General Debate 7 February 2012

February 7th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    David Cunliffe has blogged on ‘Feeding our kids’ but it sounds more like pandering to votes with political platitude phrases of the day like ‘15%’ and ‘inequality’.

    Inequality – and political pies in skies.

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  2. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    Happy Birthday to me. Contributions to the beer fund happily accepted. :lol:

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  3. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    More bad news for he citizens of the World. The Yanks are at it again. Not content with being put down over SOPA & PIPA the are now going to use the TPP to control us all.
    Key and co should tell them to fuck off big time.

    Is TPP Worse Than SOPA, PIPA & ACTA?
    If secrecy and limited information is an indicator of worse, then yes it is
    Zach Walton | February 5, 2012 @ 8:12am | 29 Comments | A A A
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    First there was SOPA, then there was PIPA. The Internet beat those back. Then along came ACTA inciting protests around the world. Up next is something far worse and far more secret – the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement.

    For those that don’t know about TPP, which is probably a large majority of the population, it’s a treaty being devised by the U.S. with eight other countries in the Pacific including Peru, Chile, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei Darussalem and Vietnam.

    What many people consider to be the most dangerous thing about TPP is that the negotiations for it are being conducted in absolute secrecy. The public is not being allowed to be involved with the process of this all too important treaty.

    http://www.webpronews.com/exclusive-sean-flynn-ip-2012-02

    At least with China we had a good idea of what wa going on. Gees I’m getting like the rest of the world and many Americans. Feed up with their power brokers.

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  4. flipper (3,985 comments) says:

    That stupid anorexic air head Bagust, just told viewers on TV one that the Prime Minister’s (yet to be negotiated) “elegant solution” to the Waaaaaatangi clause in the sold-down SOE’s, that after just three days where negotiationa did not take place because of a certain weekend, is NOT looking “quite so elegant”.
    Dumb.
    But what else can be expected from TVNZ?

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  5. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    The secrecy is being used to try to insulate the negotiation process from broader stakeholder and public input, and primarily is being driven by the USTR. What they are trying to avoid, of course, is broad attention to the many controversial provisions in the agreement which would draw criticism from citizens and businesses in the US and other negotiating countries, making reaching an agreement more difficult. This is because the norms USTR is pursuing are not broadly representative of the full scope of interests within the US or those represented in other countries. They primarily serve the big content industries and brand name pharmaceutical companies, which dominate the formal advising process that shapes the USTR positions. As the recent SOPA debate demonstrates, there are many more interests that need to be taken into account in intellectual property legislation.

    http://www.webpronews.com/exclusive-sean-flynn-ip-2012-02

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  6. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    Never was going to be anything but a sellout. Don’t trust Key anymore.

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  7. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Right on the money. The only thing spineless Key can be trusted with is going backwards and doing the opposite to what he said.

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  8. Scott Chris (6,060 comments) says:

    Alarm Bells:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6373266/Killer-stays-free-despite-knife-find

    :arrow: “Police also found ….a bush survival guide… a gas mask…..and evidence of violent threats.”

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  9. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    happy hatching anniversary v2
    looking forward to some interesting incoherent posts around 9pm

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  10. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    Griff. I’m never incoherent at 9 pm. Its either the listener or the reader.

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  11. KiwiGreg (3,249 comments) says:

    I had thought it was no longer possible to make new claims to the Waitangi Tribunal? Wasn’t there a cut off a couple of years ago?

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  12. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    National: The Property Councils Bitch

    “I’m not arguing that Houston collects disproportionately more taxes than other cities do, because I don’t know whether or not they do. I’m not trying to say that Houston is ruthlessly pummeling its citizens with taxes. My point in this post is not that Houstonians are over-taxed in total, merely to examine the significant impact that our property taxes have on the market value of our homes.

    This is clearly a major contributor to the list-prices for homes in Texas being lower than in many other states. The ways in which we choose to collect taxes distorts the market, and I find this particular impact to be interesting because I think people are overlooking it when they talk about the “low price” of housing. There are a lot of factors that contribute to the low market price of housing in Houston, and this is a big one.

    That’s my one and only point in this article.
    http://www.neohouston.com/2009/06/property-taxes-and-home-prices/

    “What may be surprising about Demographia’s analysis is not that it reflects a property developer’s ultimate fantasy, but that the Government is buying its message. ”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10554387

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  13. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    New Zealand’s special sort of “**** Day”.

    It’s common practice for bags and pockets top be searched entering events around the country in case you’re carrying the wrong brand of water.

    Surely Waitangi could do a rudimentary search for megaphones and filter out the megamaniac megamouths?

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  14. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    A High Priest of Marxism: Where Left meets Right and shafts (genuine) Greens:

    “Internationalism and leftwing politics are often presumed to go together. So, here in New Zealand much has been made of progressive support given to international causes, including the struggle against apartheid in South Africa and opposition to nuclear weapon testing in French-controlled areas of the Pacific region. However, unfortunately when it comes to issues of economics and immigration, the New Zealand left has a rather sordid history of championing populist nationalism, xenophobia and often thinly veiled racism. In this guest blog, John Moore argues that leftwing opposition to the Chinese bid for the Crafar farms highlights how progressives in this country continue to frame their politics within a conservative economic-nationalist framework. Despite the protestations of leftists opposing the Shanghai Pengxin bid, the fact is that their nationalist rhetoric has nothing to do with progressive politics and everything to do with crude foreigner bashing. [Read more below]
    http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2012/02/guest-blog-post-john-moore-leftwing-xenophobia-in-new-zealand.html

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  15. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Pissing on Westminster Abbey is pretty low brow…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783842

    The guy in the bottom of the photo with his tongue poking out pretty much sums up the IQ of those involved in this debacle…

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  16. kowtow (8,323 comments) says:

    Kiwigreg
    Some of the “settlements “have built in relativity clauses.See 3rd paragraph from the bottom in this link.
    http://www.getfrank.co.nz/editorial/nz-politics/too-much-secrecy

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  17. KiwiGreg (3,249 comments) says:

    @ kowtow yeah I recall that – Ngai Tahu’s has a renegotiation if settlements exceed the (now defunct) “fiscal envelope” but I was sure that new claims were not allowed.

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  18. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    Maybe if we want to celebrate New Zealand we need to do it on holiday overseas. Too much bitching focus here.

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  19. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783819
    Another tourist camper van knocked off – That must be 3 in the last week
    Dont these camper hire companies put alarms on their vehicles?

