Not much mana in this
February 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm by David FarrarThe NZ Herald reports:
Prime Minister John Key and fellow politicians were verbally abused by protesters during ugly scenes at Waitangi this morning.
Protester Wi Popata heckled prominent Maori MPs at Te Tii Marae, calling Dr Pita Sharples, Te Ururoa Flavell and Hekia Parata “John Key’s niggers.”
Wi Popata is Hone Harawira’s nephew, and was convicted of assaulting John Key in 2009.
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February 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Yes, Key’s mana is evaporating rapidly.
Another shambles created by criminals, Stone Age malcontents and politicians all too keen to bend over at Waitangi.
Today, the Labour lite leader didn’t cover himself in glory.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I see mana in maniac
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
bhudson
Make that: i c mana in maniac
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
This is just typical…. why is that people who are not worth listening to use megaphones ….
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I’ve made a similar post DPF; mana went out the window at Te Tii today. And I also suggest that the Mana Party is badly mis-named.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
It’s about time we took the treaty document wiped our collective arses on it and publicly burnt it, the treaty and it’s variations have long ceased to be a founding document and have become a racist millstone round the neck of this country.
It’s time Maori faced up to the facts – they are migrants to this country just like the hated white man, they have been considerably better treated than the occupiers of this country were treated on their arrival.
As a race they have much to answer to child abuse, prison population, % of criminal activities to name a few, and when the dumb as dogshit Maori in the street wake up to the fact that a few of their number are getting fat and rich on the the treaty and the dipshit in the street is getting nothing things may change.
Race based seats are nothing but a form of apartheid, something we all screamed about when the South Africans practiced, our situation makes us no better than those we branded racist.
Hone and his twisted bitter mother are only a problem as long as we acknowledge them and to ignore them would have them wither and die into oblivion, where they belong.
Our focus going forward should be a constitution drafted to reflect all colours but not to advantage any group or race, not that it will ever happen while we saddle ourselves with the guilt trip currently being used as our guiding light to the future.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
TeMana party has no Mana. They want respect and honor shown to them, but dont show it in return.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I see that snivelling apology for a newspaper, the NZ Herald, has shut down comments on McCarten’s article which finished by hoping there would be protests at Waitangi. Apparently the plebs are instructed to be respectful to the Treaty – or else be silenced.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
The time has come for a moratorium on visits by dignitaries to Waitangi, perhaps 5 years, JK’s term or until Granny Harawiri passes to the great protest ground in the sky. It happens every year; we dish up our leaders and the Harawira offspring abuse, spit, jeer as some sort of twisted way of gaining ‘mana’ (celebrity) for their racist thug-clan. If I were JK I’d say, “A 5 year stay-away until respect and mana can be restored” and then go celebrate it at Okains Bay (Ngai Tahu know how to be respectful hosts and partners). Let Waitangi be an irrelevant picnic for the Harawiras.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
It’s been a lovely, quiet day here. As usual I’ve not turned the TV or radio on, instead reading magazines and other sources on the Internet, as well as continuing to plough my way through Shelby Foote’s The Civil War.
So, only through Kiwiblog have I seen hints of what has been happening at Waitangi.
I must admit that I find I’m unable to get riled up about this, mainly because I stopped caring about Waitangi day more than twenty years ago. I came of age in the 1980′s when there was a growing chorus of voices condemning Waitangi as a day of shame and guilt. Perhaps it was a matter of being at university but these voices seemed to be everywhere: on TV, radio and in print. It seemed endless.
Apparently I was not only supposed to hang my head in shame for what my European forebears (even if not my ancestors) had done, but was supposed to yield up a great deal of whatever wealth I had and pass it back to Maori, on the understanding that I had effectively “inherited” these ill-gotten gains, even if not the traditional manner of inheritance. There seemed to be no evidence that this process would eventually bring an end to these demanded feelings.
The problem (as Christian churches have found), is that one cannot me made to feel like this every day. Similarly, to think about the day too much might eventually also produce a great deal of anger. It’s not really possible (let alone healthy) for people to continually feel guilty, ashamed and angry.
