Oh for God’s sake there is life outside Parliament

December 14th, 2011 at 9:59 am by David Farrar

Radio NZ reports:

Mr Goff has restated his commitment to seeing out this term in Parliament and says he intends to stand again in 2014.

Oh good God. That will help the rejuvenation – not.

Who on earth would he want to stay on as a backbencher? Does he intend to outlast Ross Robertson?

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74 Responses to “Oh for God’s sake there is life outside Parliament”

  1. redeye (631 comments) says:

    He doesn’t have any other skills.

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  2. backster (2,076 comments) says:

    He needs to protect his prodigy from the knives already being sharpened.

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  3. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    So the UN gig fell through, then….

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  4. All_on_Red (1,341 comments) says:

    Hes obviously instituitionalised. Poor man, all those years “inside”.

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  5. Elaycee (4,299 comments) says:

    redeye is correct – what possible value could he bring to a potential employer in the real world?

    Fiscal credibility and responsibility? Nope.
    Ability to lead and motivate a team? Nope.
    Does he have good media skills? Nope.
    Does he get flustered under pressure? Yup.

    I suspect he’ll hang around as long as he can – in the hope he’ll be offered some ‘diplomatic’ post overseas.

    Or a flunky role at the last bastion of socialism: the UN.

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  6. Manolo (13,339 comments) says:

    A dedicated trougher without any other skill than lying to his gullible electorate.
    Poor Goff knows no shame.

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  7. KiwiGreg (3,170 comments) says:

    Cue National giving him the chair of some poop SOE

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  8. dime (9,392 comments) says:

    dam thats just sad.

    i guess he dreams of being a cabinet minister again some day.

    hopefully kiwigreg is wrong.. although i doubt it.

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  9. lastmanstanding (1,204 comments) says:

    Come on folks and DPF Lets be a little generous given the season. Ive softened my stance against both the Socialists and Green since 26 Nov.

    iPredict has the Nats at 58% for 2014.

    Not that we can afford to be complacent. the enemy are at this very minute regrouping for a counter attack.

    As for Phil. Seems hes gone the way of all long time servers there. They cant let it go. No matter gthe humiliation of having to trudge to the back seats efery time he comes into the House

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  10. 103PapPap (125 comments) says:

    Let’s face it – after 30 years of sucking on the public tit he is incapable of doing any other kind of work.

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  11. tas (591 comments) says:

    And there goes the last of my respect for Goff.

    Labout got its worst result since 1928 and he still hasn’t got the message.

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  12. sweetd (124 comments) says:

    Fine. If Phil wants to hang around, who am I to help labour clear out their dead wood. All he is doing is preventing a some new sapling from coming up.

    BTW, what is it with the labour party and being selfish? Clark, on not winning the election, threw her toys from the cot and left, all the while she was leader preventing any talent coming through for her replacement. Now, we have Goff, thinking if he can’t be leader, he will damn well prevent someone else from having a go.

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  13. ephemera (563 comments) says:

    Maybe he represents a constituency, and that’s who he wants to serve?

    Nice to see DPF as the arbitor of the glue factory.

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  14. trout (900 comments) says:

    Goff is only following the lifecycle of the true politician- see out this term – plan on Labour being government next term (optimistically I know and this may change closer to the next election) – get appointed as Speaker (lots of perks) – and then get pensioned off to a High Commission post overseas (the ultimate perk).
    (His commitment to his electorate constituents did not stretch to living amongst them)

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  15. hmmokrightitis (1,507 comments) says:

    Wells, its that or maybe motorcycle courier?

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  16. tvb (4,199 comments) says:

    The labour party is full of people like goff. They have no life outside politics. Some even marry political activists. They plot and scheme the whole time, they hang on like limpets well past their use by date. The public are sick of them, but they hang on regardless. I wish they would find god or something and disappear.

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  17. YesWeDid (1,029 comments) says:

    DPF – how is this different from Bill English staying on after being replaced as leader?

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  18. DavidC (179 comments) says:

    So if Goof stays on what seat is Ardern going to poach ?

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  19. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    “DPF – how is this different from Bill English staying on after being replaced as leader”

    Bills doing something useful…goofs just hangin around like a bad fart.

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  20. ephemera (563 comments) says:

    @YesWeDid,

    The difference is that English is an “Elder Statesman”, while Goff is a “Has been”. National Party logic.

