Helen says we have enough

June 22nd, 2012 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Not PC blogs:

Happy with her own lot, our former Aunty Helen thinks “we,” i.e., everyone else, could do with less.

Attending the eco-gathering in Rio in her new guise as United Nations Development Programme head, Aunty Helen told media

frankly human development in the West — we don’t need more cars, more TVs, more whatever. Our needs are by and large satisfied, although the recession has put a lot of strains on that.

What a pity Helen never told us this, when she was PM. That she thought we all had enough.

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77 Responses to “Helen says we have enough”

  1. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    A petty, frivilous and spiteful post that is full of bile. Next: DPF crushes a car and dances on it.

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  2. wat dabney (3,775 comments) says:

    I saw the news last night giving a free pass to this gathering of the elite in Rio; with a comfortable, well-fed, well-educated, middle-class Kiwi child – fabulously rich by global standards – giving an opening address and telling them to go all-out.

    In effect, she was asking for this:

    Those policies would ban fossil fuels, greatly increase renewable energy use, reduce jobs and living standards in rich nations, and perpetuate poverty, disease, death and desperation in poor countries.

    Today, over 1.5 billion people still do not have electricity, or have it only a few hours each day or week. Almost 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day. Millions die every year from diseases that would be largely eradicated by access to reliable, affordable electricity for cooking and refrigeration, clinics and hospitals, clean water, sanitation, and businesses and industries that generate jobs, prosperity and health.

    Opposition to large-scale electricity generation forces people to rely on open fires for cooking and heating – perpetuating lung diseases and premature death, from breathing smoke and pollutants. It also destroys gorilla and other wildlife habitats, as people cut trees and brush for firewood and charcoal…

    Turbine and solar arrays cover and disrupt millions of acres of farmland and wildlife habitat, to provide expensive, intermittent power for urban areas. They require backup generators and long transmission lines, and consume millions of tons of concrete, steel, copper, fiberglass, polymers and rare earth minerals – extracted from the Earth, often in countries whose pollution control regulations and technologies are substantially below US, Canadian, European and Australian standards.

    Corn-based ethanol requires tens of millions of acres, billions of gallons of water, millions of tons of fertilizer and insecticides, and enormous quantities of hydrocarbon fuels.

    And yet, President Obama told Ghanaians in 2010 that poor, electricity-deprived, malnourished Africans should rely on biofuel, wind and solar power – and not build even gas-fired power plants.

    Hunting, subsistence living and poverty are among the greatest risks to species. Denying poor families access to reliable, affordable electricity is a crime against humanity

    The Rio+20 biodiversity and sustainability agenda means artificially reduced energy and economic development. It means rationed resources, sustained poverty and disease, and unsustainable inequality, resentment, conflict, and pressure on wildlife and their habitats.

    Simply put, 99% of humans and wild kingdom species are being ill served by the 0.1% UN and environmentalist elites gathered in Brazil, and purporting to speak for mankind and planet.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/21/rio20-is-greatest-threat-to-biodiversity

    Incidentally, that piece was co-authored by Paul Driessen, who wrote “Green Power Black Death”, cataloging the green movement’s atrocities against the World’s poorest ( http://www.eco-imperialism.com ).

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  3. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    Clark is clearly speaking on more of a philosophical level than a policy level. It’s a bit sad you can’t / won’t tell the difference… but then, from a National party cheerleader what else can we expect? ;-)

    She’s right… look at people’s aspirations. MUST get a slightly bigger LCD than the one I’ve got now. MUST get a slightly newer/flasher car than the one I’m driving. Must upsize my Angus Burger Combo to large. HEAVEN FORBID they might put the tax up on ciggies a bit.

    It’s almost embarassing how fat, lazy, comfortable people in the west take their luxuries so completely for granted.

    Read this, it might make you think about how lucky you are.
    http://www.fanpop.com/spots/photography/articles/2845/title/kevin-carter-consequences-photojournalism

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  4. YesWeDid (1,048 comments) says:

    Maybe DPF needs to learn the difference between ‘needs’ and ‘wants’.

    I’m sure he can google it.

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  5. onthenumber8 (20 comments) says:

    Couldn’t agree with her more!

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  6. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    RRM, comfort and wealth are all relative. On my just-below median wage I certainly don’t feel like I need a bigger LCD TV, although it would be nice if I could pay off my student-related debt a little faster. And there are many people in the west (and elsewhere) who are worse off than me, of course.

