ACT Civil War continues

April 26th, 2011 at 8:19 am by David Farrar

Tracy Watkins reports:

says leader offered to stand aside for him in the blue-ribbon Epsom seat during a secret meeting over the party leadership.

The revelation comes as the fight for ACT’s leadership turns increasingly personal, with Dr Brash putting aside his 15-year friendship with Mr Hide to challenge for the leadership.

Dr Brash spent the weekend phoning ACT MPs and lobbying for their support, with Dunedin-based MP Hilary Calvert and deputy leader John Boscawen holding the deciding votes in the five-person caucus.

His pitch is likely to include a promise that funders will turn the tap back on if he is leader. …

If his leadership bid is rejected, Dr Brash intends launching a new Right-wing party and says he has the backers and funding to do this.

He rejected suggestions that that would split the Right-wing vote: “If I’m successful, it won’t split the vote on the Right; it will collapse the ACT vote.”

Make me your leader or I will destroy you. I never knew Don came from Chicago!

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115 Responses to “ACT Civil War continues”

  1. Grant Michael McKenna (1,158 comments) says:

    Well, Brash does tend to the Chicago school of economics…

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  2. big bruv (13,698 comments) says:

    Wow!…where is the ‘famous’ National party loyalty we keep hearing about?

    Dr Brash resurrected the National party brand yet it seems that the Nat’s and their supporters are quick to forget how much they owe Dr Brash.

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  3. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    BB: Good point: DPF: perhaps you would like to explain why your mates have shunned a person who doubled their vote and brought THEM back from oblivion…in relative terms?

    [DPF: I think it is a fair criticism that National could have treated Don better. He would have made an excellent High Commission to London for example]

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  4. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Whatever Dr Brash may or may not be accused of, no one could suggest that he is mealy-mouthed. Give me control of your party or I’ll shoot is definitely a novel approach for success in NZ politics.

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  5. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    Sadly Brash comes across as out of touch – living in yesteryear. Kiwi voters are not into extremism. Yes, Key is too timid in making necessary changes and an ally on the right could keep him somewhat honest, but neither Hide nor Brash are the right people to lead it. Act needs someone who listens and rationalises using powers of persuasion, not a dogmatic blusterer.
    Incidentally – did you hear Brash on Morning Report referring to Act as “a centre right party?” And Simon Mercep let him get away with it!

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  6. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    By the title of this post anyone could conclude Labour lite followers are worried about Brash taking the ACT leadership and a sizable number of votes with him!

    BTW, did you read the just announced National Party candidate for Wellington Central professes to be a “BlueGreen“, Nick Smith style? What a croc.

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  7. Nookin (3,264 comments) says:

    ACT has been going backwards for 3 three and shows no signs of re-vitalisation. The worst that will come out of this is the realisation that it no longer has any appeal and that Hide was much more effective in his bovver boy roll rather than as party leader. It is a suit that does not fit.

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  8. giggleatthegaggle (10 comments) says:

    I don’t know that Don’s brand is any better than Rodney’s. Don is getting nowhere whenever he makes recommendations about closing the gaps with Australia, his views are constantly rejected by John Key, so I can’t see Don being a happy coalition partner inside parliament. On the other hand Rodney’s efforts with the super city have left him in a precarious position. Perhaps a plumb job on the council boards would see him eased out?

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  9. Inventory2 (10,265 comments) says:

    Brash’s ultimatum to Act is rather extraordinary, especially when one considers that he is not even a member of the party as of this moment. That alone suggests to me that someone other than Don Brash is pulling his strings.

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  10. iMP (2,352 comments) says:

    ACT would be mad not to grab this life line. They have nothing to lose and possibly oblivion if they don’t.

    Meanwhile, back at National HQ, this Brash event shows the mastery and vision of JK in reaching out to the Maori Party (when not necessary to do so in 2008) to build an accord. The Maori party will not forget this, and a long term accord with Maori and National is good for NZ. JK shows his political approach is truly outside the box and benefits NZ and Nats at a level beyond the myopia of traditional factional politics. True spirit of MMP and a demonstration of his considerable but under the radar political savvy.

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  11. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    If it is true that ACT leader Rodney Hide offered to stand aside for Dr Brash it means Rodney knows he is fucked, as is ACT under his leadership.
    So, is it true …

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  12. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Giggle: Rodney has many talents, but so far as I know plumbing isnt one of them..

    perhaps you mean a PLUM job?

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  13. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Where’s Brash on social liberties – decriminalisation, gay marriage, etc?

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  14. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    I2 said “…someone other than Don Brash is pulling his strings”

    Remember when Trev would use every opportunity to suggest a song for National’s 2005 campaign?

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  15. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    themono: cue paroxysms of laughter at the image of Don dressed as Don Vito Braceone….

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  16. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    That alone suggests to me that someone other than Don Brash is pulling his strings.”
    Did one hear a Penny drop?

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  17. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    “That alone suggests to me that someone other than Don Brash is pulling his strings.”

    It doesn’t look like the launch of the Big Money Rules Party, does it.

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  18. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    A Chicago Godfather would make an offer you can’t refuse.
    Don Brash makes an offer that can’t be comprehended.

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  19. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    The most pathetic thing about this entire situation has actually got to be DPF.

    Not a single word of support, just constant criticism over the matter and National party spin. A mouthpiece for Bill English. Tell me David, what are your views on John Key’s economic policy plans and how would you rate them compared to the Taskforce?

    You’d think that someone who supports the right-wing cause can see the great benefit Don would bring to either the ACT party or another party or at least making a post to the effect stating something along the lines of: “Whilst I have a great deal of respect for Don Brash I disagree because [xxx]“.

    All Don is doing is simply stating the facts as to what will happen to ACT if he started up a new party – it’s not an ultimatum, it’s simply saying what he hopes to achieve and the natural consequences of what will happen if he does it.

    [DPF: I approve of Don's intentions and policy direction. I disapprove of his actions and do not believe the ends always justify the means]

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  20. big bruv (13,698 comments) says:

    “Where’s Brash on social liberties – decriminalisation, gay marriage, etc?”

    Yeah….because when we are in the economic shit things like gay marriage and drug decriminalisation are really important.

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  21. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    ryan – i think brash voted in favour of legal hookers (my all time fav law) and civil unions

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  22. Richard Hurst (832 comments) says:

    So basically “The Don” is making them an offer they can’t refuse Al Capone style.

