Labour v Leitch

October 1st, 2011 at 10:59 am by David Farrar

doesn’t seem to learn. I’m now awaiting their attack on Richie McCaw. The Herald reports:

Rugby-netball double international is sticking up for fellow Labour MP over her attack on the public “bromance” between the Mad Butcher Sir and Prime Minister John Key. …

But Ms Wall, who is back in Parliament for a second stint as a list MP, said the comments were misinterpreted, and she shared the disappointment at Sir Peter’s support for Mr Key – despite admiring his work.

 “We would have assumed Sir Peter was a working-class champion,” Ms Wall said.
But instead he is a class traitor, is the implication.
Ms Wall, who is contesting the safe Labour seat of Manurewa, said “personal is political”, and Sir Peter could not endorse Mr Key without endorsing his policies.
So if you say something nice about the Prime Minister, Labour thinks it means you hate working people.
The issue made the editorial of the NZ herald today:
For Ms Fenton, though, his broadcast utterances were political treason. That any member of the country’s working class could speak well of a “Tory” leader is anathema. Unthinkable. Unforgivable.

The Mad Butcher was shocked by her withering personal rejection and the attempt to denounce him for saying what he thinks. His former butchery business was also stunned by an inference some had taken that a Labour MP was calling for a boycott of the Mad Butcher stores, many of them in rock-solid Labour seats.

The Fenton comments would have been politically dumb and personally reprehensible at any time, given Sir Peter’s record for serving the communities the MP purports to represent.

But her timing, amid Sir Peter’s well-publicised but tentative recovery from cancer and the joy of all league fans at the Warriors’ late season success, was particularly damaging.
And lets loose in the NBR:

Labour has also rounded on Sir Peter Leitch, the Mad Butcher, who, after strongly supporting Helen Clark, now favours John Key. 

Labour List MP Darien Fenton declared she was, and I quote her directly, “never going near him again.” While he was “good in the past” he had “gone way out on a limb.” When asked whether it wouldn’t be better to try to win back his vote, she replied, and again I quote her directly: “Why?” Ms Fenton is guaranteed to be re-elected as a list MP, at the expense of quality Labour people like Kelvin Davis and Stuart Nash, who are both doomed.

At thestandard.org.nz, a blog written by Labour and union staffers and other leftist activists, the attacks on Sir Peter, who won his knighthood for services to philanthropy and the community, were even more vicious. One, defended on free-speech grounds by the blog administrators, was: “I wish the Mad Butcher would hurry up and die.”

Hooton concludes:

Such attacks on the Greens, left-leaning academics, the media and the popular Mad Butcher (in the very week his beloved Warriors will finally win the NRL!) suggest some kind of derangement syndrome caused by Labour’s fury at Mr Key’s popularity.

These people have learned nothing from their defeat in 2008. They despise the voters, whom they regard as ignorant and wrong. Unless such bitter and paranoid individuals lose influence within Labour, New Zealand won’t benefit from proper opposition until late 2014 at the earliest.

Matthew has commented that he received more positive feedback on this column, than any other he has written.

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43 Responses to “Labour v Leitch”

  1. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Could be time that any serious politican in labour look to find a politicla party to join. This rabble are an offense to New Zealander voter.

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  2. reid (15,917 comments) says:

    Unless such bitter and paranoid individuals lose influence within Labour, New Zealand won’t benefit from proper opposition until late 2014 at the earliest

    Beautiful.

    I mean.

    Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

    Seriously though, this is “Progressive” politics. These people really think they know better than anyone else, what’s good for them. Isn’t that just so utterly and completely so fucked one doesn’t quite know where to start? But that is in fact what they really do think.

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  3. big bruv (13,217 comments) says:

    The late Norman Kirk was rightly suspicious of the influx of academics and life long unionists into the Labour party as far back as the late 60′s and early 70′s. He saw these people as chardonnay socialists who had no real empathy with the working man.

    Kirk found them to be arrogant of any opinion that was no one of their own or one formed in the halls of ouuniversitieses, Kirk also felt they were out of touch and (ironically given the comments of a certain current Labour MP) self serving.

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  4. Rich Prick (1,538 comments) says:

    Would some one please pass the popcorn.

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  5. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    They despise the voters, whom they regard as ignorant and wrong.