Fortunately I left it all behind when I went overseas that it ceased to mean anything to me at all. I note that in recent years those voices I heard in the 1980′s have retreated into the background somewhat, and there have been increasing mainstream attempts to try and retrieve the positive meanings (if any) of the day. That may have some effect on current and future generations. But for me anyway – and for many others I think – it’s all too little, too late.
Beyond anger or annoyance, let alone shame and guilt: it’s Just another day off work. Enjoy it as such.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Oh dear, is this the same John Key that said one year as Leader of the Opposition, in reference to Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark:
“I come to pay my respects to the elders of the marae and at the end of the day I’m just not a Prime Minister that cuts and runs.”
It looks as though the tables have finally turned.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I agree with tom hunter. I couldn’t care less about the day. It’s a day off work for me – nothing more. I won’t be listening to news tomorrow as it’ll just be the usual “BS show” by the Harawiras and their hangers-on.
Vote:Roll on Feb 7th.
February 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Perhaps Key went there out of respect, but respect needs to be earned. Key should accord them the respect they merit by taking tomorrow off and playing golf instead.
Vote:Let the rich Maori pay their fair share and look after the poor Maori. Oh that’s right, rich Maori have always fucked over poor Maori for their own ends. The rest of us taxpayers are just expected to foot the bill.
February 5th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Fuck the Treaty.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The bludgers at Waitangi should consider it a privilege for a PM to even bother to show up. All the Waitangi “celebrations” does is allow an underclass of morons to make headlines. At least I get a day off this time.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
The Stone Age bludgers want more money and privileges. Nothing will appease them.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
The Treaty was signed in two different versions, in different languages, meaning different things to utterly different cultures by people who had no evidence of informed and willing authority granted by those they were committing to it. Moreover some refused to sign and some rebelled and were suppressed by force.
Does anyone believe for one second that the Court of Appeal would have upheld it as a legal and binding contract had any of its provisions resulted in ongoing open-ended costs and obligations to Maori?
So clearly it is a fraud posing as a constitutional document and a legal agreement. Instead, it was a unilateral commitment by the Crown. As such it can and should now be terminated.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Thanks Tom.
Vote:I second that.
Every point you make.
February 5th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
FFS, stop going. Go somewhere else.
Everyone is sick to the back teeth of Waitangi Day. It’s dead. The treaty is dead. These whingers are never going to stop whining, no matter how much they are handed. It only ever goes one way.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Occupy Auckland moves to Waitangi?
Socialist Party media seeking.
I’ve been accused of trying to shut down “the conversation”.
I wasn’t at Waitangi abusing and shouting out invited speakers.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
It’s part of the political process. One of the nice things about NZ is that our leaders get out where people can shout at them and heckle. Value to the rest of us – nothing. But when you don’t give these freaks an outlet, they become more dangerous. In short, everybody has gone home having done their job – Key turned up to be abused, the protestors turned up and had a whinge.
The only place I’d maybe put some question is to the organisers who seem incapable of allowing an element of protest without ruining the day – this has happened across governments of different stripes and hues, and surely can be controlled somewhat.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Seven different versions are in existence
The translation is easily debated by reference to writings at the time
Take away the modern interpretation and examine it from the reality at the time
And it is fairly obvious that Maori signed due to a fear of the continuing warfare that they had been involved in
wiping out around 35% of their population
They gave away sovereignty for protection from them self’s not from us
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
@Pete George, got to love Mickey Savage’s comment:
“mickysavage 7.1.2.1
5 February 2012 at 1:29 pm
Go on post a few links showing that the Standard’s writers supported Helen’s decision not to return to Waitangi. Go on, I dare you …”
There we have it – mickey pledges allegiance to the writers of the Standard. Perhaps they should form their own political party for next election.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Griff, You can’t be right, surley. I mean that doesn’t fit with todays bullshit.
But in fact you are exactly right and had it not happened the Nagpuhi would have annilated most of the rest.
Vote:a bit like they are still trying to do.
February 5th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Toughen up Key, you as a ex money market dealer(the smiling assasian)should know when to deal or move on, and the whimps who fawn after you are really going to be disappointed.I personaly think you are crap(a nothing), with a nice smile,and heaps of money made from us or the Brits etc.
