The Assange case

December 4th, 2010 at 8:12 am by David Farrar

Radsoft looks at some deleted tweets from one of the accusers in the Assange case in Sweden.

On 14 August she tweeted about Julian wanting to go to a crayfish party and at 2 am on 15th August she tweeted how she is with some of the world’s coolest smartest people.

It was on the 20th August she went to Police and complained she was molested by Assange on 14 August. The tweets seriously undermine that case.

These tweets have since been deleted but Google Cache has kept them.

They put the case in context:

Julian lives in Anna Ardin’s flat from 11 August until 19-20 August. During this time Julian and Anna have sex. Around 18-19 August Anna gets a call from a woman wanting to speak to Julian. When Anna realises that Julian’s also had consensual sex with this woman, something happens. The two women who are both christians and are connected to the Brotherhood Movement and were at the seminar at the Brotherhood Movement realise immediately that Julian doesn’t have any long term serious intentions with them. They decide after discussing the matter to file complaints against for sexual molestation.

What Assange did is exploitative and sleazy, but it is not a criminal offence to sleep around.

His own son commented on Facebook:

that man does have a way of making a lot of female enemies

which suggests Assange leaves a lot of women feeling exploited by him. But again, that is a long way from suggesting non-consensual sex.

Tags:

58 Responses to “The Assange case”

  1. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    Swedish law on rape is such that he may well be deemed to have raped them anyway. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1307137/Supporters-dismissed-rape-accusations-WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange–women-involved-tell-different-story.html

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  2. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused. In this case the information being that he was sleazy and exploiting another woman at the same time.

    The guy fucks his way around the world, using his giant ego and left wing celebrity to pick up naive idealistic lefty women. Now he is discovering that naive idealistic Swedish lefty women are quite happy to use the liberal feminist-inspired Swedish laws to punish him. There is a certain irony there. Maybe if he was a bit apologetic rather than alleging that these Swedish Christian activists and their Social Democrat lawyer are part of some American government plot then they’d forgive him. But I suspect he actually enjoys the paranoia and it will certainly add to his left wing celebrity status.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  3. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    The problem is that Assange refuses to be interviewed by the Swedish police. He should give them his side of the story before the hit men get him. A signed statement would carry more weight than material being leaked through his toadies on Wikileaks.

    If Assange went to Sweden looking for a safe haven he subjected himself to Swedish laws, regardless of how draconian they may appear to him on the definition of rape.

    Could DPF’s defence of Assange above parallel an Al Qaeda newsletter editor defending an Islamic refugee to NZ from charges such, as say, bigamy, or at the extreme, stoning a wife to death? “Those infidel legal definitions are the problem.”

    The Lefty media is trying to build Assange into a cult secret buster. But there are always limits on freedom of information. If a blogger tapped a country’s nuclear secrets and published them would he be a spy or a hero?

    If Assange taps a country’s secrets and this threatens to scuttle its war against fundamentalists protecting terrorists who have attacked that country, is Assange a spy or a journalist? I reckon most juries would find he was a spy.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  4. dog_eat_dog (780 comments) says:

    Assange has made multiple offers to the prosecutors in Sweden to be interviewed, both while he was there and at embassies when he was travelling. Say what you like about anything else, but they were perfectly happy for him to leave the country.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  5. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,069 comments) says:

    I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused. In this case the information being that he was sleazy and exploiting another woman at the same time.

    Wouldn’t such a law mean that every sexual encounter is potentially a post-facto case of rape? ‘When we had sex I didn’t know you were raised as a Catholic and I don’t have sex with Catholics, therefore you raped me.’

    The problem is that Assange refuses to be interviewed by the Swedish police.

    Assange has offered to be interviewed at the Swedish Embassy in London, or to be interviewed with them over the phone or by video conference. The prosecutor has refused.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  6. Jack5 (5,137 comments) says:

    It’s great to see Lefties like Danyl turn on Sweden, a darling state of liberal democrats and social-welfarist nirvana-ists.

    Dog-eat-dog at 9.17 reckons:”Assange has made multiple offers to the prosecutors in Sweden to be interviewed.”

    Why didn’t the egotistical prick just walk into a Swedish station and make a statement and sign it. They wouldn’t have turned him away if he had made a bona fide approach.

    Of course, there’s no publicity in that. (I wouldn’t surprised if Assange had stumbled into a Stockholm station, pretended to be drunk and unruly, mumbling his name. A tired sergeant might have told the strange foreigner to piss off. Assange then could say he tried to give a statement.)

    Assange is trying to portray himself as a victim of a couple of feminists acting as tools of the international diplomatic community.

    The fact is, he’s engaging in espionage that threatens the security of nations, and democratic ones at that, and is in a heap of trouble, with no way out except, at best, through a prison cell.

