Matt’s heckler
November 18th, 2010 at 12:00 pm by David FarrarDerek Cheng at the Herald reports:
The mood was jovial until an argument broke out between Mr McCarten and Labour supporter Shane Cheriton.
“I’m an individual who thinks you’re just full of crap,” Mr Cheriton told Mr McCarten.
“Here’s a bunch of trendy liberals who think they can get out with a bunch of slogans and things will happen. No one will vote for you mate, because everyone knows that you’re going to split the vote.”
Mr Cheriton, who said he would vote for Labour on Saturday, traded verbal blows with McCarten’s supporters, while Mr McCarten shot back that Mr Cheriton was doing the Labour Party’s dirty work.
Nice to see Matt getting heckled – he has done enough of it over the years.
But I do wonder if Mr Shane Cheriton, is the same Shane Cheriton mentioned in this Tenancy Tribunal order.
Tags: Matt McCarten, Shane Cheriton
November 18th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
You mean, this place….
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=23+durham+street+porirua&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=78.41823,169.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=23+Durham+St,+Cannons+Creek+5024,+Wellington,+New+Zealand&ll=-41.147743,174.86324&spn=0.002363,0.005158&z=19&layer=c&cbll=-41.147829,174.863233&panoid=vSCwoHKfbE4bIFVu_9ogbw&cbp=12,91.82,,0,0.4
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Yes, I doubt that McCarten is likely to feel aggrieved at being heckled (even though the Labour guy was fairly full-on and kinda nasty). That’s the sort of stuff we need more of in politics – some direct confrontation and debate, especially about policy issues.
Nonetheless the Labour guy’s bizarre attack was probably fairly indicative of how the Labour Party are feeling about having the heat applied to them by McCarten’s campaign. They’re pretty angry (and perhaps confused) that unusually for them, they’re not being allowed to get away without being criticised or held to account from a leftwing perspective.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
I got the impression that that guy wasn’t well.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Shazzadude
Of course he is not well – he thinks socialism works.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
“Here’s a bunch of trendy liberals who think they can get out with a bunch of slogans and things will happen. ”
Um… is he talking about Matt of the labour party?
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
What I find interesting is the grammar in the tenancy tribunal decision. It is awful!
Also I got a followup call from a McCarten staffer about my enquiry regarding the financial transaction tax. She said that the tax will be on ‘non productive’ financial transactions only, and said that excluded purchases such as food, whiteware etc. Which is different to what the man at the markets said.
Again, unfortunately I was in the middle of something at work so forgot to ask her about changes to the personal income tax rates…
I make a very poor agitator….
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Murray
Agree, the tosser is like Winston saying National were all about secret trusts and big business backers…..
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
I love it when when the left go ferral on each other burt.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Was that an angry Irishbill at Matt’s side doing all the finger-pointing? “…She’s a nurse, I’m a delegate!…”
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
… here is my handle here is my spout.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Why would you post that DPF? It’s not that startling and is the kind of post I’d expect to find on The Standard, not here. The guy’s allowed to be a Labour plant and heckle all he wants. It’s a free world, isn’t?
[DPF: When someone is mentioned in the media in a political context, I routinely Google them to see if they happen to be a party office holder etc as that is often relevant info.
In this case what I found was the Tenancy Tribunal decision. The references to strong or abusive language seemed to fit into the story, so I blogged it. The info after all is public.
I often have private info sent to me about individuals in the media. I almost never will blog that, but public official documents are quite different]
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
>No one will vote for you mate, because everyone knows that you’re going to split the vote
I thought it was Faafoi splitting the left wing vote?
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
The following, more recent, Tenancy decision gives a fuller picture of what a filthy pigsty Cheriton left the rental property ($1055 for rubbish removal)
http://www.tenancytribunal.govt.nz/orderPdf.do?orderId=90541&applicationId=10/00171/PO
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
“It’s a free world, isn’t?” Yes and DPF is FREE to post about it. Not seeing your problem Dobbie.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Seems like the tension is building, things are getting a bit tetchy in Tama.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Looking forward to after this by-election, when I’m hoping Kiwiblog will be written by DPF again instead of Jason Ede.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
It’s all a bit creepy DPF, posting things like this, someone opens their mouth at a political meeting and the next day parts of their life are exposed on blog sites.
Creepy.
[DPF: Not at all. All I have done is match a public news report with a public tribunal ruling. I have not dealt with any private information.]
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Who is Jason Ede?
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
The National Party opposition researcher, an advisor to Parata’s campaign, unofficial co-author of Whaleoil and recently, unpleasantly, co-author of Kiwiblog.
