General Debate 15 July 2012

July 15th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. lilman (960 comments) says:

    once again!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    The anti asset sales protests include claims of exercising people power, but it’s more like failed parties from the last election recruiting gullible people.

    People power is where people gather in strength, not where politicians fool the weak in their futile folly.

    Anti asset sales campaigning grew from an election loss – people power sold down the river?

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  3. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    The ETS is a scam: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10819582

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  4. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    The anti asset sales protsts were breathlessly hyped up on TV1 last night. Time to privatise that too.Sheer propaganda.

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  5. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    I was walking down Broadway exactly as this happened, classic:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10819666

    Of course as soon as the police turned up to handcuff these guys and take them away, they were spraying insults at their captors from the safety of the police cars…tough guys.

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  6. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Manolo, i wish these reporters woud do their background reasearch better.

    If the woman in the article was in a state house, she would not be getting accomodation supplement. Her rent is likely to be $94 a week because it is based on her Dpb only. If she isn’t in a state house, to receive $225 accomodation supplment she would have to be living in what is considered a zone 1 area, example, central auckland. The journalist states she lives in South Auckland, which allows her, $165 accomodation supplement. To receive Temporary additional support, her rent woud need to be $500 plus or have car payments or essential items that she is paying off. But again, if she is in a state house? Chances she wouldnt’t qualify.

    As for couples receiving $2000 plus? More than likely if they are both claiming a single parent benefit and claim they are not living together.

    The one thing the reporter didnt get wrong was too often benefits go to loan repayments.

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  7. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    “Everyone knows that world oil production has been running between 88 and 89 million barrels per day (mbpd) this year because government, industry and media sources tell us so. As it turns out, what everyone knows is wrong.

    It’s wrong not because the range quoted above can’t be found in official sources. It’s wrong because the numbers include things which are not oil such as natural gas plant liquids and biofuels. If you strip these other things out, then world oil production has been running around 75 mbpd this year. The main thing you need to know about the worldwide rate of production of crude oil alone is that it has been stuck between 71 and 75 mbpd since 2005 (calculated on a monthly basis). And, that has already had huge negative effects on the world economy and world society through high energy prices that are partly responsible for our current economic stagnation.

    But because natural gas plant liquids production has been growing rather rapidly due to recent intensive drilling for natural gas and because those liquids are misleadingly lumped in with oil supplies, people have been mistakenly given the impression that world oil production continues to grow. Not true! What’s growing is a category called “total liquids” which encompasses oil, natural gas plant liquids, biofuels and some other minor fuels. Total liquids are growing only because of large gains in natural gas plant liquids and minor gains in biofuels. And, this is why it is so important to understand what natural gas plant liquids are.”
    //
    The case for lumping NGPL with oil supply is not very strong. In fact, given that little substitution is possible and the growth in the substitutes that are available is limited, the merging of NGPL with oil seems more like a facing-saving gesture on the part of those who have consistently been wrong on oil supplies and prices in the last decade. And, it seems to be a move of desperation by an industry that has been having trouble in recent years replacing its oil reserves. If investors caught on to the idea that oil companies are now essentially self-liquidating enterprises, valuations would be cut drastically. And that, of course, means that stock options and stock holdings for top executives would be devastated as would positions held by big investors.
    http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2012-07-08/how-changing-definition-oil-has-deceived-both-policymakers-and-public
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146362117313094.html

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  8. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    In this week’s episode of R-Squared Energy TV, I discuss the recently released paper by former Eni executive Leonardo Maugeri — in which he suggests global oil supplies will increase by 17 million barrels per day by the end of the decade — as well as George Monbiot’s highly publicized reaction to the report.
    http://www.energybulletin.net/media/2012-07-12/enough-oil-fry-planet

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  9. Paulus (2,633 comments) says:

    I am staggered to learn that Leigh Auton (with a Manukau park named after him now) has been appointed CEO of Tauranga City Council following the untimely death of the new CEO who was beginning to get things better controlled.
    Remember Auton – Len Brown’s close pal – signed off Len’s dinner expenses (to which he and his wife were often in attendance).
    Tauranga Council is one of the most indebteness Councils in NZ (after Kaipara).
    Talk about letting the tiger into the rabbit cage.
    At Manukau he was with Len the big spender on all things social(ist).
    Gawd help the Ratepayers.