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  21. shoreboy57 (130 comments) says:

    Born to rule? No born to warm backbenchers seat

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  22. dime (9,392 comments) says:

    “DPF – how is this different from Bill English staying on after being replaced as leader?”

    i think its more to do with how long Goff has been there. Since 81?? 15 years longer than English.

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  23. Fletch (6,010 comments) says:

    It’s like people who have been in prison most of their life – they can’t survive on the outside…

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  24. YesWeDid (1,029 comments) says:

    ‘i think its more to do with how long Goff has been there. Since 81?? 15 years longer than English.’

    It’s actually 9 years (Goff since 1981, English since 1990).

    I think ephemera sums it up best but I’d call is ‘right wing blogger logic’.

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  25. Don the Kiwi (1,587 comments) says:

    His snout has become addicted to wallowing in the trough

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  26. gravedodger (1,510 comments) says:

    Nash (the elder), Muldoon, English, Goff and it seems Ponting.

    For all that is holy take the pension, there comes a time when every body become superfluous and you Mr Goff reached that status at least 3 years ago,

    Hanging around makes your decline cringeworthy and embarrassing.

    Donate you energies to a service organisation or a Charity for free, get your snout out of the freekin trough.

    Pathetic.

    The post heading says it all really

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  27. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t get too bothered about it, 2 years 11 months is a long time in politics. Plenty of time to change one’s mind – or do what one wants but didn’t say what that really was.

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  28. Scott Chris (5,875 comments) says:

    Well maybe he feels he has something to offer, or has further ambitions to be a minister. By most accounts, he is a capable man, so provided his role is constructive and productive for the Labour party, I don’t see a problem.

    Cut out the deadwood, fine, but don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.

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  29. Ed Snack (1,734 comments) says:

    There is another reasonably big difference between Goff and Bill English, when Bill was rolled he was offered a substantial role, Finance Minister no less, so the National party obviously valued his skills, just not as their leader.

    Goff by contrast has not been offered any substantial role by Shearer (or so we imagine, possibly he will get a shadow cabinet role, who knows) and so will go to the back benches. I’d say that’s is very significant difference to how the party itself sees Goff to how National sees English, and that puts the comments above in context. There seems little point in coming back in 2014 as a back bencher for Goff, one would have to doubt his motives a little, he’s old enough to retire, and gets a substantial super after all those years. He can play a back-room party role outside parliament although being in caucus would undoubtedly give him more party leverage.

    But all parties need a turnover in MPs, Labour especially seem to need that at the moment. Someone of Goff’s vintage really can have very little to offer from the back bench. Could it be a factional thing, threatening to stay on unless they let him (and his faction, what ever that is these days, old white mofo’s ?)chose his successor ?

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  30. alwyn (380 comments) says:

    I can see a couple of possibilities.
    The first is reasonably honourable. He campaigned on raising the pension age to 67. He has therefore decided to work until that age and not take his parliamentary super until then.
    The second is that he wants to break the record for being the oldest ever MP. I’m not sure who that is but Walter Nash was there until he was 86 so Phil has rather a long way to go. Can you imagine him still being there for the bi-centennial in February 2040?

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  31. Richard29 (377 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t read too much into what Phil says he ‘intends’ to do. That’s not quite the same as a promise. (“We live in a dynamic world” dontcha know). It’s like saying “I fully support the current leader”. Might be true today but I’m not giving any commitment about 6 months from now.

    It’s a no win question he’s answering. If he says he plans to step down before the next election but doesn’t specify a time then he’ll just get accused of sucking on the teat for every extra week that he’s ‘seat warming’. If he says he plans to stand down straight away then the accusation will be that it’s a massive waste of taxpayers money to abandon his constituents and force a byelection weeks out from the general election. If it was PM or nothing and he never wanted to be the MP for the people of Mt Roskill then why did he stand in an electorate and not just a top list ranking.

    My guess is that Goff will step down before the next election but he will pick a better time. Right now the National government is popular and Labour has no real traction. Give it a year or two when we are in the middle of welfare reforms, asset sales and partial privatisation of ACC and all of a sudden the media opportunity of a by-election in a relatively strong Labour seat as a kind of referendum on the government seems very appealing.

