Citing Facebook as support

January 31st, 2011 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

An article in the Herald proclaims “Labour move to save gains wide support”

Now as it so happens, I support Grant Robertson’s bill, and think it probably does have wide support. But what I want to focus on is this segment of the story:

A page – dubbed Mondayise NZ – has called on the Government to make the move.

One post reads: “Crazy. Currently if our NZ national day Waitangi Day falls on a weekend, we don’t get the day off! What’s that about?”

Another said: “Let’s tell the New Zealand Government through a Facebook community [that] we want our public holidays Mondayised!”

If one is going to cite a Facebook group as evidence of wide support, one should cite how many members belong to or “like” the page. In this case, it is 47 people.

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24 Responses to “Citing Facebook as support”

  1. ben (2,379 comments) says:

    This is why I do not trust the media. If at all times they use hyperbole, then it becomes impossible to distinguish actual disasters from media-fabricated ones, and wide support from 47 members on a Facebook group. It is, in essence, dishonest, so what then is the point of viewing it if the effect is to be misled?

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  2. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    i hate when facebook gets cited for anything. like people (mostly chicks) put that much thought into clicking “like”

    i could probably get 10,000 people to supprt a page called “the government should pay for dimes hookers”

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  3. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    I don’t support the bill.

    Robertson: ” Its just not fair”- do piss off whiny labour person.

    ANZAC day is about remembering, not about a day off .

    Do more people attend services if the day falls on a weekday? I don’t think so.

    Totally agree with Dime,Facebook support is just not relevant

    Waitangi Day – Do we all think harder about what a great country we actually have if we have an extra day off? I don’t think so.

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  4. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Maybe not dime, but Facebook pages for “Give me more holidays” or “Give me more money” or Give me free beer” are hardly solid reasons for a mention in “news” articles let alone being taken notice of by the government.

    I’d bet you’d get a few “friends” for “Make every Monday a holiday”.

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  5. noskire (842 comments) says:

    And what about this article about fixed vs. floating rates from Stuff over the weekend. Did the sub-editor actually read the story before settling on the headline? In only the 2nd para, Tony Alexander says to stay floating.

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  6. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    I’d bet you’d get a few “friends” for “Make every Monday a holiday”.

    How about “Beer should be free on Mondays”. That would be a massive his I bet.

    All it needs for some idiot academic to write a study claiming this would reduce inequality somehow and you’d have half the left claiming that *not* doing it is akin to slaughtering the poor.

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  7. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    They are so behind the times this Liarbore cheer leaders group.

    All the Murris at my work on having a traditional Wainotgetonit weekend always make the Monday a holiday.

    Us Pakeha’s is catching on too….. eh bro! :)

    Slow learners….eh?

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  8. double d (225 comments) says:

    OK dime – give me the link and i will support your crusade …..

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  9. Exclamation Mark (85 comments) says:

    Some Facebook group numbers for you all to ponder:

    ‘Mondayise New Zealand': 105
    ‘Save Radio NZ': 29,894
    ‘Bring back Paul Henry NOW': 40,660
    ‘Bring back Georgie Pie': 41,992

    Quit while you are well behind.

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  10. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    Did they cite the Keep it 18 page (17,401 people “like” it at present) on Facebook in their campaigns about alcohol as well? Although why a newspaper would be campaigning on an issue instead of providing a set of facts and analysis of these facts, I don’t know. (Yes, such analysis will be through some perspective be it conservative or liberal – but there is a difference between a campaign and an analysis of facts through a perspective).

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  11. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    EM: You missed out.

    ‘Bring back exciting sex': 450,670,376,345,123,379,276,400,000,000,000,000,000,001.

    I was the 1. :)

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  12. excusesofpuppets (132 comments) says:

    While I agree with what you have said, I reserve my judgement until there is a Facebook group supporting a National proposal/bill, and its support is endorsed or merely unacknowledged by you.

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  13. Hollyfield (69 comments) says:

    I work in a school, and Anzac Day and Easter usually fall in the school holidays. I never get an extra day off to compensate. Labour should introduce a bill giving three days holidays (Anzac Day, Easter Friday, Easter Monday) at the start of term 2.

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  14. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    If you actually WORK in a school Hollyfield you must be a caretaker or office support person. :)

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  15. Anthony (796 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t this be a perfect time to roll back some of the excessive remuneration compulsory for stat days. Like we’ll Mondayise these holidays but in return will reduce the minimum penal rate for stat days to time and a quarter and make holidays as per the relevant contract.

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  16. Hollyfield (69 comments) says:

    Ha ha Johnboy, you’re right.
    Support National Standards, too. But I don’t say that too often in the staffroom!

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  17. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Pays not to upset the bleating flock too much Hollyfield.

    Best to keep them in prime condition till the stock trucks arrive for them! :)

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  18. Hagues (703 comments) says:

    “But today is the last public holiday until Easter Monday, on April 25.”

    Are these people mentally retarded? Waitangi Day is still a public holiday even though it falls on a Sunday. So too is Easter Friday coming in 3 days before Easter Monday. Epic Fail.

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  19. Ross Nixon (559 comments) says:

    201 supporters now. Not exactly skyrocketing, but thanks for the boost DPF.

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  20. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Newsflash – people who dont (think they) have to pay for them want more holidays.

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  21. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    I think its a bread and circuses load of wank.

    I find their belief that they can move Easter to ANZAC Day soemthign of a worry too.

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  22. Lipo (229 comments) says:

    The pasage quoted was

    “Crazy. Currently if our NZ national day Waitangi Day falls on a weekend, we don’t get the day off! What’s that about”

    Which is completey incorrect. You get Saturday or the Sunday off, whichever day it falls on. Can’t see what the fuss is about

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  23. ivorytowerkiwi (10 comments) says:

    The worst I’ve seen was watching the news on TV, when they did a pointless live cross…to a facebook page.

    It was “here’s so and so in our studio with an update” and the reporter was standing next to a normal computer screen with the facebook page in question on it. It was pretty pathetic!

    As for the actual issue – I am against Mondayisation.

    The only public holiday that I accept that is “lost” is ANZAC day because it falls on Easter Monday. Public holidays on weekends are not “lost” – people work on them (getting the benefit of time and half and so on) or might get the chance to take the day off if they normally work the day! Somebody has to work if you want to shop, go out to a cafe or get some sort of medical treatment on your days off!

    Not everyone gets the privilege of working 9-5 Monday to Friday and actually get the stat holidays off, on the day they fall as a matter of course. In many sectors, a “public holiday” is just another day to go to work.

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  24. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Every second comment on that page is disagreeing with the idea anyway. It seems a lot of people “liked” it only so they could then post a comment disagreeing.

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