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  10. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Pete

    Labour, Mana, ‘Greens’ Astro-turfing.
    Mob rule.
    Protest, ‘direct-action’ (Vandalising things and occupying things).
    Harrasing and intimidating people.
    Spreading false information.

    Astro-turfing needs a
    not-to-bright, ->tick
    biased, -> tick
    sympathetic -> tick
    and complying media -> tick

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  11. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    I see Hugh Green who owned a lot of land around Auckland died.
    http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=150298&fm=newsmain,nrhl

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  12. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Asset inflation isn’t wealth creation, it simply defers the charge to first home buyers.
    Bring on land taxes.

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  13. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Just watching The Nation – Farrar, your suit looks far too loose!

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  14. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    January 2008 Special 50th Issue. Beautiful woman lounges in a hammock by the beach.
    Property Investor Magazine.

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  15. meh (165 comments) says:

    I’d say a fair number of people who frequent this blog are watching the nation… quickest way to get your blood pressure up on a sunday morning!

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  16. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7280872/Out-of-the-cage-but-only-in-Parliament

    Good on ya Mojo, absolutely justifying your salary and your extra bits.

    What a waste of space

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  17. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    hj

    bit early for petite socialists isn’t it, I would have thought you’d be tired from protecting your assets with the “thousands”: who marched across the country yesterday.

    And good on the beautiful woman in her hammock we need more of them ,if only to wind up the envious and sad like yourself

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  18. joe bloggs (126 comments) says:

    The PPTA stoops to a new low – and defines charter schools as a racist policy:

    “PPTA official Bronwyn Cross interjected at the meeting, describing the idea of placing the new schools in impoverished areas of south Auckland and Porirua as racism.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10819663

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  19. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Why is Jacob Oram still in the NZ cricket team?

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  20. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    Cage free eggs.

    Bring it on.

    Then the poor,who the Greens pretend to represent,won’t be able to buy eggs.

    Dilema for the Greens; do we represent chickens or people?

    Greens probably don’t really care about the lower orders in society as their voter base is likely to be the sustainably driven environmetally conscious urban,middle class who take the 4 wheel drive to latte (fair trade of course).

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  21. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    The anti asset sales protsts were breathlessly hyped up on TV1 last night. Time to privatise that too.Sheer propaganda.

    TV3 was probably worse. Interviewing lots of people abusing Key – people who look like they probably contributed ZERO to the state in the way of taxes. Our Assets indeed. Fucking bludging low lives.

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  22. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    100 to Ross Taylor though makes me happier.

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  23. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    Oil and gas.

    Good piece from the Economist. Lots of gas around.

    We just need to get exporing and exploiting. Here’s to a warm and wealthy future.

    http://www.economist.com/node/21558432

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  24. Fletch (6,410 comments) says:

    The ETS is a scam: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10819582

    @Manolo 8.23am

    Don’t agree with Rodney on everything, but he is right on the money here.
    Representative picture of Lawless too – with her big mouth open.

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  25. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay (2,416) Says:

    And good on the beautiful woman in her hammock we need more of them ,if only to wind up the envious and sad like yourself
    …………
    It is just that so many of you go on about bludgers, but who are the bludgers? Some poor sod pays for unearned capital gains ($900,000 for an old house in Auckland).
    Land tax was “all the talk” at the Association of Economists a year or two back (I read).

    The anti asset sale people don’t really succeed as they look like cavemen whereas there is merit in both sides of the argument.

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  26. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    @ kowtow

    how much newly discovered oil and gas is useful for cars, buses and trains?