    The other concern with holding a byelection now is that Labour may not win and that would be massively humiliating.
    Labour’s party vote in Mt Roskill this election (14,098) was only ten percent above National’s party vote (12,079) and is lower than National’s party vote in 2005 (14,346). Goff’s team may have crowed that his electorate vote majority increased this year – but it’s only due to low voter turnout – the actual number of people who cast an electorate vote for him has been declining for years from 19,476 (2005) to 18,615 (2008) to 17,906 (2011). The last decline is particularly concerning given that it covered the period where he was promoted to party leader and got more free publicity than any other Labour MP.
    Jackie Blue is a relatively popular candidate (with a history as a local GP) who has spent a lot of time building her local credentials. Since coming into the seat she has seen the National party vote lift by around 5000 votes and Phil’s electorate vote majority thin by a similar amount, it may be a fairly red seat but Mt Roskill is not Mt Albert, the byelection would be far from a certain conclusion, especially with a weak Labour candidate (and lets face it, who could they stand at the moment that might be considered a strong contender?) and theres always the risk that the Green party do what they did last time and helicopter in Russell Norman to split the vote.

    If you think losing the election was humiliating for Labour imagine them not even being able to hold Phil Goff’s seat (that he’s held for literally decades) in a byelection. If I were in the Labour caucus I would have Phil under strict instructions that he denies all rumours of standing down, declares his undying commitment to the people of Mt Roskill and doesn’t even think of looking for jobs till Labour is close to 40% in the polls.

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  32. nadir (100 comments) says:

    lastmanstanding

    the ipredict price for 2014 includes the time value of the payout – so discount 58% by say 4% per annum for 3 years and you get an adjusted price of about 51 or 52%

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  33. KiwiGreg (3,170 comments) says:

    I’d bet he will leave before the next election but only after he is offered an appropriate role befitting him. Given this will be a government job it’ll be a tactical decision for the Nats as to whether or when they do it. unless the UN option comes up

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  34. wreck1080 (3,726 comments) says:

    Can’t he just return to his previous profession/job?

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  35. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Surely Goofy has squirreled away enough for a nice little dacha by the sea with a cellar full of Chardonnay ? Without doubt he is a socialist and thus feels a constant need to bless the world with his infinite wisdom, unfortunately for us.

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  36. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    KiwiGreg, maybe Chris Carter could do with a PA.

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  37. dime (9,392 comments) says:

    It’s actually 9 years (Goff since 1981, English since 1990).

    I think ephemera sums it up best but I’d call is ‘right wing blogger logic’.

    well ok, its 9 years. 3 freakin terms. longer than a lot of MP’s entire careers.

    Id expect in 9 years time that bill will have moved on. if national go in 6 years time id expect Bill to bugga off then. if he doesnt we will no doubt give him shit.

    much like the shit we give him now… unlike the dirty left we wont defend everything our guys say and do.

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  38. Spoon (101 comments) says:

    I think the big difference between English and Goff is their respective replacements’ view of their suitability for a role in Parliament.

    Key has given English a seat up the front and important portfolios.

    One would imagine that Shearer will send Goff to the back row and give him less important portfolios.

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  39. gump (1,474 comments) says:

    dime said:

    It’s actually 9 years (Goff since 1981, English since 1990).

    I think ephemera sums it up best but I’d call is ‘right wing blogger logic’.

    well ok, its 9 years. 3 freakin terms. longer than a lot of MP’s entire careers.

    ———————————–

    Nitpick – I think the difference in time served is actually 6 years between Goff and English (as Goff lost his seat between 1990-1993).

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  40. RRM (9,434 comments) says:

    Oh for God’s sake there is life outside Parliament

    Yes.
    Yes there is. 8)

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  41. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    Jog your memories back to that glorious week when when we (to universal astonishment) won all those medals in Los Angeles, when ‘Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go’ was the number one song in the charts and on the radio, when Ghostbusters and the Karate Kid were the most popular movies, and few people in NZ had yet heard of Madonna.

    When all that was happening Phil Goff first got made a Cabinet Minister.

    So from the moment you first heard George Michael singing “Wake me up before you go-go” until (literally) YESTERDAY Phil Goff has been a high profile, senior politician.

    By any stretch of the imagination it is time to move on; time to put the cue back in the rack and let someone else have a turn.

    In this respect Phil Goff’s longevity is greater than anyone else in the history of NZ politics (even Joseph Ward) and would be akin to Amy Adams – plucked from the backbench and into Cabinet after one term – being in senior positions from this morning until the 100th Anniversary of World War 2 breaking out!

    This of course differs from the long careers from Ross Robertson and people like Clyde Carr (look him up) who were non entities.

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  42. Bob (478 comments) says:

    I am surprised Goff wants to stay on for two more terms. Like so many other ex-politicians you would think he would move into another area. I thought he was quite good as Foreign minister. A post as a governemnt representative overseas using his experience would be good. I can only think he is hoping for a resurrection.

