The Assange case
December 4th, 2010 at 8:12 am by David FarrarRadsoft looks at some deleted tweets from one of the accusers in the Assange case in Sweden.
On 14 August she tweeted about Julian wanting to go to a crayfish party and at 2 am on 15th August she tweeted how she is with some of the world’s coolest smartest people.
It was on the 20th August she went to Police and complained she was molested by Assange on 14 August. The tweets seriously undermine that case.
These tweets have since been deleted but Google Cache has kept them.
They put the case in context:
Julian lives in Anna Ardin’s flat from 11 August until 19-20 August. During this time Julian and Anna have sex. Around 18-19 August Anna gets a call from a woman wanting to speak to Julian. When Anna realises that Julian’s also had consensual sex with this woman, something happens. The two women who are both christians and are connected to the Brotherhood Movement and were at the seminar at the Brotherhood Movement realise immediately that Julian doesn’t have any long term serious intentions with them. They decide after discussing the matter to file complaints against Julian Assange for sexual molestation.
What Assange did is exploitative and sleazy, but it is not a criminal offence to sleep around.
His own son commented on Facebook:
that man does have a way of making a lot of female enemies
which suggests Assange leaves a lot of women feeling exploited by him. But again, that is a long way from suggesting non-consensual sex.
Related posts:
- Assange arrested
- No Right Turn on Assange
- Assange is not a rapist but neither is he a hero
- Nice comparisons – not
December 4th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Swedish law on rape is such that he may well be deemed to have raped them anyway. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1307137/Supporters-dismissed-rape-accusations-WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange–women-involved-tell-different-story.html
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:06 am
I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused. In this case the information being that he was sleazy and exploiting another woman at the same time.
The guy fucks his way around the world, using his giant ego and left wing celebrity to pick up naive idealistic lefty women. Now he is discovering that naive idealistic Swedish lefty women are quite happy to use the liberal feminist-inspired Swedish laws to punish him. There is a certain irony there. Maybe if he was a bit apologetic rather than alleging that these Swedish Christian activists and their Social Democrat lawyer are part of some American government plot then they’d forgive him. But I suspect he actually enjoys the paranoia and it will certainly add to his left wing celebrity status.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:09 am
The problem is that Assange refuses to be interviewed by the Swedish police. He should give them his side of the story before the hit men get him. A signed statement would carry more weight than material being leaked through his toadies on Wikileaks.
If Assange went to Sweden looking for a safe haven he subjected himself to Swedish laws, regardless of how draconian they may appear to him on the definition of rape.
Could DPF’s defence of Assange above parallel an Al Qaeda newsletter editor defending an Islamic refugee to NZ from charges such, as say, bigamy, or at the extreme, stoning a wife to death? “Those infidel legal definitions are the problem.”
The Lefty media is trying to build Assange into a cult secret buster. But there are always limits on freedom of information. If a blogger tapped a country’s nuclear secrets and published them would he be a spy or a hero?
If Assange taps a country’s secrets and this threatens to scuttle its war against fundamentalists protecting terrorists who have attacked that country, is Assange a spy or a journalist? I reckon most juries would find he was a spy.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Assange has made multiple offers to the prosecutors in Sweden to be interviewed, both while he was there and at embassies when he was travelling. Say what you like about anything else, but they were perfectly happy for him to leave the country.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:19 am
I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused. In this case the information being that he was sleazy and exploiting another woman at the same time.
Wouldn’t such a law mean that every sexual encounter is potentially a post-facto case of rape? ‘When we had sex I didn’t know you were raised as a Catholic and I don’t have sex with Catholics, therefore you raped me.’
The problem is that Assange refuses to be interviewed by the Swedish police.
Assange has offered to be interviewed at the Swedish Embassy in London, or to be interviewed with them over the phone or by video conference. The prosecutor has refused.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:33 am
It’s great to see Lefties like Danyl turn on Sweden, a darling state of liberal democrats and social-welfarist nirvana-ists.
Dog-eat-dog at 9.17 reckons:”Assange has made multiple offers to the prosecutors in Sweden to be interviewed.”
Why didn’t the egotistical prick just walk into a Swedish station and make a statement and sign it. They wouldn’t have turned him away if he had made a bona fide approach.
Of course, there’s no publicity in that. (I wouldn’t surprised if Assange had stumbled into a Stockholm station, pretended to be drunk and unruly, mumbling his name. A tired sergeant might have told the strange foreigner to piss off. Assange then could say he tried to give a statement.)
