Whale v Frank

November 30th, 2010 at 9:35 pm by David Farrar

Whale has blogged about the Get Frank site, and use of bloggers material.

A number of bloggers back in 2007 gave permission for to to use some of their posts on their site. At least one blogger was told:

as our adver­tis­ing grows we will be offer­ing all con­trib­u­tors the chance to take 50% of all adver­tis­ing rev­enue from their page(s) on a CPM basis.

I was one of those bloggers who gave permission. I can’t recall whether or not my e-mail made any mention of revenue sharing. I suspect I said yes on the grounds of liking to help a new site.

But Get Frank has gone on to be commercially successful, and the Bloggers Union (which is compulsory – like student associations) has been saying that those who provide the content should be getting a share of the revenue, which has been declined. So Whale has gone to war in his normal subtle way.

By coincidence, I had noticed around six months ago that Get Frank were still using my content and I made a mental note to myself to email them at some stage and say I think it is time to stop using my content, especially as I do get advertising revenue on my own site. But it was not a priority so I had not got around to it.

This flare up has been the catalyst for me to do so, and hence the permission has been terminated.

has blogged on this also.

I blog primarily because I enjoy having a say. I do make some “pocket money” from advertising but on an hourly rate it would come to less than the minimum wage. So my motivation is not commercial. But I’d rather increase the money I made from my content, than have others do so, and receive nothing at all myself.

If Get Frank (or anyone) are interested in a commercial relationship in the future, my door is open.

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28 Responses to “Whale v Frank”

  1. homepaddock (429 comments) says:

    “(which is compulsory – like student associations”

    Will membership become voluntary when the VSM Bill is enacted?

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  2. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    Rich Henry should be charged with GBH against the english language. Extract from Whaleoil post:

    “Like a num­ber of off­shore mod­els rather than pub­lish­ing unique to get­frank con­tent our value propo­si­tion and core model is that we offer con­trib­u­tors a free mar­ket­ing tool / plat­form, in which we repub­lish a taste from their full offer­ing to posi­tion our con­trib­u­tors as the expert des­ti­na­tions and for some an added exten­sion to their online voice.

    As dis­cussed last week the page impres­sions that we gen­er­ate for each post in the edi­to­r­ial sec­tion a rev­enue split will be nickle & dime and just chewed up in admin­is­tra­tion, and with fur­ther thought and dis­cus­sion around our model we’re just not going to be able to derive enough value to jus­tify pay­ing a lump sum for that con­tent either.”

    Anyway, what’s this compulsory Bloggers Union nonsense? Is Redbaiter up to date on his dues?

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  3. Cactus Kate (538 comments) says:

    Given the empirical evidence, it is almost certain that Rich didn’t actually come up with that on his own Malcolm.

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  4. Whaleoil (766 comments) says:

    It is compulsory until Student Associations aren’t, then the bloggers union becomes voluntary and on an opt in basis.

    All bloggers, blog readers and blog commenters are automatically members. It’s for your benefit you know. Red baiter is a member, he can’t not be a member it is compulsory. It is for his benefit don’t you know.

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  5. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    CK, no, those two paragraphs are exactly the tortured verbal excreta I recall from the Apprentice. His girlfriend was very flash, IIRC, so all is forgiven. Except “nickle”.

    Thanks WO, now I understand. I expect Redbaiter is a real PITA at the AGM.

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  6. Bazar (37 comments) says:

    Is that some serious tounge and cheek going on, or is there some law i’m unaware of with the bloggers union.

    I’d be ready to laugh at the idea, but theres no sarcasm each time its mentioned, i’m left wondering.
    Blogger’s Union, eh?

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  7. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    Lets be Frank. The 25 year old Apprentice hopeful looks like a prat, talks like a prat, and walks like a prat.

    A Prat by any other name.

    Getting to work with our Tel, must be a real bonus for anyone? Especially those intent on bending IRD and ACC.

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  8. Offshore_Kiwi (557 comments) says:

    Bazar, the Blogger’s Union is real, and membership is compulsory. There are no dues as such, but Clint Heine is the President, Cactus Kate the General Legal Counsel and Whale is in charge of PR and general enforcement.

    You comment on blogs, you’re a member.

