Maori & National

May 16th, 2011 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

have announced that they have selected as their candidate for Dunedin South. Congrats to Joanne. Joanne is the Chief Executive of Ngai Tai O Te Awa Trust.

Last weekend Georgina te Heuheu announced her retirement. Georgie became a National MP in 1996, and off memory was the only National MP who was of descent.

Today National has eight MPs of Maori descent. On top of that National’s candidates in Northland, Wellington Central and Dunedin South are of Maori descent. And on current polling they could all well become MPs via the party list if they do not win their seats.

This has all happened with no quotas.

What is remarkable isn’t so much that National is selecting so many Maori candidates, but that so many Maori are making themselves available to stand for National. 20 years ago it was near unthinkable.

UPDATE: And to further make my point, Claudette Hauiti has just been selected as the Mangere candidate. 11 out of 63 candidates in general seats are Maori.

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62 Responses to “Maori & National”

  1. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Something we can thank the decision to move to MMP for.

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  2. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    Something we can thank the decision to move to MMP for.

    Do you care to explain your logic?

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  3. 3-coil (1,219 comments) says:

    How long before the Maori Party put forward a honky candidate?

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  4. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    I think you forgot Honest Hone Carter in your 96 count

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  5. ciaron (1,431 comments) says:

    Something we can thank the decision to move to MMP for.

    Really?

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  6. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    Ben Couch was a long time general electorate MP (Wairarapa?). Labour kept Maori in the general electorate seats ghetto. Irrespective of MMP, this was going to happen.

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  7. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    It will be tough for Hayes to win this seat, but not impossible.

    The 2008 result was interesting, Curran won as a new candidate with a healthy vote, her electorate vote was higher than the party vote, while National and Greens, the only other 1000+ results, where about equal candidate/party. It looks like Curran got just about all of the NZ First vote (they didn’t stand a candidate).

    Labour – Curran 19,199 party vote 17,408
    National – Powell 12,750 party vote 12,742
    Greens – Gallagher 2,511 party vote 2,971
    NZ First – no candidate, party vote 1,700

    I don’t think Powell was a strong candidate (he got 9393 in 2005), but I don’t Hayes has much of a profile either, so she has a lot of work to do. Curran got quite a bit of pre-publicity as the Benson-Pope replacement.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunedin_South

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  8. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    3-coil-“How long before the Maori Party put forward a honky candidate?”

    They stood a Pakeha candidate in East Coast in 2005.

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  9. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    “Do you care to explain your logic?”

    To increase your party vote under MMP, you have to reach out to different demographs. There was less of a need to do this under FPP.

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  10. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    No wonder Hayes doesn’t have a profile here, she’s from up north and isn’t shifting down until June.
    Difficult job if she is going to make the electorate a serious contest.

    I can’t remember National having a strong contestant in Dunedin South.

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  11. tvb (4,418 comments) says:

    Maori are moving onto the middle class professions in far greater numbers. Back in 1996 Georgina was the first female lawyer. Now there are many many female Maori lawyers. I know at least three for instance. The national party easily selects people of Maori descent and there will be many more.

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  12. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @Shazzadude 2:26 pm

    Thanks. that was what I was going to say. Prior to MMP, National was very much dominated by middle-aged or elderly white men.

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  13. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Prior to MMP, National was very much dominated by middle-aged or elderly white men.

    Sound’s like Act now. That’s a serious issue if they have ambitions of 15%.

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  14. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    Still, they had Ben Couch in a general electorate. Well before Labour did the same.

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  15. reid (16,442 comments) says:

    To increase your party vote under MMP, you have to reach out to different demographs. There was less of a need to do this under FPP.

    I disagree there was less need to do this under FPP. I think the dynamics of the need were different but the same principle always applies. You can’t capture floaters unless you reach out and it’s always the extent to which you successfully do so which wins the govt bench.

    MMP has simply meant the various needs have become more fragmented instead of being cohesive as they used to be. You get middle-class housewives who previously voted National, now voting Green for example. But the same need applies.

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  16. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    ” dominated by middle-aged or elderly white men.”

    A group of people Toad hates with a passion.

    How do you deal with the awful fact that you are a white man Toad?….life must be unbearable.

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  17. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Race – regardless of what is – is NOT a job qualification.

    Try Hones Haters for that sort of thing.

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  18. big bruv (13,886 comments) says:

    Chicks have no place in our political system, the only ones who have been any good were/are Richardson and Judith Collins, the rest are, or were, a complete waste of time.

