Labour makes it personal

August 18th, 2011 at 6:38 pm by David Farrar

Sarah Young in the Mail reports:

Labour is recruiting “captains” to “wipe the smug grin” from Nelson MP ’s face, but he was not smiling about the ploy today.

Dr Smith says Labour MP ’s letter to Labour supporters asking for help with election campaigning is “pretty snide, negative stuff”.

The letter, signed by Labour’s campaign co-ordinator Kate Reilly, calls on people to “make a difference” by becoming a street captain to “motivate and mobilise voters on the day”.

“If we get it right we can be rid of Nick Smith as an electorate MP.

“It’s not complicated but it is important if you want to wipe that smug grin off Nick’s face.”

When I was a campaign manager, I never advocated nastiness towards my candidate’s opponent (Marian Hobbs). To the contrary I made a point of only saying positive things her in a personal, not political, sense.

Most voters don’t like the personal nastiness, and while the stuff about Nick is pretty mild (for Labour) it perhaps helps explain why Street lost the seat by 8,500 votes.

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45 Responses to “Labour makes it personal”

  1. jaba (2,120 comments) says:

    nasty politics is the Labour Party way, I am surprised 2 Streets would stoop to such tactics though

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  2. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Imagine if she had referred to Smith in the same manner as a few of the comments on Kiwiblog. He doesn’t appear to be very popular on this blog, for some reason.

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  3. Monty (975 comments) says:

    Labour have run out of bullets so are having to resort to throwing the gun.

    This typifies labour as the Nasty party. Hopefully Nick Smith will be returned with an increased majority.

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  4. Andrei (2,553 comments) says:

    Dr Smith says Labour MP Maryan Street’s letter to Labour supporters asking for help with election campaigning is “pretty snide, negative stuff”.

    If you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen
    Harry S Truman

    And unlike poor liddle diddums Nick Smith Harry S Truman never went whining to a friendly reporter when people said nasty things about him and they did.

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  5. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    “Smug grin” is nastiness?

    Talk about thin skin.

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  6. owene (1 comment) says:

    Well for my part, Nick has done a huge amount for Nelson and remembering that he has little spare time as a cabinet minister, has to be admired for his energy. On the other hand Miz Street is frequently seen wandering aimlessly around Nelson looking for someone to talk to and I guess this latest effort is a sinking ship attempt at reconstructing the broken army. In fact, this begs the question – she’s had three years with nothing else to do so why hasn’t she managed to get her army all lined up and disciplined in that time?

    So Maryan – if you do place one of your Red Army conscripts on sentry duty outside my door, be warned. I will power up the 38mm mortar and show you what I think of your bedraggled group and its tactics.

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  7. Tauhei Notts (1,683 comments) says:

    To hear how nefarious the Labour people are, listen to the horror stories coming out of Auckland Len’s voting statistics in South Auckland last October.
    In one house in South Auckland thirty nine people had their postal votes lodged for them in the mayoralty election. There are several more horror stories to come.

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  8. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Why do Liarbore want to depose the mad doctor, shouldn’t they be offering him a job. He’d be a top candidate for Goofy’s, suck the carbon tax out of the bastards, wet dream.

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  9. Andrei (2,553 comments) says:

    Are you kidding me?

    This isn’t nasty it’s electioneering.

    Own goal

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  10. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Wiping is futile. Find a paper bag :)

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  11. Aredhel777 (290 comments) says:

    I don’t vote Labour and don’t have any intention of voting Labour in the election, but I don’t really see the problem with this. It’s what I would expect as a politician.

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  12. ben (2,375 comments) says:

    To be fair, Nick Smith’s position on climate means he deserves everything he gets. I might say ‘go Labour’ if I thought they would be any better.

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  13. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Isn’t Marion one of those homer sexuals that are destroying the world there Andrei?, you vascillating nit wit.

    Last night the homo’s were the devil incarnate tonight the fags are just electioneering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  14. Mick Mac (1,091 comments) says:

    What do you expect from the progressive left?
    This is nothing new.

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  15. Scott Chris (6,036 comments) says:

    DPF: “Most voters don’t like the personal nastiness”

    Exactly. This was precisely the reason why I switched allegiance from Labour to National in 2008.

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  16. Andrei (2,553 comments) says:

    I’m no fan of Maryan Street or Labour for that matter, Pauleastbay.