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  43. virtualmark (1,474 comments) says:

    richard29 @ 12:05

    Well said.

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  44. trout (900 comments) says:

    The real issue is that by staying on Goff keeps somebody else out; somebody who could make more of a contribution. Goff has done his dash has nothing more to offer. MP’s are there to serve the electorate, not their own personal agenda.

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  45. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    Goff had already been in parliament for 4 years when Jami-Lee Ross was born. He probably wants to be like Strom Thurman who was in the US Senate at the age of 100. People will see Goff on the street pushing his stroller, and tell their children that their great grandfather or mother knew Goff when he was standing for parliament for the first time.

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  46. mattyman1010 (32 comments) says:

    Richard29, your right about that. Labour could very well loose a by-election in Mt Roskill. Looking at booth by booth Goff won the vast majority of booths and with ease. The party vote however was much more interesting (albeit somewhat disappointing compared to 08).
    I live in the electorate and the southern area (where I live) was very strong for National party vote wise. They easily won all of the Lynfield booths (best being 616 to 264), all of Hillsborough and even 5/7 of Blockhouse Bay plus Onehunga. Looking at the rest of of the electorate the only reason Labour won was because of winning 9/12 of the Mt Roskill booths with very strong margins.
    If a by election were held, with a smaller turnout overall, if National could mobilize the voters in the southern suburbs as well as Mt Eden/Sandringham area (which they won well, all 8 booths) they could definitely win if they field a strong candidate.

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  47. alwyn (380 comments) says:

    JamesS @ 2.08pm
    I’m not quite sure what you are suggesting but Phil Goff has a long way to go before he is anything like the longest serving MP.
    I don’t know who is the record holder but Keith Holyoake was an MP for about 40 years.
    He was there from 1932 until 1938 and then back from 1943 until 1977.

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  48. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    “Who on earth would he want to stay on as a backbencher?”

    You could’ve asked Rob Muldoon that question. Stayed on in Parliament 7 years after being dumped as PM and finally retired aged 70. Goff is a teenager in comparison. :)

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  49. ross (1,454 comments) says:

    Presumably, David, if National loses the election in 2014, you’ll expect Key to make a quick exit from Parliament. I can’t see him wanting to be a backbencher.

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  50. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    Alwyn I did not suggest Goff was the longest serving MP, but rather the longest serving person at the ‘epicentre’ of power; I also tried to put into context exactly how long it has actually been.

    From the time of the LA Olympics until yesterday Goff was either a Cabinet Minister or senior person in opposition – 27 1/2 years at the centre of power. A record. The ultimate insider.

    From the winter of 1984 onwards Goff has been very powerful; he could pick up the phone and get virtually anybody in the country on the line in 20 seconds flat, he could get a meeting with virtually anybody in NZ, he could influence the budget and other government policy, he could do all manner of things for people (or ‘to’ people) and in some ways is far more successful than many who became Prime Ministers.

    At no time has Goff been in the wilderness – or anywhere near it.

    If you look at our history nobody else has gone from obscurity to Cabinet so quickly, and then remained at the centre of things for that long; I am sure almost any MP would give their left tit to have had a career like Goff.

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  51. UpandComer (506 comments) says:

    Its a dumb comparison. Bill english entered parliament in his twenties, he was still a young man as leader, and is still relatively young now at 50 odd. Phil Goff is much older. People forget that Bill English has worked health, education, crown health enterprises, finance, and a raft of associate roles. He is the engine room of almost all of the national party’s policy. he is the reason why National for the first time has increased it’s majority in a second election, in tandem with John. Bill english could have imploded the party when he was ousted as leader, but did not. He provides national most of it’s meat, and has guided the party with a steady hand, and kept it from the idiots like Don Brash and idiots who ruined his leadership with their stupid politically unpalatable views and stupid unintelligent ideologies from ruining the party, again. Bill and Phil are chalk and cheese. Phil has no more role to play. Bill will be incredibly important this term, and can stay as long as he likes because while steven joyce would be a good finance minister, Bill is integral to this party getting re-elected.

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  52. Lucia Maria (2,206 comments) says:

    Oh for God’s sake there is life outside Parliament

    There’s a certain irony in one of NZ’s most prolific political bloggers making that statement!

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  53. Graeme Edgeler (3,262 comments) says:

    From the time of the LA Olympics until yesterday Goff was either a Cabinet Minister or senior person in opposition – 27 1/2 years at the centre of power. A record. The ultimate insider.