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  20. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783837

    Msm spin
    where is wff in this
    Dr Salmond says the result is that the total tax rate, combining income tax and GST, actually falls slightly from about 29 per cent on those with the lowest incomes to about 24 per cent on those like the Bradleys on around $50,000, then rises slowly to about 34 per cent around $150,000.
    Tax less benefit would show a different outcome

    Ps v2 lighten up I was hoping that your wish at February 7th, 2012 at 8:17 am came true with the logical conclusion of a convivial time
    http://thesaurus.com/browse/convivial

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  21. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    Green taxes—a nice little earner for some
    http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2012/02/airlines-and-emissions-permits?fsrc=gn_ep&google_editors_picks=true

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  22. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    The old Guard in Ireland is on the way to where we should put are stirrers pity we have to wait for nature
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/02/06/uk-irish-paisley-idUKTRE8151KD20120206

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  23. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    On AWG; found this and couldn’t resist posting. Comes from the climategate emails, written by Kevin E. Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the USA National Center for Atmospheric Research:

    “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.”

    Seems they regard their CO2 hypothesis as infalible.

    Cite: http://www.sciencebits.com/IPCC_nowarming

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  24. wreck1080 (3,884 comments) says:

    I don’t get why the councils are giving their CEO’s such massive pay rises . The Kapiti guy is the latest — our local CEO gets paid way too much also.

    I’ve seen figures that indicate NZ council CEO’s are paid more than their Aussie counterparts.

    It is interesting, we seem to have reached a tipping point where the NZ sheep are actually starting to get agitated by council greed.

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  25. EverlastingFire (286 comments) says:

    @Longknives – How nauseating.

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  26. KevinH (1,219 comments) says:

    @flipper

    John Key has a habit of saying one thing and then doing another, building a pattern of inconsistency to his statements.
    For instance on the Crafar Farms deal he had said that he didn’t want New Zealanders to become “tenants in their own country” : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10656731, then he is falling over the Chinese a week later :http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/key-aims-piggyback-china-s-success-4710524.
    Similarly on the section 9 scenario he also changed his tune: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/maori-party/news/article.cfm?o_id=265&objectid=10782863.

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  27. Nookin (3,282 comments) says:

    KevinH

    The statement that he does not want New Zealanders to be tenants in their own country is a valid observation but does not provide an excuse to ignore the statutory obligation to follow the Overseas Investment Act and the criteria specified for dealing with applications. He may not necessarily like the outcome but if it is one that is inevitable under present legislation, the government has no choice. It would not be a good look if, after six years of administering the Act according to the law, the government made a wholly subjective decision in the case of a specific application.

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  28. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    Looks like the Daily Mail picked up on some disgusting Waitangi Day behaviour after all
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097261/Academic-sparks-outcry-comparing-Britains-colonisation-New-Zealand-Holocaust.html

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  29. adze (2,105 comments) says:

    The Maori Council has indicated that if it is successful in its court bid over the ownership of water, there may be a cost to consumers. Seriously, why would they even say that at this stage? I can only imagine its a tactic designed to scare the government into keeping section 9 of the SOE act, or to offer a share to Iwi during the privatisation process (better than buying it).

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  30. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    /Academic-sparks-outcry

    doesn’t that bit tell you to bin the rubbish?
    If it doesn’t it damm well should.

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  31. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Why wasn’t the most recent jihadist round up in Aussie reported in our papers ?

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  32. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    “Green taxes—a nice little earner for some”

    How do Europeans reconcile paying CO2 tax, in the middle of a big freeze causing 300+ deaths?

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  33. minto57 (197 comments) says:

    hj
    xenphobes 10 and racists 9 (approximate).
    If you repeat it enough times it must be true

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  34. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    An update for Kiwibloggers!

    8 peaceful protestors from Occupy Auckland are in the Auckland District Court (Albert St) tomorrow – Wednesday 8 February 2012.

    Solidarity protest outside from 9.00am – then the hearing on the ‘Order of Committal for Contempt of Court’ starting at 10am.

    This is SERIOUS.

    8 named parties (including myself) are potentially facing imprisonment for allegedly breaching the Court Order made on 21 December 2011 by Judge Wilson by continuing to peacefully protest /camp at Aotea Square.

    Judge Wilson, in my considered opinion, treated the FACTS, the EVIDENCE and the LAW with contempt.

    I for one, treat his ‘Court Order’ with contempt.

    Decisions which are not based upon the RULE OF LAW – deserve to be treated with contempt.

    “WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW _ RESISTANCE BECOMES DUTY!”

    Council By Laws cannot ‘trump’ our lawful rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression – end of story.

    (s.155(3) Local Government Act 2002)

    I will NOT be silenced or bow down to municipal and judicial bullying and intimidation.

    I for one am prepared to go to jail in order to defend these fundamental human rights.

    This should help to cast a national and international spotlight on how our corporate-controlled Auckland Council is a $UPERCITY for the 1%, and how NZ status – ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (according to Transparency International’s 2011 ‘Corruption Perception Index’) – is not worth the paper upon which it is written.

    Tomorrow, in my opinion, will be a milestone case, for those representing the interests of the wealthy, corporate 1% vs the public majority 99%.

    Corporate rights (wrongs) – vs human rights?

    If you can make it – please be there!

    Cheers! Penny Bright
    (Named Respondent)

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  35. Elaycee (4,375 comments) says:

    AHOY PENNY:

    Have you completed your course on how to read Director’s remuneration levels from Annual Reports yet? Or are you still talking crap about the POAL remunerations?

    Maybe there’ll be plenty of time on your hands for you to educate yourself, if you’re locked up tomorrow! :D

    Boo ferkin hoo.

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  36. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    Penny tarnish
    I would love to go to court and laugh my head off when the 0.0005% get locked up
    Unfortunately some in this country have to work to pay tax so scum like you can smell up the place

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  37. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Penny, you state that “Decisions which are not based upon the RULE OF LAW – deserve to be treated with contempt”.

    Can we then assume that, based on those times you have refused to follow the RULE OF LAW, you are willing to be treated with contempt? Do you admit that you deserve to be treated with contempt?

    From the Occupy Auckland website, the general assembly minutes dated 17 December 2011:

    “Penny – notice of proposal: we are requesting access to power in a proper way if not, WE’LL TAKE IT”

    This, along with your earlier well-known activities in encouraging people to STEAL water they have not paid for, shows that you have no consideration for parts of the law anyway. So do you just pick and choose which parts of the law should apply to you?

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  38. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    hard to type… can’t stop laughing.

    Penny – how much do you reckon your prima donna act has cost Auckland rate payers so far?