Vote:PS im not a poor tosser,so tone the insults down fawners.
February 5th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
The ultimate in hypocrisy has to be Titewhai Harawira holding on to John Key’s arm when she was no doubt one of the organisers behind the disruption. Sorry no mana here.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
plebe: Try some correct grammar and spelling, as follows. I’ve made it a quote, since I’m quoting your intent, but clearly it’s no longer an exact quote, but note how much easier it is to read.
It makes your drivel just a bit easier to get through. Of course, we’re still left with the problem where you’re wrong on so many levels:
Vote:Level 1: Key isn’t the one complaining, he seems to be quite accepting of it as a normal part of Waitangi
Level 2: Key’s heaps of money generally weren’t made from NZers or from the Brits, mostly in the US and emerging markets I think
Level 3: The reason that people insult you is that your thinking is so shallow, and your presentation so poor, that most of us think that you’re drunk or stoned most of the time. Try to appear coherent, and even better, try to actually have coherent thoughts. Then people might not insult you so much.
February 5th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
On the subject te treaty lies I had a discussion with my young niece on this showing her how the NZ history on line site differs from respected history of the time(king) http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/classroom/ncea3/19th-century-history-overview
Vote:She volunteered to me that you can not tell the truth at school you have to tell them wot you know they want to hear
sixteen and she has already worked out the lefty crap that is our “education” system
February 5th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
The Standard gloats: Key chased from Waitangi
There must be some short Labour memories if this is seen as Maori versus National.
If Labourites think Mana are a useful ally now they are likely to get a rude (literally) shock if they ever get back into Government while Mana-less are still operating.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Buddy is on to it. Pity the rest of the bro’s are so fuckin dumb!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/maori/news/article.cfm?c_id=252&objectid=10783253
Why the pollies crawl to Ratana and Waitangi has me beat.
Most of the rest of us couldn’t give a shit.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Stop going. It might only be a minority but it is, at best, condoned by omission by the hosts. It’s getting boring seeing our leaders head up North to be abused.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Exactly GPT1.
Its sickening watching our so called leaders heading to brotown for their ritual abuse. If you avoid pieces of shit they don’t stick to your shoes.
Crap like the scum at Waitangi thrive on publicity, ignore them, cut their funding, get a new plan for celebrating New Zealand day!
Pretty simple really but obviously to hard for the succession of fuckwits that supposedly lead our great nation!
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I think Maori are a bit peed about the Crafar thing. O.k so the Donald Trumps have been buying here as well as the Chinese and New Zealand’s richest buy over there,but I think that the feeling is the world is the rich man’s oyster, is a fun thing for them but at cost to the rest of us and New Zealand under that regime is a nullity. Many people will be hating National with a passion.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
What do you drink hj?
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Whatever it is I don’t think I’ve tried it yet but it looks fuckin good to me!
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Didn’t this ‘ever-so slightly inbred’ looking Wi Popota character get ‘punished’ for his last attack on John Key with a slap-up feed in Wellington??
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
What’s the point of all this Ratana,Waitangi arse licking.
We are a parliamentary democracy, a constitutional monarchy based on Westminster,that’s what counts. Not this sickening annual,kowtow,protest and insult.
Nothing to celebrate there.
Honour the Crown.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
plebe is pleb spelled wrongly
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
So they think that fear and intimidation is preferable to debate and exchange of ideas? They seem to be proud that Key “looked scared”.
The sooner the country is without the racist harawira clan, the better.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Death to the Harawira’s. Death to the Harawira’s we say!
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Dont worry JB…looking at tittyfai today her days on this earth are numbered. GREAT !
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
And the Hatfields, Johnboy
Vote:That goes for all of the milky bars who think they have a tiny bit of murri in them
February 5th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Fuck it, I am going to work tomorrow.
Or the pub
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Yeah laj. Song just for her (change spirit to Taniwha) !
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Key will retreat to #32 Success Way Omaha (or is it Property Investor Place or Rent Seekers Row)?
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
We’ll get the McCoy’s straight onto the job Steve!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield%E2%80%93McCoy_feud
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Whats the proof on your poison hj?