    If you want to see truly bizarre displays of wealth, go to a place like Dubai. You know you’ve made it when you get your first gold-plated Ferrari.

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  7. dubya (236 comments) says:

    Find this all a bit rich from a woman who’s government ran an ad campaign encouraging middle class families to explore their eligbility for welfare payments to sustain their purchase of iPods and ice-dispensing refrigerators.

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  8. berend (1,711 comments) says:

    RRM: look at people’s aspirations.

    RRM, the self appointed people’s aspiration manager. Would fit right into a communist society where they did exactly what Auntie Helen desires.

    And secondly, I don’t know any person you tried to describe. Really, here in NZ people are all working like crazy to buy a slightly bigger car? I only see people who scrape buy, and there’s usually only money for a car older than 10 years.

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  9. Mark (496 comments) says:

    If I have enough, then Helen has had way too much and has used up her lifetime limit.

    It should all be confisicated and she should be placed to a prision camp like they have in wonderful socalist paradises like North Korea.

    Or is her policy not for her but for only us freedom loving people in NZ.

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  10. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Helen Clark’s views are entirely consistent with her (and her UN chums) view of the world and humanity. Unfortunately her view is wrong, and her plans and decision making are too tied up with the pride and arrogance of leftest/statist career politicians. If a weakening of the EU nations were to lead to a weakening of the UN, i’d have to say i’d be happy about it.

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  11. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    We certainly had “had enough” of her…

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  12. berend (1,711 comments) says:

    RRM, interesting story. And unlike you, I see two vultures in the picture. Because Kevin Carter could not help all, he helped none?

    It reminds me of this: “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: … Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.”

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  13. Ross12 (1,432 comments) says:

    Can someone with communication access to Aunty Helen ask her why the Rio+20 sessions were only allowing access to Government people this time. What have the UN got to hide ??

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  14. wat dabney (3,775 comments) says:

    Perhaps we can settle the issue by all agreeing that everyone has the right to the same standard of living that Clark enjoys.

    Does anyone have a problem with that?

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  15. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    Diseased Marxist mole. She should do the world a favor and drop dead. People of her ilk are evil and like the idiot Melons use environmentalism as an excuse while pushing for global governance and totalitarian power. As for that naive brain dead child they wheeled out to kick their wankfest off, gee of course she knows all about what ills the world being 17 and all. I guess she has to speak while she is young, the evil bastards that she hangs out with would be quite happy if she droped dead after a lifetime of work, can’t have her wasting precious resource’s. She Beast, this plethora of fools and their agenda 21 seek only to subjugate then divide the western worlds resources and prop up their own power bases. I despise them.

    [DPF: 50 demerits.]

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  16. dubya (236 comments) says:

    What would Helen know about consumerism? The only thing she ever bought, was votes.

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  17. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    Typical Socialist Hippocrite.

    Motto “The working class can kiss my arse I’ve got the foreman’s job at last”.

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  18. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    People must stop spending and buying stuff?

    So leading Lefties are for austerity measures after all. Fantastic news.

    Paul Krugman worst hit.

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  19. BeaB (2,125 comments) says:

    Wonderful stuff from a millionaire. Why is it always the rich who think we hoi polloi should be happy with what we have? Grateful even.

    Perhaps she could donate some of her property rents, NZ pension, ex-PM perks, UN salary and then fat UN pension. After all, she has a great example to follow in John Key who doesn’t take his PM salary because he thinks he has enough. He has the courage of his convictions.

    But unlike her, he doesn’t lecture us on what we should do or try to deprive us of the things we want whether others think we should have them or not.

    And there we have the essential difference between them. And perhaps between the Right and the Left.

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  20. BeaB (2,125 comments) says:

    Spot the difference.

    Millionaire lectures us that we have enough and should go without things we think we want. Continues to take profits from fat porperty portoflio, pension, ex-PM perks, UN salary and perks.

    Millionaire thinks he has enough so doesn’t take his PM salary. Doesn’t lecture us on what we should do.

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  21. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Sounds like Alabama is the place for you cows.

    http://thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11592-alabama-adopts-first-official-state-ban-on-un-agenda-21

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  22. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    She certainly has solid intellectual backing for her claims:

    “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money”

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  23. BeaB (2,125 comments) says:

    Spot the difference.