    “Make me head of da family boys or you’ll be sleeping with the fishes”.

    Nice.

    Crude but in this case probably effective.

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  23. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Don Brash voted for Prostitution Law Reform but against Civil Unions (after previously having been in support.)

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  24. Cunningham (836 comments) says:

    Very interesting situation. I think that ACT will accept Brash and National is likely to lose support to them (how much is to be seen). I am a National supporter but I have to admit that I have been frustrated with their approach in a number of areas and believe they are just being to soft when it comes to running this country. We need a bold approach but we just aren’t getting it. There must be alot of ppl like me out there who feel the same way I suspect. I will prob vote National anyway (although it will come down to the policies of both parties) but if they lose support they really only have themselves to blame to an extent.

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  25. BlairM (2,317 comments) says:

    I find it extraordinary that, when the Carpathia steams towards the Titanic in an act of rescue, the crew, and some of the passengers, not only seem to be insulted by the help, but see fit to criticise the captain for his impropriety, and berate him as unworthy to captain the vessel!

    Loyalty and propriety and proper procedure mean jack squat when you hit an iceberg and the hull is filling with water. Survival may mean doing things you don’t want to do. ACT already knows all about this – they waited until seven weeks before the 2005 election before they finally realised what the rest of the country had known for most of the year, and threw their weight behind the bid to win Epsom. Well come on folks, you are going to have to do it again.

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  26. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Whale Oil’s opinion on the subject:

    Expect now for Brian Nicolle to start run­ning the lines that this is some sort of National party reverse takeover of ACT.
    Far­rar has already started this line of attack albeit a lit­tle more sub­tly. It is a ridicu­lous accu­sa­tion on many lev­els.

    It is an open secret that John Key and Don Brash have hardly spo­ken in two years and that Don Brash has largely been shunned by the par­lia­men­tary wing of National despite him being the main rea­son some of them still have seats in the par­lia­ment fol­low­ing his recov­ery of National’s vote in the years after the dis­as­ter that was Bill Eng­lish.

    http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/?p=22575

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  27. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Yeah….because when we are in the economic shit things like gay marriage and drug decriminalisation are really important.

    Bruv,

    I’m just curious because of the support Brash had in ’05 and the ostensibly libertarian values of the ACT Party.

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  28. wreck1080 (3,865 comments) says:

    Don Brash is so right.

    Brash says on newstalk zb, John Keys major electoral goal was to close the Kiwi-Aussie income gap yet National has given up having won the election.

    You’d have to say this is correct.

    National are rubbish. Don has the right ideas.

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  29. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    “We met a few days after that in the cen­tre of town, at a Burger King … Sub­se­quently [Mr Hide] and I met at a [pri­vate home].”

    Haha, this is actually quite funny. I recall an interview with Brash in 2009 just as he began lecturing at Auckland University in the student magazine I think when he stated that BK Was his favourite restaurant.

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  30. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    it’s not an ultimatum, it’s simply saying what he hopes to achieve

    Haha. What he hopes to achieve is to take over an existing party to save himself the effort of starting up a new one.

    Theres a big contrast Brash and Hide, while Hide has faults and has made mistakes he grafted his way up the party and earned his Epsom seat through hard work. Brash seems to think he can acquire a party and acquire a seat by taking a novel easy route. Even if he manages to pull off an easy aquisition he shows no sign of having the work ethic necessary for small party politics.

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  31. Matthew Hooton (128 comments) says:

    The Act Party president was on Nine to Noon at 9.10 am this morning (it will soon be on line as an MP3) saying Brash will not be allowed to present to the Board on Saturday. So it seems Brash will have to opt for Plan B …

    [DPF: I am not surprised that the Board didn't allow someone who won't even join their party, to talk to the Board on why they should make him leader]

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  32. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    And here is that MP3
    http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20110426-0909-ACT_Party_Leadership-048.mp3

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  33. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Brash could stand in Dipton terrortry. Now that could be fun.

    Or some other place like Tauranga. That would be exciting.

    Anyway, after yesterdays trash by Watkins why would we get excited about todays gossip.
    And I see Key is now reported as saying he can work with Brash.

    A good seat to stand in would be maurices. That useless twat has done nothing for 2.5 years. Leaky homes crisis mean anything to anyone? Nothing to that dimwit.

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  34. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    If Brash does manage to become ACT’s leader I really do hope Colin Craig’s involvement is minimal. From what I’ve heard he is a Christian fundamentalist who holds views similar to Brian Tamaki and Graham Capill.

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  35. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Courage Wolf – Be cautious about comparing anyone to Capill !

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  36. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    So – Don Brash is not big on lawful(?) due process, or ‘DEMOCRACY 101’?

    Still not yet even a member of the political party he wants to lead – ‘or else’?

    errr…. and he seeks to find out what ACT members think about his proposed arguably ‘hostile'(?) takeover bid AFTER he’s publicly announced his intentions?

    Duh?

    With such stunning skills in diplomacy – Don Brash would surely be wasted as a future Minister of Finance.

    How about a future Minister of Foreign Affairs?

    Yep – pretty ‘hollow’ all right.

    ‘Those who have the gold – make the rules’ do they Don?

    So where exactly is the ‘gold’ backing this venture coming from?

    Whose interests will be served?

    Those of the public majority?

    hmm……………….. MOST unlikely, in my considered opinion.

    Penny Bright
    http://waterpressure.wordpress.com

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  37. Inventory2 (10,265 comments) says:

    Remember the 2005 election campaign, and the televised debate where Don Brash wouldn’t interrupt Helen Clark because it wasn’t gentlemanly? Brash has always impressed me as polite and well-mannered; typical of men of his generation. That would suggest that making ultimatums is somewhat out of character – so what other explanations are there, other than that Brash is the front-person for someone else?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/04/what-is-brash-up-to-part-deux.html

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  38. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    And true to form, Trev has adds his two cents
    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/04/26/t-s-elliot-on-the-issue-of-the-day/

    Someone has commented “Interesting that this is written in the first person, Trev…” :)

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  39. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    The current poll is missing at least one other option. Whom do you want to be the Leader of ACT? There must be someone else who could pull them up and forward, not drag them backwards.

    “Mr Hide writes off Dr Brash as too old and says the party is more interested in attracting a new generation of Right-wing thinkers.”

    Maybe there isn’t any new generation?

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  40. themono (132 comments) says:

    ““We met a few days after that in the cen­tre of town, at a Burger King … Sub­se­quently [Mr Hide] and I met at a [pri­vate home].”