[DPF: Oh dear, poor Jason - responsible for both Kiwblog and Whale Oil. Danyl is drinking cool-aid from The Standard. Who do people think I am unable to Google? Also the McDs stuff did not come from Jason]
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Signs there could be a real contest going on in Tama Danyl? A pity about some of the tactics though.
“They did it before” doesn’t wash with me Murray. Things are supposed to be improving.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
THATS creepy? But flying to Oz on a dirt digging expedition is just another day at the office? Realeasing the minutes of a private meeting which don’t actually match any of the participants recolections is illegal but ok if Helen does it?
You need to redefine the meaning of creepy to make it fit here. Anyway you lost me at wah wah wah.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Sorry Murray you seem to be under the mistaken impression I’m somehow responsible for everything anyone from Labour has ever done. I’m not.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Danyl – that’s an allegation, or something that is true? Or a humorous device to indicate that you think DPF is toeing the party line more than he used to?
I actually think that DPF is providing some support for Matt because:
a) He kind of likes Matt’s honesty, even if he doesn’t like his politics. Matt is a genuine lefty who calls it as he sees it. It’s nicer than lefties pretending to be righties – that is hard to differentiate against
b) He thinks it’s funny that Labour is getting attacked from the left
c) He genuinely thinks that Matt would be a better local representative than the Labour guy would
d) He’s a shit stirrer
Those are all legitimate things for a blogger to be doing, and don’t need to show any secretive National party control of the blog. I’ve seen little coverage on here about the National campaign in the electorate – which if he was really sticking the National Party lines, I would have expected to see.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Paul, linking to someone’s seemingly unrelated information on the ‘net seems more like tactics rather than comment. There’s surely a line between jeering and smearing.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
This post does disturb me a little. His house has nothing to do with the issue. But on the other hand if Mr Cheriton is comfortable to grandstand in a highly public forum (it looks like he was fully aware of the cameras) then he should fully expect the blow torch to come on him.
Nobody is innocent and information is so much more readily available.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Seriously…how the fuck can Matt McCarten heckle anybody?
By the time he made his point the meeting would be over.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Who is that pommy union low life who butted into the conversation?
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
The spelling and grammar in that Tenancy Tribunal document is terrible: “Course language”? Jesus.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
It is amazing what a google search can bring up today. It’s even more amazing that somebody who prides himself on not digging dirt will dig dirt on something totally unrelated for no real reason apart from smearing.
Vote:Leave people’s personal lives out of politics except where they’re being blatantly hypocritical. If you don’t, politics will be dominated by a “perfect elite” who have never done anything wrong or who can hide it well.
November 18th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
You could argue that prior form for agressive and abusive does though…
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Who is (s)he?
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Bruv – Joe Carolan, and he’s not a pom, he’s mick. Union lowlife is bang on the money though.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Ah, I see where you’re going. Yes, I was wondering why DPF saw fit to post an unrelated tenancy hearing result.
I don’t see though why someone from the National Party research unit would be looking into this guy – sounds like it’s more like Matt’s guys would have come up with it. Or that DPF just did a google search, and went “hey, look at that.” And then put it on his blog. That’s what bloggers do. Maybe I’m just naive, and there’s a shadowy conspiracy feeding information to DPF for the purposes of helping Matt McCarten, but it wasn’t the first thought that came to mind for me.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
If everyone who wanted to be politically active had to go through the “perfection test” and have no past or skeletons in their closet, nobody would be politically active.
Vote:Leave those people alone, or all politics will become is mudraking, and I suspect the country would become worse for it.
November 18th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Sorry Gazz, but we want to know all the Goss. Every last bit of it. Herr Klark used that tactic very often, and I am amazed that nobody bit back.
There is time though.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
We should encourage as much dissent as we can on the potty “Leftern Front.” Everything I have heard from both Labour and Independents so far has been pretty lame. One would have to be an idiot not to realise that $15 per hour is going to lose jobs. Also the horrible spectre of Hone Harewera joining forces with Matt should get even the most lethargic of voters out there voting for ACT in Mana on the 20th.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Guy – just because Helen did it doesn’t make it right. Helen did lots of things I disagree with.
Vote:Debate the merits of the argument not the merits of the people debating. Or play the ball not the player.
November 18th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
@Guy Fawkes
“I am amazed that nobody bit back.”