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  39. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    “Jail safest place for son” in 2010:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/3210564/Jail-safest-place-for-son-says-dad
    “Halley Alan Waterhouse, 24, unemployed, [described in court as an intravenous drug user] was arrested and charged with attempted arson and threatening to kill.”

    Jail would have been the safest place for all involved, and all who were in contact with that piece of shit.

    Two years later, surprise surprise:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6373514/Pair-admit-assault-of-evil-5-year-old
    “Sonja Rae Veza, 24, and Halley Waterhouse, 26, of New Plymouth have admitted charges of assault and ill-treatment of a child… The couple were charged after the child was assessed for extensive bruising by a paediatrician.”

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  40. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    “I for one, treat his ‘Court Order’ with contempt.”

    That’s what the police tazers are for.

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  41. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    @ SteveBraunias
    Advertisement: I want to learn shorthand & live in Auckland. Does anyone know of night schools (not online) or private tutors or whatever?

    @Reply
    @SteveBraunias Shorthand For Modern Journalists? You only need to know two – Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V

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  42. Keeping Stock (10,299 comments) says:

    Penny Bright froths

    Solidarity protest outside from 9.00am – then the hearing on the ‘Order of Committal for Contempt of Court’ starting at 10am.

    This is SERIOUS.

    8 named parties (including myself) are potentially facing imprisonment for allegedly breaching the Court Order made on 21 December 2011 by Judge Wilson by continuing to peacefully protest /camp at Aotea Square.

    Judge Wilson, in my considered opinion, treated the FACTS, the EVIDENCE and the LAW with contempt.

    I for one, treat his ‘Court Order’ with contempt.

    Decisions which are not based upon the RULE OF LAW – deserve to be treated with contempt.

    Are you trying to be a martyr Penny? Personally, I hope that Judge Wilson is shown your post by one of his support staff, and that you are given the opportunity to make a case as to why you should not be imprisoned for contempt of court.

    Face it; Occupy Auckland was an abject failure. Nobody gives a toss about your self-promoting ranting, although your squealing like a stuck pig when you were arrested a couple of weeks back provided mild amusement. Personally, I hope that whichever judge hears the case tomorrow wakes up feeling very shitty-livered, and delivers you the come-uppance which you seem so desperate for.

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  43. Megatron (187 comments) says:

    Fuck off Penny….you attention seeking waste of space…..what part of GO AWAY do you not understand???

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  44. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    The anti asset sales protest hits a high note in the Parliament grounds.

    Assets protester jumps gun on Peters

    Winston Peters experienced technical issues this afternoon after a screaming protester threatened to cut his microphone at a state assets protest.

    Occupy Wellington protester Jonathan Elliot, who organised the anti-asset sales rally on the steps of Parliament today, launched into an abusive tirade against Mr Peters over a misunderstanding on whether he would speak or not.

    When Mr Peters took the microphone soon afterwards, Mr Elliot launched in to a tirade of personal abuse.

    Shouting at Mr Peters, Mr Elliot said “if you f…… lie again I will turn you off. Speak the truth Winston,” Mr Elliot said.

    After the screaming match Peters was allowed to talk to “about 70 people” (does that include the parade of politicians?)

    Other speakers at the rally included Green Party co-leader Russell Norman, Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove and Mana Party leader Hone Harawira.

    Mr Norman noted the crowd at the rally was small but he said they represented the vast majority of New Zealanders.

    Yeah, right, who showed overwhelming support for the protest.

    “The Maori Party campaigned against this – so too did the United Future Party so there goes their mandate,” Mr Peters said.

    Ignorance or lying. United Future did not campaign against asset sales.

    Peter Dunne proposed the idea of partial asset sales in 2005, a time when he was in coalition with Labour.

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  45. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    The Messiah has a fight: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/02/06/catholic-league-poised-to-go-to-war-with-obama-over-mandatory-birth-control-payments/

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  46. Inky_the_Red (756 comments) says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/06/right-stupidity-spreads-enabled-polite-left

    I now realise I should stop being nice

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  47. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    This is quite cool.
    You may need to turn the sound off but.

    http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

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  48. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    re the above @ 5.19

    i should have said, click and drag and zoom etc.

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  49. Steve (4,547 comments) says:

    Would/could someone tell me how to use this RIP add on?
    I have it installed but not sure exactly what to do. I’ve had a gutsfull of that scumbag poluting this Blog

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  50. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    1. A stoush at a boxing publicity event
    2. Media make it out to be big news
    3. The sun rose this morning

    It’s not even proper boxing, it’s a celeberity self promotion bout.

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  51. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Who is Peter Dunne?

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  52. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Greedy Stone Age people should be told to fuck off. They want the water, too: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10783913

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  53. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Two views on Syria:

    The West’s:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9063618/Downing-St-Syria-UN-vote-incomprehensible-and-inexcusable.html

    The East’s:
    http://rt.com/politics/syria-arab-primakov-foreign-561/

    Which one is right? Hint: if you really do think Fox News is ‘fair and balanced,’ you’re unlikely to guess correctly.

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  54. Steve (4,547 comments) says:

    Greedy Stone Age people should be told to fuck off. They want the water?

    In what state?
    Solid
    Liquid
    Gas

    All of the above?
    How about they own the Water but in the case of a flood they pay all damages? No? Thought not.

    Is seawater worth more than fresh water?

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  55. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Council By Laws cannot ‘trump’ our lawful rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression – end of story.

    You weren’t just assembling to protest, you were explicitly occupying public land.

    These public spaces are for everyone you know. Please stop being so utterly selfish and let families and children use the facilities.

    I for one am prepared to go to jail in order to defend these fundamental human rights.

    Penny is fighting for the principle that anyone can seize public land, deprive others of its use and wreck its environment.
    Illegal logging on state land in Brazil is a big problem, and the illegal seizure and development of public land is an issue in many countries, but Penny is effectively fighting to legitimise such activity and open the flood gates here in NZ.

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  56. Steve (4,547 comments) says:

    “Penny is fighting for the principle that anyone can seize public land, deprive others of its use and wreck its environment”

    Right, that’s why the RATEPAYERS had to put up with her and the smellie dirty hippies at Aotea Square.

    The nutbar is mad and full of shit

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  57. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    A bit rich of the US to cry foul over China / Russia veto over Syria, given their record of veto of anything critical of Israel.

    Shows how toothless the UN can be, with its current strucure. 5400 civilians dead at the hands of a dictator and no sustantial response.

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  58. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    A bit rich of the US to cry foul over China / Russia veto over Syria, given their record of veto of anything critical of Israel.