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  27. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Brian

    Saw that Brian.
    Saw the interview with the “Fuck Key” placard bearer.
    All the usual Green, Mana and Labour placards.
    Abusive, emotive and ill-informed.
    Remember the National Government came to the party with deferring License fees of $43 million Media works under howls of protest from the ‘opposition’ (Mallard was one of the most vocal ones).
    What will happen when National won’t do them a favour next time?
    Will the ‘opposition’ scream blue murder again?

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  28. wat dabney (3,778 comments) says:

    I too caught the anti-sales protests on the news last night, but unlike others I believe the TV reporters are in favour of the sales. How else to explain the depiction of the protesters as nothing but a collection of sponging thickos without a coherent idea or sentence between them?

    They showed a supposed rap singer, but he was so hilariously camp and pathetic I’m sure it was Ali G:

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    hj

    “some poor sod” may be perfectly happy with his lot. If someone has worked and can buy a property or a mortgage or has funded a developement, how are any of these people bludgers?

    Bludgers are the couple of hundred rent a fuck wits that were in Queen street again yesterday pissing and moaning rather than working.

    And while on that subject – in Queen Street last night using the Civic Car park, if these arse holes must protest could they at least take their pathetic cardboard placards and not just throw them on the ground,- littering bastards, some worker has to pick up tomorrow

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  30. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @hj

    “how much newly discovered oil and gas is useful for cars, buses and trains?”

    The short answer is;
    All of it.

    Through a process called GTL, Gas to Liquid, natural gas can be converted into synthetic fuels (Petrol and diesel)
    Sasol in South Africa uses the same principle (CTL – Coal to Liquids) to refine fuel oils from coal.

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  31. kowtow (8,524 comments) says:

    hj
    i don’t really care.
    what i care about is that there is shit loads of the stuff around and the more the better and cheaper for us consumers.

    So my hope is that the oil and gas companies get cracking,fracking and what ever else they do .And the ecowhackos and scare mongers ,luddites and alarmists can go and fuck off.

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  32. holysheet (404 comments) says:

    Other_andy is right.

    Might I dare say the muldoon and think big back in the 70’s was way before his time. Who remembers motunui and the gas to petrol plant they built there to protect us from high oil prices.

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  33. holysheet (404 comments) says:

    O_A is right

    Muldoon and his think big projects of the 70’s might have been way ahead of their time. Who remembers Motunui the gas to petrol plant built to protect us from rising prices?

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  34. holysheet (404 comments) says:

    O_A says
    Through a process called GTL, Gas to Liquid, natural gas can be converted into synthetic fuels (Petrol and diesel)
    Sasol in South Africa uses the same principle (CTL – Coal to Liquids) to refine fuel oils from coal.

    He is right
    Who remembers Muldoon and his think big projects of the 70’s and early 80’s?
    Motunui, a gas to petrol plant, was built to protect us from ever increasing oil prices. The man was obviously way ahead of his time in his thinking

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  35. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    I now have a better understanding of how Māori feel about water. I am at one with Māori on water.

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  36. calendar girl (1,244 comments) says:

    @Brian Smaller:

    “The anti asset sales protsts were breathlessly hyped up on TV1 last night. Time to privatise that too.Sheer propaganda.

    “TV3 was probably worse. Interviewing lots of people abusing Key – people who look like they probably contributed ZERO to the state in the way of taxes. Our Assets indeed. Fucking bludging low lives.”

    And Prime News did much the same at 5.30pm, even interviewing exactly the same clueless woman (the one with the highlighted hair) as TV1 did. The classic aspect of the “journalism, however, was the repeated reference to “thousands” of protestors in the street. Nobody seemed willing to even make the usual exaggerated guess.

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  37. HB (323 comments) says:

    good article
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7280728/Teachers-our-firstline-crime-fighters-judge

    the title is slightly misleading though – Becroft says so much more than this

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  38. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    lilman (285) Says:
    July 15th, 2012 at 8:14 am

    once again!!!!!!!!!!

    late though.