    Haha, this is actually quite funny. I recall an interview with Brash in 2009 just as he began lecturing at Auckland University in the student magazine I think when he stated that BK Was his favourite restaurant.”

    I swear, that actually makes him quite a bit more likable.

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  41. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    If this is right it won’t be over by lunchtime (on Saturday).

    To mount a challenge Brash would need to join the party, and that would be considered on Saturday. He would then need to give seven days notice of a challenge to the caucus. If it backed him the matter would be referred to the 13-member board.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4925084/Hide-has-the-numbers-ACT-President

    Brash had also suggested former Auckland mayor John Banks should stand in Hide’s Epsom seat. So he wants someone else to do the hard work, and he will sit on top of the list?

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  42. KiwiGreg (3,247 comments) says:

    Brash has some good ideas. But a leader he aint. And this current farce reeks of his sense of entitlement.

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  43. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Funny how its ok to discriminate against Brash because of his age.

    Imagine if he was Gay:

    “Mr Hide writes off Dr Brash as too GAY and says the party is more interested in attracting a new generation of straight Right-wing thinkers.”

    Or if the Don was Maori:

    “Mr Hide writes off Dr Brash as too BROWN and says the party is more interested in attracting a new generation of white Right-wing thinkers.”

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  44. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    What a laugh

    Hootie uses Reagan as a good example of an oldie in Government. Mmmm the only problem is that its clear from the many memoirs from the second term of the Reagan Administration, that things had started to wander – Ronnie wasn’t in top form.

    Hootie then cites Deng Xiao Ping as Brash examplar. Yes a Chinese Marxist ‘monarch’ is quite appros.

    Of course DPF mistitles this post it isn’t a civil war in ACT. Its Brash (National Party Member) waging war on ACT.

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  45. TripeWryter (715 comments) says:

    I don’t care what they do. Act is a bit extreme for me.

    But …

    Don Brash is 70. What has he got to offer my children, who, God bless ‘em, probably are Act supporters. (How about that for aspiration — children of solo parent, brought up in state houses, got and hold good jobs on their merits and hard work?)

    He apparently doesn’t even belong to Act yet.

    If he were to become leader of this benighted lot, or some other well-heeled rabble, his private life would be served up again for public delectation.

    Who would want that? And if he wanted some, er, home comfort occasionally, who would want to be the comforter if she was going to end up as a Johnathan Marshall ‘exclusive’?

    More important, though, is this: I don’t think New Zealanders want another political party at the behest of wealthy and powerful people, as Labour was in 1984-90, and National was in 1990-93.

    That’s why Kiwis went for MMP, and they’ll keep voting for MMP because it’s the only brake they have on politicians who panzered their way over everybody in those nine years.

    Unfortunately MMP also gave us Keith Locke, Sue Bradford, Jeanette Fitzsimons, Sue Kedgely, Alamein Kopu, Pam Corkery, Tuku Morgan and sundry forgotten others.

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  46. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    Tripe – in what ways to find ACT! to be extreme? Is there specific policy you can point to? (not having a go, just curious)

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  47. giggleatthegaggle (10 comments) says:

    If the new Brash party gets in, and Hone’s Mana Party get in at the next election – how many ‘leaders’ budgets will the taxpayer endure? Surely we need to cap the number of party leaders in the house, or look to cap the funding that leaders get by having one funding pool for all ‘leaders’

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  48. big bruv (13,698 comments) says:

    “Don Brash is 70. What has he got to offer my children,”

    A damn sight more than Jacinda Adern and Jami-Lee Ross.

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  49. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    lol

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  50. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    Oh look a comment from the Bunker. Taking time out from fabricating poll results Chris?

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  51. Nick Archer (137 comments) says:

    So looks like it will come down to something like this (based on ACT President’s comments and where all the chips lie):

    Will come down to John Boscowen, either he will have to put the dagger in Hide’s back or Douglas and Roy will leave ACT (Waka jump) and be MPs in Parliament under the new banner of Don Brash’s new party (with him being Leader outside of Parliament, been done before with Russel Norman albeit he was a Co Leader with one Co Leader in Parliament) with John Banks running in Epsom…

    Hmmm going to be fun to watch… I still remember ACT’s slogan being: Values Not Politics how things have changed…

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  52. s.russell (1,592 comments) says:

    BlairM is right: “Loyalty and propriety and proper procedure mean jack squat when you hit an iceberg and the hull is filling with water. ”
    Moan all you like about how its not fair and Brash is not a party member and wouldnt it be nice if there was someone younger who could do the job (there isn’t). But the choice is stark: embrace Brash or die.
    It’s just like a takeover offer for a bankrupt company. Act Co is not in a position to be picky, or to reject the offer as unfair.

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  53. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    Old make it up Whaley:

    Bunker maybe but never a padded cell oh Oily one.

    Tell us are you actually a member of the National Party or are you one of Don’s Dads Army. I bet they cheered at National Head Office when you resigned.

    And frankly I do not engage in a conversation with someone who sexualises a teenager because of a mere political disagreement. We have had this out before fishbrain – you are beyond the pale

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  54. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    …the burger king-coup:..don brash is one vote away from taking the act leadership from hide..but it won’t happen this week…

    the act party president has just been interviewed on nat-rad..and he confirmed that if the act caucus voted to replace hide with brash..

    that the party board would have to go along with that…

    ..and also confirmed that one caucus vote stands between brash and success..

    ..and that vote is from john boscowan…

    …the party president also said that brash would have to join the party..

    …and that cd be approved by sats’ board meeting..

    ..brash wd then have to give seven days notice of his intention to roll hide…

    ..so it won’t happen this week…

    ..but the next week is that ‘long week in politics’…

    ..and of course the money behind this is from that (property-investor) multi-millionaire who financed the (heroically under-attended) ‘we want to smack children’ march..a coupla years ago..

    ..one colin craig..

    ..he has been trying to buy his way into political office for some time now..

    ..and i’m picking his demand will be a high place on the act list…

    ..act…party for sale…going cheap…eh..?

    another fascinating detail is tales of a meeting between brash and hide … at a burger king…

    ..where such heavy subjects were discussed over fries and a shake..?

    recognise the form
    … eh?

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  55. adze (2,086 comments) says:

    @orewa1

    Simon Mercep is a terrible interviewer. He routinely gets the most important interviews of the day and just as routinely treats his subjects with kid gloves – which makes for extremely frustrating listening. He should get some assertiveness training from Espiner.