    Millionaire ex-PM says we hoi polloi have enough. Keeps her large property portfolio, PM pension, PM perks, UN salary, UN perks.

    Millionaire PM says he has enough and refuses his PM salary. Doesn’t lecture us.

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  24. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    What Clark said is hardly controversial and I suspect it has the support of most other Western leaders including David Cameron.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20120618-west-must-cut-appetite-cars-tvs-says-un-official

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  25. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    Yeah knew that cha, it’s a great pity the so called civilised world can not see the pure evil in these people. This bullshit fest is about reining in the western world and forming a one world government. Makes me laugh, these leftist clowns are really down on the western world and see it as evil. i wonder if they have ever considered why so many millions risk everything to get a place in a western world. They are more then likely then not trying to escape the very policies these pricks would have us live under,namely, communism, socialism, marxism.

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  26. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > Diseased Marxist mole. She should do the world a favor and drop dead.

    The Rabid Right make Andrew Little look like a choir boy. But your readers already knew that.

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  27. wat dabney (3,775 comments) says:

    Obviously it’s not the girl’s fault. She didn’t realise they were all laughing at her because she was just being used to generate favourable news coverage and help provide a veneer of morality for their murderous authoritarianism.

    Here’s a photo of the event:

    http://imgur.com/zDVMT

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  28. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Hmm, take advice from a woman so morally bereft she thinks its OK to live a sham life.

    Derisive snort in her general direction. Wonderful that you got a cushy number with the UN oh shebeast. Stay there.

    Me, once my next large payday comes, and thats real soon, Im turning the home office into a home theatre, with Bose soundsystem and 70 inch LCD screen on the wall, courtesy of a tax free buyout that will also fund a leisurely retirement.

    Hows that bus driving second job going phil?

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  29. Weihana (4,557 comments) says:

    RRM (4,822) Says:
    June 22nd, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Clark is clearly speaking on more of a philosophical level than a policy level…

    True, but philosophy ultimately shapes policy. Philosophically I think Clark is wrong. There is nothing wrong with wanting more, in fact it is these aspirations that drive our economies and our advance in technology and industry. These things have emerged to satisfy that desire for more and they continue to advance because we are not content with how things are.

    That doesn’t mean we should upsize our meals every time it is offered. That we want something doesn’t make it rational. But we should want more of the things which really do add value to our lives and cars, tvs etc. do add value. At least I am happy with most of the purchases I make and I think they do add value to my life.

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  30. Weihana (4,557 comments) says:

    ross69 (460) Says:
    June 22nd, 2012 at 11:03 am

    What Clark said is hardly controversial and I suspect it has the support of most other Western leaders including David Cameron.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20120618-west-must-cut-appetite-cars-tvs-says-un-official

    “Rich countries will have to stop the consumer high life as part of any deal to heal the world’s social and environmental stresses, a top UN official said ahead of a key development summit this week.”

    What a load of bollocks. My fancy new TV ain’t the cause of social unrest and environmental catastrophe.

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  31. wat dabney (3,775 comments) says:

    Judging by his luxurious lifestyle I’d say that outspoken billionaire environmentalist James Cameron disagrees with Clark on this issue, since his heroic consumption puts her own (already excessive) level to shame.

    Speaking of hypocritical lefties, here’s the glorious Michael Moore denying he’s in the 1%, juxtaposed with a photo of his enormous mansion:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=faa_1321322618

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  32. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    What a pity Helen never told us this, when she was PM. That she thought we all had enough

    Do you forget being called a “rich prick” that “wasn’t paying your fair share”?

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  33. Fletch (6,408 comments) says:

    A petty, frivilous and spiteful post that is full of bile.

    Fish_boy, I was going to agree with you for a moment there, as I thought you were talking about Helen’s speech :)
    But no..

    I bet Helen doesn’t put her money where her mouth is. If we can see that she is living in a modest walk-up flat with an old tube TV and drives a cheap Lada, then it’s something to think about. But I have my doubts. People like Helen despise capitalism and the thought that others can better themselves and their circumstances through it.

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  34. cows4me (248 comments) says:

    wat dabney 11.07 Oh so true,oh so true.

    Ross69, oh dear Ross I do hope I haven’t hurt your sensitivities, I do realise the tolerant left would never speak of their enemies in such a way ( very big Tui ad due )

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  35. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I’m not a big fan of Helen Clark, but my what a draw she is!