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  39. Harriet (4,990 comments) says:

    “….Protesters in their thousands….”

    It’s a pity that Mighty River and Maori water arn’t halfway up the fucken Mekong.

    Shearer and other Labour shadow cabinet members don’t care if assets are sold….that’s why they don’t protest…..unlike Helen in the anti-war days.

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  40. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Wahine, just following on from yesterdays coffee delivery I had this little gem come thru the news feed. I’m sure you will be encouraged to moderate your coffee intake early in the day.

    http://screencast.com/t/H6XOFSsT9

    :lol:

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  41. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    This short video has gone viral and is full of symbolism which I almost guarantee none here would understand – until you look at the interpretation sidebar links. Most of those interpretation sites BTW get some things right and other things wrong and also miss some things which other sites pick up on, so if you’re interested, don’t just stop at the first interpretation link you look at.

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  42. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Viking… being almost 50, trust me when i say this… i’d rather wake up to great coffee. The chances of sex after coffee is likely to increase 10 fold ;)

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  43. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Taxpayers are forking out $2000-plus a week to a select group of benefit-dependent parents with more than 10 children.

    Official figures show that twelve families on welfare have 10 or more kids, receiving a range of top-up payments on top of their average of nearly $1000 a week.

    Social Development minister Paula Bennett said she was keeping a close eye on them.

    “There’s two words we don’t use often enough in this country and that’s self-responsibility,” Bennett told the Herald on Sunday. “The size of someone’s family is their business, so long as they don’t expect someone else to pay for it.”

    …But beneficiary advocate and former Green MP Sue Bradford said everyone would be better off if beneficiaries received more money.

    “Do the maths on it and have a bit of compassion. Anyone who calculates how much it costs to feed and clothe those kids will know how hard it is,” she said.

    How come it’s only us who need to have the compassion? How come, according to Bradford, it’s OK for beneficiaries who can’t afford to pay for kids themselves, to just go ahead and have them anyway and expect someone else (us) to pay for them? Why is it “lacking compassion” to expect someone to exercise judgement in the critical matter of bringing another human being into the world? How compassionate are the parents being, if they bring their child into a deprived, gray, drab and dreary childhood with no treats and no holidays, for their entire childhood? Why is that cruelty on the parent’s part perfectly OK in Bradford’s fantasy world?

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  44. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    “Saw the interview with the “Fuck Key” placard bearer.
    All the usual Green, Mana and Labour placards.
    Abusive, emotive and ill-informed.”

    Did you see the guy waving the “Rich Pricks” placard? How confused was that guy? Did he wander into the wrong protest??

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  45. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    Pete George- I have a pretty strong connection with water also. In fact I am about 65% made up of the stuff…

    Yikes- Does that mean Hone and co have a claim on me??

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  46. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay (2,417) Says:
    July 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am
    hj

    “some poor sod” may be perfectly happy with his lot. If someone has worked and can buy a property or a mortgage or has funded a developement, how are any of these people bludgers?
    …….
    “some poor sod” is the first home buyer paying inflated house prices due to someone else’s unearned capital gain. The person swinging in the hammock on the front cover of Property Investor magazine (Special Edition) is the bludger. Land inflation isn’t wealth creation, it creates a charge elsewhere in the economy: tenant or first home buyer.

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  47. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Another Saturday night: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbnat/118026648-three-dead-in-gisborne-police-chase

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  48. lilman (960 comments) says:

    Viking jealous are we, HHAHAHAHAHAH.

    Also watched neighbour and his wife out in shit weather sorting out cows and calves,about 3 hours of mud rain and wind.
    Thing that confused me though was where were all those bleating housewives and arehole headmaters who pissed and moaned about the price of milk and cheese,didnt see one of them ,they were home in bed it seems.
    Townies are really sickening in their ideals and expectations on whats fair and just.
    I hope all dairy farmers earn 50 times as much as their best year because they earn every cent of it.