WTF? Try living in New Zealand. Helen Clark had it given as good as she gave. Read Absolute Power by Ian Wishart for starters.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Matt McCarten’s proposed ‘transaction tax’ is in reality re-introduced stamp duty aimed specifically at ‘rich-pricks’. There are potential problems, for example if you buy a house, there would be 5 or more transactions each of which would cop Matt’s turnover tax. The total tax would be greater than what the land agent gets.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
I wouldn’t worry too much about the transaction tax – it’s not going to happen.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Yeah I have to laugh about how he’s campaigning to get rid of GST (and replace with this ridiculous transaction tax) and create 3000 jobs in Mana. How is 1 vote in Parliament going to get rid of GST?
And if it’s so easy to create 3000 jobs then a) why doesn’t he do anyway and b) why hasn’t either National now or Labour previously conjured up these jobs out of thin air? Oh I forgot, he’s uber left so he’d just create a whole bunch of extra civil service jobs.
You can make up any old bollox and campaign on it when you know it’s not possibly going to happen.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
This Cheriton fellow is obviously an aggressive little man. It’s one thing to be hotly debating the merits of policy at a public meeting – policy is, after all, one of only two factors that should influence people’s votes (the other being the relative competence of the candidates). It’s another to argue about “who’s more left” and vote splitting.
I’ve got news for you, Shane. Most voters couldn’t give a toss about your precious left (or the right, either). They want candidates who’ll keep their noses out of the trough, not behave like hypocrites, truly represent them, and fight for their best interests. If that upsets the precious left / right balance, they couldn’t care less.
As others have pointed out above, Labour are terrified that they’re no longer getting a free ride without having their “champion of the underdog” posing challenged. If you were truly of the left, you’d realise that’s a good thing.
The emergence of candidates like Matt (and, years back, parties like NZ First) are a direct result of useful idiots like yourself infesting the two main political parties and placing ideology above outcomes. People are waking up to that, and if Labour and (admittedly to a lesser extent) National don’t purge themselves of unthinking lickspittles then their eventual irrelevance will be entirely their own fault.
In short – you’re blaming the little boy for pointing out the fact that your Emperor was exposed as a naked hanger-on to power long ago.
Having said all that, I’m disappointed at DPF’s linking of Cheriton’s background to his political stance. I’ve had disputes with landlords. I’m having one now, over a $22 discrepancy in an electricity account. I’ve been known to swear at people (very rarely) and inanimate objects (quite frequently). None of which, IMHO, disqualifies me from political comment or in any way taints what I say.
About the only time dredging up someone’s past is relevant to their political stance is when it demonstrates hypocrisy. If Mr Cheriton had been berating someone for swearing or being an aggressive jerk, for instance.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Hi Murray, One of one of the things I like about the John Key government is that they tend to play the ball not the man, not resorting to personal attacks on private individuals. Labour doesn’t do that – anyone who disagrees with them or chooses to support another party is fair game and all kinds of crap starts flying.
One of the things I like about this blog is DPF seems to have a high level of integrity too and I wasn’t sure whether posting this document, whether publicly available or not, is consistent with that.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
No-hopers and bludgers mobbing Neville Key: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10688498
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
This sort of shit is brilliant, let the pricks fight each other they are both full of crap. It must be real troubling for the leftys in Mana, bloody hell, who hates the evil rich the most?. Yes, the voting is top shop for the brain dead.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Well, I had a look at that Tenancy Tribunal order.
Here’s a quote: “the tenant used course language.”
What sort of ignorant f***wits have we got running our courts these days?
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Rex W 3672 – (precis) `most people want candidates who will keep their noses out of the trough, not be hypocrites will truly represent them and fight for their interests’.
Not 100% correct Rex but close enough because `most people’ equates to 60/65% of voters and the rest vote Labour or Greens so that they can get all they can from whats left over in the trough.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Ross, I think the judicial officer ment “[of] course language” you know, the kind you would expect from an intellectually stunted leftie.
Vote:November 18th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
So is the Jason Ede conspiracy theory as irrational and mad as the Crosby-Textor one?
And there they go claiming they’re members of the “reality-based community!”
Vote:November 19th, 2010 at 7:48 am
I will no longer be reading kiwiblog because I fail to see how this random guys Tenancy Tribunal order has anything to do with the issue and is pure muck raking. It is the worst kind of politics. And before any of you talk about the fact the left do it, I strongly disagree with it then as well.
Vote:November 19th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Crumble
Cromwell, Otago, New Zealand
Teacher, Unionist, Socialist and all round nice guy
Three strikes ,Crumble pleased you see that you are a nice guy though.
Lets not even get into …worst kind of politics…… break the shovel handle
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