    How did Goff manage to be a senior member of the opposition between 1990 and 1993?

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  54. Dick (80 comments) says:

    UpandComer (67) Says:
    December 14th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Its a dumb comparison. Bill english entered parliament in his twenties, he was still a young man as leader, and is still relatively young now at 50 odd. Phil Goff is much older. People forget that Bill English has worked health, education, crown health enterprises, finance, and a raft of associate roles. He is the engine room of almost all of the national party’s policy. he is the reason why National for the first time has increased it’s majority in a second election, in tandem with John. Bill english could have imploded the party when he was ousted as leader, but did not. He provides national most of it’s meat, and has guided the party with a steady hand, and kept it from the idiots like Don Brash and idiots who ruined his leadership with their stupid politically unpalatable views and stupid unintelligent ideologies from ruining the party, again. Bill and Phil are chalk and cheese. Phil has no more role to play. Bill will be incredibly important this term, and can stay as long as he likes because while steven joyce would be a good finance minister, Bill is integral to this party getting re-elected.

    What a load of National Party propaganda bullshit. English has achieved nothing in Parliament besides being a seat-warmer in all his roles. Not a single reform or significant advancement of policy in his areas of responsibility, would fit perfectly well in the Labour Party, does not contribute anything to Parliament besides being loud in Parliament (the equivalent of Pete Hodgson on the other side).

    And your comments on Brash? Jesus fucking Christ. No wonder you’re a National Party supporter. You’d also fit right in with the Labour Party given there’s fuck all difference between the two.

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  55. Fletch (6,010 comments) says:

    Oh for God’s sake there is life outside Parliament

    There’s a certain irony in one of NZ’s most prolific political bloggers making that statement!

    He probably meant to say, “Oh for Goff’s sake..” :)

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  56. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    English should have been turfed out years ago.

    Only thing he’s got going for him worth shit in my books is his wife and kids.

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  57. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Richard said what I would have. Of course he’s not going now. Of course he’ll be gone before the next election. That’s politics – if you say what you really mean you get a hammering.

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  58. fatman43us (166 comments) says:

    And Labour is really in a great position financially to fight a by-election this soon after the general Election.

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  59. reid (15,918 comments) says:

    Well Muldoon stayed in after he was defeated but it was a sad way to end what was an at times brilliant political life.

    Goff possibly ironically seems to have completely bypassed by his contemporary, Hulun, in every way. Ironic for if Hulun had never existed then Phil probably would have lead the 5th Liarbore govt and I guarantee you the nation would have been in much better shape but he was overshadowed by her, like this.

    So you have to feel for the poor guy but after all, he was only a man and against Hulun, who could stand, except Muldoon. Imagine that: Muldoon vs Hulun in the House and on telly night after night . See how ironic the whole thing is?

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  60. Liberty (233 comments) says:

    Who is Ross Robertson?

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  61. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    Rather than Bill English, isn’t Maurice Williamson a classic example of a pollie way past their use-by date who keeps troughing?

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  62. Daigotsu (450 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t rule out Goff being given a role in the Shadow Cabinet actually. But I don’t think that makes it any better.

    Just get out and give your electorate seat to its rightful owner – the Nats.

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  63. NX (602 comments) says:

    Maybe Goff hopes to be leader again..?

    Here’s a scenario – Shearer crashes and burns (a high possibility). Cunliffe screws up the 2014 election campaign with another one of his ‘greasey little man in the blue suit’ speeches.
    The caucus look back fondly on the reign of Goff & re-elect him as leader to fight the 2017 election. Goff would be well into his sixties, but not too old. We’re only talking about three to four years from now.

    Could Goff do a John Howard….

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  64. KH (687 comments) says:

    It’s not about Phil. It’s about the future of the party. The Labour party have to renew their list as they screwed it up so badly last time. For the best interest of the party, Phil has to go. And about ten others including Annette King. To bring in a whole bunch of newbies, amongst whom there might be some talent. The sooner the better. Admittedly Roskill might not keep a Labour MP. But they need to take the risk.

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  65. NX (602 comments) says:

    To bring in a whole bunch of newbies

    No good bringing in newbies if they’re just nasty union hacks. They need to change their selection process to bring in people from diverse backgrounds (i.e. not just teachers and union hacks) – to be more representative of New Zealand.

    They need to start winning provincial seats again.