    They have better things to do with their time.

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  19. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    big bruv>How do you deal with the awful fact that you are a white man Toad?….life must be unbearable.

    The Green MP roster is pretty white looking overall… with only one Maori in their group of 9 MPs, no Asians and no Pasifika they are far less diverse than the parliamentary National Party. On the other hand, they’ve brought the average age of their MPs down recently… for a while they had the oldest average age in parliament if you ignored Anderton and Dunne.

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  20. Bob R (1,371 comments) says:

    ***Prior to MMP, National was very much dominated by middle-aged or elderly white men.***

    Heh, Jon Stewart’s liberal gathering in Washington DC also appeared to be dominated by whites.

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/017733.html

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  21. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    “The Green MP roster is pretty white looking overall… with only one Maori in their group of 9 MPs,”

    Two-David Clendon is Ngapuhi.

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  22. backster (2,171 comments) says:

    I wonder how many notional full blood Maoris would result from the sum total of Maori blood that the members of “maori descent’ have.

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  23. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    It may not be too long before we see the abolition of the Maori seats, brought about by way of a solid vote from a couple of dozen Maori MPs in general electorates.

    I’d say less than twenty years. Of course that simply means the Maori Party would stand candidates in general electorates of predominantly Maori population and still win their share of seats – might not be so many. Dr Sharples would have no trouble but idiots like Harawira might have their work cut out, though.

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  24. Rick Rowling (813 comments) says:

    Prior to MMP, National was very much dominated by middle-aged or elderly white men.

    Like someone’s description of company boards in NZ – “Male, pale and stale”.

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  25. ben (2,379 comments) says:

    Zero time for race-based anything. MPs, statistics, scholarships, handouts. It is the most base tribalism.

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  26. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Prior to MMP, National was very much dominated by middle-aged or elderly white men.

    Sound’s like Act now. That’s a serious issue if they have ambitions of 15%.

    Not really. 15% of the population is still only 20% of all the white people. Less if you factor in lower enrollment/voting rates amongst minority groups. But I can see it might be a problem if you wanted at least 40% of the vote, as National do.

    Something we can thank the decision to move to MMP for.

    Again, not really. It’s the changing nature of politics, the changing of socio-economic demographics, and the change in NZ society overall. If anything it has been the Maori seats which has forced Maori into the political ghetto. It says everything about the Labour Party especially, who have won the Maori vote since the late 1930s, that Louisa Wall will be their FIRST EVER GENERAL ROLL ELECTORATE MP! (I put it in caps because it still blows my mind, and disgusts me)

    The reality is that since the economic reforms of the ’80s and early ’90s, many Maori simply moved into the middle class, and started feeling more at home with National than Labour. This has bred quality candidates. There was also the realisation that National governments have, since the 1930s, done far more for Maori than Labour ones, in almost every way possible – and especially the Bolger government’s treaty settlements. If you look at Labour, even though they have increased their Maori MPs since the event of MMP, it’s all been token, largely talentless party hacks. Whereas National, perhaps with the exception of Ms Te Heuheu herself, has simply promoted people on merit (and Tau Henare because he was persistent).

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  27. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Your memory fails you somewhat, David.

    I do recall a certain National MP of Maori descent that pre dated Te Heuheu. This chap had a penchant for pin striped suits and represented Hunua in 1978. He went on to represent Tauranga in 1984. His brother Ian was also an MP for National. Both were affiliated with Ngati Wai.

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  28. Dazzaman (1,140 comments) says:

    I wonder how many notional full blood Maoris would result from the sum total of Maori blood that the members of “maori descent’ have.

    What’s your point? Some is enough. Any more dumb statements?

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  29. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Before Ben Couch (who was not as silly as some in the media made him out to be) there was an Austin (first name escapes me) as MP for one of the Southland electorates. I think he was the first Maori in any party then to be selected for a general seat.

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  30. Manolo (13,754 comments) says:

    Zero time for race-based anything. MPs, statistics, scholarships, handouts.

    I agree. Let’s stop the gravy train once and for all.

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  31. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    After MMP, the greens are very much dominated by socialist whiteys.

    Discuss.

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  32. david (2,557 comments) says:

    HEH backster are you suggesting we create FME along similar lines to FTE’s so that we could have our race quotas set at 3.4 FME out of 16.7 FTE employees for example?