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  49. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    The world upside down in today’s America: an incompetent who troughed his entire life, criticising wealth-creation: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120715/DA0112KG1.html

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  50. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    He’s a good campaigner that Obama, a bit too wiley for Romney I suspect.

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  51. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    The joy of daily life in Rotovegas: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8499469/rotorua-pub-robbed-in-broad-daylight

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  52. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    hj

    We all had to buy our first home at some stage, mine was in 1989, it was tough. We just made a decision to buy the house and then start the family when things got easier ( they havn’t)

    Its always tough, if it was easy everyone would do it.

    You just don’t get your first home in Paratai Drive, you get in a Mt Roskill or Te Atatau or buy in GI, people are already buying up there but there are still bargins.

    And as for the chick on the hammock, she’ll have done her hard yards either putting up Gib or on her back either way she’ll have paid her dues.

    Envy is a horrible thing and being my consceince will get tiring really really quickly

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  53. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Good summary of what many of us already know but some have difficulty seeing, not because it’s not there, but because they can’t bring themselves to accept it’s happening, they get all emotional about it.

    http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/07/14/the-great-transformation-from-the-welfare-state-to-the-imperial-police-state/

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  54. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    VILE HYPOCRISY EXPOSED by reporter doing his job – shame this is the exception not the rule, isn’t it.

    Congress Now Trying To Outlaw Reporting On Government Corruption – who cares right? That’s just BAU and its OK cos the US govt is totally upfront and honest about everything it does, isn’t it.
    http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/07/13/congress-outlaw-reporting-government-corruption-148411/

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  55. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    Just went out and splurged on the new Galaxy SIII. Anyone know any good aps to recommend?

    Should I have waited till the iphone 5? From what I hear the s3 is still expected to compete well with it.

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  56. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    nickb
    I love “earthquakes”, morbid but great info

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  57. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    As in “earthquakes” is an addroid app? thanks

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  58. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    yep free from the store

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  59. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Useful short 30 min vid on the Fed and how it works.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE5Sw8qJ-g0&feature=player_embedded

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.

    Jefferson said that. Guess what’s happening around America today? You think he might have had a point? Huh?

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  60. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Vanity alert – guess who was the Herald on Sunday’s Blog of the Week this week?

    Hint: It wasn’t http://www.whoar.co.nz :D

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/blog-of-week.html

    Interestingly (and in keeping with the theme of the BotW post), one thousand turned out in Auckland yesterday to protest asset sales. Auckland has a population of well over a million. Does that REALLY mean that only 0.1% of the population actually cares about the partial sales of SOE’s now, and that 99.9% of us either don’t mind, don’t care, or have better things to do on a fine Saturday afternoon?

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  61. chiz (1,145 comments) says:

    Schools are shuffling Maori and Pacific Island students into “easy” subjects to boost NCEA results, according to new research. .

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  62. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Congrats KS. I thought Akld was around 1.3/4 m now, which makes a thousand around 0.07% – on a fine day as well. It’s just tragic isn’t it. Verging on pathetic. I wonder if any of the organisers are planning on applying for special funding for depression counselling? Let’s hope they get it, how deeply, deeply tragic on so many levels. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

    Meanwhile, I’ve just discovered John Bolton the arch neo-con is Romney’s FP advisor and as we already know, Brzezhinsky is Obama’s.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/negotiation-delusion_648231.html?page=1

    There’s something seriously deficient in geopolitical understanding if people don’t know how profoundly wrong and dangerous that is. I was almost going to make a comment before about mm’s 1:13 in terms of doesn’t matter which side, both are profoundly flawed. This is just another nail in that coffin.

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  63. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    very quite here today, school holidays must be over

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  64. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Suggest a topic:
    religion?
    climate change?
    politics?
    immigration?
    law and order?
    sport?