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  56. The Hoff (17 comments) says:

    Surely making Don Brash head of the ACT Party is a no-brainer?…
    http://wp.me/p1rzNS-cL

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  57. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    You’ve got to wonder who is playing who. There seems to be several hands in play. I pick Hide to retain leadership but Brash to stand for Epsom and take a decent list placing. This will result in positive noises and polling before the election, as the pundits pick the well heeled laydees of Epsom to dutifully trot off and tick Brash. Brash won’t attract the female vote like Hide did at the heights of popularity. National may pick up Epsom by sitting back and letting it play, and not ruling out Brash as a post election minister. Act will still make it in as a post coalition partner, but Roy or Douglas may not make it back in, and everything plays out to the advantage of Key and Hide.

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  58. wreck1080 (3,865 comments) says:

    In what way are Act extreme?

    If by extreme , you mean they are actually trying to break the slide of NZ inc. over the last 50 years then they certainly differ from other party offerings.

    But, if you are happy for NZ to slip further into debt and have even lower relative incomes then sure, keep with the same old parties.

    The day of financial reckoning is drawing closer for NZ. I reckon in the next 2 years something will break.

    Acts main problem is their public infighting and hypocrisy.

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  59. Zarchoff (100 comments) says:

    Actually Nick, if Roy and/or Douglas leave ACT they will be independent MPs. My understanding is that an MP can’t represent a party in Parliament if that party was not voted in at an election. So a new party has to win a seat (or list MPs) at an election before it can be represented in Parliament, receive a leaders budget etc.

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  60. Zarchoff (100 comments) says:

    BTW: Given that the ACT board can veto a membership application (Kevin Campbell will attest to that), I suggest Brash will fall at the first hurdle. However, it would be nice if the board got to hear Don Brash before making a decision (or should I say backing Rodney).

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  61. david@tokyo (263 comments) says:

    Bring back Prebs

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  62. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    I2: Brash has always impressed me as polite and well-mannered; typical of men of his generation.

    Like:
    “Excuse me Mr Hide, please vacate your position so I can take over your party and save me having to work and start from scratch, that would be just a little inconvenient. Oh, and by the way, if you don’t then I will destroy you another way, politely of course.”

    I wonder how polite and gentlemanly Bill English thinks he is.

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  63. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Wonder if Don Brash attended any of the ANZAC services yesterday?

    Hope not – the hypocrisy of so doing would arguably make thinking, decent Kiwis nauseous?

    Corporate ‘DEMOCRACY’ Don Brash style, according to the ‘Golden Rule’?

    ‘Those who have the gold – make the rules’?

    Just a bit short on the concept (errr…….. basic human/democratic right actually)

    ‘The will of the people is the basis of the authority of government..”

    [Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 21 s (3)]

    NEW ZEALANDERS BEWARE!

    If this is how Don Brash works in order to get into power – how would he operate if he WAS in a position of power?

    EEEK! cried a number of the good (former?) National voters of Epsom?

    Of course masterfully-packaged (current) corporate raider ‘shonky’ John Key would work with ‘the Don':

    “Prime Minister John Key says Don Brash is a political extremist but is not ruling out working with him – either as ACT leader or under the banner of a new party. ”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4926196/PM-I-d-work-with-extremist-Don-Brash

    Remind me how Nicky Hager was wrong again with ‘The Hollow Men’?

    Penny Bright
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  64. dime (9,805 comments) says:

    where is mad dog? havent heard from him in ages

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  65. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    KiwiGreg

    “Brash has some good ideas. But a leader he aint.”

    Quite so. If what I understand about the way the Nats opposition caucus was run, then you are right on the money KG.

    From what I can gather, it was a disorganised competion for headlines between caucus-members. That is certainly what it looked like from the outside. Every man and girl for him/herself. Ultimately that did for him as it did for his predecessor English.

    In contrast, Clark kept everything well disciplined, focussed and under control and had Cullen to carry the hard yards as well. That was always her great advantage and, I think, the reason Brash couldn’t pull it off in 2005. It wasn’t as if enough of the public at large hadn’t had a gutsful of Clark by that stage. Brash didn’t appear to organise any co-ordinated effort in attacking Labour whereas, things seemed to tighten up considerably relative to past practice when Key took over.

    It won’t stop Brash from getting more MPs in than Hide, but like Hide, I don’t think he has the leadership skills. Even so, he still ought to be able to take ACT beyond what it is at the moment – whatever that is.

    That history also, I think, neatly sums up why ACT is rooted for now without Brash, but won’t go much beyond what Hide achieved originally with Brash. It also explains why Labour are hopelessly rooted. Piss poor leadership. They badly need the discipline that the Clark/Cullen combination delivered. There is simply nobody in that caucus capable of delivering that irrespective of the changes that will occur prior to the election (Cunners in as no 2 for Full Moon).

    National are experiencing similar problems in terms of focus and message right now. They need leadership in that no 2 spot and English is a proven failure in that respect.

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  66. Caleb (479 comments) says:

    some touchy act and national supporters around here.
    every reason why brash should start his own party.
    for the good of the country.

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  67. Chuck Bird (4,831 comments) says:

    I have not commented much so far. If Don Brash had done things properly he quite possibly could be the leader of ACT. He has made an ultimatum to ACT with a threat to do his best to destroy the party if they do not make him leader.

    If he leads ACT or another right of centre party he will have negotiate with National even if from the cross benches.

    I have suggested in writing to the Board that they consider offering Don a Primary like when Rodney became leader and let the members decide.

    I hope they give this serious consideration but I will not throw my toys out of the cot if they do not. I think I would consider resigned however if the gave caved into his ultimatum.

    I am sadly disappointed in Don’s tactics. I probably would have voted for Don if he have joined ACT and challenged for the leadership and I was given the opportunity. I do not like threats.

    I think now if there were a primary between Rodney and Don Rodney would win?

    I would like to see this happen because this would give the winner a mandate. If Rodney won this would put to bed the story that Rodney is only the leader because he bullies everyone. He cannot bully the members and he really cannot bully the Board. He cannot sack them but if he could how effective is it to threaten to sack volunteer worker?

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  68. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    Cant see why Don Brash needs face time with the ACT board he has communicated his offer really clearly via the media (thats how most pols persuade their party) mmm when one actually belongs to it.