    Anyone who supports high taxes on alcohol and tobacco is signalling such contempt.

    Anyone who opposes the legalisation of marijuana…

    I could go on.

    National is no better than Labour.

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  6. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Whats your answer then wat, vote labour because they’re just as shit as national? Wow you should go into marketing.

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  7. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    Murray,

    I think that’s what they call a non sequitur (or maybe I’ve just been debating with FE Smith too much.)

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  8. Red Sam (122 comments) says:

    Labour are toast if they keep mouthing off with garbage, such as personal attacks on people like the Mad Butcher, Bryce Edwards, etc. Labour’s comments just come across as arrogant and ‘know it all’ liberal middle class.

    This left wing, vegetarian, queer school teacher won’t be giving them my vote this year.

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  9. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    I wonder if this will go down in political history as the week that Labour lost Auckland.

    Things aren’t looking that flash for National but Labour keeps coming along and rescuing them.

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  10. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Political rule 101

    It actually begars belief that with all the obvious negative reaction
    to Dariens spitefilled rant regarding Sir Peter we now find that Louisa Wall has
    jumped into the hole, grabbed the spade and is helping dig.

    Two birds of a feather, revealed as nasty pieces of work, same ilk.

    And the truly amazing thing is that Louisa is so thick, so very, very thick that she
    obviously just doesn’t get it.
    Can’t get it actually. Incapable . Oblivious.

    These two einsteins will form part of some future Labour government. OMG

    i note that on Labours blogsite plenty of disgusted, despairing Labour supporters are
    pleading with these morons to STFU
    Demonstrating that not all Labourites are so nasty and shallow.

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  11. Grizz (500 comments) says:

    {”We would have assumed Sir Peter was a working-class champion,” Ms Wall said}

    The Problem is, Labour are not the true champions of the working class anymore. They do not like it when the working classes become successful. When that happens they can no longer control them.

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  12. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Yes Sam come towards the light. Praise the Lord another soul is saved.

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  13. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    Extraordinary, but hardly outside of Labour’s behaviour of the last few years.

    Come to think of it, when *was* they last time they didn’t act like they were entitled to everything?

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  14. UpandComer (506 comments) says:

    Unbelievable. This attitude is appalling. This is actually much worse then a mere liberal superiority complex.

    It is clear that Labour doesn’t care about you, just your vote.

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  15. Bob (478 comments) says:

    I take it Labour members are paranoid and despise success. I hate the term “working class”. The days when people occupied set slots in society are gone. Todays worker can be tomorrows successful businessman.

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  16. gopolks (102 comments) says:

    Labour is showing their true colours, they couldn’t care less about the average kiwi, its all about ideology, heck the rip into the mad butcher a man who has done so much, this is why they are going to have their worst election result in history.

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  17. tvb (4,196 comments) says:

    Labour’s message is if you don’t support us you will be hated and what’s more you will stay hated. Fenton looks like a troll from a horror movie, she is that ugly from her junkie past.

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  18. Ed Snack (1,733 comments) says:

    This really reinforces my belief that the primary force motivating much of the old left is hatred, which is not a particularly noble calling. Most of the new left has the same underlying motivation, but hide it better usually. Every so often though it creeps into view, like the “No Pressure” video.

    I wonder where our leftist commentors are on this thread, mickeysavage, MNIJ, and others ? Care to add your reactions, is this reasonable, foolish, or downright nasty ?

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  19. Positan (383 comments) says:

    Darien Fenton has exemplified the irrational spite and nastiness of an immature, school-child. For a union-placed-MP, she’s also revealed a completely out-of-touch attitude both to what’s expected of her – and what, most certainly, is not. Happily, the revelation of her spiteful demeanour will most assuredly impact on Labour, as decent sorts who’ve always supported that party find themselves unable to cast their votes as in the past.

    I was talking with two such people this morning, persons who’ve always been ready to quip at, or contest, my slightly-right views. Both expressed revulsion at Fenton’s behaviour and at the way Labour’s parliamentary personnel has become so nasty in personality focus. I gained the impression that neither one intends to vote this year, but I suspect one might now turn to the equally lunatic, but less personally abusive Greens.

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  20. tvb (4,196 comments) says:

    I just saw the old slag walk into spqr, she looks better in person even if she dresses like her mate from ab fab Patsy. Except Patsy is cool fenton is not.