    I reckon, on a Friday, at a loose end for a blog-title, DPF could probably just put ‘Helen Clark’ as his title and we’d get much the same response.

    You should try it, David.

    Oh, you practically have.

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  36. EverlastingFire (286 comments) says:

    Doesn’t Klark own multiple houses in Auckland?

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  37. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Sort of like Obama, who declared that “we all” should live within our means about 2 days after signing into law the biggest spending bill the world has ever seen – entirely funded by debt.

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  38. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Hey, while we’re talking about hypocrites, how about we talk about John Key? “If I see good parents getting criminalised for lightly smacking their children for the purposes of discipline, I’m going to change the law”

    Sill waiting on that.

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  39. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Lee C:”I’m not a big fan of Helen Clark, but my what a draw she is!”

    Close, more of a closet, in one, I think you will find.

    Boom tish!! :)

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  40. Lance (2,662 comments) says:

    @EverlastingFire

    Yes she does.
    Funny how she says we should be happy with what we have when she herself is loaded.
    Hypocritical much

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  41. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    I am not a Clark supporter however there is not much she said there that could be considered controversial or that is not that difficult to agree with.

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  42. wat dabney (3,775 comments) says:

    Notice she didn’t use this argument when she was seeking power in NZ by exploiting envy. She didn’t say then that anyone with somewhere to live, a vehicle and a TV has enough. No, she was saying how poor they are and how, if they vote for her, she will rectify this evil by taking other people’s money so they can increase their consumption.

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  43. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Simply put, 99% of humans and wild kingdom species are being ill served by the 0.1% UN and environmentalist elites gathered in Brazil, and purporting to speak for mankind and planet.”

    Perhaps, but not for the reason you think.

    On May 25th 1961, JFK announced that the USA was going to put a person on the moon (and bring him back to earth). Just over 8 years later it was done, and done in style. When he said it, the sum total of US manned spaceflight experience was about a quarter of an hour, and that mission was a glorified human cannonball shot that didn’t even make it into orbit. 40 years later Apollo is still a stupefying accomplishment.

    What have we been doing for the last 8 years? Or the 8 years before that? Nothing much.

    Western societies can no longer execute on the big stuff. The US is a case in point. It used to be able to produce the world’s finest military aircraft, and all it has managed of significance in the last 20 years is a very expensive lemon (the F 22) and what looks increasingly like another lemon (the JSF). All that money wasted.

    A Manhattan Project for clean, cheap energy would be a boon to the world. A pity we no longer have the human capital to accomplish such feats (or political capital, or the regular kind).

    Instead we whine about the size of people’s TVs. We are lesser men of greater fathers.

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  44. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    Shes like a bad fart that just wont go away. Mind ya business klarkula…if I wana buy a 60 inch plasma or the latest dodge viper I will… the likes of you and your filthy ilk can foxtrot oscar.

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  45. KevinH (1,229 comments) says:

    While she is in Rio, here are some interesting places for Helen to visit:
    http://soulbrasileiro.com/tag/favelas/

    After her tour perhaps she will reconsider her ill informed comments.

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  46. wat dabney (3,775 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson,

    Be wary of those hugely-expensive politically-driven prestige projects. Remember that JFK also enunciated the fascist’s creed: “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.”
    There is no requirement for a clean energy Manhatten Project any more than there was any real need for putting a man on the moon. There is hundreds of years’ worth of cheap fossil fuels in the ground.

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  47. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    lol oh the west are so evil. we take things for granted??? oh no!

    good for us! up to this point in history we have been the winners.

    who the hell wants to be an over emotional wimp?? “oh its tragic that i have this new tv and people in *insert shit hole* dont have one”

    followed by “we shouldnt allow mining in these poor countries” or “lets turn their food into petrol”.

    The left – a bunch of jealous assholes since their inception!

    this dude from the west isnt content with all the cool shit he has. i want more dammit!!!

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  48. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Do we know what percentage of her income helen donates to charity??

    Does she still own 4 houses??

    Does she have to change?? or just every one else in the west?? afterall, we need the elites to keep everything running smoothly.

    RRM – youre a good bugga. how do you tolerate this shit?

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  49. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    This is rich coming from the woman who couldn’t leave her cellphone alone during a eech given by the Queen…

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  50. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    No-one’s saying the west are “evil” Dime, let’s try and keep a bit of perspective in this.