    I just call it like I see it and this is Dr Smith making a mountain out of a molehill and making himself look extremely foolish in the process.

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  17. RandySavage (211 comments) says:

    As a Nelsonian I can honestly Maryann Street is one of the coldest most aloof people you could wish to meet. Nobody I speak to likes or would vote for the woman

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  18. thedavincimode (6,633 comments) says:

    ” … to motivate and mobilise voters on the day …”

    To do anything in particular?

    At least the slug Williams had a plan – off to KFC.

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  19. Bob R (1,362 comments) says:

    Is it because people who identify as left wing tend to see themselves as morally superior that they are justified in being rude to opponents? From the childish insults of Trevor Mallard, to the condescending arrogance of Judith Tizard, for people who are supposedly compassionate they can be really nasty.

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  20. Courage Wolf (557 comments) says:

    RandySavage (36) Says:
    August 18th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    As a Nelsonian I can honestly Maryann Street is one of the coldest most aloof people you could wish to meet. Nobody I speak to likes or would vote for the woman

    As a Nelsonian I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea what Nick Smith does exactly for this electorate. It would appear that most people tend to just say that HE DOES A LOT FOR HIS ELECTORATE as if that was a self-evident axiom when in reality it’s just simply the fact that he has become a Jim Andertonisque dinosaur who has been around so long that people just sort of accept that he is the Nelson MP.

    It all comes down to lack of competition. No-one wants to challenge Nick for the nomination like Key did with Helensville because all the young people leave and old people are here to retire.

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  21. TM (99 comments) says:

    The Doc appears to be a capable person, but always comes across poorly. He simultaneously manages to piss off many right wing climate change skeptics with the ETS and piss off left wing environmentalists with his water quality policy.

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  22. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    CW,

    I interpret from previous comments (over months) that you are an ACT supporter. What’s it to you who does or doesn’t challenge Nick Smith for the National Party candidacy?

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  23. Courage Wolf (557 comments) says:

    Nothing. I’m merely pointing out that there is no competition – including no competition from ACT candidates.

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  24. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    CW,

    If you truly believe that then you could choose to be that competition within ACT

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  25. Courage Wolf (557 comments) says:

    Maybe in a few years’ time when I have more real-world experience under my belt and enough money to take time off and do it voluntarily.

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  26. RF (1,371 comments) says:

    Whilst I am not a fan of smith the alternative i.e. Street brings me out in boils. What an evil piece of shit. From memory she poured our ACC funds down the drain when her dog breath party was in Govt.

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  27. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    ETS has support of national’s Cabinet and Caucus. National needs to be doing something in this area or risks a significant leakage of support to the Greens. If Nick was hit by a bus in Trafalgar Street, ETS almost certainly would be retained as a policy.

    Nick’s thumping personal majority speaks for itself. Nelson is marginally labour on party vote. There is a big chunk of Nelson electors who vote Nick Smith as their electorate MP and give their party vote to Labour.

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  28. niggly (817 comments) says:

    Well, it all kinda looks amusing at first (ya know, what one would expect of pollies, especially Labour ones I suppose) but get what Street says in the media article linked to:

    Ms Street said she was surprised by Dr Smith’s response.

    “Poor man, he’s very sensitive, isn’t he?”

    It was just a fun way of organising a turnout, and it was no secret her campaign was about trying to oust Dr Smith, she said.

    Good old Street … not. Condescending, smug herself (was she projecting?), playing the issue down by saying it was just some fun, no contrite or acknowledgement of her negative campaign style.

    But I suppose, Street should just keep that attitude up, after all most kiwi’s rejected that Labour arrogance in November 2008 so at least the voters in November 2011 will be reminded that Street and her ilk haven’t changed their spots. Street’s reward will be another three years in the political wilderness :-)

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  29. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    Look Street is a piece of work – one of the more aggressive and nasty members of the sisterhood – but Smith needs to man up. These sorts of threats are par for the course in today’s more polarized political environment. It shows how desperate Labour are to resort to such tactics to jolly up their campaign workers but Smith has dignified the tactic by commenting. He should’ve stayed publicly silent whilst privately mocking and let his 2011 majority do the talking. As a campaign manager the opposing camp would find ways to publicly get under your skin to cause you to change tactics or panic – Smith and his team should just double down to wipe the smirk off Street’s face.