    Here is the offer than cannot be refused:

    1. Make me Leader or I will destroy you.
    2. I choose the Epsom candidate – Banksie (yes no maybe) or another nominee but not Rodney Hide. (Brash wont run because he wants the quick option of exiting Parliament if things don’t turn out well -did the same in the Nats when he could have had Tamaki)
    3. I will ensure the money flows just like it rains in Auckland.
    4. I will take 15% of the vote (principally from National for if ACT has no support then nothing comes from nothing. Must come from National since undecided voters are principally Labour voters)

    The Good Dr and his Dads Army will also chase a few Labour leaning undecided oldies (like himself) into Winston First (they hate Brash) and the younger principally female ones into the Greens (Brash isn’t good with the ladies in the demographics) surprising really.

    Ole Winnie will be licking his chops at the prospect of Mr Magoo being back in play.

    I agree with DPF the Nats should have packed him off somewhere but not London – I don’t think the diningroom table could take it.

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  69. BlairM (2,317 comments) says:

    I fail to see how pointing out Don Brash’s flaws makes Rodney Hide any less of a dead man walking, helps him win Epsom, or gives ACT 5% of the vote. Brash could probably do those last two things for ACT (nothing can save Hide). To be, or not to be, that is the question. But if you’re more offended by Brash’s mobster tactics than you are by the prospect of your own party disappearing, by all means tell him to piss off.

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  70. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    If NZ is ‘preceived’ to be the least corrupt country in the world’ – then arguably we should be the most ‘transparent’?

    So – who is financially underwriting ACT if ‘Brash brings ca$h’ / or this ‘new’ political party of the right, if ACT don’t accept this Brash offer which ‘the Don’ thinks they cannot refuse?

    ‘Those who have the gold – make the rules’.

    WHOSE GOLD is behind this ‘hostile’ ACT takeover by current National party member(s)?

    (All looks a bit ‘third-world banana republic’ sort of stuff – don’t you think?

    Not quite keeping with NZ’s ‘clean, green – ‘least corrupt country in the world’ sort of image/perception?)

    All this confirms, in my considered opinion, is that National KNOW that they haven’t got a snowballs chance in hell of ‘governing alone’ – so they are interfering in the internal party politics of ACT in order to get the ‘coalition partner’ that they want – whilst pretending that ACT and National are somehow significantly different in both policies and personnel?

    This all helps to confirm my hypothesis that ‘democracy’ in NZ means getting the government that the majority of big business want us to have?

    Penny Bright
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  71. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    Brash looked like a political experiment gone wrong, by July 2006:

    Don Brash is down five points to 13% as preferred Prime Minister, and fewer than half of respondents believed he was a capable leader. Fewer than a third believed he was performing well in his job.

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  72. giggleatthegaggle (10 comments) says:

    NZ the least corrupt in the world? I guess Helen helping herself to public cash to win an election and Winnie [always say No] put paid to that

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  73. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Chris Diack: you are demeaning yourself by your recent comments…particularly referring to Cameron Slater’s problems with mental illness…perhaps you dont know that Rodney has “been there” himself…I thought better of you.

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  74. V (715 comments) says:

    Gee, there’s some worried National party people on here.

    This country needs a good ultimatum once and a while, there’s been far too much wasting of time and spending on things that are not important.

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  75. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    “All looks a bit ‘third-world banana republic’ sort of stuff – don’t you think”

    I thought that was your hat.

    thedavincimode

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  76. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    # David Garrett (227) Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Chris Diack: you are demeaning yourself by your recent comments…particularly referring to Cameron Slater’s problems with mental illness…perhaps you dont know that Rodney has “been there” himself…I thought better of you.”
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Is that why Cameron Slater has this habit of referring to so many people with opposing political views as ‘mental’ or ‘mad’?

    Wouldn’t you think he should therefore know better?

    “perhaps you dont know that Rodney has “been there” himself”

    ??

    Aren’t you equally ‘demeaning’ yourself David?

    Perhaps those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?

    Penny Bright
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  77. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Why don’t you tell some tomatoes that? Its wasted on everyone here.

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  78. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    It would be interesting to get an idea of who supports Rodney and who supports Don being the leader. I have a suggestion which any commenters are free to take on here for future comments in this or any other thread about ACT. If you support Rodney, bold your comments. If you support Don, italicise them. To do this, simply type [b] and [/b] between each comment for bold, and [i] and [/i] for italics. Except instead of the symbols [ and ] use the pointy ones: > and <.

    I think this will give an indication as to how much support is behind each person (for example, if the majority of comments are in italics, then it will show that Don has quite a bit of support, whereas if the majority of them are bold then it will reveal that despite all the media suggestion Rodney still has quite a strong mandate). For the record, I agree with the comment above that having Don as leader really ought to be a no-brainer. I am surprised there are still Rodney supporters here on this forum given ACT’s poll ratings for the past six years or so. If more of the same is what you guys want from ACT then well, I really don’t know what to say to you. I gave up on believing ACT would make a comeback under Rodney a long time ago.

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  79. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    [b]on the one hand[/b] …

    [i]but then on the other[/i] …

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  80. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    So do I, Courage Wolf. Hide has to go.

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  81. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Penny: (the one and only time I will respond to you…) I live in the same glasshouse myself you stupid…

    thanks to our media which concentrates on the important stuff, half the country knows my medical history…

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  82. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    I’ll have to stick to plain old text. I think Act with Hide is toast, and Act with Brash would be burnt toast.

    Why is Boscawen rarely talked about as leadership potential? He’s probably the current Act MP with the most respect. Is he not interested? Or too loyal to indicate an interest? Or deemed not what Act wants?

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  83. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    Blair M said :I fail to see how pointing out Don Brash’s flaws makes Rodney Hide any less of a dead man walking, helps him win Epsom, or gives ACT 5% of the vote.

    Possibly the most rational comment on the thread! Sadly (at heart) New Zealander’s don’t like intellectuals like Brash. A Labour example would be Geoffrey Palmer. I support Brash, but he has left his run too late.

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  84. Elaycee (4,352 comments) says:

    Lets face it – anything that helps the ACT cause and by default this will keep Winston Peters in the dark ages where he belongs, cannot be a bad thing. Sure, Brash’s tactics (if reported correctly) are less than ideal but the main prize is surely to have a centre right Government next term and if possible one with a majority of over 50%. Unless ACT gains some traction (and quickly), there is a possibility that the disenchanted voters may go elsewhere – and the most unpleasant prospect of all is that they may find their way into the clutches of the Winston Party.