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  21. thepolecat (63 comments) says:

    Darien Fenton is an absolute disgrace. This is exactly the kind of thing that is destroying the Labour party’s image. If this woman is number 18 on the list, then I have great belief that it won’t take me long to be an MP in this country. We are still one country regardless of what our political beliefs, and good on Peter Leitch for talking up John Key. I don’t like Key at all, and obviously he is going to make political mileage out of supporting the Warriors and the All Blacks – but so what? He is the PM, they are our teams – thats how it works. How would Labour react to similar National attacks on Peter Leitch if Phil Goff was the PM? Not very well I’m sure.

    This creeping bitchiness that is now prevalent in the Labour Party should be dealt with immediately. Surely Annette King is tough enough to deal to these idiots? I can imagine Helen Clark would have swiftly dealt with it.

    @Big Bruva Not sure if it was “life-long unionists” Kirk was weary of. Rather those academics who think they know everything about trade unions without ever having experienced the real world which the worker lives in.

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  22. reid (15,917 comments) says:

    This is exactly the kind of thing that is destroying the Labour party’s image… This creeping bitchiness that is now prevalent in the Labour Party should be dealt with immediately. Surely Annette King is tough enough to deal to these idiots? I can imagine Helen Clark would have swiftly dealt with it.

    Well said polecat. Look obviously you’re a Labour supporter so I’ll not spell it the way I normally do, but I’d like to ask you a serious question. Do you not see this attitude these days, in many, not all but many of the urban party members. Also in the Maori wing. Also in the women’s wing. The founding principles of Labour represented so ably up till Moore, have been subsumed by something new and different these days and personally, to me, it’s distasteful by comparison to what you used to represent.

    This is my question: do you see the same thing?

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  23. catwoman (123 comments) says:

    Quite simple really – they have all had part of their brains removed. There are even photos of it! Just have a look at their hoardings – the tops of their heads are all missing! It is quite safe to say that all Labour MPs and candidates only have half a brain.

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  24. GPT1 (2,087 comments) says:

    Awesome smack down by Hooton and great work by Whale bringing this out in to the open.
    I read the Red Alert “apology” trying to preempt the Herald story (and who the hell does a blogpost as an apology – “Peter if you’re reading this…” – idiot) thread and there were some pretty scathing comments from Labour supporters.

    The Left used to accuse National of being born to rule Tories – the born to rule attitude has never been more clearly displayed that by Fenton and Wall’s comments.

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  25. DJP6-25 (1,268 comments) says:

    bereal 1:05 pm. No, its the MPs, activists, trade union reps, academics, ‘journalists, and ‘reporters’ that are usually pondscum. Joe and Jane Sixpack who vote Democratic, Labour, Labor etc are mostly OK.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  26. Nick K (1,066 comments) says:

    Phil Goff should assert his authority and win some support back by demanding they both stand down from this election, and if they don’t then he should bloody well make sure it happens.

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  27. peterwn (3,144 comments) says:

    Nick K – It won’t happen. Phil Goff just does not have the networking and influence to make this happen.

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  28. scanner (340 comments) says:

    Fenton has perhaps slipped off the wagon, once a smackhead always a smackhead, that being the case she is more to be pitied than scolded.
    As to her rug munching buddy that came out in support today, just plain stupid, but what can you say when it and the smackhead were both cut from the same cloth.
    I see also over at the last bastion of free speech Douche Bag Trev has banned yet another, Labour the gift that just keeps giving.

    [DPF: 30 demerits]

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  29. kiwi in america (2,432 comments) says:

    Nick
    You have to understand who runs Labour. After the post Rogernomics purges, the radical progressive clique of feminists (and the metrosexual men who support their goals), unions and rainbow coalition came to control the LECs of most electorates, the Regional Councils, Labour’s various National Councils and the Labour Head Office full time staff. By the late 90′s they all sung from Clark’s songsheet and the sisterhood (and supporting men) now had control of all the apparatus they needed to dominate almost all electorate selection panels and the party list. They finally got to create a party (in and out of Parliament) in their own image but sadly one representative of maybe 5-10% of NZ’s population. Goff, Hawkins, O’Connor are hangovers from the older school of Labour MPs more grounded in the small c conservative working class and small business roots. The only way for hetero white males over 40-45 to survive in the new reality is to bow to the PC wishes of the new governing ideology.