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  65. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Suggest a topic:

    How about this?

    ICELAND BOOMS AS THE WORLD STRUGGLES
    http://itmakessenseblog.com/2012/07/09/iceland-booms-as-the-world-struggles/

    So why doesn’t the US and Europe let all the banks fail, imprison the bankers and maybe even execute one or two of the worst offenders? Seriously. Why not. Like this:

    http://www.ianfraser.org/the-wages-of-sin-bankers-on-the-fiddle/

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  66. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Or this?

    http://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/smoking-ban-inspector-stripped-naked/

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  67. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Radical Islam is the future,…you’re right: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120714/DA00T3703.html

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  68. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    An ex-Islamic soccer player who immigrated with refugee status has put their job at NIWA in jeopardy due to claiming the DPB at the same time.

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  69. nasska (11,589 comments) says:

    Reid

    What a wonderful thing to read….the thought of some scummy, officious little civil servant getting his arse handed to him gladdens my heart no matter what was the mission. I doubt that I’ll ever understand the vehemence of the anti smoking brigade. There may be better aromas than tobacco smoke but the BO of soap dodgers, garlic breath & the farts of the terminally flatulent don’t do much for me either.

    Banning smoking in public bars & clubs finished off a few country pubs but I guess that as long as the chardonnay wankers are spared a whiff of smoke all will be well & Dear Leader will be pleased.

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  70. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Maybe we should suggest David G organises phil a job at his local and you know what happens next is what I was really thinking nasska. But I suppose that was very wrong of me. Albeit I think both parties would be rather excited about the plan, provided phil only knows about the anti-smoking part of course. I mean phil does strike me as an officious little man (he’d probably make quite a good TSA agent) so I think he’d probably quite enjoy that part of it, esp if DG pretends he’s taken up smoking again and starts talking about how enjoyable it is to light up in the pub. Just to set the stage.

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  71. nasska (11,589 comments) says:

    Reid

    Devious!

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  72. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Condoleezza Rice: “It is time for all of us, in any way we can, to mobilize, get our act together, and storm Washington D.C.” Time to Storm Obama and Washington D.C.?
    July 14th, 2012 | Author: The Meister

    by Sher Zieve
    I am in extremely fine company. On 18 June 2012, I wrote in my column “Obama Dictatorship Now Overtly Lawless…Congress Largely Yawns”: “We have almost completely lost our country to the Marxist/Islamic ruler currently ensconced in OUR White House, folks.

    http://itmakessenseblog.com/2012/07/14/condoleezza-rice-it-is-time-for-all-of-us-in-any-way-we-can-to-mobilize-get-our-act-together-and-storm-washington-d-c-time-to-storm-obama-and-washington-d-c/

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  73. DJP6-25 (1,388 comments) says:

    kowtow 8:30 am. Asset sales are a good idea. Once they’re all gone, the size of government will have shrunk. Then two more steps have to be taken. Term limits for all elected politicians. That stops a prefessional political class emerging. Let’s say four parliamentary terms. Twelve calendar years. Do the same for all civil servants. Twelve years working for government. Then they have to return to the private sector. No more feifdoms for people who are there for life. Next, remove ‘competence’ from councils. Rewrite the RMA. Finally, get governmemt out of health, education, housing, and welfare. Result, a substantially disempowered left, less taxes, and a gradual reduction in social problems. It won’t work over night. But it will work.

    Naturally, none of the current politicians or parties will implement it. The supply of OPM will have to be exhausted first. Then there will be no choice. Could be a rough ride.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  74. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    V2
    You believe that nonsense? ‘the Marxist/Islamic ruler’???

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  75. Elaycee (4,393 comments) says:

    It must be Sunday.

    Tee Vee One is trying so hard to fill it’s 6pm News slot that it has even dragged up more crap from the Gween anti pokie zealot Denise Roche.

