56. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    NO WRONG They came from Taiwan.

    Get your DNA checked, it doesn’t alter to suit verbal trradtion aka fairy stories. Learn the fucking difference between HISTORY and MYTHOLOGY.

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  57. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    jaba preferred entry into university for the tanned, I would not rely on that, my idle bloody nephew spent his last year at school chasing women and boozing, the Auckland school of engineering suggested( told him ) it would be a damn good idea for him to redo his last year so his marks would be acceptable.

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  58. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    I sincerely hope they were not white women hori, lest he bring shame on the whanau.

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  59. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Yes Murray, fifteen thousand years ago the forebears of Polynesians left Taiwan and cruised across the Pacific.
    Maori forebears ended up in the Marquesas, but Maori never cruised up to Hawaii and then left there for NZ.
    So that is HISTORY

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  60. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Nefarious of course some were white women, one has a duty to go forth and multiply.
    Rape ? with my good looks, no need dear boy.

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  61. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    As long as the multiplication is costed to the contributing factors and not the state.

    Good looks?? I’d expect your charm, intellect and modesty to do the hard work all on their own.

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  62. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Not only are pakeha not comfortable with their kids bringing Pasifikans to the homeplace but they aren’t even comfortable having them in the workplace.

    I mean how else do you explain a Pasifikan unemployment figure two and a half times the euro average ?…oh thats right we’re lazy, dishonest, drug addicted, violent criminals. Say it often enough and everyone will believe it.

    so DPF, do you still reckon the pakeha majority are soooo enlightened ?…haha when did that happen ?

    seriously, most you guys need to crawl back to them european caves y’all crawled out of and let us get on with it. But you can leave your women cos they loves us. Now quit being so jealous, it’s plain embarassing.

    honestly DPF, the whole ego tripping, rarking up the cracka asses must be quite gratifying. Yeah yeah, you got em all well trained, just whistle hone is a racist and they all bark in unison to distract from how fucking useless Key and co are, but it’s wearing a bit thin *yawn*

    how about blogging about what the gov’t are doing to relieve unemployment for Maori and Pasifikans instead ?

    look, you can fool some people some time but…

    [DPF: You really are a fuckwit if you think attacking one of National's coalition partners is helping National or the Government.

    I know people like you can not conceive there is such a thing as honest opinion, but did you ever consider I am actually offended by what Hone said?]

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  63. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    Winston Peters is Chinese I believe

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  64. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    So from what you are saying pollywog, – not only Hone is a racist, but also he is denying his future grandchildren a better chance of getting a job!

    gee that guy sucks

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  65. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    FWIW

    (And only because no-one here seems to have noticed it – and it was only posted very fleetingly on yahoo Xtra news): One of Hone’s tribal elders (Unfortunately, ame uncalled) , has stated very clearly that the angry one’s grandfather was WHITE and that he was named HATFIELD.

    So much for ‘racial purity’.

    Makes Hone’s statements both sad and silly – and IMHO, completely destroys his credibility.

    BTW, as anyone bothered to check his mother’s genealogical line? Perhaps she’s a ‘Darker Shade of Pale’ as well?

    Perhaps surprisingly, (given his vehemence) Hone hasn’t subsequently made any comment about being ‘outed’ as a ‘Mix and Match’ product – I wonder why?

    As I said, FWIW

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  66. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    pollywog (159) Says:
    August 5th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    Not only are pakeha not comfortable with their kids bringing Pasifikans to the homeplace but they aren’t even comfortable having them in the workplace.

    I mean how else do you explain a Pasifikan unemployment figure two and a half times the euro average ?…oh thats right we’re lazy, dishonest, drug addicted, violent criminals. Say it often enough and everyone will believe it.

    >> No, they are unemployed because they are uneducated and unskilled. A pretty simple equation even for a twat like you to understand.

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  67. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    “Dad4justice, you are too old and too small to go a couple of rounds with Hone.”

    Just back from bush, want to put a few bucks on that grumpyoldhori? Right haymaker sorts the racist bros out real fast.

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  68. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    DPF – did you ever consider I am actually offended by what Hone said?

    …briefly, but i figured you were faking it to pander to your redneck troll base. Just seems like a stock standard National party trick that’s wearing a bit thin.

    So if a Caucasian Member of Parliament came out and said that ‘he would not want his children to date Maori or Pacific Islanders’, that would not be racist, and that would not be divisive?

    if some whitey MP said exactly that, i’d think they were only showing their true colours and saying what many think but dare not say. Twist it how you like, but thats not what Hone said is it ?

    and as for divisive ?…hah succesive gov’ts have done a hell of a lot more divisive things than Hone saying, he wouldn’t initially feel comfortable with his kids bringing home someone from a different culture.

    No, they are unemployed because they are uneducated and unskilled. A pretty simple equation even for a twat like you to understand.

    fuck off you tard… whitey as the majority of business owners would rather hire their own kind first is the simple answer.

    And of course institutional racism and cultural bias has nothing to do with opportunities for education and upskilling does it ?

    jeez you’re as fucking deluded as DPF in thinking most white mofo’s are down with the brown.

    [DPF: Well if you don't credit me with honest beliefs, you can fuck off and find somewhere else to comment]

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  69. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    [DPF: Well if you don't credit me with honest beliefs, you can fuck off and find somewhere else to comment]

    bro…you’re in the business of National party spin. You’re paid to cry wolf, so sorry for not believing everything you write, but what would that make me if i did ?

    just another sycophantic fanboy ? You don’t really want or need another one of those do you ?

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  70. eaglewatch (63 comments) says:

    pollywog…

    You are the without doubt the most misguided sorry sack of arseholes that has ever graced this earth !!!
    You really should go and join Hone and his other mentally challenged fuck-wit cronies in setting an even bigger and shittier example of poor leadership and lack of self control.
    Just like those useless bludging cunts (that you seem to think need help from the government) that cant out of bed in the morning… you need to go and educate yourself you monumentally ignorant fuckjaw.
    So it’s not enough that these people get housing, food (and lets be honest – drugs and alcohol) paid for by the tax-payer ?… the problem is not with what the governemnt is doing… what the fuck are the people themselves doing pollywog ? five eights of fuck all is the rhetorical answer that we all know, the sooner that these loosers drop this sense of entitlement bullshit, grow some fukin nuts, man up (look after their families etc) and take ownership of their own problems the sooner the rest of the country can start to use the money spent on them for better and more constructive things, there is only one or two sentiment that should arise from Maori or Pasifikans around this… SHAME & EMBARRESSMENT !!!
    And by the way – those european caves that you talk about very probably house the remains of the races that the Maori commited genocide against… oh sorry – was that racist ? no not racist, just simple and honest fact… you might want to try a dose of it sometime.

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  71. eaglewatch (63 comments) says:

    pollywog
    “you can fool all the people sometimes but you cant fool all the people all the time”… you are a fool all the time.

    grumpyoldhori
    of course Hone being Maori would make him impervious to any white man fighting him wouldn’t it !!!… a hard man is a hard man whether he is black, white ,red or brown Hori… I struggle to comprehend all your instantaneous refernces to violence in one way or another but rest assured that I’d step up to the plate with John Hatfield if the dickhead was stupid enough to say that shit to me and wanted to make something of it, however – some of us have climbed the evolutionary ladder far enough to enter into civilisation and choose not to lower ourselves to that neanderthol level (I might see you at ther top of the ladder one day ?).

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  72. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    Re instate treason as a hanging offense refusing to pledge allegiance to our government is treason. by by racist Fuckwit

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