    All part of the Brzezhinsky plan, fatnuts. If there weren’t so many gormless idiots so willing to believe anything old vomit that spews out of the western MSM, perhaps it wouldn’t happen quite so much. Those idiots sure have a lot of blood on their hands, that’s for sure.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29074

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29107

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  59. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Steve (2,145) Says:
    February 7th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    Greedy Stone Age people should be told to fuck off. They want the water?

    Nuh, mate, they want their water back!

    You know, like the return of stolen goods.

    Then, like the free-range capitalists we are, we will have no problems purchasing said water from the rightful owners.

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  60. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    I spent six months travelling all over the West Bank, and Gaza, ten years ago. We’d regularly see one thing happen, then the opposite reported on CNN.

    Can only really conclude that some major media outlets are subject to a high degree of manipulation.

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  61. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    100 people in the world…
    http://www.100people.org/statistics_100stats.php?section=statistics

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  62. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    All the water they owed has evaporated long ago.
    are we going to filter all water for theirs? how will we identify it?
    sounds like homeopathy to me

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  63. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    A little girl asks her mum, ‘Mum, can I take the dog for a walk around the block?’
    Her mum replies ‘No, because she is in heat.’
    ‘What does that mean?’ asked the child.
    ‘Go and ask your father. I think he’s in the garage.’
    The little girl goes out to the garage and says, ‘Dad, can I take Lulu for a walk around the block? I asked Mum, but she said the dog was on the heat, and to come ask you.’
    He took a rag, soaked it in petrol, and scrubbed the dog’s backside with it to disguise the scent, and said ‘Ok, you can go now, but keep Lulu on the leash and only go one time around the block.’
    The little girl left and returned a few minutes later with no dog on the leash.
    Surprised, Dad asked, ‘Where’s Lulu?’
    The little girl said, ‘She ran out of petrol about halfway round the block, so another dog is pushing her home.’

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  64. Nostalgia-NZ (5,119 comments) says:

    fatnuts 7.46

    Thanks for that.
    We can of course anticipate some concilatory tone from Russia in due course, a tempering of the outrage.
    I guess some people get fooled by the official visits, belated, to parts of the middle east were civilians are being killed.
    Because officials are so busy somewhere, opening a shoping mall, or discussing the price of oil, they can’t go straight away, or even use the phone. Things like children dying can’t get in the way of a ‘good’ sidestep.
    I don’t support any of it, or any proclomations about the past in order to forgive as ‘collateral’ the acts of the empowered against children and people in their homes. Or even those that venture out to shout slogans, throw rocks or bombs.
    So I guess I don’t get a stamp or a bit coloured paper.

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  65. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Sad thing is I expect both sides are using civilian suffering to further their political ends.

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  66. Nostalgia-NZ (5,119 comments) says:

    fatnutrs 8.13

    Yes.
    So they’re not leaders at all, because leaders first of all will protect their people at all cost, and never look away, never contemplate sacrifice of those they protect for a greater good.

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  67. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    reposted from kb
    sauce of knowledge (9) Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    SOCIALISM
    You have 2 cows.
    You give one to your neighbour.

    COMMUNISM
    You have 2 cows.
    The State takes both and gives you some milk.

    FASCISM
    You have 2 cows.
    The State takes both and sells you some milk.

    NAZISM
    You have 2 cows.
    The State takes both and shoots you.

    BUREAUCRATISM
    You have 2 cows.
    The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away…

    TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM
    You have two cows.
    You sell one and buy a bull.
    Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
    You sell them and retire on the income.

    SURREALISM
    You have two giraffes.
    The government requires you to take harmonica lessons

    AN AMERICAN CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows.
    Later, you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has dropped dead.

    ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM
    You have two cows.
    You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island Company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. You sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States, leaving you with nine cows. No balance sheet provided with the release. The public then buys your bull.

    A FRENCH CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    You go on strike, organise a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows.

    A JAPANESE CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty
    times the milk. You then create a clever cow cartoon image called ‘Cowkimon’ and market it worldwide.

    A GERMAN CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.

    AN ITALIAN CORPORATION
    You have two cows, but you don’t know where they are.
    You decide to have lunch.

    A SWISS CORPORATION
    You have 5000 cows. None of them belong to you.
    You charge the owners for storing them.

    A CHINESE CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    You have 300 people milking them.
    You claim that you have full employment, and high bovine productivity.
    You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.

    AN INDIAN CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    You worship them.

    A BRITISH CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    Both are mad.

    AN IRAQI CORPORATION
    Everyone thinks you have lots of cows.
    You tell them that you have none.
    No-one believes you, so they bomb the **** out of you and invade your country.
    You still have no cows, but at least now you are part of Democracy….

    AN AUSTRALIAN CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    Business seems pretty good.
    You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate.

    A NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION
    You have two cows.
    The one on the left looks very attractive

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  68. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    100 people in the world…

    1 would be dying of starvation
    15 would be undernourished
    21 would be overweight

    With poverty a big talking point here how would those proportions compare to new Zealand?

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  69. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    bit hard to say pg some of the overweight ones would be undernourished do you no wot a diet of mcDs will do to you

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  70. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Fatnuts and nostaligia, why don’t you read those links I gave people interested in Syria above, if you want to know why the Russians are doing what they’re doing, because clearly neither of you know and you’ll sure as hell never hear even if you listen closely to every single report from the western MSM.

    I don’t care to debate it BTW, how do you know the Russians aren’t wrong, and how do I know the West isn’t? None of us do, since we lack the intelligence, so what’s the point of debating it but I posted them only because if you ignore even analysing the reasons for the other side’s actions, then you’re guilty of gross stupidty, and from the level of conversation over this issue in the last three years, that allegation applies to a hell of a lot of people.

    In case such a perspective as Russia has comes as a surprise to anyone and they just can’t understand why anyone would ever think like that, then realise this is just another link in the Brzezhinsky chain which I and others have been watching since he got himself re-installed at the levers of power when Obama came in. And I suppose even that information will be news to some poor uninformed souls who not only didn’t realise that simple fact but can’t even work out what it means, either. But FFS, understand this is not unique to Syria, it’s been happening since before the first reports started coming out of Syria, which is how all these operations start and if you never look at the geopolitical picture but only focus on say the events in Qom, you’ll never ever ever ever see the forest, only a single widdle twee and you’ll learn about as much.

    I guess listening to Morning Report this morning and McCully and Checkpoint this evening just really pissed me off, given journalists are paid to put the facts before the people and let them decide and they can’t even do that properly, even RadioLeftWing, even those people who have a vested interest in making the US look bad, can’t do it. Fucking morons. Let’s hope even just one or two people here don’t prove to be quite as stupid as RadioLeftWing journos, but I’m not holding my breath.