    National needs an ACT party that is alive and well and if this means that Brash is the man for the job (and Rodney has to fall on his sword in order for this to be achieved), then so be it.

    New Zealand needs Winston Peters back in Parliament like I need an outbreak of genital warts.

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  85. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Pete: I suspect the answer is twofold: John is a loyal deputy (genuinely so); and he also is well aware – unlike The Don – of the realities of being the leader of a small party of individualists

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  86. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    Yes and Chris Diack probably doesn’t want to talk too much about that or the years he spent living in his mum’s basement could equally apply. But hey at least I am honest about my battles with depression.

    So far I haven’t made a single thing up. In fact I have been remarkably accurate, even preempting the smears leveled by Rodney and his “team”.

    i wonder how you will reconcile your Dad;s army tactics and the mem that Don is a doddery old fool with the next smear against Don Brash that is about to be shopped to the media. If I was Rodney I would think very carefully about dropping that bomb because once the gloves are off regarding personal indiscretions then the gloves are off.

    It won’t make you old dodderer meme fly if you now accuse him of being an inveterate rooter at 70…most bloke will says “onya Don. still getting your leg over at 70″….hmmm old dodderer or viral lothario??? the play book is so lame, seen it all before, why don’t you pick a tactic that hasn’t been done before.

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  87. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    Dignity Cam, dignity…

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  88. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    David:

    No one has been where Whale is – he is a pretty nasty piece of work. He is a person of little generosity of spirit irrespective of mental illness issues. I have seldom heard him say a good word about anyone, which actually says more about him than it does his numerous targets.

    The first time I met him he raved at me that Labour did scams with Islanders to put them on the electoral roll (an old chestnut of the oddball right) just prejudice really and then spent 10mins on his hatred for Bill English. I found it all very odd.

    I went off him big time when he used Photoshop to sexualise a 15yr old teenager more than half his age because of a political dispute. It was bad actually.

    That’s not mental illness its simply totally inappropriate behaviour from an adult. Its a boundaries issue.

    So I have a simple rule with Sprat – I will ignore him unless he takes a poke. Mostly we don’t engage which suits me – live and let live is my motto.

    Now do I have compassion for his plight – of course. He isn’t without talent and can be humourous.

    In truth he knows nothing much about ACT, isn’t a member, isn’t a member of the Nats and is mostly just makes things up. I so want him to join Don’s new political vehicle pleeeezzeee. He belongs in the Dads Army.

    This bunker stuff comes from Hooton who is equally unimpressive in person. I mean the idea that Hooton could speak with any cred on matters ACT is rediculous. As for the issue of Dr Brash hes been all over the map on that.

    These guys have no currency in their own party (assuming Hooton is still a member of the Nats). But its easy to spot a working over.

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  89. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    Gee that’s a nice revision of history there Chris…actually the one and only time i met you was in a restaurant in Manukau where you set about denigrating everyone and everything to do with C&R as you headed down the destructive and ultimately futile 1 Auckland Now Me first route.

    You are just making shit up about the rest. But then you were always good at that especially when it came to minutes regarding houses in Onehunga and other wonderous plots cooked up in your fevered imagination.

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  90. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    I dont know the man Chris…but I abhor references to “padded cells” and “looney bins”….and I abhorred them long before my own history became public, and whichever side of the house such insults came from. Its pretty scary being on the same side as Catherine Delahunty on an issue let me tell ya!

    But we are all in danger of justifiably being accused of “threadjacking”….

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  91. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    Dignity Cam, dignity…

    David you are wasting your time.

    I like Cameron Slater being the recruiting poster for Dad’s Army. I am sure he is available to do Don’s social media (no not the crystal set Don) get his hands on some of that Colin Craig dosh. Fixing bayonets and charging (with or without Banksie).

    The fresh faces of the 2011 political season.

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  92. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Threadjacking alert!!! :-)

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  93. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    David:

    If you don’t know Fishbreath you are truely blessed.

    Herring:

    Yes your old man destroyed C&R – I can see where you get your manifest talents from.

    Actually 1Auckland did pretty well – project achieved.

    Tell me is Hootie putting you on the payroll for the Maori Statutory Board contract – you could do their website Sardine while you are doing the Dad’s Army one.

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  94. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    Why is Boscawen rarely talked about as leadership potential? He’s probably the current Act MP with the most respect. Is he not interested? Or too loyal to indicate an interest? Or deemed not what Act wants?

    I have a great deal of respect for Boscawen – got to know him a bit when he was campaigning for Mt Albert and he is a really lovely man. However, from my observations of him being interviewed by a journalist and how he talked to residents I just have to conclude he doesn’t know how to communicate with people effectively. It was just a stark contrast to Richard Prebble, for example, who knew how to make people like him.

    To make a comparison to get the point across, it’s kind of like having a date with a woman. One guy can totally blow her away and have her wanting to sleep with him due to his confident personality. Another guy could be a genuine nice guy but nothing more than friendship material and she has no interest in giving up her goods for him. Prebble was A, John unfortunately is B. Kind of like Goff.

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  95. shady (251 comments) says:

    Chris Diack – the first order of business of the Act Party should be to get rid of you. Your comments on this thread are nauseating and if you are speaking on behalf of the Act Party – then you all have rocks in your head.

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  96. BlairM (2,317 comments) says:

    Actually 1Auckland did pretty well – project achieved.

    Yeah, we got the Davies elected to the Avondale Board! WOOHOO! Project achieved! ;-)

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  97. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    Shady:

    Please please I post on no one’s behalf. The big difference between Don Brash and me is that I am actually a member of the Party he says he wants to lead but can’t actually bring himself to join.

    Please join the Dad’s Army.

    Blair:

    Actually Blair we have one Auckland and polling support for a unitary authority was highest in the old Auckland City. Labour has also basically signed up the model except for the Tspt CCO and Maori seats. We played a small part in this significant achievement.

    It provides a good lesson for Dr Brash. If you believe in your project just do it – why fluff around with vehicles that are dead anyway its very inefficent better a party in Dr Don’s Zimmerframed image. Who knows he may pull 15% off the Nats, he’ll be your hero as a good National Party member.

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  98. DavidWr (7 comments) says:

    I thought ACT weren’t into recycling

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  99. Radman (143 comments) says:

    This isn’t about Brash – it’s about John Banks.

