Don’t call the terrorists names
October 14th, 2010 at 7:00 am by David FarrarJohn Key announced on Tuesday:
New Zealand has designated a further seven international terrorist groups under the Terrorism Suppression Act, Prime Minister John Key announced today.
The entities are: Indian Mujahideen, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the military wing of Hamas (Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades), the Real Irish Republican Army, the Continuity Irish Republican Army, the New Peoples Army/Communist Party of the Philippines, and Hizbollah’s military wing (The Islamic Resistance).
“These designations help implement our international obligations under United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373, which is aimed at preventing the activities of terrorists,” says Mr Key.
“All seven of the entities have carried out various terrorist acts, including the indiscriminate killing of civilians.
Sounds entirely sensible. I mean who could object to that? No-one right?
I spoke too soon.
Enter the Green Party:
One of my aims, as a Green MP, has been to get New Zealand to specialise in international peacemaking, using Norway as a model.
Norway has used its good offices, and specialist advisers, to sponsor peace talks in Sri Lanka, Sudan, the Middle East, and the Philippines.
It has been able to play this mediating role because it has not declared any of the parties to the talks as terrorist organisations. …
Yesterday John Key followed suit, putting these two organisations on New Zealand’s terrorist list.
He also put six other organisations on the list, including the military wings of Hamas and Hizbollah. This is plain silly, when surely the main task of countries like New Zealand is to encourage peace negotiations between Israel and the governments in Gaza (Hamas) and Lebanon (where the government includes Hizbollah ministers).
Official statement from the Green Party. They are against sanctions (which is what happens when you designate an organisation as a terrorist activity) against terrorists, because calling them terrorists hurts their feelings.
Yep, don’t block access to their bank accounts, don’t try and stop weapons being sold to them. Because you may offend them, by calling them terrorists.
According to Wikipedia the Indian Mujahideen in seven bombings have killed 203 people and injured a further 703. Palestinian Islamic Jihad has killed 211 and injured 605 in around 20 attacks. The Real IRA and Continuity IRA are the lunatics still planting bombs in Ireland and England. Keith commie friends in the Philippines want to replace a democratic state with a Maoist one party state.
It may have escaped Keith’s notice that these organisations are not that keen on peace.
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October 14th, 2010 at 7:08 am
Ah, Comrade Locke; ’nuff said!
But what about the Judean People’s Front and the People’s Front of Judea?
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Israel bad, Palestinians good. It’s very simple once you understand how lefties’ “minds” work.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Soon David your ratepayer dollar will be working hard promoting terrorism thanks to the Green Mayor you just elected in Wellington. Keep your eyes peeled to the sky for Predator drones “bearing gifts”.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Dhimmitude and appeasement (read bend over to the Islamofascits) are terms that come to mind. Further proof that the Luddites are nutters.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:47 am
That’s funny, Key forgot to name this military wing as a terrorist organisation.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:48 am
I don’t see any homegrown terrorists in the list. Oh, that’s right, we apparently don’t have any! Or so says our piss-weak legislation.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Now that we have a Green mayor, Wellington is safe from any terrorist attack. Like Poland in 1939 I guess.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Locke’s idea of peace is the surrender to every aggressive demand no matter how violent or outrageous. if you want peace you have to be prepared to stand and fight for it.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Is anyone else wondering how many terrorists would have even heard of NZ? I don’t imagine we’d be very high on a list of potential negotiators were they to draw one up.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:00 am
PM
The fact that these delightfully photogenic ‘children’ were ‘scavenging for rubble’ to throw at the Israeli soldiers, (as they have been doing for the ast few months, and with their parent’s complete approval), is of course conveniently overlooked an ignored, since after all, why let reality get in the way of such a wonderful, heart-rending story.
Bob Dylan’s ‘Neigbourhood Bully’ (as noted yesterday) is so, so true. You might care to read the lyrics sometime . . .
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:00 am
I know what you mean, I agree as long as the ‘fight for it” is “stand against crap” and not wanton, but it reminds me of the Iraq War Syndrome – forcing a country to be “free”.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:08 am
There are man other groups that Neville Key should have named as terrorists, these groups present a far greater problem to NZ.
Those groups are, Black Power, The Mongrel Mob, Highway 61, the Headhunters, the Killer Bees and so on…
While we should never take our eye off the ball when it comes to international terrorist scum we would be far better to declare an all out war against organised crime here in NZ, the first move should be to make being a member of these gangs illegal and punishable by a term of no less than ten years in prison.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:13 am
Well said Big Bruv!