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  71. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    An Catholic priest is driving through Auckland and gets stopped for speeding in Ponsonby.
    The police officer smells alcohol on the priest’s breath and then sees an empty wine bottle on the floor of the car. He says, “Sir, have you been drinking?”
    “Just water,” says the priest.
    The officer says, “Then why do I smell wine?”
    The priest looks at the bottle and says, “Good Lord! He’s done it again!”

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  72. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    The water loon is back!

    This is SERIOUS.

    You mis-spelled “hilarious”

    I for one, treat his ‘Court Order’ with contempt.

    Excellent, thanks for saving the taxpayer some money by admitting contempt of court here.

    Decisions which are not based upon the RULE OF LAW – deserve to be treated with contempt.

    Sheer hypocrisy. You are happy to ignore the rule of law any time it suits. Can’t get power legally? Steal it, says Penny.

    I for one am prepared to go to jail in order to defend these fundamental human rights.

    No, you are wishing to go to jail for egotistical publicity and get your absurd hat seen on tv.

    Tomorrow, in my opinion, will be a milestone case, for those representing the interests of the wealthy, corporate 1% vs the public majority 99%.

    Don’t kid yourself. The mana party stood on a “99 percenter” platform, repeating all the Occupy rhetoric. Percentage of votes they got? One per cent. You leftist whingers ARE the 1 per cent. The option was on the table at the election, no one took it. You have no mandate, and you speak for no one except your own loony selves.

    Corporate rights (wrongs) – vs human rights?

    No, the rights of humans other than yourself – the ones who wanted to peacefully enjoy the square for activities far more popular than yours, without being abused by smelly, criminal, mentally ill deviants.

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  73. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    An old priest got sick of everyone in his parish confessing adultery. During one Sunday’s sermon he told them, “If one more person confesses to adultery, I’ll quit!??? Since everyone liked him, they decided to use a code word: “fallen.??? From then on, anyone who had committed adultery said they had “fallen.??? This satisfied the old priest and the parishioners, and everything was fine for years, until finally the old priest passed away at the ripe old age of 93. Shortly after the new young priest settled in, he paid a call on the mayor. The priest was quite concerned. “You have to do something about the sidewalks in this town, Mayor. You can’t believe how many people come into the confessional talking about having fallen!??? The mayor started to laugh, realizing that no one had explained their code word to the new priest. But before the mayor could explain, the priest shook his finger at the mayor and said, “I don’t know why you’re laughing; your wife fell three times last week!???

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  74. Andrei (2,570 comments) says:

    Reid great EVIL is loose in the world at this point. Syria is just one point but if the West gets its way what will happen to the Syrian Christians? – clue: what is happening to the Egyptian ones? What has happened to the Iraqi ones?

    In the West the attacks on the Church are more subtle and don’t spill blood but they are happening too.

    I don’t know how this is going to play out, a Sarajevo moment somewhere will trigger something very nasty and the end of the West sometime very soon, within ten years – maybe a lot sooner.

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  75. MT_Tinman (3,136 comments) says:

    Pete George (12,270) Says:
    February 7th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
    100 people in the world…

    1 would be dying of starvation
    15 would be undernourished
    21 would be overweight

    With poverty a big talking point here how would those proportions compare to new Zealand?

    I’m overweight Pete (one of the “21”), I worked for every pound of it and, personally, I don’t give a shit!

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  76. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    The generation that see the sons of Israel return home will also see Armageddon

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  77. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    reid,

    Come on now. You don’t think perhaps that the Russians have a slightly different view on Syria due to the weapons business they have there? Similarly as was the case with Libya until they were ‘tricked’ into failing to veto military action against them (reading the link you posted above.)

    Or that of China – the #1 supplier to Syria? http://executive-magazine.com/getarticle.php?article=9819

    Or China’s trade with Libya” http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/eef58d52-3fe2-11e0-811f-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1lgIQOAEz
    or http://www.mysinchew.com/node/62619

    Not a great Western corporate conspiracy reid. Merely self interest of a couple of nations – Russia and China

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  78. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Yes Andrei and thank you for being one I don’t have to explain to. The pace has been accelerating for a few years now. They are getting a lot more blatant, which means they’re getting arrogant, which is sometimes fatal, but unfortunately even the blatant nature of their various operations hasn’t produced even a single iota of recognition or dawning amongst the vast billions of sheeple.

    It’s not looking good but at the end of the day, what you suggest is ultimately what its about, although lest some misunderstand, getting rid of Christians in Syria is not the endgame of Syria, Syria is about alliances, and is a mere domino, but the end game, which they’re pursuing, is that, on a global basis and not just Christians either but I won’t bore people with the details. But first, the sheeple have to be prepared and that’s a few more years away yet.

    2015 is my prediction Andrei.

    You don’t think perhaps that the Russians have a slightly different view on Syria due to the weapons business they have there?

    bhudson what’s the point of pointing to a Russian vested interest? I could point you to a dozen US/UK/Israel vested interests. What does that prove? Nothing. Just make sure you’re familiar with both sides, regardless of which side you believe, over this.

    Then you’ll be better equipped to watch it all unfold as it all happens again, to their next target. Not that there’s many left now.

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  79. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Reid, I wouldn’t debate it either, as it’s not something I know enough about. My only point was my experience with Western MSM in the ME referenced against first hand observation was somewhat damning. That and my sympathy for civilians (probably) getting used by both sides.

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  80. Andrei (2,570 comments) says:

    Reid look at this filmed in Damascus in November – you didn’t see this on the News. It is Patriarch Kirill of Moscow’s visit to Damascus

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  81. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    reid,

    bhudson what’s the point of pointing to a Russian vested interest?

    The point is very simple. You posted two links, with a challenge as to which is the more believable. The inference (very clear) was the second. My point is that the second link was a defence of the Russian position on Syria, by a Russian and can be explained very simply by the fact that Russia has vested economic interests in the status quo in Syria.

    As does China… As did they both for Libya…

    No evidence of a great Western/corporate conspiracy. Merely positions taken based on the self-interest of nations.

    Two views on Syria:

    The West’s:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9063618/Downing-St-Syria-UN-vote-incomprehensible-and-inexcusable.html

    The East’s:
    http://rt.com/politics/syria-arab-primakov-foreign-561/

    Which one is right? Hint: if you really do think Fox News is ‘fair and balanced,’ you’re unlikely to guess correctly.

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  82. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    you didn’t see this on the News

    Thanks Andrei and no, we didn’t did we. Just like we didn’t see this, either.