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  33. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Rex Austin, Awarua (1975 1978 1981 1984)
    Ben Couch, Wairarapa (1975 1978 1981)

    But they were both pre-dated by James Carrol:

    Carroll first stood for Parliament in 1884, unsuccessfully contesting the Eastern Maori seat. By the 1887 election, John Ballance’s paternalistic Native Land Administration Act of 1886, which proposed leasing Māori lands through a government commissioner, was a major issue. Carroll, an opponent of the act, won the seat.

    …decided to stand for the General Electorate of Waiapu. He won this seat in 1893, the first time a Māori was elected to a General Electorate seat.

    In 1899, he became the Native Minister on the Liberal Government, the first cabinet minister of Māori descent. He established the Māori Councils Act, which allowed local Māori committees to deal with health, sanitation and liquor control, and the Māori land councils, controlled by Māori and which could sell or lease land.

    Twice in the Liberal Government, Carroll acted as Prime Minister, and his status was confirmed by the awarding of the KCMG becoming the first Maori to be knighted. Carroll continued to represent the General Electorate seat of Gisborne until 1919, when he was defeated by Douglas Lynsar.

    In 1921, Carroll was appointed to the Legislative Council by Prime Minister William Massey. From the Upper House of New Zealand, he was able to support Apirana Ngata and other rising Māori leaders.

    Interesting. I hadn’t known that.

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  34. reid (16,442 comments) says:

    Zero time for race-based anything. MPs, statistics, scholarships, handouts. It is the most base tribalism.

    No, it’s not Ben. Maori representation is the consultation they crave. Consult Maori that’s all they want. Consultation means having a real say in the outcome, as well, even given they are the minority partner. It’s vital and till we do that across the board in local as well as national we will continue to have a problem. Maori don’t want this because they simply think they are special, this is wrapped up in their mana. And we know what mana means to them. It doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot to non-Maori, but its the same as face is to Asians. Caucasians don’t seem to have the same concept, nor do Africans. That doesn’t mean others don’t.

    Its part of the Waitangi price, is how I look at it. And anyone whose lived here and know Maori get to know what mana means to them and it’s something we can’t change and we can’t remove and it’s just there, like face is to Asians. So it’s not going to go away. And what’s the big deal, anyway. What would it cost, really. The national seats are already in place, so tick. Across local govt? Well why not just make a decision not to impose it but let each council decide when, maybe have a referenda on it whenever they want. What’s wrong with that policy? Which hello, is the current one. Just drop the opposition to it, and let it proceed at its own pace.

    If after having read that, you still think this is about special rights, so no, can I suggest you spend a bit of time considering it from their perspective as well?

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  35. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    Yes, Rex Austin. I thought he was earlier than 1975. I can still see him — thin build, short grey hair, dark eyes and eyebrows. Smoker. He might have been a doctor.

    I knew about Carroll. From memory he was one of four leading Maoris elected to Parliament in the late 1800s — Apirana Ngata, Peter Buck, Carroll, and Maui Pomare.

    Grandsons of Ngata and Pomare both stood for National in Maori seats. Dr Pomare told me that he’d joined National because Labour was taking the Maori vote for granted. That was in the mid 60s.

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  36. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    because Labour was taking the Maori vote for granted.

    They were still taking the Maori vote for granted up to the last election. There must have been a lot of spluttering in Labour coffee cups when National took the Maori Party into coalition – that was a huge “up yours” to Labour and well deserved. Some in Labour seem to be hoping that Mana will wipe the Maori Party out of contention, so they still don’t get it.

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  37. gravedodger (1,566 comments) says:

    @slightlyrighty 03 19 I thought the iwi of that family was Ngati Takoha Moni.

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  38. Bob R (1,371 comments) says:

    ***It may not be too long before we see the abolition of the Maori seats, brought about by way of a solid vote from a couple of dozen Maori MPs in general electorates.***

    I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

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  39. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    The cosultation they crave. They? Are they not New Zealanders? Are they not able to vote?

    What a load of condescending crap the applogists for racism talk. Either “Maori”, whatever the hell that means, are full citizens with the same rights and privilages as everyone else, be they white, pink green or yellow, or they are outside out deomcratic process.

    Whats your pick?

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  40. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    Slightlyrighty: “Your memory fails you somewhat, David.

    I do recall a certain National MP of Maori descent that pre dated Te Heuheu. This chap had a penchant for pin striped suits and represented Hunua in 1978. He went on to represent Tauranga in 1984. His brother Ian was also an MP for National. Both were affiliated with Ngati Wai.”