As for the greens (*sigh*) – ahh bollocks – its too early in the morning to start yelling at the screen.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:27 am
And there you have the fuckwittery of the left with psyco naming the netional army of a democratic nation as terrorists while the peace loving people of palestine who get more aid per captia than any other country in the world continue to target kindergartens with weapons that volate the Geneva Conventions and rules of war get a free pass from him and his Jew hating kind.
Thanks for breaking cover idiot, gets you out where we can see you.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:36 am
He should have named the Green Party, they terrify me
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:40 am
You beat me to it, David.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Deliberate murder of innocent people for the purpose of terrorising and dispiriting their wider population not terrorism if you wear a uniform, Murray? Maybe someone should tell Hamas…
Komata: bloody good throwing arms those buggers have got, being able to do it from outside a 300-meter exclusion zone.
if you want peace you have to be prepared to stand and fight for it.
Yeah, I suspect the Norwegians actually know a bit more about that than you, having had to fight an occupation of their country – unlike non-Maori NZers.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:53 am
“One of my aims, as a Green MP, has been to get New Zealand to specialise in international peacemaking, using ‘Norway’ as a model.”…in one sentence,the Greens demonstrate why they should never be given the keys to power…FFS..”specialise in international peacemaking”…you just got to wonder what the fuck they are smoking in that pipe !.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Everybody remember … the Green Party is Pro War.
Violence is not violence if you murder Jews, according to the Greens.
He continues to refuse to ignore the Hamas racist charter – remember it says to “kill the Jews”. Hamas refuse to recognise Israel, or attend peace talks. The Greens have never condemned them for this (in fact they try to fool us that it isn’t true).
What diplomatic efforts are the Greens doing? Nothing. They are just PRO WAR. Lynch the the neighborhood bully
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/neighborhood-bully
Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
Vote:That he’ll live by the rules that the world makes for him
’Cause there’s a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac
He’s the neighborhood bully
October 14th, 2010 at 9:01 am
By naming the “military wing” of Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorists mean their political wings are not? If so how stupid is that? political or military they’re both terrorists. And people donating money or offering moral support or excusing or rationalising their actions are not too far short of terrorist either.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:01 am
@IV2 Judean People’s Front? SPLITTERS!!
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Our previous Prime Minister always kept an eye on her UN chances by failing to match the Australian extra terrorist list over and above the UN list.
That is in itself is a depleted one in that the OIC holds sway over the naming of Islamic terrorist organisations who are assisted by Zakat from all over the Umma around the globe through their mosques including NZ.
Pscho
Vote:The Norwegians who fought the Nazis are a very different kettle of fish than those today, who aid and abet the Islamics more than they hold them to account. but then you know this don’t you?
October 14th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Lest we forget…Keith Locke supported the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan did he not?
Apparently militay action is ok as long as it fits with Keith’s political persuasions
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:09 am
DPF – Keith Locke is a nutter and I doubt even his colleagues take him seriously. But you have completely made up the bits about offending terrorists or hurting their feelings. A suggestion here. If you are going to make up things, don’t link to the actual article in question. Because it makes it really quick and easy for people to check the original, and then work out that you are making it up.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:14 am
“Green” Party. And this has exactly what to do with the environment?
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:17 am
In fact, if you read the reports of Amnesty International and other human rights agencies, the governments of Israel and The Philippines have been responsible for most of the ‘indiscriminate killing of civilians”.
Well, that takes the cake doesn’t it?
“Peace” organizations find it easier to haste governments than terrorist organizations, so that bias then is spun into “governments do more indiscriminate killing of civilians”.
In fact after one Gaza incident I recall a press release from one of these organisations to the effect that “everything Hamas does is a war crime so we don’t waste time on that”.
That is unbelievably sick, even for Locke. He should simply resign – he’s clearly lost his mind.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:26 am
The Norwegians who fought the Nazis are a very different kettle of fish than those today, who aid and abet the Islamics more than they hold them to account. but then you know this don’t you?
We “know this,” do we? As opposed to holding a fact-free personal opinion on it? We’ve got here one country with experience of the subject, and one with lots of all-mouth-and-trousers self-proclaimed heroes of the struggle against Islam, but not much else. Which one has more credibility?