I can’t get a kick out of the watered down 80% proof shit these days.
Even a whole 40oz doesn’t make the ewes attractive anymore!
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I commend those who denied Key the platform for spreading the Neo-liberal dogma for his masters @ Goldman& Sachs. Today, tomorrow and anywhere, I don’t need the propaganda for a system that only serves the super wealthy, rapes the planet and disregards the logic of the survival of our species. I wish he would get his private jet he wants so badly and would bugger off to where he came from and take all his hollow men with him…
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Well, hj, I am fairly sure he will, as usual, stay well clear of Xenophobia Close.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
whoops. I posted the below in GD instead of here originally so have c&p to here.
why did Key run away like a scared little kid?
Vote:So what if the crowd couldn’t hear his speech that was no doubt full of meaningless and boring platitudes… He said his security was fine so why didn’t he mix and mingle with the people and talk to them? He didn’t necessarily need to try and engage with the protesters – he could have just moved around and chatted to the hosts
February 5th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
you all been a readin that thar J. T. Edson and Louis L’Amour thar johnboy
Vote:sheep farmers are always the poor hicks on the outside ya no
February 5th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I think Maori are a bit peed about the Crafar thing.
Who cares, Maori nor the NZ public owned the Crafar farms.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Ain’t that but so true Griff. Ah never recovered properly from that serious broke back injury caused all them long years ago when that bastard Joe Aguirre talked me into herding his flock up onto Wainui mountain.
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Bet that broke your ass
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Just seen the footage from Waitangi. Why is Key sitting next to Titewhai Harawira? Does she hold some sort of position at Waitangi that entitles her to a front row seat next to the PM?
Vote:February 5th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Lets start rotating the Waitangi celebrations around the country each year.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 4:11 am
“Who cares, Maori nor the NZ public owned the Crafar farms”
Vote:….
Yes there are only two people in the room: buyer (form overseas) and seller and the world is the rich mans oyster. You get the sense of a big party going on, one to which the rest of NZ isn’t invited. New Zealand is a nullity, a merchandise store set up for the rich elite.
February 6th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Maori acting like savages…who would have thunk it?
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Even less Mana in this post from ‘Eddie’. Key gets what he wants at Waitangi.
That’s a claim for which you can have no evidence so can be seen as a speculative attack – are you trying to use Waitangi Day to stoke up more of a racial divide?
Who’s trying to win power with this post? Using racism.
Vote:Is this the sort of thing Fran O’Sullivan was referring to when she wrote this?
“Most posters won’t sign their names to their comments because they are frightened they will be held responsible. They are frankly cowards.”
February 6th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Comrade Joris talking rubbish again. When will this government dismiss him and close his quango?
Vote:The face of a savage: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6370077/Pakeha-urged-to-be-more-generous
February 6th, 2012 at 8:26 am
How odd, the NZ Herald has an article (and video) titled “John Key chased from Waitangi”.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/video.cfm?c_id=1&gal_objectid=10783691&gallery_id=123670
Thought I would watch it and see the shenanigans … but when I did I didn’t see any footage of John Key being chased from Waitangi!
MSM and NZ Herald, manufacturing the news as per usual huh!
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 8:40 am
The racist comments by some on this blog say a bit more about those who wrote them than they do about their targets. There is nothing unexpected or surprising about the events at Waitangi. What surprises me is that Key et al provides a forum for this group of professional protesters. It is long past time that Government officials simply stopped going to Waitangi. Key may well now have to agree that Clark had it right on this one. If they(Northern Maori) cannot be trusted to behave with some dignity in Waitangi, do not go there. It is not that hard to figure out surely
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Well I spent a pleasant and rewarding Waitangi Day ignoring Maoris(TM). Anyone else?
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Wow Pete, a four week ban from The Standard for that? Incredible. It’s interesting insight into candidates to be propaganda ministers in New Zealand’s socialist paradise if we ever get stupid enough to vote for it again.