    Clark began to govern with caution because she knew she and her ruling elite’s vision for NZ would be electorally unappealing so she thought she could buy off enough of middle NZ with massive increases in government spending and the hook of bringing more of the middle class into the welfare net through Working for Families. Like all lefties they cant hide their inner socialist nor their nanny state arrogant born to rule we know best paternalism and the marriage of the ideology and group think to the aggressive bare knuckles ugly political tactics of realpolitik to get and stay in power became over time a major turnoff to voters. After 9 years NZ saw through the centrist facade and had enough.

    Key governed pretty much the way he promised he would so the No 1 weapon Labour thought they had was a Rogernomics Mark2 blitzkrieg that would be so unpopular that NZ would come running back to mummy Labour. This bad tactical blunder was compounded by an utter inability to really examine why they lost power. Goff cant run Labour like he wants because the left leaning progressives cant stomach that Mike Moore style centrist pragmatism. The left truly believe that if the voters knew whats best for them they’d vote for more statism. Having tried and failed at demonising Key all they have left are the raft of desperate and pathetic tactics the campaign inner circle uses to try to find some circuit breaker to break Labour out of its basement of under 30% polling.

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  30. kiwi in america (2,432 comments) says:

    I also forgot to mention that in order for a former Rogernome like Goff to be a front bencher and then leader of a more left leaning progressive Labour Party he had to utterly and unequivocally recant from his time as a 4th Labour Govt Cabinet Minister. That recanting has sealed off his more pragmatic (and electorally more centrist and thus appealing) past and so in order to please the party apparachniks, he cannot turn back. This contortion leads to an awkwardness in much of what Goff says and it gives him a slight air of insincerity as he shrilly tries to attack National for things he knows in his heart are plain non partisan common sense policies. That added to appalling staffing choices in the Goffice and the antics of senior operatives like Mallard who simply cannot escape their Wadestown/Thorndon chardonnay socialist bubble (despite all their attempts at working class cred) has led to the series of stupid own goals. The pragmatists that used to surround Mike Moore and earlier leaders are hated or ignored – with predictably electorally disasterous consequences.

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  31. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    I’ve had an interesting exchange on The Standard on this (my last ban has expired) including Campbell Larsen.

    Someone called “hawk” threatened to punch Larsen in the mouth if he ever came across him. He was taken to task for this and came back with a full apology and admission it was an inappropriate response.

    Larsen is still blaming everyone and everything else for the kerfluffle over his comments.

    I’ve suggested he consider it and he’s just come back with a reply:

    Whatever Pete – I’m not about to apologize because you think I should. Hawk is a psycho, retraction or no. There is no comparison between his threat and my comment.
    What I have learnt from this is that Peter has some very foul mouthed OCD friends who like to troll on blogs – he really should find better friends.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-01102011/#comment-380186

    Still doesn’t get it, obviously.

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  32. RRM (9,427 comments) says:

    Pete, I now think the only hope for Labour is if some proper non-union liberalised lefties from outside of parliamentary politics arrive to oust the old guard and take over, as Key did with National.

    Competent, smart people from the real world.

    The incumbent closed shop clique of union people are just idiots, there’s no future with them.

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  33. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    And both Lyn Prentice and Greg Presland arrive supporting Larsen.

    Prentice on Sir Peter: “But I have never seen him say or do anything of any note by my standards.
    Essentially to me he is a non-entity.”

    Presland on Larsen: “The worst thing is that your comment was in terms of blogging quite mild”.

    Prentice on me: “Just evidence that you’re a bit of vacuous loudmouth?”

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  34. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    I’m not so sure that Jacinda and co. have got this one wrong. Leitch will be seen as a class traitor by the working class faithful, and his altruistic facade of bonhomie and charity doesn’t fool everyone.

    I’m a passionate Warriors fan, and I know a number of other Warriors fans who are just as disenchanted with Leitch’s perpetual lime light chasing. I’m not going to suddenly start eulogizing the guy simply because he’s jumped to my ship.

    As far as I’m concerned, Sir Butch has become a royal pain in the arse, and I’d imagine the hard core apparatchiks would feel the same way.

    And to all those partisan righties who regard anything left of far right as “scum”, Sir Butch has certainly put on quite an evolutionary growth spurt. Hypocrites and cheerleaders. Bah!