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Yes, but it all stems from the far-left hating America. Israel’s “sin” is being a US ally and receiving its protection.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:29 am
http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/neighborhood-bully
If this is where you guys turn for insightful political analysis of the Middle East, various mysteries are explained.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Ah, my standard Keith Locke Litmus test!
If he’s for it, I’m against it. if he’s against it, I’m all for it.
So far, I’m batting a thousand!
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Pyscho Milt,
As usual, revert to liberal tactics of smearing any opposition through highly emotive and derogatory personal comments. Basically you accuse everyone here disagreeing you of being superficial, lacking in any insight and incapable of any analysis.
All the while not actually having provided any of your own – and certainly no orginal and personal in-depth analysis. Pretty good on the Control-C, Control-V actions though from what I can tell.
Your type can be sensed miles away. I wouldn’t be surprised if you have said for years that something like “Masters of war” was a deep and insightful piece on the actions of the powerful oppressors and political-military masters.
Same writer , different perspectives. And the perspectives of people like you? Like one of the pieces and it shows how well informed , deep and concerned you are. Like the other and you are superficial and lacking insight – simply because your type don’t like that particular piece.
Wake up to yourself Psycho
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 9:55 am
As the saying goes, every picture tells a thousand stories.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Keith Locke is everything that any thinking person should need to see the total absurdity of the extreme outcome that MMP delivers.
Vote:He is so off the wall that members of his own party, who in their stupidity, have given him a platform that should go no further than a soapbox, wish he would just shut up due to the considerable damage he does to their brand.
He is one of those who are so rigid in their marxist philosophy that pragmatism is a well hidden agenda and they destroy any potential to progress any of their ideals. Ken Douglas is the big contrast within the marxists among us, he can advance the interests of those he represents while maintaining the cloak of communism without trumpeting the absurdities that Locke continues to bathe in. Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Geuverra, Castro, Arafat and so many others who see no sickening, subhuman, destructive reality in the murdered millions. Just consider the enormous damage that Stalin did to Russia’s military in the guise of purification that gave the Nazis such an overwhelming advantage as Barbarossa was launched.
How many millions more would these murderers have to slaughter before the total absurdity of his blind adoration could bring any doubst to his addled brain.
Sadly the very best of what MMP promises is buried as it gives him the opportunity to spout his manure over us.
As a candidate standing for individual election he would, in almost every case lose his deposit and the Green Party are so thick they can’t see the damage his totally off the wall stance does.
October 14th, 2010 at 10:12 am
“Keith commie friends in the Philippines want to replace a democratic state with a Maoist one party state.” – why do we assume that democracy is right for everyone at all times ?
Classifying NZ’s criminal gangs as terrorists sounds a good idea if it would allow them to be dealt with more effectively.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:19 am
John Gibson,
“why do we assume that democracy is right for everyone at all times ? ”
So who gets to decide (in those countries) not to have democracy? The people? Isn’t that democracy?
Or are you supporting thugs taking power by force? (In which case you will also denounce those people who claim that the US action in Iraq was an invasion for them to take control.)
If power can legitimately be taken by force, who decides that the particular coup/revolution/invasion/conquest/usurption/annexation is ok?
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Basically you accuse everyone here disagreeing you of being superficial, lacking in any insight and incapable of any analysis.
Not really – just the ones who think Bob Dylan offers useful insights on the subject.
All the while not actually having provided any of your own
Not really qualified to provide any. Don’t like terrorists, but not willing to take John Key’s word for who is one and who isn’t. Locke’s got a point – if we’re going to start naming organisations that engage in terrorism as terrorist organisations, there’s going to be a lot of other countries’ govts unhappy with us if we’re consistent about it. And if we aren’t going to be consistent abuot it, why bother? Norway’s approach is arguably better than ours.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Norway has about 500 troops in Afghanistan as part of the NATO mission and they are no longer up the rear, safe with the gear.
Norway’s defence ministry said in February 2010 that it would allow some of its soldiers stationed in Afghanistan to go to the south of the country where battles against the Taliban and al Qaeda have been the toughest. Norway had previously resisted pressure from its allies to send its soldiers to the volatile south.
Norway is not the peacekeeping model that some might suggest.
If the war in Afghanistan is wrong and unjust because of civilian casualties, Norway should be in the dock as an accessory to and legitimiser of the principal defendants.