    When I was involved in the National Party many years ago, I knew John on a roundabout basis. He was extremely hard-working (almost a workaholic) and couldn’t sit still. He was ambitious and forthright. Over the years, as I’ve watched him develop in Auckland (I’m in Wellington now) those traits haven’t disappeared.

    The thing with him in all of this with the Act putsch is his silence and silence speaks a thousand words.

    I believe John will end up running the parliamentary/politics side of Act with Brash fronting the party. To me that seems on the button.

    Don is a nice man. But he doesn’t have a clue about politics.

    John will take care of the politics. Then he will take over, when the time is right.

    If that is the case, expect the Act Party to become very social conservative.

    Let’s take a look at his John’s track record:

    1. He engaged in a tasteless (some would say racist) ploy with mate John Carter over the “HONE’ incident on his talkback show.

    2. He described the extraordinary survival account of Navy Diver Robert Hewitt as a “hoax” – a total insult to a man I know who was lost at sea without drinkable water for 3 days and 3 nights. Then to add insult to injury, Banks refused to apologise to Hewitt for lying about him!

    3. In 2001 he was caught speeding on a jet ski close to the beach, not long after criticising boy racers!!

    4. While Minister of Police, he was fined $750 for answering his cell phone on a commercial flight in 1991.

    5. And none of us oldies will forget his gay bashing.

    I’m not young like the Act on Campus crowd, but I am reasonably socially liberal. I could fit into the Labour Party quite easily, but don’t agree with Labour’s economics.

    But if I was a young Act member today I would be worried about the liberal movement with John involved.

    I don’t know much about that Craig fellow but he seems worse!!!

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  100. Inventory2 (10,265 comments) says:

    @ Chris Diack; if you are an officeholder with Act, you’re not really doing the party’s image a lot of good with your seemingly endless series of piscine puns. Wouldn’t it be better to engage of the issues rather than shoot (or abuse) the messenger?

    Just sayin’

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  101. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    # Elaycee (5) Says:
    April 26th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    New Zealand needs Winston Peters back in Parliament like I need an outbreak of genital warts.”

    Interesting.

    Why do you need genital warts Elaycee?

    Penny Bright
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  102. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Penny: Wonder if Don Brash attended any of the ANZAC services yesterday?

    Hope not – the hypocrisy of so doing would arguably make thinking, decent Kiwis nauseous?

    He has more right than you Comrade Bright. Our soldiers didn’t go to fight for democracy…a form of mob rule.They fought for our freedom…the freedom not to be dictated to by the mob.Fascist bludger s like you who want others to pay for your water bill are the ones who should stay away from ANZAC day….your taint leaves a nasty stench in the nostrils of the rest of us.

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  103. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    Inventory2

    I have never see such an incompetent bumbling attempt to be a party leader.

    Dr Brash this evening seems to have given way the idea of being ACT leader according to both tv channels – from top job to no job in four days. Now hes on back on track to form his Dads Army (which begs the question as to why one would get diverted with ACT).

    Of course for an economist he doesnt seem to be able to do basic counting. National is polling extremely highly. That means its picking up most centre right votes. That means ACT will poll low (ACT gets votes almost all of its votes within the bloc not between them like National does). ACT always does best when the Nats aren’t. The converse is also the case.

    Its not rocket science actually.

    What he is trying to say is that National’s support is soft and will break significantly in his direction and without any competitive response from National to stem this flow of votes. Going negative is the easiest way to shift votes quickest if indeed the National vote is soft. He’s clearly got issues with Key’s lack of gratitude so maybe thats what they will target.

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  104. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    which begs the question as to why one would get diverted with ACT?

    Who are you kidding? Are you delusional?

    ACT is polling at the margin of error because of Mr Hide’s “leadership” (or lack of). His total absence from the political scene, his antics and sideshows, and more important his lack of bottle to stand up to Key and walk away instead of continue playing poodle to National.

    He’s ruined ACT for the mere baubles of power. That’s why.

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  105. Zarchoff (100 comments) says:

    “Chris Diack; if you are an officeholder with Act, you’re not really doing the party’s image a lot of good…”

    Not an officeholder but doing a great deal of damage to the party image nonetheless. A walking advert for why so many people have left ACT!

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  106. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    But if I was a young Act member today I would be worried about the liberal movement with John involved.

    I don’t know much about that Craig fellow but he seems worse!!!

    I could be said to be in that crowd. Truth be told we wouldn’t really give a shit about things like that as whatever the law is we’ll find a way around it (e.g. if smoking pot is illegal, we’ll do it anyway, although it is preferable if we could do it without the need for secrecy). At the end of the day what matters is when we graduate from university and we don’t want to be paying high taxes. I agree though Craig seems like a religious Baldock type character who I think will do more to damage ACT if he ever speaks out on social issues and revealing his fundamentalism (I recall an article in the Herald when he was running for mayor expressing archaic views on homosexuality). Who knows though, he may be like Peter Dunne and refuse to discuss religious matters in politics, fingers crossed.

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  107. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    Manolo & Zarchoff

    ACT started low polling when Dr Brash became Leader of the National Party that occured prior to the 2005 election.

    ACT polled highest in 2002 when National polled lowest.

    ACT started when centre-right voters were tiring of a Bolger Government 1996 and did even better after National chopped and changed it leader in 1999.

    National is currently polling extremely highly, ACT is polling lowly.

    Brash is promising to break the link between National’s performance and ACT’s performance that has played out since 1996.

    It really depends on one’s assessment of the strength of Key/National’s attractiveness to most centre-right voters. At the moment ACT has a tiny share of that vote.

    Going negative would usually be the quickest way to shift these voters – but thats problematic as Key is the big draw and I guess ACT under Hide or Brash would have to be clear about supporting alturnative PMs.

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  108. shady (251 comments) says:

    Chris – the thing is that with the right team, Act could have had – and could have a bigger share of that centre right vote.

    Rodney is not the person to do that. Stephen Franks would have been a more believable and sincere leader with Rodney as his deputy if anything. Leaving Rodney as the pitbull perkbuster in the house would have been preferable to Rodney the DWTS competitor, wetsuit clad Women’s Day coverboy, busted perk abuser and twittering canary. Roger Douglas – while obviously still a financial whizz and heavyweight – really DID come across as old and doddery, and with the baggage of the 80’s and the whole supposedly negative connotation of “Rogernomics” to scare all the voters. Polictical poison for Key to have taken into the Cabinet.