    Neither were a current National MP when Georgina Te Heuheu was first elected to parliament.

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  41. Shazzadude (529 comments) says:

    “It says everything about the Labour Party especially, who have won the Maori vote since the late 1930s, that Louisa Wall will be their FIRST EVER GENERAL ROLL ELECTORATE MP! (I put it in caps because it still blows my mind, and disgusts me)”

    Georgina Beyers?

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  42. KH (695 comments) says:

    #Pete George at 2.21
    Conway Powell standing in South Dunedin for National was a strong candidate indeed. Pulled the National Party vote up by determination, sheer hard work and wearing down shoe leather. In an electorate where Labour a has historical constituency near solid as concrete. He is a great guy personally too. (as are many MPs of all parties)
    Mind you the opponent was Benson-Pope who didn’t help his own cause.
    The current Labour MP is Clare Curran, who must be regarded as a weak opponent. (although a good woman personally)
    But it would be remarkable if Labour lost this particular electorate.

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  43. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    Yes, I was thinking of a certain gentleman from Tauranga as well. He was a very high profile National MP of Maori descent. Talked about as a potential prime minister too – he understudied Rob Muldoon very well. Unfortunately, he had a bit of difficulty with the hard work, and didn’t fulfill his potential. Still, very few do I guess.

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  44. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    My in laws were staunch Liarbore voters, which was much to my amusement. If Liarbore did something stupid or they disagreed with their polices, common occurrence, I would question if they still supported Liarbore. “It’s what we have always done, it’s what Ratana supports and what tribal leaders tell us to vote for”. Can’t argue with logic like that. The point is Maori no longer belong to the tribe, most are urban, educated and are now spread around the country, overseas and live far from their tribal roots . The power of Tribe, Iwi, Hapu are far less influential then it once was. Maori are slowly been liberated and many now vote for whom they believe and not who they have been told to vote for. This is probably more the reason Maori now stand for various political parties rather then any political system.

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  45. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Toad has become a troll.

    Toad is also racist. Maori needed mmp, couldn’t have done it without that. Maori always need help eh toad

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  46. reid (16,442 comments) says:

    The cosultation they crave. They?

    Er, yes?

    Are they not New Zealanders?

    No, they’re Maori.

    Are they not able to vote?

    Yes.

    Now some questions for you?

    Do we have mana?

    If not does that mean other people don’t have it and to them, it’s as real as face is to Asians?

    If the answer is no, does that mean NZers as a whole should recognise that as a trait Maori have, or not?

    If the answer is no, does that mean NZers as a whole should promulgate policies that negate a human trait?

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  47. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    It’s a trend…..
    In America ‘African Americans’ are leaving their traditional Party, Democratic Party, in greater numbers.
    The Democrats (Like Labour) have always played (And still are) the race card. They play ‘African Americans’ against ‘White Americans’, ‘Latinos’ against ‘White Americans’ and ‘African Americans’ against ‘Latinos’. ‘African Americans’ and ‘Latinos’ are not supposed to vote for Republican/ Tea Party candidates but they do…
    What is worse (For the Democratic Party), ‘African Americans’ are now not only voting for Republican/ Tea party candidates, they are also standing as Conservative/ Tea Party candidates and are winning seats in areas where the majority of the voters are ‘White Americans’.
    Two examples of very popular ‘African American’ Conservative/ Tea Party reps are Allen West, a Republican U.S. Representative from Florida’s 22nd congressional district and Herman Cain, who is considering a run for president in 2012 on the Republican Party ticket.
    Herman Cain has said he did not want to stay on the Democratic “Plantation”.
    Cains defection is so scary to the left that they’ve already hurled vicious racist epithets at him.
    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-not-herman-cain/?singlepage=true

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  48. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Georgina Beyers?

    Oh yeah…

    You know, she made so much at the time of being a ladyboy that I forgot entirely she was also one of the bros. Possibly I could be forgiven for that?

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  49. questlove (242 comments) says:

    It’s great that MMP has resulted in more National MPs having Maori decent.

    But, being of Maori decent doesn’t necessitate that they were elected by Maori and have a mandate to represent Maori interests.