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  66. Liberty (233 comments) says:

    Ross Robertson a labour MP for 21 yrs and no one has heard of him.
    Why do people become MPs if they are not going to put their head above
    The parapet ?

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  67. Daigotsu (450 comments) says:

    They need to elect some businessmen, maybe some former cops, some teachers who aren’t union hacks

    Then maybe they will get some policies that actually fit New Zealand

    Of course even if they did all that they would only be doing what National is already doing, so why not just give up? Labour cannot continue to exist as a legitimate political party while opposing the government

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  68. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    Ross Robertson has been an MP for 24 years; first elected in 1987.

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  69. centreforward (32 comments) says:

    Isn’t the job he’s going for that of MP for his electorate? In which case it’s up to him if he wants to stand and it’s up to the voters in his electorate to decide if they want him as their MP. Phil Goff has served our country well as minister of foreign affairs. The new Labour leader has only been in place for a couple of days. Goff should be allowed to make decisions about his future in his own good time or the timing of his electorate’s choosing.

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  70. UpandComer (506 comments) says:

    Its so funny when clueless Act arseholes like Dick talk smack. Hey idiot, your party is in the margin of error, and if you idiots had your way, Labour who are just toxic, would be in power for eternity, because your views are ridiculous to about 98% of New Zealanders. Regardless of whether the crusade is righteous, rational, or correct, it doesn’t matter because if the nats adopted an Act platform, they would pole at – .5 percent too. That’s what you idiots don’t understand, and why ideology from the right is as stupid as the left, even if it is correct.

    I repeat, Bill English is the reason why the nats for the first time ever have managed to win a second term in dominant fashion, rather then just barely squeaking in.

    And Dick are you a bit deficient? Bill English is the finance minister who successfully raised GST, produced a popular zero budget, slashed public service whilst remaining popular, and is freeing public institutions of the Labour jackboot so they are dynamic and self aware. If national wins a third term, it will be down to him and Key.

    And yes I stand by my statements about Brash. What he did to Rodney Hide and to Act was contemptible, and he is an absolutely rubbish manager. Kudos to him for nearly winning with National though.

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  71. JamesS (352 comments) says:

    Excellent comment Upandcomer! agree with you completely; you will find, however, that half a dozen ACT robots-in-denial (ie: 81.4% of their membership) will start hysterically abusing you on kiwiblog for daring not to believe in Roger, Rodney, Don and John – for daring to have some common sense and not mainlining a cult.

    I should also note that Bill English was re-elected with an increased majority in Clutha-Southland despite not living there, despite spending only about 10 days per year there and despite his supposed unpopularity; the only Finance minister since Muldoon in 1969 to increase his majority.

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  72. Pete George (22,781 comments) says:

    Until he stops enjoying it…

    Former leader Phil Goff intended to stay for the full term and stand again in 2014 unless he was no longer enjoying the job.

    “My intention would be to stand again in 2014 but that will depend on how I find the next two years. If somebody offers me $2 million a year to take on some business enterprise in trade, I would probably consider it seriously. But at the moment, I’m happy in politics.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773327

    He enjoyed the last few months? Buried in the bubble maybe.

    Don’t know if his employment feelers are tongue in cheek or not.

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  73. Richard29 (377 comments) says:

    @ Upandcomer
    “I repeat, Bill English is the reason why the nats for the first time ever have managed to win a second term in dominant fashion, rather then just barely squeaking in. ”

    Umm… not sure on that one.
    The Nats have 59 out of 121 seats – they have managed to just stitch together a razor thin majority via coalition with two micro-parties that they brought into parliament through actively encouraging people to vote strategically.
    Yes, it’s a majority. Yes, it’s a mandate. Yes, National did very well. Yes, Labour did terribly.

    But this government is about to embark on three years of what are likely to be quite painful and unpopular reforms and there is no way that they will come out on the other side of it with 48%+ party vote in 2014. National needs to seriously look at making some friends if they hope to have a third term.

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  74. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    Well I have often criticised the term “good constituency MP” as a euphemism for being crap in the House and ineffective as a politician, but in Goff’s case, he really is a good constituency MP. In fact, I doubt that there is a better one in Parliament. To that end, he would be a loss to his constituents and a loss to parliament. There is no reason on earth why, if one is good at one’s job (and being an MP is a legitimate job, whatever the libertarians among us want to believe), one shouldn’t keep doing it for as long as one pleases. I wish him well and hope he sticks around. If he’s a pain in the arse for the new leader, so much the better.

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