@ DPF – You might want to rewrite the bit in your column about defamation law. The defence of qualified privilege in Lange v Atkinson is not limited to statements of opinion. That is a separate defence called honest opinion.
DPF: I take issue with your descriptions of the treaty settlements just passed as being “full and final”; I have not read the latest three and I dont plan to – it’s too damn depressing – but if they are anything like the “full and final” settlements of the recent past they are full of deliberately created holes to enable future generations of Maori to drive a truck through them.
Listen to Nanaia Mahuta’s speech yesterday..she described one of the Bills as ” a useful stepping stone to a full settlement”…That is how Maori regard these.
The settlements of the 1940’s were supposed to be “full and final”, and it is clear from the historical record that Maori leaders of the time regarded them as such. But fast forward fifty years, and the whole shooting box was reopened, and the supposedly “final” settlements of the past were revisted..in Tainui’s case TWICE because they blew most of the money from the second “full and final” settlement.
One of two things will happen in twenty years or so: we will be back making third or fourth “full and final” settlements with aggrieved groups of maori, or we will finally get a government with enough balls to say “enough”. No prizes for guessing which of the two I think will happen.
toad (1:59pm) – Yes it appears the ‘quartus horribllis’ is going to extend beyond 3 months. If the Nats are prepared to have meatheads like Quinn on their list (for the sake of an “inclusive” image) then they have to own the fallout when he reverts to type and acts like a thug.
We already had 4 horrible years under the idealess Nats. The only idea they had was a cycle way through NZ.
Borrowing for tax cuts, underwriting finance companies, Christchurch rebuilding disaster, partial asset sales to avoid having to determine what it is exactly a government should do, it’s just the usual. Clueless Nats trying to run socialism better than Labour. How far are we on the way to my prediction of a $30 billion shortfall in 2014?
ephemera: refer to 3-coil’s post…then read it ……. s l o w l y Do you see any reference to thug politicians of ALL stripes?
cows4me: No, actually, it’s not the way it has (always) been…Labour were unelectable for a generation after 1957 because their official dogma of the nationalization of the means of production distribution and exchange was anathema to most good citizens throughout the sixties… there was brief three year flirtation with socialism in 1972-75, then National once again returned as the “natural party of government” until Clark arrived on the scene and they all got smarter about what they were really about…e.g. no more singing “the red flag” at party conferences…At the same time we collectively got soft in the head, and nine years of that tyrant at the helm was the result…And sadly most of the populace is still soft in the head, so I agree with you that the bastards will likely be back next time…barring some miracle on the right that replaces ACT in its heyday…
David Garrett/Bevan – absolutely, Trev is ultimate meat-head thug. And don’t get me started – we had the cowardly bullies like the certified pervert Benson-Pope (roughing up schoolkids fer krisakes), psychological-bullies like PM Clark..etc.etc., but just because Quinn’s a Nat doesn’t mean he gets some sort of free pass. If Quinn is weak enough to over-react to a parking dispute with violence, he deserves all the grief that’s headed his way.
Just read your 5:40pm comment David – my 5:44pm comment should clarify my attitude. I was responding to the toad’s veiled reference to Quinn specifically, but you won’t find me defending politicians from left or right if they’re thick enough to resort to violence or bullying.
If they are members of our House of Representatives they should conduct themselves to pretty high standards. We don’t tolerate that sort of behaviour from children, surely MP’s can maintain some degree of civil behaviour.
3-Coil: Please accept my apologies sir….and before someone brings up my supposed conviction in Tonga, anyone who has travelled is aware that a conviction in a low level court in a third world country doesn’t mean for a second that one is necessarily guilty…And if I had his consent, I would release a letter from the former Chief Justice of Tonga that refers to that matter in some detail, but I dont have his consent, so I wont be.