Boots on the ground in Afghanistan does not seem to disqualify Norway from using its good offices, and specialist advisers, to sponsor peace talks in Sri Lanka, Sudan, the Middle East, and the Philippines.
Peace talks start when one side or the other faces defeat or those at home tier of war.
Both parties must want something they cannot get in the field of battle at an acceptable price. If this is not the case, there is nothing to talk about except the terms of surrender by the weaker side.
In civil wars, this is agreement to succession, power sharing, accepting a later inevitable defeat or withdrawal.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Psycho,
On what authority do you claim that Dylan’s view on this (or any other matter he may write about) is any less insightful than your? Which is not to say his is more insightful, or correct but to point out that your opinion on his insight, or lack thereof, does not make it fact.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Psycho,
“If this is where you guys turn for insightful political analysis of the Middle East, various mysteries are explained.”
No. But just lucky that it’s a pretty much 100% accurate description of the state of play? Shall I repost all the lyrics? It doesn’t seem like you can make an argument against the content at all
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Don’t call Overseas Contingency Operators names or they may get upset.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:07 am
People need to stop letting the subversives set the play. The group of communists and Progressives that call themselves the Green party attempt to portray themselves as concerned with environmental issues.
This is a complete lie.
They advocate policies that will in the long run destroy living standards and therefore make caring for the environment more difficult if not impossible. Then they get on left wing terrorist bandwagons as demonstrated by this press release.
Their real objective is the destruction of the capitalist and free market western world.
They should never be called “The Green Party”.
Every time you do this you’re going along with their plan, and you’re endorsing their hypocrisy and deceit.
They are extreme left anti free market anti capitalist communists as Keith Locke typifies. Call them Watermelons, or some other such name, but do not ever give them credit as The Green Party.
Its a propaganda lie.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:37 am
A Sri Lankan mate told me about what people in Sri Lanka think of Norwegian peace negotiators
They were considered to be an absolute joke, the ambassador would even bring his baby to the negotiations.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:39 am
I am living in Ireland, only a week a go the Real IRA let off a bomb in Derry/LondonDerry (don’t ask) in Ireland there has been a peace process which has brought the previously implacable foes together to share power which is a bit like a Perminant Government between Labour and National.
The majority of the people in the north want peace and have gotten peace. The R-IRA and C-IRA are terrorist groups plain and simple. To them the only negotiation which they will enter into would be to negotiate the British withdrawal. This would be a nightmare in the south and north. The north would have a civil war which would rage into the south. One would end up with a rump northern ireland which would be highly agressive to to protect itself from the IRA.
Keith Locke has a good heart but is miss guided. There is already peace in the south and north. Why negotiate with these people except for their unconditional surrender.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:43 am
“Keith Locke has a good heart ”
All evidence points toward this being far from the truth.
Locke is evil, he has no interest in democracy and is hell bent on destroying our society.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Joe90, if anyone uses civilians as shields, it is Palestinians. They set up shop in civilian neighbourhoods and use women and children as shields – it’s well known, and they even admit it. Then when innocents are killed, they film it and point the finger at Israel – it’s a win-win situation for them.
I can direct you to the video clip, if you like.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:46 am
“A Sri Lankan mate told me about what people in Sri Lanka think of Norwegian peace negotiators”
Norway is a basket case. It’s sunken deep into the socialist death grip and the country is only sustained by massive oil revenues. Every stupid leftist excess you could ever imagine is entertained there. Like children who have won Lotto.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:46 am
I’m waiting for Celia Wade-Brown to twin Wellington with Gaza City.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:49 am
ps, it will be people like Locke – the leftist and Politically Correct – who are first up against the wall when Sharia takes over. It happened in 1979 in the Islamist Revolution when the Shah was overthrown in Iran with the support of lefty protesters, who discovered that they were the first against the wall afterward.
People like Locke are quickening the demise of the West, and they’ll be the first come for. Saying, “but we supported you” won’t help any.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Thats because the Green party are pro-war and pro-genocide.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
The Israelis are supposed to be the good guys Fletch but if they want to claim the high ground perhaps they should conduct themselves more like an army and less like the savages that they’re up against.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
joe90, if there is anyone that should be prosecuted for war crimes it is the Palestinians for targeting civilians. You need to read the other side of the story, not these MSM lefty reports. Israel was attacked by neighboring nations in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. They are almost always never the aggressor, but they always get the negative media.