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  50. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Little known fact: African Americans actually have their own congressional seats in the US. They are euphemistically called “minority-majority” seats, in which districts are deliberately gerrymandered and cut into as many slivers and pieces as possible by Democrats in order to procure districts mostly populated by black people. That’s how nutbars like Sheila Jackson Lee get elected. (Fortunately her seat is in Texas, where Republicans now control redistricting for the first time in 140 years.) All the Black Democrats in congress are elected to these seats. The handful of Republican Blacks have had to rough it in White majority districts.

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  51. dave (988 comments) says:

    Shazzadude ” It says everything about the Labour Party especially, who have won the Maori vote since the late 1930s, that Louisa Wall will be their FIRST EVER GENERAL ROLL ELECTORATE MP! (I put it in caps because it still blows my mind, and disgusts me)”

    Jill Pettis, Georgina Beyer

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  52. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Good god Murray you are doing a history degree yet make the suggestion that Maori have always had equality.
    Maybe a touch more study ?

    If we had all that equality why did wounded veterans from the Pioneer Battalion get no payments unlike the whiter shade of pale ?

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  53. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    questlove (148) Says:

    “But, being of Maori decent doesn’t necessitate that they were elected by Maori and have a mandate to represent Maori interests.”

    Have you got any idea how racist that sounds?
    Probably not.

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  54. georgebolwing (846 comments) says:

    I am with Reid.

    How a country treats its minorities is the hallmark of its civilisation.

    To be ruled by the majority, for the majority, is the greatest curse that can befall any society.

    That great charter of liberty, the US Bill of Rights, has provisions that ensure that minorities enjoy their unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not at the whim of the majority, but because they are their rights too.

    New Zealand is poorer for not having similar protections for all our peoples.

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  55. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    Today National has eight MPs of Maori descent.

    Well, duh. These days, the class interests National represents include a significant number of Maori – people like Joanne Hayes, for instance. It ain’t rocket science.

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  56. James (1,338 comments) says:

    To be ruled by the majority, for the majority, is the greatest curse that can befall any society.

    That great charter of liberty, the US Bill of Rights, has provisions that ensure that minorities enjoy their unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness not at the whim of the majority, but because they are their rights too.

    New Zealand is poorer for not having similar protections for all our peoples.

    The smallest and most oppressed minority is the individual,regardless of colour,creed or other factor.That’s what the US constitution was for….individual rights protection against those who claimed to represent the majority opinion.

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  57. James (1,338 comments) says:

    questlove (148) Says:

    But, being of Maori decent doesn’t necessitate that they were elected by Maori and have a mandate to represent Maori interests.”

    Have you got any idea how racist that sounds?
    Probably not.

    Maybe that’s because it isn’t racist?…or were you being sarcastic….?

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  58. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    :D

    David, that’s all well and dandy. But in future please whisper into Key’s earlobe as often as possible in the lead up to his next caucus selection:

    ‘I SHALL NOT APPOINT AN MP OF MAORI DESCENT AS MINISTER OF PACIFIC ISLAND AFFAIRS – ESPECIALLY WHERE THERE ARE COMPETENT PASEFIKA MP’S WITHIN THE CAB RANK TO CHOOSE FROM’.

    Sincerely

    David Farrar.

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  59. Tauhei Notts (1,711 comments) says:

    I hope this isn’t too far off topic but let me tell you a story from yesterday.
    We were driving near Aongatete and saw two hitchhikers. Yes, we will give them a lift. They told us they were a couple of pickers from Vanuatu. Later, over coffee, she who must be obeyed commented that, following the rant of Harawira et al, had the hitchhikers been Maori we would not have stopped to give them a lift.
    It makes you wonder just how much good Harawira is doing for the Maori people.
    S.F.A., and that doesn’t stand for Save the French Aristocracy.

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  60. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    James (1,188) Says:
    But, being of Maori decent doesn’t necessitate that they were elected by Maori and have a mandate to represent Maori interests.”
    Have you got any idea how racist that sounds?
    Probably not.
    Maybe that’s because it isn’t racist?…or were you being sarcastic….?

    Being a sufferer of Cognitive Disequilibrium, of course I was being sarcastic.
    Any unracist who suggests the blackwhite statement above is duckspeak should be visited by Propdep.

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  61. frankflintstone (68 comments) says:

    Clem Simich in Tamaki from 1992.

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  62. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    Gee the National Socialist party is SO original. One maori shiela retires and she is replaced with another maori shiela. This new one is she boss of some tribal outfit which is probably pivotal to the legalised theft of our tax money to pad the lifestyles of the maoritocracy, so she’ll obviously have a bright future in the new socialist/racist political alliance.

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