    Can’t have people thinking Ghaddafi was popular, can we. That’s just crap. If anyone thinks that was contrived with lots of actors, why don’t you research what Ghaddafi did for his people. And now look at whose getting tortured and killed by all those lovers of democracy freedom fighters that YOU were cheering for.

    No evidence of a great Western/corporate conspiracy. Merely positions taken based on the self-interest of nations.

    Er. I posted more than that, Bhudson. Look for the other post. Also, are you seriously suggesting you’ve used those links to analyse ME geopolitical equations in Syria and now you know the answer? Crikey. Forgive me if I don’t invite you to play ‘The Great Game’ at my place too often. I’m not sure you’ll be very good at it.

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  83. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Reid, I read your links, and get your point re who’s driving the violence.

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  84. Andrei (2,570 comments) says:

    That and my sympathy for civilians (probably) getting used by both sides.

    We are all pawns in this battle fatnuts – it is in fact a Spiritual war and we all have to be very careful not to aid the adversary.

    A great blasphemy occurred not too long ago – a most egregious thing – few noticed, some celebrated. I’m not going to say what it was but it was an abomination and of that there is no doubt.

    We have turned our faces away from God and whenever that happens big troubles soon follow.

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  85. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    No, I beleive its about money and influence. Religion is just a way to get the masses to do and think things they otherwise wouldn’t.

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  86. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10783913

    Key on Waitangi claim: ‘No one owns water’

    Hope they keep that line no mater wot the Waitangi tribunal says

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  87. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    reid,

    Also, are you seriously suggesting you’ve used those links to analyse ME geopolitical equations in Syria and now you know the answer?

    No, my point was they do absolutely nothing at all to show any overriding conspiracy on the ME. In fact what they illustrate is that the parties took a contrary position simply because they have economic interests that are served by the status quo.

    I think that if you want to allude to (let alone demonstrate) some great global conspiracy, you will have to do a lot better…

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  88. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    fatnuts (94) Says:
    February 7th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
    You are not discussing your beliefs here
    hint do Andrei and reid have any thing in common
    three score and ten from 1947
    Read the bible very carefully

    and I am still an atheist
    just married a JW once

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  89. Andrei (2,570 comments) says:

    Nobody knows the time and day Griff, especially not me.

    I can read the signs though and I know what happens when people abandon God because it has happened many times before.

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  90. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    That is the prophecy described in the last book of the New Testament of the Bible, called the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ to Saint John the Evangelist
    The four horsemen
    War
    Pestilence
    Famine
    and the one most get wrong
    chaos

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  91. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Amen

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  92. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    ramon

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  93. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Kaos? Where’s Agent 99 when we need her?

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  94. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    bhudson if you haven’t realised by now that China and Russia are allied with Iran which is allied with Syria and was with Libya and the entire Arab Spring is about getting rid of the old Western satraps that had completed their used-by dates and now the US/UK is installing new ones specifically in order to secure oil supplies so as to keep their compliant western-dominated ME world going as they have since WWII, then you don’t know the first thing. For that’s only superficial. The real devious stuff is whats being played out under the surface with the war on terror and Af-Pak and Iraq but if you haven’t even recognised the superficial stuff then how would you understand the really devious stuff.

    But some seem to get their global news from places like Fox and CNN and CBS/ABS/PBS and others who never talk about anything but the “evil empires” that the good guys who love democracy are simply combating in order to bring freedom to the world, and I’m sorry but I don’t even know where to start with correcting that kind of thinking.

    Perhaps if you looked at the corruption in US politics, that’s where I’d start if I was just starting, personally. That’s really, really obvious. Then once you see that, you can use the same process to discern the same thing in the UK which is a lot more subtle but still there, to those with eyes. When I say “corruption” of course I’m not talking about individual politicians taking bribes – der. I’m talking about the wholesale manipulation of US foreign policy for the benefit of a few nations and a few corporations, which results in foreign actions which ultimately have a net negative benefit to the very people whom those politicians represent. If you look for that, you can’t miss it and once you see that, just follow your nose, it’s not hard to do.

    I’m not interested in “alluding” or “demonstrating” anything for I know, since I used to think like you do, what it takes to break that mindset. And one can’t do it even with the most erudite posts on a single blog thread. But if you do what I suggest above using your own abilities and looking into areas in US FP which interest you, it won’t be long before you see it because it happens all the time and in all arenas not just the ME, but you have to be awake to the possibility of it, just like everything else if you’re hunting for clues. With detectives they have an easier job since they have a body, they know something happened. All they have to do is find the perp. With this stuff, there is no body, at first, because that’s your mindset. Therefore you and others who think like you and also like I used to, just step right over them without noticing them. All the time.

    It’s quite easy for a Kiwi BTW, we seem to have naturally suspicious mindsets. That’s a good thing.

    And if you’re worried you might get sucked into some fantasy which isn’t real and then people laugh at you because your ideas are simply preposterous and the world doesn’t really work like that well firstly, who gives a shit about those ignorant fucks and secondly, I don’t think that will happen to you because everyone’s IQ remains the same when they start looking at this stuff and it pays to be skeptical, real skeptical. Because that’s what science is. But don’t be so skeptical that when you’ve looked at it, and you’ve eliminated every other possibility and the only logical remaining alternative is the absurd, then don’t be so skeptical that you then reject the absurd simply because it is and accept the impossible simply because the alternative could not possibli be true. For that could be the truth. It may not be but it sometimes is, not always, but sometimes. That’s when the bright ones make progress whereas that’s also when the useful idiots return to their burrows and recommence gathering their nuts for the winter, simply because their minds weren’t big enough to comprehend what the logic was telling them, despite their emotions telling them this is bullshit and the world doesn’t work like this and people will laugh at me. So that’s the tension in one preventing just anyone from immediately seeing this straight away, and if you understand that as a tension which is operating as you’re analysing this kind of material then self-awareness of that is a big part of not being affected by it and the other element is being bright enough to discern when what you’re reading really is bullshit and when it’s actually true, even when it seems absurd.

    And I think bhudson you’ve got everything required to do that, the question is for you, do you want to or would you rather just keep going on the ra-ra-west-is-best line forever and ever, amen? And risk being surprised very severely by any number of economic and war scenarios I could throw at you right now which would result in your whole life being turned upside down, notwithstanding we both live at the bottom of the South Pacific?

    OTY really. Good night, and God bless.

    hint do Andrei and reid have any thing in common

    Griff, FYI, I’m not and never have been a JW, and my 2015 prediction is not derived from them. Nor quite frankly from any religious text. It comes straight from politics.

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  95. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    reid,

    There is no Black Nobility. It is that simple.

    You ‘jumped the shark’ on this when you linked to rense.com a few days ago.