Israel even went so far in the last war to call up the neighbours of houses they were going to attack and dropping flyers. WTF more can they do?
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Norway fought the occupation and gave English a new word……QUISLING……hahaha
The Soviets congratulated Hitler on his assault on Norway
The Norwegians were so anxious not to upset Hitler before the war that they would not cooperate with the Royal Navy in rescuing British sailors from the German vessel Altmark illegally hiding in Norwegian waters.The RN had to force the issue and rescue its men w/o assistance from the Norwegian navy who claimed to have twice searched Altmark when in fact they hadn’t.
The left loves a war,as long as it’s fought by it’s people. Look at how the International Brigades in Spain are constantly dangled in front of us as heroes.
Look at Stalins orders to the British trades unions to stimy Britain during WW2 prior to Hitlers attack on Russia.This treachery should never be forgotten.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
What about that Terrorist Group up in the Urewera’s are they on the CIA’s List.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Good point rakuraku….if they are not on the list they bloody well should be.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Well, we know where Obama stands –
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Rod Donald and Jeanette Fitzsimon were genuine environmentalists. Undoubtedly they held very left leaning views on foreign policy but they were in power primarily to further the environmental cause. Neither were Marxists in my opinion whereas Locke is unashamedly so. With the loss of the more genuine movement Greenies the Green Party caucus is now more dominated by the so-called watermelons.
Locke, like all Marxists, has been on the wrong side of pretty much every foreign policy issue one can imagine. To cite Norway as NZ’s foreign policy model is laughable. How much has Norway helped in Sri Lanka and the Sudan – sfa is my guess.
Key was clear to point out that these designations were part of NZ’s obligation under UNSC 1373. Locke is blind to the truth as to what the designated terror groups have done. Because some of the named groups are part of the wider Palestinian cause then its no wonder the left are getting their knickers in a knot because they don’t want anything to get in the way of “Israel bad – Palestinian group good” propoganda.
The travesty is the tame NZ media who rarely if ever call out Locke on his support for totalitarian regimes. He and his sister Marie Leadbetter have followed faithfully in the footsteps of their Trotskyite parents and have supported Stalin, Mao, the Russian invasion of Afganistan and Pol Pot and always equivocate on that support the few times they are ever confronted.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
The Israelis are supposed to be the good guys Fletch….
Wow, you can do a google search, big woop.
Google “Israel war crimes” = 1,880,000 results
Google “Palestinian war crimes” = 1,950,000 results.
Now here’s a challenge for you, research the prosecution by Israeli courts for IDF soldiers found to have committed war crimes, and I’ll google the same for Palestinians by Palestinian authorities.
Oh wait! I’m done already: Number of Palestinians tried for war crimes by Palestinian authorities = 0
What have you found?
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Nowhere can I find any evidence that Locke opposed calling groups terrorists “because it hurts their feelings”. Farrar would have a bit more credibility if he stopped twisting the truth.
Locke’s simple point is that labelling another party as terrorist seriously reduces your chances of ever establishing peace with them. The Orange order of Northern Ireland eventually reached that conclusion with the IRA……
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
@kiwi in america 1:20 pm
That really does expose your ignorance of political history and ideology.
@Maggie 1:52 pm
Tautoko.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Hi Toad,
What’s your take on Hamas’ charter, perhaps article 7?
“the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”
What is the Green position on this?
Thanks
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Locke’s simple point is that labelling another party as terrorist seriously reduces your chances of ever establishing peace with them.
What makes you think an organization that would send one of their gullible followers into a Nightclub with C4, nails and ball bearings attached to themselves with the sole purpose of killing the civilians attending that establishment would want peace with you?
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
The Orange Order and IRA never made peace.
Maggie might be referring to the N Ire peace process between the govt and various po,litical parties in NI came together to share power in NI
A number of those parties were the political wings of terrorist parties ie Provisional Sinn Fein and PIRA led by Adams and McGuinness. Both men senior figures in the IRA and SF at the same time. every one knows they were terrorists.
They famously declared power thro the ballot box or bomb. Bomb didn’t work,they came to the table,still terrorists though.They mascarade as politicians but hold their communities in fear through bands of thugs. Tony Blair knew he was dealing with terrorists who had British blood on their hands.Many in NI will not forget that.