Assange is trying to portray himself as a victim of a couple of feminists acting as tools of the international diplomatic community.
The fact is, he’s engaging in espionage that threatens the security of nations, and democratic ones at that, and is in a heap of trouble, with no way out except, at best, through a prison cell.
The irony is that a Swedish prison would probably be the best safe haven available to him.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:36 am
It’s an interesting proposition. It would make women who act in the same manner also liable to claims of rape
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Wouldn’t such a law mean that every sexual encounter is potentially a post-facto case of rape?
Until 2005, the following were the law in New Zealand:
Not quite the same, but in the ballpark.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Danyl M>Wouldn’t such a law mean that every sexual encounter is potentially a post-facto case of rape? ‘When we had sex I didn’t know you were raised as a Catholic and I don’t have sex with Catholics, therefore you raped me.’
I think that if you knew a person wouldn’t have sex with Catholics and I therefore kept your Catholicism a secret in order to have sex with him/her, then that would be a consent issue.
Obviously these sorts of things can’t be considered if they weren’t known at the time, and your example seems to imply later discovery. I think it is reasonable that Assange would have realised that his sleazy and exploitative behaviour would have influenced the consent decision and should have been disclosed.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Didn’t we have someone just like this a year or so ago. Something to do with protestors and Urewera’s and naive little girls.
Vote:Nothing changes. naive little socilist girls will always fall for types like this with big ego’s. Universities are full of them. Which was also another little issue we had.
December 4th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Fuck, there is a lot of you scrawny little right wingers who are in trouble is there not.
Vote:Stating this is nine inches must come under the fraudulent means
December 4th, 2010 at 10:09 am
I think that if you knew a person wouldn’t have sex with Catholics and I therefore kept your Catholicism a secret in order to have sex with him/her, then that would be a consent issue.
But rape is ‘sex without consent’, not ‘sex with consent but in retrospect I wish I hadn’t consented’.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Danyl M>But rape is ‘sex without consent’, not ‘sex with consent but in retrospect I wish I hadn’t consented’.
It should be ‘sex with informed consent’, not ‘sex with consent obtained by deception’.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 10:24 am
The two women who are both christians and are connected to the Brotherhood Movement and were at the seminar at the Brotherhood Movement
The Brotherhood Movement?
As hookers? Groupies?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Astrange case.
The Swedish Association of Christian Social Democrats (known as “the Brotherhood Movement”) organizes Christian members of the Swedish Social Democratic Party. It has received criticism for its cooperation with various alleged islamist and antisemitic groups and people.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 10:34 am
It should be ‘sex with informed consent’, not ‘sex with consent obtained by deception’.
But as I pointed out earlier that’s an impossible post-facto standard. Surely confidences and deceptions between lovers are a matter of individual responsibility, not the criminal justice system.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 10:51 am
I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused.
Wow by that standard, I’ve been raped many many times! By my ex wife too!
I need therapy! *cries*
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Assange is beginning to sound like an updated Roman Polanski.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 10:56 am
“Fuck, there is a lot of you scrawny little right wingers who are in trouble is there not.
”
Stating this is nine inches must come under the fraudulent means
So you are trying to continuing the myth that Murri’s are hung like a Turkish bayonet then Grumpy?
Sad prick.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 11:07 am
if I was Assange, I would be very afraid of red laser beams and especially the red dot at the end of it .. more accurately, where it ends.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 11:28 am
The guy fucks his way around the world, using his giant ego and left wing celebrity to pick up naive idealistic lefty women.
DavidP: you sound a little bitter —you would rather it be you charging around the world rooting all these ‘naive idealistic lefty women’ (especially busty swedish blondes) eh? You’d die for an upgrade from Mrs Palmer eh?
Reactionaries tend to get less roots (it’s been proven) – the inhuman reactionary mindset correlates with a robotic personality simply unappreciative of the sensual side of human nature. This of course militates against the ability to pick up chicks. Reactionaries are simply unattractive to women— studies have shown this to be the case–just google it.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Hahaha, that would just about sum up 80% or so of my youthful approaches to wooing women. Forbid it that I would have ever told them the truth about just about anything!
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Razor sharp self-awareness there given this comment yesterday
And what was that about embittered…. comrade?
Wah!
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
“Reactionaries tend to get less roots (it’s been proven)”
Thats true Zhumao. In fact I read somewhere that reactionaries get slightly more poontang than a Chinaman with a four inch dick.
Hence the huge oriental market for deer velvet.
Ask Grumpy. He knows all about this.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
“than a Chinaman with a four inch dick.”