    [BTW - does he still store the nonsense 'article' on the Shell-NZ-National-Rockefeller conspiracy? Somewhat of a laugh at the time - mostly because it was an incredibly poorly written piece of tripe trying desperately to masquerade as an expose.]

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  96. calendar girl (1,216 comments) says:

    Penny, if you are held to be in contempt of Judge Wilson’s Court order (as you acknowledge yourself to be) I hope that you have a thoroughly uncomfortable time in prison.

    And that you are not released from prison until you have purged your contempt.

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  97. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    Govt keeping mum over Dotcom raid

    Tuesday, 7, Feb, 2012 2:46PM

    The Government’s staying mum over the heavy handed raid on the residence of Kim Dotcom where unlocked doors were bashed in by gun toting police wearing civilian clothes and bandannas.

    New Police Minister Anne Tolley pushed past reporters on her way into the debating chamber when she was asked about it.

    “The reality is that this is a case that’s before the courts so I’m unable to make any comment.”

    She continued to decline to answer the question, even though she was told that it was before the American courts instead of our courts.

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  98. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    Yes Reid you are a christian of unspecified denomination and Andrei is orthodox
    funny that your prediction matches
    There were few on kiwi blog that were not jumping with joy when Libya fell
    interesting times
    sorry if my previous posts offended you

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  99. fatnuts (160 comments) says:

    Reid, nice post.

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  100. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    There is no Black Nobility. It is that simple. You ‘jumped the shark’ on this when you linked to rense.com a few days ago.

    I’ve cited links to rense stories every day for years now bhudson. I’m assuming you and others hadn’t picked up on that before from the fact you and others never said anything cos as soon as you cite rense, normally its gameover for those people still sadly inhabiting the cognitive dissonance world. But instead, for years and years and years all of you, including you as I recall many times, debated happily on all sorts of “real world” topics, never apparently once realising the source came from rense. Isn’t that interesting and isn’t that telling as to what sort of a site rense really is.

    He’s a real journalist you see, one of the few left. One who doesn’t judge, or spin. Simply puts it up and lets people make up their minds. We get hardly any of that, these days, do we. Certainly none of our local media offer that service, Scoop is possibly closest. [That's probably where you'll find the Opal file if that's what you were talking about with Shell etc]

    I deliberately showed people the root site on purpose a few days ago because the Black Nobility is cognitive dissonance city Arizona and I wanted to test reaction. I mean, even I have trouble with that. That’s not the half of it, BTW. The rest of it is called Satanic Ritual Abuse and that’s a real doozy and it’s not what you think: i.e. it’s not the phenomena of false memory syndrome and it’s not the Ellis case. It’s real satanism, as in, actual summoning of demons, and real child sacrifice and it happens all the time. They use magazines like Vogue for their catalogues. If you understand illuminati symbolism you can see it: e.g. check out the December 2010 French Vogue.

    But that’s for another day.

    The point you have to understand which clearly you don’t yet, is that even if some of it may be nuts (to the ill-informed) such as Black Nobility, some of it isn’t such as all those hundreds possibly thousands of links we have all happily debated over the last 8-10 years I’ve been on here.

    And that’s what I meant above about discernment. I tried to be nice to you above and give you some pointers as if you were genuinely interested not realising you weren’t and aren’t, so I shan’t waste my time on you again.

    Thanks for the heads up on your nature. GL for predicting the future. Mine works, hope yours does.

    Don’t forget, if rense is crap, how come I cited all those rense links for years and years and no-one noticed. That should tell you something about rense, if you can possibli overcome all that pesky cognitive dissonance.

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  101. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    reid, are you channeling Sherlock Holmes?
    “Moriarty reveals he owns shares in companies across Europe in cotton, guns and other goods, and plans to start a war that will create a large demand for them and make him a fortune.”
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1515091/synopsis

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  102. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/disturbing-sex-kitten-vogue-photoshoot-featuring-children/

    http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/chanel-iman-illuminati-symbolism-in-fashion/

    this reid?

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  103. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Yes Griff, that’s the one, but look further for the meaning of the symbolism. Apologies for misreading your intent, previously.

    reid, are you channeling Sherlock Holmes? “Moriarty reveals he owns shares in companies across Europe in cotton, guns and other goods, and plans to start a war that will create a large demand for them and make him a fortune.”

    Partly RN, but why not have a look at real world things, such as Bush 41’s involvement in the United Fruit Company in the 60’s in Ecuador for example, if you want an actual politician who really does do stuff like that, all the time? Then of course look at the examples everyone already knows about, like Cheney’s Haliburton and Rumsfeld’s involvement with the FDA while he was running the company that made aspartame.

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  104. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    Damn youtube, that was a funny diversion

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  105. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    At 7.55pm, Tuesday 7 February 2012, at the Auckland Central Police Station, I filed a formal complaint, alleging perjury against the Auckland Council Manager for Risk and Assurance, Natalie Verdouw.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Under the NZ Crimes Act 1961, 108 Perjury defined

    “(1) Perjury is an assertion as to a matter of fact, belief, or knowledge made by a witness in a judicial proceeding as part of his evidence on oath, whether the evidence is given in open court or by affidavit or otherwise, that assertion being known to the witness to be false and being intended by him to mislead the tribunal holding the proceeding.”

    EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THIS COMPLAINT:

    A) Supplementary affidavit of Natalie Verdouw in support of application for injunction to prevent breach of bylaw, CIV-2011-404-002497, between Auckland Council (Applicant) and The Occupiers of Aotea Square (Respondents) sworn 2 December 2011:

    Paragraph 9

    ” On Monday 28 November 2011 Conor Roberts (the Mayor’s chief political advisor) telephoned me to arrange a further meeting to be held that day to hear the responses from Occupy Auckland to the Mayor’s requests. I called Andrew Hendrie to determine whether resolutions had been made by the group during the course of the two General Assembly meetings held over the weekend.
    He told me that no resolutions had been made. ……..”

    B) Email from Andrew Hendrie to Penny Bright, dated 6 December 2011:

    “Penny,
    To answer your question from Sunday, council called on Monday to find out the outcome from the GA and I advised them of my understanding of the situation, which is what I have done for the last 6 weeks with them, that was that the GA had agreed to invite the mayor and council to the GA. that was the only resolution communicated to me from Chris…………………

    I know about this one resolution because I saw the letter from Sunday’s GA and I signed it. ”

    (Also – pages 4 – 32 of the Notes of Evidence taken before Judge DM Wilson QC, Hearing Date 8 December 2011, CIV-2011-004-002497 )

    SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS COMPLAINT:

    It was from this one allegedly untrue telephone conversation between the Auckland Council Manager for Risk and Assurance, Natalie Verdouw and ONE member of the Occupy Auckland Council Liaison Team, Andrew Hendrie, that triggered the ongoing Court proceedings between Auckland Council and Occupy Auckland peaceful protestors.