    It’s true that the little black baby girl about to get eaten by a crow in my link has got REAL problems in her life, compared to you and me, yeah?

    Or is that a radical leftist west-hating statement too?

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  51. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    RRM – no doubt. Bugga for her. Praise allah and praise my glorious ancestors for ensuring i wasnt born into a world like that.

    ive always said – being born in NZ is like winning the lotto. i just refuse to feel bad for it or feel compelled to give everything i have to people in another country.

    if you wanna give every spare cent to charity and live like a monk, go for it! fill your boots! hell, we may even give an MBE or something.

    but when people start talking about it from the view of “we should all do it” “we should increase tax rates and increase aid” they can just fuck off.

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  52. BeaB (2,125 comments) says:

    Dime: Five properties last time she had to declare them.

    Spot the difference.

    Millionaire ex-PM says we hoi polloi have enough. Keeps her large property portfolio, PM pension, PM perks, UN salary, UN perks.

    Millionaire PM says he has enough and refuses his PM salary. Doesn’t lecture us.

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  53. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson said:

    What have we been doing for the last 8 years? Or the 8 years before that? Nothing much.

    ——————–

    Are you serious?

    The completion of the Human Genome project is more important than the entire Apollo program.

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  54. Eisenhower (137 comments) says:

    frankly human development in the West — we don’t need more cars, more TVs, more whatever. Our needs are by and large satisfied, although the recession has put a lot of strains on that.

    So if you haven’t got that “more whatever” yet you can get fukd as we’re apparently satisfied according to Unky Helen.

    I feel so unencumbered of having to express an opinion that I’ll defer all thoughts on my satiety in future to the arch-Maoist. I wonder if that Angus eye fillet I’m having for dins should really be substituted by lentil soup. H1?

    DS, you listening? New policy statement from H2 coming by SMS in 3,2,1…

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  55. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    So Helen Clark doesn’t heart Owen Glenn anymore?

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  56. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    On May 25th 1961, JFK announced that the USA was going to put a person on the moon (and bring him back to earth). Just over 8 years later it was done, and done in style.

    Something certainly has happened since those glory days, as Mark Steyn explains in Ground Control to President Obama:

    “Together, we touched the surface of the moon, unlocked the mystery of the atom, connected the world through our own science and imagination. We haven’t done these things as Democrats or Republicans. We’ve done them as Americans.”

    Beyond the cheap dissembling, there was a bleak, tragic quality to this paragraph. Does anyone really believe a second-term Obama administration is going to build anything? Yes, you, madam, the gullible sap at the back in the faded hope’n’change T-shirt. You seriously think your guy is going to put up another Hoover Dam? Let me quote one Deanna Archuleta, Obama’s deputy assistant secretary of the interior, in a speech to Democrat environmentalists in Nevada:

    “You will never see another federal dam.”

    Ever.

    Sounds like true believing Leftists like Tom Jackson need to take on environmental groups – which will be rather difficult given that they think they’re the true Left. Steyn riffs on the “we touched the surface of the moon” part of the speech:

    And as we will one day tell our grandchildren:
    “Together, we touched the surface of the decaf caramel macchiato and deemed it to be more than 16 ounces.

    Together, we unlocked the mystery of 30-year-old college students’ womanhood. One small step to the Ikea futon for a lucky Georgetown Law freshwoman, one giant leap for womankind.

    Who will ever forget the day when the Union Pacific Board of Health Compliance and the Central Pacific Agency of Sustainable Growth Enhancement met at Promontory Community College, Utah, to hammer in the Golden Spike condom dispenser?”

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  57. Fletch (6,408 comments) says:

    We are lesser men of greater fathers.

    Tom Jackson @12.54pm

    Well said…

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  58. Leaping Jimmy (16,509 comments) says:

    Clark is clearly speaking on more of a philosophical level than a policy level. It’s a bit sad you can’t / won’t tell the difference…

    How about the lefties stop pretending that (a) lefties themselves don’t aspire to those things and (b) Clark sold the consumption message during the naughties better than most with no moderation and no limitations, for her own very very venal purposes.

    You won’t do that will you, but sadly, for you, it’s already on record, as part of history, so you can’t very well deny your very own Hulun did in fact do that, can you. Unless you wish to lie outright and I see above, many of you are prepared so to do.