Don’t you feel a bit dirty after time in the echo chamber of hate? Four weeks off will do you a world of good mate.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Our National Day has become a farce and it must be amazing to visitors and new arrivals to see what happens yearly on Waitangi Day. I have travelled quite a bit and I cannot think of any other country in the world which would tolerate the insulting behaviour that routinely happens on this so-called historic venue on this day. This should show New Zealanders and the world that this country is in fact deeply deeply divided and the cracks which weaken our cohesion are deeper and more dangerous than we care to acknowledge.
The fact that the vast majority of New Zealanders ignore any kind of Waitangi celebration is no cause for optimism either. This just says that on the matter of history and race relations the country is so traumatised that the only options are hate and anger or total apathy. Nobody seems to have a solution, so the whole charade just goes on and on.
I rhink it is time for some government to take the bull by the horns and do something outrageous. I don’t mean violent, I mean outrageous. Something like making an announcement that they are now cancelling Waitangi Day as a nationl holiday and nextyear there will be no Waitangi Day at all. The following year there will be a ‘New Zealand Day’ and the date is to be chosen by a binding referendum.
One good choice would in my view be 26 September (Dominion Day), but I am sure there will be plenty of other good options…. the point is that the country as a whole will have chosen the day and had input into its selection.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Tom Hunter: spot on sir.
As for “targeting the brown disadvantaged”, this has been happening for as long as anyone alive can remember….as a lad (which was more than forty years ago) I recall asking my parents why there were Maori trade training schemes and Maori scholarships and various other things for which Maori blood – in those days at least the recipients were actually brown – was a requirement. Their response was a version of dear old Joris’ quoted in this post. So for fifty years at least we have been doing this “targeting” and for what?
A great proportion of – probably most – Maori just get on with being New Zealanders; the kind of Maori “culture” deified by Hone and his band of malcontents is either totally irrelevant to or an embarassment to them. For Hone’s followers and the rest, I seriously start to wonder if we should think about carving off some portion of the country – include the Tuhoe nation, they have been asking for it for long enough – and declare an independent Maori state there for anyone who wishes to live t under the wise and beneficient rule of Hone and his “cabinet”. I have even thought of the boudaries of the state: a line due north from lake Taupo (hell throw that in) southeast to Wairoa. That part of the country contains the Waikaremoana electricity generating stations which will supply the new state (until new bearings and other equipment needs to be bought); probably more oil than Taranaki (see how concerned the iwi are about the environment when the exploration companies come offering millions for exploration permits); great beaches from Gisborne right around the East Coast; high quality horticultural land on the Poverty Bay flats, and good productive hill country – provided it is worked right – all the resources any state could need.
Those of use who stay west of the border could then simply get on with being New Zealanders, forget about this so called international treaty which under well settled principles of law is no such thing, stop having to pretend that the stone age Maori were anything more or less than a thousand other similar cultures…..
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 10:58 am
David G… Sadly, all that this would result in, I believe, is a fresh bout of Maori wars…
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
@David Garrett, I have always respected your honesty and your open acknowledgment of who you are and what you think and good on you for that….. but your comment above has to be one of the most idiotic pieces of rubbish that I have ever read on race relations in this country.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Wahine: (and good morning to you) I dont see why….No-one would be forced to enter the new state or to stay there…obviously there would have to be generous compensation for people who didnt see a bright future under PM Hone and a society run under tikanaga maori….but that would be a very small price to pay for the immediate cessation of all special programs and aid of various kinds to maori who wished to remain in New Zealand…more maori (and their even more rabid pakeha) malcontents who remained in NZ, the answer would be very simple: shut up and get on with it, or relocate to …would Hone wish to call it Aotearoa? You would know better than me since I believe you hail from his rohe….
Why any need for war? When the Tuai hydro plants broke down and needed spare parts the new state would need to purchase them (and tires, drugs, clothing, fertilizer, oil, computers, mobile phones and the myriad other imports not available tio them…) and NZ would be very happy to supply same if Hone and his mummy wished to buy same ….at international rates for such commodities of course…If there was any silliness the NZ Army would sort it out quietly… the army is mostly Maori you say? I would wager Cpl. Willie Apiata and real soldiers like him have about as much in common with Hone as I do….