    On Wednesday 8 February 2012, as a ‘Named Respondent’ I am facing an Order of Committal for contempt of Court, and in so doing, am facing imprisonment. I have broken no law. Council Bylaws cannot ‘trump’ our lawful rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression, and Judge Wilson’s decision is under appeal.

    Had Court proceedings arguably not been precipitiously triggered by Ms Verdouw’s perjurious statement(s), myself and other peaceful Occupy Auckland protestors would not now be facing jail.

    Please be reminded of your Police Oath, and, without ‘favour or affection, malice or illwill’ uphold the law of New Zealand in a proper way help ensure that ‘ justice is done and is seen to be done’.

    Yours sincerely,

    COMPLAINANT: Penelope Mary Bright (aka Penny Bright)

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  106. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    you a little bit worried there penny
    good
    wish you could understand
    you do not represent 99%
    you represent yourself
    remember we will be watching today
    and hoping your self interested gets you your Deserts

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  107. big bruv (13,725 comments) says:

    Penny.

    Nobody cares.

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  108. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    Three German tourists had their campavan robbed while showering. Photo / Thinkstock
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    Three German tourists had their campavan robbed while showering. Photo / Thinkstock

    Three German tourists were taking their last shower before leaving the country when they lost all their belongings.

    Tim Potschka, Igor Tows and Theo Jacobi parked their campervan outside the old Auckland train station for two hours while they went to a nearby backpackers to freshen up.

    They planned to fly out of New Zealand the next day after a month of touring the country. But when they returned to their van, it had been broken into. Everything – including laptops, wallets and passports – was gone.

    “We were shocked and helpless. We didn’t know what to do,” said Mr Potschka. He said they called police, but nobody arrived for four hours, so they went to the station and “they wrote it down and that’s it.

    So that must have been the day it took 78 kitted up ninga’s and two helicopters to serve an arrest warrant on a Kiwi resident at his own home in a leafy suburb of Auckland.
    Must have been because seems noone else was avaiable in central Auckland to respond to a non residents property being burgaled and stolen.
    Seems to me the Ms tolley should be asking the new Commissioner to explain themselves instead of running the usual its in court bullshit which was actually untrue.

    The commisioner has a bunch of rouge, unacountable police in the Auckland area that he needs to get under control.
    Will Mike Clements sort them?
    Not sure but he certainly sorted some in the Bay even if he left a couple behind.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784064

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  109. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Good on the owner for chasing away this savage: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6379854/Dairy-owner-stumps-knife-wielding-robber

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  110. Viking2 (11,413 comments) says:

    Perhaps the Press should OIO Ms Tolley and ask what the cost of arresting Dotcam was in total.
    The we could ask what good 70 of those people and two helicopters on hire could have done elsewhere in our community.

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  111. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Smile-and-wave doesn’t inspire much confidence these days: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/6373110/Key-confident-in-face-of-Waitangi-court-case

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  112. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784076
    Anger at ‘Maori holocaust’ comment
    DEATH TOLL
    NZ colonisation
    * The Maori population fell by 40 per cent.
    * More than 21,000 killed in warfare and 120,000 other deaths.
    * Causes: War, disease and deprivation of resources.

    Fucking bullshit
    The deaths happened between 1812 and 1842 mostly before the treaty was sighed in 1840
    Settler population at signing was less than 1000(as opposed to transient sailors, missionarys, whalers etc)
    The wars were by Maori on Maori
    Deprivation of resources was by Maori
    Maori population pre contact 100,000to 110,000 40% would be 40000to 44000
    Disease was only a minor impact of contact warfare, slavery and cannibalism killed a far greater proportion.
    At least 1000 smoked heads exported 1% of the population who smoked them white men?

    A holocaust perpetrated by Maori on Maori
    not the settlers

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  113. Put it away (2,878 comments) says:

    Rense, for fuck’s sake! Always thought reid was a bit of loon, but now he’s hit the motherlode of batshit insane conspiracy fantasy.

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  114. Elaycee (4,375 comments) says:

    AHOY AGAIN PENNY:

    You didn’t answer my previous query whether someone had taught you how to read the financials in a standard Annual Report, or whether you preferred to maintain your modus operandi and just spout the first shit that comes into your tin foil covered head. Including your totally incorrect version of Director remuneration levels at the POA.

    And yet you have the cheek to complain to Police whether someone else has spoken the truth? Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

    I see you’re back in the Auckland Court today and I just know you’ll be devastated I won’t be there to see your latest charade. I hope this case is being heard by Justice Wilson (the same Justice Wilson of whom you said: “…in my considered opinion, treated the FACTS, the EVIDENCE and the LAW with contempt”….. and then added “…I for one, treat his ‘Court Order’ with contempt…”).

    And be a big girl if he locks you up – don’t drop your lip and start bawling like you did on TeeVee.

    Its time you faced the consequences of your actions. :D

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  115. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    reid,

    Don’t forget, if rense is crap, how come I cited all those rense links for years and years and no-one noticed.

    Perhaps they didn’t follow your links. Certainly I have never had the fortune to click on one and be transported to rense.com (a site I have visited before and therefore would recognise.)

    As to the validity and veracity of anything on rense.com, I think it can be summed up with: a silo of chaff does not guarantee there are grains of wheat present.

    It is interesting that you use the term ‘cognitive dissonance’ and rense.com together. In my view the cognitive dissonance results from actual reality being threatened with a bombardment of unsubstantiated assertions, half truths and highly loaded, emotive expose style writing which typifies articles on rense. com and similar sites. There was a book released in NZ some years ago – Suppressed Inventions was the title IIRC. A sterling example of such writing – it is worthy of textbook status on manipulative writing.

    I am afraid that to link to rense.com and similar is to metaphorically don the togs and leather jacket ensemble, while reaching for the water skis…

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  116. reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Perhaps they didn’t follow your links.

    bhudson you misunderstand. I linked to the source, not to rense. For I know rense generates cognitive dissonance and in sufferers, this means they disregard the information, whatever it may be. Because they don’t know enough to distinguish the information from the source, even when the information is true.

    And many did click the links, for many many many years. I daresay you probably clicked one or two yourself, I vaguely recall quite a few debates with you on various issues over the years. I’m pretty sure you would have, never knowing.

    Do you feel dirty?

    Oh dear.

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