    Shame on you.

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  59. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Jesus!!!

    Some of you have gone soft. Do you not remember the years of tyranny that POS Klark subjected us all to?, do you not remember how she broke laws with gay abandon (pun fully intended) and if caught simply spoke to her tame Police Commissioner who swept it all under the carpet.

    Make no mistake, the evil bovine that is Klark has made this statement for one reason only, this is all a part of her game plan to be the next Sec Gen at the totally useless UN.

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  60. Griff (7,808 comments) says:

    Clark
    Das Clarkinfurur
    Will we ever be free of the rank stench permeating off the harpy.
    I had to look into this post only because of a morbid fascination as to the weight of bile spread on the putrid corpse of her memory. I am not dispirited in the depth of disgust Yet my loathing of the mere mention of she still fills me with a intense feeling of disgust and horror. One day we will recover from damage inflicted by her and her coven on our nation. Only to have to abide another destructive election cycle perpetrated by the misguided ideologue of the socialist left

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  61. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Sanity prevails occasionally. No doubt Greenpeace will want to eliminate the courts now.
    Greenpeace fails to get oil permit review
    HAMISH RUTHERFORD
    Last updated 16:11 22/06/2012

    Greenpeace and an East Coast iwi could face a hefty legal bill after their application for a judicial review into the awarding of major oil exploration permits was rejected.

    Earlier this month, Greenpeace and East Coast iwi Te Whanau-a-Apanui applied for a judicial review of the decision by the Minister of Energy to award large oil exploration permits in the Raukumara Basin.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7154852/Greenpeace-fails-to-get-oil-permit-review

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  62. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “Das Clarkinfurur”
    “POS Klark”
    “the evil bovine that is Klark”
    “Unless you wish to lie outright and I see above, many of you are prepared so to do.”
    “The left – a bunch of jealous assholes”
    “they can just fuck off”
    “Shes like a bad fart that just wont go away. Mind ya business klarkula”
    “Here’s a photo of the event: (link to photo of Himmler)”
    “Will we ever be free of the rank stench permeating off the harpy.”
    “It should all be confisicated and she should be placed to a prision camp”
    “She should do the world a favor and drop dead.”

    Gee, good thing I’m reading Kiwiblog and not being exposed to the hatred, bile, abuse and threats that leftists indulge in! :)

    “the woman who couldn’t leave her cellphone alone during a eech given by the Queen”

    If I was listening to an eech by the Queen, I’d probably resort to sending texts as well.

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  63. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The completion of the Human Genome project is more important than the entire Apollo program

    Apparently not. It appears to have been radically oversold. Hype more than anything.

    Mark Steyn

    I lived in Canada for many years. Nobody of any substance takes that kook seriously. Frum, sometimes. Steyn is a space cadet.

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  64. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Be wary of those hugely-expensive politically-driven prestige projects. Remember that JFK also enunciated the fascist’s creed: “Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.”

    He was talking about the virtues of citizenship – a concept that made sense to our ancestors. Your ham fisted analysis just shows how low we have sunk. To equate exlempfying the virtues of the good citizen of a republic with the obliteration of the individual is both low minded and moronic.

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  65. projectman (224 comments) says:

    Typical – the likes of Clark as she is reported here – and others who “have enough” – trying to tell those who don’t have it that they can’t or shouldn’t have it; an attitude so typical of many middle class who have “made it”, also exemplified particularly by the Greens in their pronouncements on all and sundry.

    Spare me from these holier-than-thou attitudes.

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  66. gump (1,650 comments) says:

    Tom Jackson said:

    Apparently not. It appears to have been radically oversold. Hype more than anything.

    ————-

    Wow! You actually were serious.

    The completion of the Human Genome Project is one of the greatest advances in human development for several hundred years.

    I’m genuinely surprised at your ignorance.

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  67. labours a joke (442 comments) says:

    “Greenpeace and an East Coast iwi could face a hefty legal bill after their application for a judicial review into the awarding of major oil exploration permits was rejected.”

    Bawhahahahahahah!!! *stops for composure*…Bwhahahahahaha!!!

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  68. Harriet (4,975 comments) says:

    RRM #

    “…No-one’s saying the west are “evil” Dime, let’s try and keep a bit of perspective in this………It’s true that the little black baby girl about to get eaten by a crow in my link has got REAL problems in her life, compared to you and me, yeah?…”

    Yeah….she has….and to put some perspective on it…..what’s the excuse that her government’s leaders are now using ? Is it “We arn’t white, so we can’t feed our people ” ?