    Her latest bran fart is the suggestion that Sky City should somehow ask patrons where they got their money from and in the (highly) unlikely event that it transpired that money spent at the Casino had somehow been a ‘proceed of crime’ then Sky City should pay it back! Of course, it was all lapped up and repeated by Lisa Owen – her long standing personal crusade against pokies seems to continue unabated.

    So how is Sky City supposed to determine whether the $100 (or $1,000) being spent by someone on their premises, is really theirs and whether it was a proceed from a crime?

    “Excuse me, Sir. Is that your money or did you mug someone? Did you steal is from an ATM? Is your $1000 really the proceeds of a drug deal? Did you pay tax on that?”

    And why limit this financial inquisition to Sky City? Why not Sports Betting? Alexander Park Raceway? Pokies in the local Pub? The RSA? On-line gaming sites? Will Lotto shops ask where I got my Lotto money?

    Pffttt….

    Sunday night has become a time for political zealots to get their face on TV and promote their own agenda. And the compliant media (screaming for items to fill the 60 minutes that makes up their Sunday night News) just laps it up.

    We really deserve better.

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  76. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    For saying I agree with Maori on water I get mobbed by Standardistas. I wonder what they will say about this one:

    All you filthy colonising white maggot scum can crawl back to the slums you came from now.

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  77. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    So Why Go There Pete?!! You know the level of “debate”; you know you are going to get insulted; you know the moderators are hugely biased…

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  78. Redbaiter (9,123 comments) says:

    The Labour/ National commies who congregate here need to read Gantt’s most excellent Crusader Rabbit Post.

    It’s you he’s talking to.

    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=13755

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  79. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Pete I took your post to mean we all own water so we all get a say, no-one group gets to alienate it. Is that what your position is, or is it that Maori have “special rights” that we don’t have.

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  80. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Someone has to hold them to account DG. Besides, I’m learning a lot about how activists on the left operate.

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  81. Pete George (23,602 comments) says:

    Reid – All of us have an affinity with water and need to have a say in what is done with it. How many Maori view water is they same as how many non-Maori view water. I’m on the same page as what I believe Pita Sharples thinks – rights and responsibilities for water are not specific to any one group, they should be shared by everyone.

    From what I understand many Maori want recognition of the importance of water to them and want to participate in water management, but don’t exclude others from the same.

    I think we should be looking at what most people can agree on, not what a few extremists use to try and drive wedges between everyone else.

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  82. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Without reading the Crusader Rabbit post (I mean, who would?) let me just guess that it is a rant against the secret Marxists running the country.

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  83. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    The news on Wednesday that cities and states are suing some of the world’s largest banks over Libor manipulation shows how this scandal could blow up into one of history’s biggest bank frauds.

    That’s because interest-rate manipulation might well have kept your town or state from hiring firefighters or teachers, from paving roads or paying for indigent care or after-school programs for your kids — adding to the human suffering of the economic collapse these same banks caused in the first place…

    “This could get very ugly in a hurry for some banks,” Peter Tchir of TF Market Advisors wrote in a note.

    …And this could finally be enough to make Americans stop reacting to the Libor scandal with “a shrug,” as Joe Nocera recently put it, and push them closer to believing what Robert Shapiro, founder of economic advisory firm Sonecon, calls possibly “the biggest financial fraud in history.”

    Would it be enough, maybe, to finally cause banks to lose the argument that regulating them too much will hurt the economy?

    PG thank you for clarifying but I’m still unclear. My position is: no-one owns it, since its vital for all. No-one has a property right in it therefore no-one can impose a clip the ticket model if someone uses it in a commercial process. Is that also your position, or not?

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  84. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    i got rained on earlier today. does that mean i owe some maori some money?

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  85. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    yeah dime… me… :)

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  86. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    One goes back on his meds, another comes off them…c’est la vie…

    Dime: If I were you mate, I would pay the woman…believe me, you don’t want to cross her…

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  87. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    how much NW? 10 cents? 40 bucks? whats the going rate?

    if only my family had been here for 150 years.. oh wait..