Boy, aren’t you given to exaggeration?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
That was after the velvet and the vacuum cleaner Manolo.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Boy, aren’t you given to exaggeration
Swapping gay sex notes eh? Sorry don’t know much about this stuff. Penis size of other men simply does not interest me. hahahhahahhahaaha
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
In all seriousness, it’s an interesting concept. It’s something which which will never work in practice though, because at the end of the day it’ll only come down to he-said she-said situations (“He told me he wasn’t a Catholic” … “No, I didn’t…”)
Yes, it’s up to individuals to navigate relationships and sexual encounters … but some of the sheer lies and deceptions told by some in order to get their end away beggars belief. I do get sick of the “well, she shouldn’t have been so stupid/believed him/slept with him” leveled at women (and men too, though on a lesser scale perhaps) who are used and discarded by masters of deception with selfish motives. I can see how such a law as the Swedish one may seem attractive to some, though damn near impossibly to apply in practice.
I recall reading a book by a private investigator that mentioned a case in which a woman discovered her live-in partner of many years had a wife and several children living in another town, where he travelled each weekend under the guise of having a second job. I can imagine something on that level should perhaps be open to criminal liability. It’s still not exactly rape though, is it … maybe conspiracy.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
That’s what men with small dicks always say.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Does “I’m on the pill” constitute rape of a man?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
“Penis size of other men simply does not interest me. hahahhahahhahaaha”
You are the only Chinaman in the world who isn’t concerned by this genetic ploblem? Oy vay.
I hope your belief is not contagious as it would spell the end of the Lapp Reindeer herders way of life not to mention the deer farming industry in NZ.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
And their connection to the US government who is behind this “conspiracy” is fucking what?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
“You are the only Chinaman in the world who isn’t concerned by this genetic ploblem?”
Unless you are a medical researcher yourself….you must hang round a lot of Hong Kong gay bars to make this claim. Or is it from swapping notes with Manolo during pillow talk…….hahahahahahahahhahahahahaha
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Video of the above maniacal Chinese laughter.
(Makes Ming the merciless look sane).
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Revolutionary or Reactionary. What sounds better? Who do you think the chicks will prefer?
Hahahahahahaha…you guys are just a bunch of virgin ‘hand’ warriors…..hahahaha….or maybe I’m wrong….gays are supposed to get heaps of roots..Manolo, Johnboy, Hunter together in a scrum…hahahahah … the mind boggles…only problem is its a ‘shi fat’ (poo hole) rather than a 阴道(mysterious passage)….yuuuuuuk!
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Greatest lover in history:
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December 4th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Yeah yeah I have to concede some of his offspring were awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PHAwWUx21U
But how the intercourse did he create one like you?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Shit!!!how did you know? Yes. You are right. I’m a direct descendant…..a modern day mighty sower of dragon seed round the globe….simply carrying on the hallowed traditions of my great,great,great,great……..great granddad.
Thanks for the tribute to my illustrious ancestor!
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
“Beyond his great military accomplishments, Genghis Khan also advanced the Mongol Empire in other ways. He decreed the adoption of the Uyghur script as the Mongol Empire’s writing system”
I hope you are keeping your ancestry quiet from your masters in Beijing.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Pics of said psycho xtian bitches?
Vote:F*ck man why would you even go there? Silly bastard.
Maybe if he had nailed both of them at the same time it would be worth all this fallout. Maybe…
December 4th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Of course you’d never dream of doing anything like that eh dave?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
I hope you are keeping your ancestry quiet from your masters in Beijing.
Not at all. China maintains and nurtures all its languages. China is a multinational state.
And Genghis is widely admired.
Chairman Mao (an accomplished poet) wrote ‘Snow’ which mentions his esteem for Genghis.
North country scene:
A hundred leagues locked in ice,
A thousand leagues of whirling snow.
Both sides of the Great Wall
One single white immensity.
The Yellow River’s swift current
Is stilled from end to end.
The mountains dance like silver snakes
And the highlands* charge like wax-hued elephants,
Vying with heaven in stature.
On a fine day, the land,
Clad in white, adorned in red,
Grows more enchanting.
This land so rich in beauty
Has made countless heroes bow in homage.
But alas! Chin Shih-huang and Han Wu-ti
Were lacking in literary grace,
And Tang Tai-tsung and Sung Tai-tsu
Had little poetry in their souls;
And Genghis Khan,
Proud Son of Heaven for a day,
Knew only shooting eagles, bow outstretched
All are past and gone!