    The irony is that a Swedish prison would probably be the best safe haven available to him.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  7. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    It’s an interesting proposition. It would make women who act in the same manner also liable to claims of rape

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  8. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t such a law mean that every sexual encounter is potentially a post-facto case of rape?

    Until 2005, the following were the law in New Zealand:

    136. Conspiracy to induce sexual intercourse
    Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who conspires with any other person by a false representation or by other fraudulent means to induce any woman or girl to have sexual intercourse with any male who is not her husband.

    137 Inducing sexual intercourse under pretence of marriage
    Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who induces any woman or girl to have sexual intercourse with him by a wilfully false representation that they are married.

    Not quite the same, but in the ballpark.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  9. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Danyl M>Wouldn’t such a law mean that every sexual encounter is potentially a post-facto case of rape? ‘When we had sex I didn’t know you were raised as a Catholic and I don’t have sex with Catholics, therefore you raped me.’

    I think that if you knew a person wouldn’t have sex with Catholics and I therefore kept your Catholicism a secret in order to have sex with him/her, then that would be a consent issue.

    Obviously these sorts of things can’t be considered if they weren’t known at the time, and your example seems to imply later discovery. I think it is reasonable that Assange would have realised that his sleazy and exploitative behaviour would have influenced the consent decision and should have been disclosed.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  10. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Didn’t we have someone just like this a year or so ago. Something to do with protestors and Urewera’s and naive little girls.
    Nothing changes. naive little socilist girls will always fall for types like this with big ego’s. Universities are full of them. Which was also another little issue we had.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  11. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Fuck, there is a lot of you scrawny little right wingers who are in trouble is there not.
    Stating this is nine inches must come under the fraudulent means :-)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  12. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,069 comments) says:

    I think that if you knew a person wouldn’t have sex with Catholics and I therefore kept your Catholicism a secret in order to have sex with him/her, then that would be a consent issue.

    But rape is ‘sex without consent’, not ‘sex with consent but in retrospect I wish I hadn’t consented’.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  13. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Danyl M>But rape is ‘sex without consent’, not ‘sex with consent but in retrospect I wish I hadn’t consented’.

    It should be ‘sex with informed consent’, not ‘sex with consent obtained by deception’.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  14. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    The two women who are both christians and are connected to the Brotherhood Movement and were at the seminar at the Brotherhood Movement

    The Brotherhood Movement?

    As hookers? Groupies?

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  15. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Astrange case.

    The Swedish Association of Christian Social Democrats (known as “the Brotherhood Movement”) organizes Christian members of the Swedish Social Democratic Party. It has received criticism for its cooperation with various alleged islamist and antisemitic groups and people.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  16. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,069 comments) says:

    It should be ‘sex with informed consent’, not ‘sex with consent obtained by deception’.

    But as I pointed out earlier that’s an impossible post-facto standard. Surely confidences and deceptions between lovers are a matter of individual responsibility, not the criminal justice system.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  17. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused.

    Wow by that standard, I’ve been raped many many times! By my ex wife too!

    I need therapy! *cries*

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  18. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Assange is beginning to sound like an updated Roman Polanski.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  19. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “Fuck, there is a lot of you scrawny little right wingers who are in trouble is there not.
    Stating this is nine inches must come under the fraudulent means :-)”

    So you are trying to continuing the myth that Murri’s are hung like a Turkish bayonet then Grumpy?

    Sad prick. :)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  20. jaba (2,142 comments) says:

    if I was Assange, I would be very afraid of red laser beams and especially the red dot at the end of it .. more accurately, where it ends.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  21. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    The guy fucks his way around the world, using his giant ego and left wing celebrity to pick up naive idealistic lefty women.

    DavidP: you sound a little bitter —you would rather it be you charging around the world rooting all these ‘naive idealistic lefty women’ (especially busty swedish blondes) eh? You’d die for an upgrade from Mrs Palmer eh?

    Reactionaries tend to get less roots (it’s been proven) – the inhuman reactionary mindset correlates with a robotic personality simply unappreciative of the sensual side of human nature. This of course militates against the ability to pick up chicks. Reactionaries are simply unattractive to women— studies have shown this to be the case–just google it.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  22. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    …by a false representation or by other fraudulent means to induce any woman or girl to have sexual intercourse…

    Hahaha, that would just about sum up 80% or so of my youthful approaches to wooing women. Forbid it that I would have ever told them the truth about just about anything!

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  23. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    ….the inhuman reactionary mindset correlates with a robotic personality…

    Razor sharp self-awareness there given this comment yesterday

    The modern West is contrived, meretricious, and superficial. North Korean girls are way prettier than South Korean girls. They have a purity about them.