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  35. Hawk (5 comments) says:

    To Pete George:

    Yes Pete it was a comment that was ill thought out by myself. While not correct for me to say what I did and threaten a person, it did serve a purpose in a few ways. Yes it did make me look like a thug and bully which I am not or have ever been.

    But importantly it gave me a chance to ammend the words, it will never clear them but at least it shows that I made a mistake and acknowledged it. A thing that I dont think Larsen has done yet, I maybe wrong on that though.

    As for defending Leitch I have no real stance on who Leitch supports or does not support, so I was not defending him in anyway. I was more upset about him wishing death on another person and would have thought the same thing if it was a National supporter passing that comment on Fenton.

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  36. David Garrett (6,333 comments) says:

    Grizz: Well said.. Labour need to “get” that the class war is over….today’s butcher or panelbeater or carpenter is tomorrows small – or in Sir Peter’s case not small – business man.

    The first public assignment I had for ACT was to speak on employment policy at a union forum. I opened by saying I should feel among friends as I had once been a delegate for two different unions. Cue howls of derision and cries of “class traitor”…albeit in somewhat more fruity language.

    I pointed out that Andrew Little had also gone on to study law…but then unlike me, he had never been a worker in the first place! Cue somewhat more subdued derision….

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  37. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    I’ve never been a fan of him either, his style is not my sort of thing, but I don’t wish ill of him and recognise the level of support he has and what he’s put back in to the society he is a part of.

    This isn’t about whether I like him or not, it’s about how Labour treats ex supporters and potential supporters. Fenton, Wall and Larsen have shown a nast side of Labour. Tjhis has been further emphasised by what happend to me on the Standard, where I questioned how smart the Labour approach was and I get attacked by Labour party members as another enemy.

    Labour gets bitter and acts bitter at any sign of dissent. While that remains a prevalent attitude and common action I don’t care if the Labour party dies.

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  38. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    Hawk – full credit for how you dealt with it. It’s easy to say things off the cuff on blogs that on reflection aren’t that flash. The right reaction is often more important than the original comment, we should all have an oportunity to reconsider and to clarify.

    How you dealt with what you said is a stark contrast to Campbell Larsen, and his Labour party supporterd Presland and Prentice, who attack the messenger relentlessly and won’t back down on ill considered comments. That just emphasises how out of touch they are.

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  39. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    Pete George – “Labour gets bitter and acts bitter at any sign of dissent.”

    Love him or loath him, Labour desperately miss Mike Cullen. A supercilious twat at times, but a wise political strategist.

    Hawk – Most bullies and thugs are pussy cats when they aren’t angry.

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  40. Pete George (22,754 comments) says:

    It’s often said that Labour have flown to pieces post Helen, but I think they miss Cullen at least as much. Losing two strong smartv leaders at the same time has left a vacuum with bits of debris left in the bag. They have to learn not to look at the nozzle when they turn on blow.

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  41. cubit (356 comments) says:

    Ms Fenton seems to think that Sir Peter is compelled to give support to Labour for ever for some unexplained reason. Sir Peter was of use to them so long as he endorsed them. He has now expressed a contemporary assessment of the current situation and surprise, surprise it is consistent with what the majority of NZer’s think.

    Ms Fenton and her mate Ms Wall would be better advised to use their analytical skills (such as they are) to determine what it is that their party has done to lose the endorsement of Sir Peter Leitch. That little bit of truth if they discover it just might be very embarrassing.

    The real problem for Labour is that Sir Peter enjoys a far greater degree of loyalty and acceptance than Fenton, WallMallard, Goff, King and many others. Now there is a real threat.

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  42. niggly (799 comments) says:

    He has now expressed a contemporary assessment of the current situation and surprise, surprise it is consistent with what the majority of NZer’s think.

    Cwickey, I wonder if Fenton & Wall will next lash out at NZ’ers – approx 70% of them across the Left to Right spectrum – who won’t be voting Labour this election?

    Seriously though, this would never have happened under Clark’s rule (nor unlikely under Key), so again Goff and King’s lack of any real reprimand on Fenton & Wall just reinforces how ineffectual they really are as Leaders.

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  43. Hawk (5 comments) says:

    Thanks for that info Scott Chris. I will pass that on to any that I happen to meet in the future…

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