For truly great men
Look to this age alone.
Anyway dude, off to collect my paycheck… then gonna hit the Beijing bars (straight ones that is)….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
I knew old Zhumao, sooner or later, would lay some of the smooth lines of his deity on us.
Seems more aimed at tweenies though.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
“Proud Son of Heaven for a day,
Knew only shooting eagles, bow outstretched”
Perhaps your Beijing masters should stick to shooting eagles as well Zhumao instead of shooting Uighurs
Vote:
December 4th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAA0ApV6TsQ
Who is this superhillo?
Hong Kong Phooey, typing quicker than the human eye!
Hong Kong Phooey, more pure than you or I!
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Number one super guy!
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Nothing to do with rape by any intelligent definition, but we’re talking about one of the most politically correct countries in the world so who knows what the fuck goes on there. Funny to see the PC lefties here run a mile from confronting the idiocy of their comrades. They’re probably trying to figure out a way to blame George Bush.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
It’s too late anyway, they can’t stop it. Assange-copiers will proliferate.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Hey Phooey, check out the first foreigner at 16 minutes.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE5MDI0MDMy.html
It’s me.
Yes I stole Chinese gunpowder that led to the downfall of the world via the West.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
RRM>Of course you’d never dream of doing anything like that eh dave?
What does the Mail have to say about one of the lefty chicks:
“In her police statement, Woman B described how, in the wake of the Afghanistan leaks, she saw Assange being interviewed on television and became instantly fascinated – some might even say obsessed. She said she thought him ‘interesting, brave and admirable’. Over the following two weeks she read everything she could find about him on the internet and followed news reports about his activities. She discovered that he would be visiting Sweden to give a seminar, so she emailed the organisers to offer her help. She registered to attend and booked the Saturday off work. She appears to have dressed to catch his eye, in a shocking-pink cashmere jumper.”
To be honest, I prefer my women to be a bit less obsessed. A bit less scary. And a lot more sane. This Swedish woman sounds like a crazier version of the Conchord’s Mel. But unlike Brett and Jemaine, Assange loved the attention.
Also from the same article, I detect a pattern…
“She bought him a travel card for the metro because he said he didn’t have any money.”
“Again she bought his £10 train ticket because he had no cash and said he didn’t want to use his credit card in case his movement was being tracked.”
“But after the event she seemed unruffled enough to go out to buy food for his breakfast.”
“They parted on friendly terms and she bought his train ticket back to Stockholm.”
“Undeterred, she bagged a seat in the front row and was asked to buy a computer cable for Assange. No one bothered to thank her, she later complained.”
Assange is sort of a vagrant Chris Carter, bludging his way around the world.
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
All this talk reminds me of a comment I heard some years ago.
Vote:Question; What is the difference between rape and making love?
Answer; Two minutes.
December 4th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Well, it is the number one female sexual fantasy, apparently. And the majority of females orgasm during rape. But those orgasms don’t count on a universal basis as they weren’t fair.
At least ours, a threesome (two females) and then anal a close second, doesn’t end us up in jail for thought crimes, in most cuntries.
I have done both.
I bet Hong Kong phooey is a virgin.
Those Northern korean girls are So much better!
[DPF: 30 demerits for offensiveness]
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Actually Phooey, you may be right, can you send me a couple of Northern Korean virgins over my way soon?
Vote:December 4th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Hey Zhumao to tell you the truth I have been doing a particularly beautiful and young virginal Communist Party Member up the wong hole lately.
You would love her.
But I was just wondering, should we wave a particular red flag or quote Mao when we are doing it or something?
Like I REALLY don’t want to piss off the CCP.
All advice appreciated.
[DPF: 20 demerits. This is not a forum for trolling]
Vote:December 5th, 2010 at 1:54 am
“I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused. In this case the information being that he was sleazy and exploiting another woman at the same time.”
That is ridiculous to suggest rape can be defined by witholding information. Although I do remember reading about a case where an Arab man was convicted for (I think) rape on the basis the he did not tell the Israeli woman that he was an Arab.
Vote:December 5th, 2010 at 6:40 am
Comrade Zhumao, forget Mao’s dreadful and throw-inducing poetry and concentrate on the deer velvet.
Vote:December 5th, 2010 at 9:22 am
It is fair to assume that Assange is reluctant to go back to Sweden not only because he faces what appears to be a trumped up rape charge but their is a fair chance the Swedes will deliver him up to the Americans.
His chance of a fair trial in the US is about zip.
Vote:December 5th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
It looks like a big game and and Assange will lose.
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