    Whites no longer run any country in Africa because we were TOLD by the UN that we were NOT any good AT running them !

    So I’m not giving AFRICA 1 cent until they stop killing their own civillian populaces and can show the world that they can, instead, feed them !

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  69. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yeah, pesky UN coming out against colonialism – how dare they! Can’t anyone see that things in Africa were infinitely better under enlightened European rule?

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  70. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Mikey: Actually, one could make that argument…at least for parts of it. Uganda? Once known as “the pearl of Africa” for its rich resources. Then along came Idi Amin Dada…Zimbabwe? Exporter of food and other resources…now international basket case ruled by a black despot infinitely worse than Ian Smith. South Africa? What what I can work out there is now a rich black elite as well as a rich white elite…but your average black South African is as poor as ever.

    Funnily enough, all those countries – and others such as Kenya which didnt do too badly either – were run by the Brits. The picture wasnt so benign for the subjects of the Portuguese..

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  71. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Belgium’s King Leopold II was ever so nice too David. Estimates of the death toll during his 1885 – 1908 reign over his Belgian Congo range from 10 to 13 million people. The suffering compelled both Arthur Conan Doyle and Mark Twain to write about the situation in Leopold’s Belgium Congo and the Parliament of Belgium annexed the Congo and took over its administration.

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  72. tom hunter (4,894 comments) says:

    I’m genuinely surprised at your ignorance.

    You are? Admittedly Jackson only has a few comments to his name here, but most of them have demonstrated a hermetically sealed confidence about what Big Government can do. I’d bet that he’s never even considered a US space program that was an alternative to the two Five Year Plans engaged by Kennedy and LBJ. He probably thinks the SLS is a great idea and that the Falcon9 is a toy. But then he’s probably also awaiting treatment at the Union Pacific Board of Health Compliance.

    Having said that I must admit that, between the two, I’d pick the Apollo program every single time, even though I know you’re right that the Human Genome project will probably have a greater impact on humanity. There’s just something about the idea of riding rockets.

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  73. Scott Chris (6,150 comments) says:

    My fancy new TV ain’t the cause of social unrest and environmental catastrophe.

    Disagree that excessive consumption isn’t linked to environmental catastrophe. Boils down to the fundamental incompatibility between rapacious and insatiable human desire for material goods and the earth’s finite resources. The evidence of this is the damage already done.

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  74. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    The completion of the Human Genome Project is one of the greatest advances in human development for several hundred years.

    From a supporter of the HGP (as I am):

    http://phylogenomics.blogspot.co.nz/2010/08/human-genome-project-oversold-sure-but.html

    The HGP is interesting and has yielded many interesting insights, but it’s nothing compared to the audacity of Apollo). The LHC is more interesting than the HGP in my view.

    You are? Admittedly Jackson only has a few comments to his name here, but most of them have demonstrated a hermetically sealed confidence about what Big Government can do.

    You didn’t even read the initial comment. There are some things only governments are capable of doing, but that does not mean that all governments are capable of doing them. As I noted the US government has gone from being capable to being incapable. I’m quite proud of not being a numbskull libertarian BTW.

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  75. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    The odious comrade Clark needs to be kept well away from NZ forever.

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  76. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    There is nothing wrong with wanting more, in fact it is these aspirations that drive our economies and our advance in technology and industry.

    Precisely. 

    It’s because my ancestors wanted more that I enjoy a comfortable life with excellent food, housing, travel, communication, healthcare, sports, culture and leisure.

    It’s because I want more that my children will have cheap abundant energy, advanced medicines, global travel, continuous education and long lives.

    If the self-appointed elite of the UN had their way 100 years ago thong would be very different today. That’s why the UN must be abandoned. It is the greatest, if most insidious threat to freedom and progress that the world has ever known.

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  77. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    What percentage of the population do you think recognize the danger to civilization that socialism poses. I’m talking of the palatable socialism that has peen pushed along with alcopops these last 20 years? I’m not saying that HC is a bad woman, au contrare, I think she has been a savvy merchant and not a particularly socialist one. However, the message that the general populace has run with is that “rich people are baad and Labour caares. This to my mind has lead to our current disparities in income and lifestyle.

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