    And what was that about embittered…. comrade?

    Although I am unhappy with China’s comments on North Korea of course…

    Look at China now. They may have done away with Mao portraits – but only to be replaced with the Marlboro Man. Brainwashing all the same – in fact a lot worse.

    Wah!

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  24. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “Reactionaries tend to get less roots (it’s been proven)”

    Thats true Zhumao. In fact I read somewhere that reactionaries get slightly more poontang than a Chinaman with a four inch dick.

    Hence the huge oriental market for deer velvet. :)

    Ask Grumpy. He knows all about this. :)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  25. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    “than a Chinaman with a four inch dick.”

    Boy, aren’t you given to exaggeration? :-)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  26. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    That was after the velvet and the vacuum cleaner Manolo. :)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  27. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    Boy, aren’t you given to exaggeration

    Swapping gay sex notes eh? Sorry don’t know much about this stuff. Penis size of other men simply does not interest me. hahahhahahhahaaha

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  28. vendetta (60 comments) says:

    In all seriousness, it’s an interesting concept. It’s something which which will never work in practice though, because at the end of the day it’ll only come down to he-said she-said situations (“He told me he wasn’t a Catholic” … “No, I didn’t…”)

    Yes, it’s up to individuals to navigate relationships and sexual encounters … but some of the sheer lies and deceptions told by some in order to get their end away beggars belief. I do get sick of the “well, she shouldn’t have been so stupid/believed him/slept with him” leveled at women (and men too, though on a lesser scale perhaps) who are used and discarded by masters of deception with selfish motives. I can see how such a law as the Swedish one may seem attractive to some, though damn near impossibly to apply in practice.

    I recall reading a book by a private investigator that mentioned a case in which a woman discovered her live-in partner of many years had a wife and several children living in another town, where he travelled each weekend under the guise of having a second job. I can imagine something on that level should perhaps be open to criminal liability. It’s still not exactly rape though, is it … maybe conspiracy.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  29. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    Penis size of other men simply does not interest me.

    That’s what men with small dicks always say.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  30. redeye (629 comments) says:

    Does “I’m on the pill” constitute rape of a man?

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  31. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “Penis size of other men simply does not interest me. hahahhahahhahaaha”

    You are the only Chinaman in the world who isn’t concerned by this genetic ploblem? Oy vay.

    I hope your belief is not contagious as it would spell the end of the Lapp Reindeer herders way of life not to mention the deer farming industry in NZ.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  32. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    And their connection to the US government who is behind this “conspiracy” is fucking what?

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  33. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    “You are the only Chinaman in the world who isn’t concerned by this genetic ploblem?”

    Unless you are a medical researcher yourself….you must hang round a lot of Hong Kong gay bars to make this claim. Or is it from swapping notes with Manolo during pillow talk…….hahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  34. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Video of the above maniacal Chinese laughter. :)

    (Makes Ming the merciless look sane).

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  35. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    Revolutionary or Reactionary. What sounds better? Who do you think the chicks will prefer?

    Hahahahahahaha…you guys are just a bunch of virgin ‘hand’ warriors…..hahahaha….or maybe I’m wrong….gays are supposed to get heaps of roots..Manolo, Johnboy, Hunter together in a scrum…hahahahah … the mind boggles…only problem is its a ‘shi fat’ (poo hole) rather than a 阴道(mysterious passage)….yuuuuuuk!

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  36. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    Yeah yeah I have to concede some of his offspring were awesome.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PHAwWUx21U

    But how the intercourse did he create one like you? :)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  37. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    Shit!!!how did you know? Yes. You are right. I’m a direct descendant…..a modern day mighty sower of dragon seed round the globe….simply carrying on the hallowed traditions of my great,great,great,great……..great granddad.

    Thanks for the tribute to my illustrious ancestor!

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  38. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “Beyond his great military accomplishments, Genghis Khan also advanced the Mongol Empire in other ways. He decreed the adoption of the Uyghur script as the Mongol Empire’s writing system”

    I hope you are keeping your ancestry quiet from your masters in Beijing. :)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  39. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    The two women who are both christians and are connected to the Brotherhood Movement and were at the seminar at the Brotherhood Movement realise immediately that Julian doesn’t have any long term serious intentions with them.

    Pics of said psycho xtian bitches?
    F*ck man why would you even go there? Silly bastard.
    Maybe if he had nailed both of them at the same time it would be worth all this fallout. Maybe…

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  40. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    davidp says:

    The guy fucks his way around the world, using his giant ego and left wing celebrity to pick up naive idealistic lefty women.

    Of course you’d never dream of doing anything like that eh dave?