Many of the thugs do not agree with the current tactic and have broken away to continue with overt terrorism.NI does not have peace, it has an absence of open conflict,for the moment.Significant numbers in each community do not trust each other and will never mix.
The best way of establishing peace with terrorists is by “taking them out”. Sri Lanka is a good recent example.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Why don’t we tidy up our own backyard first.
Headhunters, Mongrel Mob, Filthy Few, and the Asian Drug Syndicates, we need to start taking this drug dealing, manufacturing a little bit more seriously, these low life are feeding off society creating misery and more social problems.
I think the police need to focus on the key issues, rather than bus lane tickets etc.
Preventative action is better than waiting until the horse has bolted.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Toad
Vote:Have Locke come on this blog and tell us his views on Stalin, Mao and the Soviet invasion of Afganistan and how they may have changed from the views of his sister and parents and prove me wrong.
October 14th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
toad,
Still it’s not clear why you are here, since the Green Party secretively censors criticisms on its own blog and voted to criminalise free speech in New Zealand.
Perhaps you’d have more credibility if debate wasn’t so closely monitored and controlled on your own blog? Who knows, if your own blog wasn’t the Internet’s equivalent of a Potemkin village then perhaps you wouldn’t come across as hypocritical lying control-freak when you feel the need to “correct” other people’s posts on sites which do allow freedom of opinion.
Again, remind us why we should vote for a neo-fascist party whose first instinct is to use the power of the state to suppress free speech.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
“Headhunters, Mongrel Mob, Filthy Few, and the Asian Drug Syndicates, we need to start taking this drug dealing, manufacturing a little bit more seriously, these low life are feeding off society creating misery and more social problems.”
You’ve got it all wrong. Its those vile country destroying bastards who use cell phones while driving who need to be targeted. Ask Stephen Joyce.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
“Headhunters, Mongrel Mob, Filthy Few, and the Asian Drug Syndicates, we need to start taking this drug dealing, manufacturing a little bit more seriously, these low life are feeding off society creating misery and more social problems.”
Time to openly arm the police. Gangs have no rights, they need to be eliminated , if necessary with lethal force.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
No, it’s time to end Prohibition.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
@wat dabney 5:11 pm
DPF has a list of banned commenters too – the ones here who can’t come back until 11 September 2032.
If you are on the frogblog “banned” list wat, I suspect you must have been trolling repetitively over there. Either that or said said something very offensive (which I don’t think is you, from what I’ve seen of your comments). There are lots of right wingers still contributing sensibly over there from what I’ve seen.
Don’t accuse frogblog of censorship because trolls get banned – the same happens here. Personally, I think every blog has to set some standards for comments higher than those the law requires – otherwise their comments threads just become puke-fests.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I suspect you must have been trolling repetitively over there. Either that or said said something very offensive
No. That’s a lie.
You know it.
I know it.
Everyone knows it.
The Green Party simply has a policy of secretly suppressing dissent and contrary evidence and opinion. Essentially, anyone who contradicts the statist party line is, axiomatically, a “troll.”
Remind you of anything?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Hi Toad. Would be great if you answer my question from 2:16pm. Thanks
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
TimG_Oz
You need to fast forward into the present, Tim. http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=39345
It’s interesting to note the continued trend to blame the victims, when, in the case of Hamas and Hezbollah, these organisations arose as a result of Israeli occupation. Resistance to occupation is legal, but, of course, targeting civilians is not, which is exactly why the IDF should make the list as well.
As far as war crimes go, one reason Israel is thus far immune from such action is the difficulty that the victim and complainant (The Occupied Palestinian Territories) is not a state. But Israel, of course, as the occupying power, actually has the responsibility to enforce law in the territories it occupies and that is its proper response to terrorism – not collective punishment of innocent civilians.
Once again, the West (even ex-colonies if they are still dominated by the descendants of the colonisers) cannot overcome its colonial past, still hanging on to its fantasy of noble white gentlemen battling against the savage hordes, when the reality is actually somewhat the reverse.
Vote:October 14th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
fletch,
you are correct:
1. Both Protocol I and Article 28 of the Geneva Convention (IV) make clear that the deliberate intermingling of civilians and combatants, designed to create a situation in which any attack against combatants would necessarily entail an excessive number of casualties is a flagrant breach of the Law of International Armed Conflict.