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Pretty much coincides with my view point
Vote:Give them the state they cry for then leave them to drown in their own festering heap of humanity
It will not happen
If it did they would be back peddling faster than the Scottish are
February 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Dave Mann: Do explain why it is so idiotic? They say only mad people keep doing the same thing and expect a different result from hitherto…well, we have been “targeting” what are unarguably underprivileged Maori for at least as long as I have been alive, and all that has resulted is – as others hasve said – the fat cat Maori elites (like the Mahuta clan) getting fatter and richer, and the poor Maori at the bottom of the heap getting poorer, less educated, dying earlier, and being imprisoned more frequently than his pakeha brethren…why on earth would “more of the same” give any better result? Why not consider something utterly radical….”Votes for women” was considered outrageous nonsense leading inevitably to anarchy in the 19th century ….
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
What if the state they want (according to you) encompasses a wider territory?
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
mike: Tuhoe have been asking for an independent state —-supported of course by the same benefits we have been payings its residents – forever…. My suggested boundary is merely a considerable enlargement of that area, and encompasses electricity generating facilities, oil and gas, highly productive land etc…..of course they would want more – Hone wants the lot! Most of us wouldn’t wish to see New Zealdand go the way of Uganda, Zimbabwe [insert any other formerly prosperous African nation now under indigenous rule] so I guess if the bros wanted to be greedy, my friend Wahine might be right…sadly….
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@David Garrett They say only mad people keep doing the same thing and expect a different result from hitherto…
I’m not suggesting that we ‘do the same’ and continue pandering to these assholes. Your ‘solution’ is just as much pandering to them as what the politicians are doing now, except worse.
What we should do is break the cycle, declare the TOW to be nothing more than a historical footnote, stop giving Maoris any additional rights at all over other New Zealanders and immediately close down all programs and government departments with any mention of ‘Maori’ in their title or function. That would go a long way towards fixing the problem.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Dave Mann: I agree with your suggestions entirely….but I truly believe that without any alternative THAT would provoke a more hostile reaction than what I in all seriousness am suggesting….reduced to point form I am saying this:
1. Most New Zealanders – white brown yellow or whatever – do not wish to live in society run along the lines you [Hone and Co] profess to want. Some do – or at least think they do.
2. Here is a generous slice of the country containing numerous resources which are readily tradeable (since there would be very few inhabitants of Hone’s paradise within a short time there would be excess electricty to sell plus the produce of the Poverty Bay flats and the produce off the new State’s EEZ) in which you can go and live, and put in place or subscribe to whatever rules you like. Anyone living there would have to accept the obligations of citizenship of such a state.
3. Those who wished to leave prior to the handover – there would have to be a time limit within which business owners for example would have to decide whether they preferred Hone’s rules to those made in Wellington – would receive compensation for such property they could not bring with them in order to re-establish themselves in New Zealand.
4. Once the transition arrangements where complete, and everyone was living under the regime and the “tikanga” of their choice, we do everything YOU suggest in your last para…. across the border here in NZ
The new state would not be required to accept any new migrants from here, but then neither would we be required necessarily to accept any refugee from Hone’s paradise…
This proposal is radical certainly, but idiotic? Why?
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
@David Garrett. The quick answer as to why your proposal is idiotic is that nothing is ever solved by splitting countries up (the Koreas, Northern Ireland, Somalia, East Germany, North and South Vietnam…. need I go on?). Added to that, who is going to PAY for the COMPENSATION to present landowners? Lets instead grow some balls and STOP PANDERING to these separatist cunts.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Dave Mann, though I agree with you in principle, actually Singapore is a successful example that did solve the problem, likewise arguably and eventually, splitting up Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
David G… Hone may hail from the far north and Ngapuhi can keep their favorite son. We have enough to contend with Margaret M’s outbursts.
And I only have one word as to why your idea would result in another Maori land war… Tribalism.
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Wahine: Disowning Auntie Margaret? Surely not….doesnt tikanga maori demand unwavering support for members of the whanau whatever they say or do?
Vote:February 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
And pukana to you too, David!
I have and will always respect Margaret for the work she has done for Ngati Kahu in regards to our land claims. She has works tirelessly to please as many of a our iwi as she can.
Her recent racist comments do her good work no justice at all.
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