    Comrade.

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  9. La Grand Fromage (145 comments) says:

    That Apprentice bell end must be loving Whaleoil for all the traffic he is driving to the Get Frank site.

    I had never heard of them till he had his melt down and went and had a look. Not a bad site and will probably visit regularly and click a few banner ads whilst there.

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  10. Peter (1,468 comments) says:

    Is there an “Fr” where a “W” should be?

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  11. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    All bloggers are equal : but some bloggers are more equal than others. Is Redbaiters blogging gig over at Crusader Rabbit the reason for his absence from this water hole ? Redbaiter being a star at Crusader Rabbit is proof that there is a place of love and acceptance for everyone on the internet.

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  12. somewhatthoughtful (436 comments) says:

    negative publicity is good publicity on the internet in the search stakes. just saying. all this linking is prob doing wonders to his page rank too

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  13. Whaleoil (766 comments) says:

    There is no linking, he doesn’t deserve it. And for The Big Cheese, who is clearly a felch-mate of the thief in question, the site isn’t bad because all the content is provided by others, take all that away and the site would be decidedly empty.

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  14. ch123 (460 comments) says:

    Whale links to all sorts of other sites, but not to GF itself. And nor should he.

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  15. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    So, this Frank chap has a job ?

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  16. Bazar (37 comments) says:

    “Bazar, the Blogger’s Union is real, and membership is compulsory.”

    And how is it compulsory?
    Or is that just something they say so as to reflect a larger audience.

    The biggest question i have is how it differs from student unions…

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  17. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    Bazar, it’s a parody designed as a consciousness raising exercise about the inequity of compulsory student unions. And very well done – it got me thinking.

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  18. RightNow (6,337 comments) says:

    Bazar – you are also free to opt out if you follow the correct process and pay a large administration fee.

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  19. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    Did anyone else see the Irony ?

    This Frank chap, self employed, an entreapaneurthingy, probably paying taxes

    being attacked by

    A Beneficiary

    A Champion of the Right Wing

    and someone who doesnt even live in the same Continent.

    You three will be moaning about his carbon footprint next.

    Good on Ya Frank !!

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  20. dad4justice (7,406 comments) says:

    The Blubber Union for parasites would be a more appropriate name. FFS this is insane.

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  21. Whaleoil (766 comments) says:

    The only parasite is Rich Henry. You know you wouldnt see a cinema staying in business for very long if they didnt pay for the content they use…same applies here.

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  22. John Gibson (295 comments) says:

    I am struggling to see how content from any of the three blogs listed would do this Get Frank chap any good. Surely it would end up just being an incoherent mishmash. Then again having seen the bizarre “eye candy” photographs the guy uses perhaps that makes sense.

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  23. Johnboy (13,384 comments) says:

    Does he steal stuff from Magpie at whoar?

    Won’t take too much of that crap for him to lose his readership. :)

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  24. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    Whaleoil
    I assume this Frank bloke is working and not waking up and hitting the keyboard in a rage which is acceptible (spl, couldnt be fucked) .

    I find it rude, is that he is one of you.except for the fact he, like me, pays your wages

    I know that is wrong comment, wages involves a term of productivity

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  25. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    I betcha this guy gets up at 6am and say “Look at me, im gonna make a difference”

    Judging by your 15 minutes of fame, all I see is a fat blob getting at 11am, blaming everyone else for his own personal issues, ignoring the fact there is a wife who adores him( and for that fact there truely is a god, and she will be the woman of the year for that fact, she is wonderful).

    Your 15 minutes of fame are over

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  26. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    Yes

    I am Frank

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  27. Dirty Rat (504 comments) says:

    i’m fuckg trashe d too

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  28. Spanishbride (3 comments) says:

    Dirty Rat, wonderful wife here.
    If Wo was PAID for his content he WOULD be self employed and no longer a beneficiary which is a key point you have missed in your personal attack.Perhaps you think he should emulate the guy who is ripping him and other content providers off? Get something for nothing and rake in the advertising dollars on the backs of all the unpaid bloggers beavering away for the slim young overlord who chuckles into his latte as he does nothing all day. You seem to admire him after all. How clever to do nothing and get $10,000 a month for it.

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