Vote:2. Attacks on civilains neither taking part in hostilities or near military objectives are war crimes by Hamas under various Geneva conventions
October 14th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Oh sorry, Luc, did Hamas actually change their charter? No, they didn’t.
Do Hamas attend peace talks with Israel. No, because they don’t recognise Israel.
Did Hamas actively target civilians purely to disrupt peace talks? Yes they did. They killed 5 civilians, including a pregnant woman and her unborn child.
Interesting to note, that if honest elections are held in Gaza tomorrow, then Hamas would lose. I really like this article – it shows the evil of Hamas. Remember, Hamas are colleagues of the Green Party
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1319157/Gaza-Strip-Lattes-beach-bbqs-dodging-missiles-worlds-biggest-prison-camp.html
Vote:October 15th, 2010 at 3:28 am
TimG
Excellent article by Hitchens – balanced and fair – not trying to let Israel off the hook but it shows an inkling of understanding as to the dilemma Israel finds itself in. Luc will put his hands over his ears and mutter “not listening” as the truth gets in the way of the ‘Israel bad Palestinians good’ meme that the left is so heavily invested in.
All one needs to know about Middle East peace is summed up in Hamas’ and the PA’s immediate refusal to recognize the right of the State of Israel to exist in exchange for the Israelis extending the freeze on settlement construction claiming the offer was racist.
Vote:October 15th, 2010 at 10:56 am
The Israeli apologists come out in force (excuse the pun!). Got your F16s on standby? Your white phosphorous missiles ready to fire into schools and hospitals?
1.
I’m not sure how this is relevant, but it is well known that the charter was drawn up in the shadow of the First Intifada, where Israel replied to stones with an official policy of breaking bones and by killings of Palestinian youths reacting to 20 years of oppressive occupation. It remains in place because it still has support amongst the old guard. Mishal, by his statements, has disowned it.
Has Likud changed its founding policy of never permitting a Palestinan state or even a permanent Arab presence in historic Palestine?
2.
Again, I’m not sure what of the relevance of this. Even Hamas says it is a terrorist organisation, so there is no argument there. My reply would be that if you read outside of Israeli sources, you will find daily attacks on the people of Gaza by Israeli fire or “incursion”. One such incident recently killed a 91 yr old male Palestinian.
My point remains that both sides are guilty of atrocities, but if it was a contest, Israel gets the Gold, Hamas gets a DNF. I fail to understand your objections to truth.
3.
No-one, even Hamas, thought it would win last time. I wouldn’t be so sure. But so what? It would be good for Palestinians to be united again so long as the PLO reverted to supporting its people instead of its Swiss bank accounts.
4. Nothing Hitchens writes could ever be described as fair and balanced. You have been watching too much Fox again, KIA. I watch Fox, at times. I can sort of handle Bill – he has a kind of villainous charm about him, like Batman’s Joker (equally cardboardesque, too) – but you really should spread your intellectual wings.
Try DemocracyNow!
Or Al jazeera.
Robert Fisk, of course, longtime resident of Beirut.
Or read Noam Chomsky.
Even David Cameron’s speeches on his recent ME tour.
Best of all, check out http://www.quimsiyeh.org and join his email list. Have a chat to him.
5.
Putting words in my mouth is not debate. That’s just a straw man. What I say is the the Palestinians cause is just, and a just settlement must be arrived at. The party most at fault in perpetuating conflict is the US. Israel and Palestinians are stuck in their tunnel vision. The US supports one party to the exclusion of the other.
6.
Actually, Hamas is not a party to these negotiations, although it has requested involvement as the representative of the people of Gaza. It is excluded.
And what the PA turned down was a demand to recognise Israel as a Jewish State. This article http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2010/09/201091914540375557.html explains why that demand must always be rejected. And the quid pro quo was pretty stingy, too, so it was never a serious offer and I suspect it was intended as yet another slapdown of Obama.
There has been a comprehensive peace proposal on the table since 2002, and Israel, supported by its paymaster, throws up one obstacle after the other. While I have no doubt that Israel’s current rulers have no intention of allowing a Palestinian state, their only plan is to keep Palestinians oppressed. It’s obvious that all oppression ends eventually, but Israel has no Plan B.
And no, even after over 100 years of ongoing European colonisation, Palestinians are not going to melt away!
Vote:October 16th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Labour should bring back John Tamahere he got booted out of the Labour Party for telling the truth.
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