    Act have lost their way. Get your shit together Act – there are 3 votes in this household you will be losing this year on current form.

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  109. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Please….Franks looks like a walking corpse…pale and sickly.His appeal is zero.

    Plus his conservative views on things like civil unions etc got him arsed out years ago.

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  110. shady (251 comments) says:

    And your answer is Hide, James?

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  111. Chris Diack (739 comments) says:

    Shady:

    ACT survived in 2005 because of Hide, Brash hoovered up most of ACT’s vote.

    There is no Wgtn seat Franks could have won. Had he been leader ACT would have gone in 2005.

    Sir Roger repels many voters and attracts a few. It will be interesting to compare Brash’s demographics now he is seeking the ACT leadership – there may be less resistance to Brash because of his National origins as opposed to Sir Roger’s Labour ones.

    Zarchoff:

    Why would the ACT Board zap Brash’s membership application. Surely it would consider the substantive terms of his offer. If it accepts his offer under the terms he has made clear, one would make him a member and set the wheels in motion to make him Leader (Caucus recommendation by resolution which is a formality and then formal Board appointment). If it declines his offer under the terms he has made it, only then would it return his fee as he has clearly indicated he wants to persue other options.

    The key issue in this process is to what degree the current Leader facilitates this process. Richard Prebble as ACT Leader did this – so ACT Leaders are expected to consider the interests of both Party and Nation.

    I guess the ball is in Dr Brash’s court – get the membership application in and then the issue of his offer becomes live. Its hard to understand the problem with simply signing the form and sending the cheque.

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  112. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Actually my answers McCaffery….Peter McCaffery. ;-)

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  113. James (1,338 comments) says:

    My other answer is Sheen….Charlie Sheen! …..it wouldn’t be boring… ;-)

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  114. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1104/S00321/brash-move-on-act-a-jackup-peters.htm
    Brash Move on ACT a Jackup – Peters

    Tuesday, 26 April 2011, 12:50 pm
    Press Release: Rt Hon Winston Peters

    Brash Move on ACT a Jackup – Peters

    New Zealand First says it is obvious that Don Brash’s move to take over the ACT party is a sneaky plan by National and ACT interests to form a new government that will asset strip the country, keep wages low and attack superannuation.

    Rt. Hon Winston Peters pointed out today that the only reason for reviving a political corpse like ACT would be for National to use it as an expendable backstop for passing unpalatable social and economic legislation after the next election.

    “The moves being made by former National leader Don Brash are about as subtle as a kango hammer on a piece of old concrete. Mr Hide is unelectable so National has put up its own man for Epsom, but under the ACT party flag”.

    “When the takeover happens, ACT under Mr Brash will target topics such as racial issues where National does not go because of its deal with the Maori Party. We believe the “Kiwi not Iwi” billboards will be dusted off – as well as other inflammatory propaganda.”

    Mr Peters said however, the most scary issue would be the harsh policies of the joint leadership of New Zealand by John Key and Don Brash.

    “The economic revolution of Roger Douglas and Ruth Richardson would be revived with publicly owned assets flogged off and a complete takeover by foreign interests.

    “As well, wages and conditions for workers would be slashed further and a full scale assault would be started on the welfare system and superannuation. There would be an exodus of Kiwis to Australia if they could afford the airfare.

    “You only have to look at the interests standing behind Don Brash and their enormous financial resources to see what is going on,” said Mr Peters.

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Where is Winston Peters wrong in his analysis?

    That is my assessment of the situation as well.

    National KNOW they will not get the numbers to govern alone (the Botany by-election results, in my considered opinion, helped to confirm that asset sales are NOT popular with the NZ voting public, including (former?) National Party supporters).

    They need coalition allies – they believe that ACT in it’s current form cannot retain Epsom with Rodney Hide as Leader, nor make the 5% party vote threshold.

    So – in the true form of corporate ‘democracy’ – according to the ‘golden rule’ – ie: ‘those who have the gold make the rules’ – Brash ‘I’ve got the ca$h’ – without even being a member of the ACT Party – is saying ‘pick me – pick me as Leader – or I’ll start a new party’.

    (Not that there is much difference between National and ACT when both their personnel and policies are effectively so interchangeable? )

    All tends to prove my view that under NZ ‘democracy’ we get the government that the majority of big business want us to have, through corporate media manipulation(and anonymous political donations)?

    However – I predict that because of the bullying, ‘stumble-bum’ way that Don Brash has gone about this ham-fisted National Party ‘takeover’ of ACT – he will have put off a LOT of people.

    The spectre of a blatantly pro-corporate National /ACT coalition with John Key and Don Brash at the helm, wielding more pro-Rogernomic$/ anti-people policies should have the effect of driving voters towards those parties which have stated positions opposing such policies.

    ‘Shonky’ John Key’s not-quite-so masterful spin-doctored packaging is slipping……….

    Arguably this ‘right-wing’ in-fighting is actually over HOW this pro-corporate National takeover of ACT is being done?

    Takeover ACT vs start another right wing political party?

    The aim is the same – National will NOT get the numbers to govern alone – so will need political coalition allies.

    Breathe life into the ACT corpse or pump hot air into a new ‘hollow’ party?

    Surely even being seen to have followed ACT’s ‘due process’ would have been a better look than wanting to take over a party you’re not even a member of?

    Duh?

    Doing it this way – ‘The Don’ may have achieved the aim of making Rodney Hide seem intransigent, and been a method of publicly ‘testing the water’ to check out public support for such a move – but I predict it may well backfire – because it is arguably seen as SO arrogant and ‘undemocratic’?

    We shall see…………

    Penny Bright
    http://waterpressure.wordpress.com

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  115. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Its president appears to have signed the party’s death warrant.

    Would-be-ACT leader Don Brash believes he can still wrest control of the party from Rodney Hide despite claims by the party’s president that Mr Hide has the numbers to survive.

    President Chris Simmons said yesterday that deputy leader John Boscawen had been very supportive of Mr Hide, and MP Hilary Calvert had told him she was “100 per cent behind Rodney as well”. He said Dr Brash was an angry, grumpy old man playing to his ego. “Right at the moment I am seeing three very firm votes on the caucus,” he said.

    Mr Hide needs his own vote and two other MPs in the five-member caucus to survive the challenge. Sir Roger Douglas and former deputy leader Heather Roy are expected to back Dr Brash, though Mrs Roy declined to comment yesterday.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/4930055/Brash-still-certain-he-can-beat-Hide/

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