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  41. Zhumao (339 comments) says:

    I hope you are keeping your ancestry quiet from your masters in Beijing.

    Not at all. China maintains and nurtures all its languages. China is a multinational state.

    And Genghis is widely admired.

    Chairman Mao (an accomplished poet) wrote ‘Snow’ which mentions his esteem for Genghis.

    North country scene:
    A hundred leagues locked in ice,
    A thousand leagues of whirling snow.
    Both sides of the Great Wall
    One single white immensity.
    The Yellow River’s swift current
    Is stilled from end to end.
    The mountains dance like silver snakes
    And the highlands* charge like wax-hued elephants,
    Vying with heaven in stature.
    On a fine day, the land,
    Clad in white, adorned in red,
    Grows more enchanting.

    This land so rich in beauty
    Has made countless heroes bow in homage.
    But alas! Chin Shih-huang and Han Wu-ti
    Were lacking in literary grace,
    And Tang Tai-tsung and Sung Tai-tsu
    Had little poetry in their souls;
    And Genghis Khan,
    Proud Son of Heaven for a day,
    Knew only shooting eagles, bow outstretched
    All are past and gone!
    For truly great men
    Look to this age alone.

    Anyway dude, off to collect my paycheck… then gonna hit the Beijing bars (straight ones that is)….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  42. tom hunter (4,843 comments) says:

    I knew old Zhumao, sooner or later, would lay some of the smooth lines of his deity on us.

    Seems more aimed at tweenies though.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  43. Johnboy (16,554 comments) says:

    “Proud Son of Heaven for a day,
    Knew only shooting eagles, bow outstretched”

    Perhaps your Beijing masters should stick to shooting eagles as well Zhumao instead of shooting Uighurs

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  44. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Nothing to do with rape by any intelligent definition, but we’re talking about one of the most politically correct countries in the world so who knows what the fuck goes on there. Funny to see the PC lefties here run a mile from confronting the idiocy of their comrades. They’re probably trying to figure out a way to blame George Bush.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  45. reid (16,457 comments) says:

    It’s too late anyway, they can’t stop it. Assange-copiers will proliferate.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  46. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    RRM>Of course you’d never dream of doing anything like that eh dave?

    What does the Mail have to say about one of the lefty chicks:

    “In her police statement, Woman B described how, in the wake of the Afghanistan leaks, she saw Assange being interviewed on television and became instantly fascinated – some might even say obsessed. She said she thought him ‘interesting, brave and admirable’. Over the following two weeks she read everything she could find about him on the internet and followed news reports about his activities. She discovered that he would be visiting Sweden to give a seminar, so she emailed the organisers to offer her help. She registered to attend and booked the Saturday off work. She appears to have dressed to catch his eye, in a shocking-pink cashmere jumper.”

    To be honest, I prefer my women to be a bit less obsessed. A bit less scary. And a lot more sane. This Swedish woman sounds like a crazier version of the Conchord’s Mel. But unlike Brett and Jemaine, Assange loved the attention.

    Also from the same article, I detect a pattern…

    “She bought him a travel card for the metro because he said he didn’t have any money.”

    “Again she bought his £10 train ticket because he had no cash and said he didn’t want to use his credit card in case his movement was being tracked.”

    “But after the event she seemed unruffled enough to go out to buy food for his breakfast.”

    “They parted on friendly terms and she bought his train ticket back to Stockholm.”

    “Undeterred, she bagged a seat in the front row and was asked to buy a computer cable for Assange. No one bothered to thank her, she later complained.”

    Assange is sort of a vagrant Chris Carter, bludging his way around the world.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  47. Tauhei Notts (1,713 comments) says:

    All this talk reminds me of a comment I heard some years ago.
    Question; What is the difference between rape and making love?
    Answer; Two minutes.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  48. swan (665 comments) says:

    “I still think it is worth asking if informed consent can be given if one party withholds information that would lead to consent being refused. In this case the information being that he was sleazy and exploiting another woman at the same time.”

    That is ridiculous to suggest rape can be defined by witholding information. Although I do remember reading about a case where an Arab man was convicted for (I think) rape on the basis the he did not tell the Israeli woman that he was an Arab.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  49. Manolo (13,774 comments) says:

    Comrade Zhumao, forget Mao’s dreadful and throw-inducing poetry and concentrate on the deer velvet. :-)

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  50. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    It is fair to assume that Assange is reluctant to go back to Sweden not only because he faces what appears to be a trumped up rape charge but their is a fair chance the Swedes will deliver him up to the Americans.

    His chance of a fair trial in the US is about zip.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote
  51. Gulag1917 (917 comments) says:

    It looks like a big game and and Assange will lose.

    Vote: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 You need to be logged in to vote