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  30. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I don’t understand. Is Dr. Smith admitting he has a smug grin? Is he declaring that reference to it is snide? Does he deny it? Or is he suggesting that to invite others to make reference to his grinning style is snide/negative?

    But come on, this is like watching someone attacking an elephant with a feather duster, then having to endure the elephant’s howls of victimisation. It’s hardly like they asked him if he’s still beating his wife, is it?

    Frankly I see this as a bit of an anti-Labour dogwhistle – but it hurts Dr. Smith’s public image more than dents Street’s. I’m tempted to say to Dr. Smith – Like I say to my boy:

    ‘Toughen up, ya wimp!’ -

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  31. KiwiGreg (3,234 comments) says:

    Smith versus Street – just glad I dont live in Nelson – talk about Nelson’s choice (or was it Hobson’s?)

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  32. RRM (9,786 comments) says:

    Absolutely. Tell us what good YOU would do for the area/country.

    Bitching the other guy out doesn’t impress me, it just makes you look like a bitch.

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  33. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    I thought campaigning on the day was illegal? not that labour would be bothered by that.

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  34. Lance (2,629 comments) says:

    Personal experience and history has led me to conclude I despise Labour’s tactics and what they stand for.
    Nothing is too low and no lie too great.
    I never used to be interested in politics that much until I saw those fuckers in action circa 2001 over the Waitakere ranges protection bill. They had deception, lying, disruption and misdirection down to an art form. They fucked over good people and even tried to have a public meeting banned.
    Nick Smith turned up to that meeting and went into bat for the good people against those shit heads.

    This is just further reinforcement of that view that Nick is a good guy being hassled by low life

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  35. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    Poor Nick.

    It’s not a “smug grin”; it’s the drugs that do it.

    He don’t like the drugs,
    But the drugs like him.

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  36. Elaycee (4,356 comments) says:

    No surprises – people usually revert to type when they come under pressure.

    Buckle up for plenty more of this crap before the election….

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  37. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    MNIJ

    Don’t knock the pills – if they work for Nick good on him. We have enough unmedicated MPs as it is.

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  38. big bruv (13,689 comments) says:

    MNIJ

    “He don’t like the drugs,
    But the drugs like him.”

    How do you know so much about drugs?, did you ask the junkie Darien Fenton?

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  39. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    BB –

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  40. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    ‘Coalition spokesman and right-wing blogger David Farrar said the billboards targeted Prime Minister Helen Clark, New Zealand First Leader Winston Peters and United Future Leader Peter Dunne. Miss Clark’s Auckland billboard pictures Fiji’s coup leader Frank Bainimarama saying: “I salute Helen Clark’s anti-democracy plotters. The Electoral Finance Act is a real coup”.’

    Billboards comparing people to dictators, that’s just fine, but say someone has a ‘smug grin’ now that’s just plain nasty.

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  41. backster (2,142 comments) says:

    It’s unfortunate that Maryann is incapable of attracting a strikingly attractive female to her side in which case she would be able to try a different tactic.

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  42. marsman (9 comments) says:

    Nasty and personal? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1_F4Ue2ocM

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  43. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    Put it Away – Getting people out to vote is not ‘campaigning on election day’. It is quite OK to target those who will probably vote for your party to remind them to get out and vote and even offer them a ride to the booth.

    Hoarding etc are not OK but party colour ribbons and supporters (including scrutineers) wearing rosettes is quite OK (one returning officer please note – party logo on rosette is quite OK).

    In the Mana by-election last year, there were hoards of union officials with clipboards swarming around Porirua East and Waitangirua trying uncessfully to get people off their arses into the booths.

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  44. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Personally I don’t see the problem with campaigning on election day. If people are so mindless that their vote is decided on a whim due to some meaningless election day campaigning then so be it. It’s their vote. If they want to let themselves be influenced in such a way then that’s their business. They’re adults aren’t they?

    How is it any different from all the other stupid reasons people use to decide their vote? In my view the law shouldn’t be trying to regulate what it thinks are good and bad reasons for an individual to base their vote on.

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  45. Positan (382 comments) says:

    Having now read the article, I’d have to say that its general tone is discernibly pro-Labour and anti-Nick Smith. It may have been just the poorly-edited slant of the individual reporter, but I’m told that while more often than not Nelson Mail articles are supportive of Labour, this particular one really outdid itself in attempting to denigrate Nick Smith.

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