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  88. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/9399051/Campbell-Whalley.html

    75 years and not a moment wasted, lived a life

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  89. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    ha! I’m all sweetness and light dear David ;)

    and dime, how wet did you get? It’s all about volume… *ponders the interest rate*

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  90. Harriet (4,990 comments) says:

    Redbaiter #

    Top stuff. All true too.

    As Alexis de Tocqueville said, “…it is the government that has inherited the privileges of which families, corporations, and individuals have been deprived…”

    That quote at the end summed it up just right – If an individual is deprived of exercising reasonable power he is deprived of the benefits of reasonable living.

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  91. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Dime: Listen mate…it’s got nothing to do with DURATION of residence…which is why it doesnt matter when
    Maori academics exaggerate the time the Maaaari have been here by a factor of 40 (Delahunty used to frequently talk of their 40,000 year occupation)…its about how you FEEL…put simply, you are not equipped to feel the Wairua of the river which may have run through your Grandads farm…you are just the descendant of a colonising honky, for whom water is just another natural resource to be ruthlessly exploited…in fact, its worser, because your great grandfather might have actually done some colonising!

    If you send a stamped addressed envelope I will get Wahine’s Aunty to send you some literature so you can re-educate yourself, and understand why you should forever be going trough paroxysyms of guilt…

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  92. Redbaiter (9,123 comments) says:

    Thanks Harriet.

    Its a shame these ignorant ill educated and traitorous commies fail to realise just how much they are pissing people off with their endless chasing of their infantile utopian delusions.

    The governments they vote for are the manifestation of so many evils our fathers and grandfathers died to protect us from.

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  93. Redbaiter (9,123 comments) says:

    “Dime: If I were you mate, I would pay the woman…believe me, you don’t want to cross her…”

    Wow, there’s DG doing what he does best- advocating for capitulation.

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  94. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Yes, dime. The enlightened and advanced Marris own the water, the air, the light,…the lot.
    They also claim rights to the universe, because the Big Bang was Kupe’s idea.

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  95. Redbaiter (9,123 comments) says:

    Thanks Harriet.

    Its a shame these ignorant ill educated and traitorous commies fail to realise just how much they are pissing people off with their endless chasing of their infantile utopian delusions.

    The governments they vote for are the manifestation of so many evils our fathers and grandfathers died to save us from.

    (Apologies if this comment shows up twice.)

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  96. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    The Times of London should lodge a petition with the Waitangi Tribunal: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120714/DA00PDC02.html

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  97. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    ok Manolo, that was funny. :)

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  98. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Thank you, NW, but I was dead serious. :D

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  99. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Apologies if this comment shows up twice.)

    Its actually shown up about 12500 times Red

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  100. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Northland Wahine (330) Says:
    July 15th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

    Viking… being almost 50, trust me when i say this… i’d rather wake up to great coffee. The chances of sex after coffee is likely to increase 10 fold ;)

    so dime, never mind the money its plenty of coffee the lady requires.

    http://screencast.com/t/YtSP9gCO

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  101. Redbaiter (9,123 comments) says:

    Well, I guess it takes a special kind of dumbass (like you Paul) to read it that many times.

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  102. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    i know! Still made me cackle!

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  103. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    The unseasonal wet weather during the north’s dry season has seen a number of rainfall records tumble this week.

    Lucinda, north of Townsville, broke a 119-year-old record when 141mm fell in just 24 hours, topping the previous daily July rainfall total of 111mm which was set in 1893.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/heavy-fog-lifts-mercury-in-north-qld/story-e6freoof-1226425980353

    Townsville recorded its wettest July daily total in 60-plus years with 118mm, while Urandangie, southwest of Mount Isa, had its heaviest rain in 26 years.

    Babinda Post Office recorded 146mm in 24 hours beating the previous record of 139mm set in 1935 while Innisfail recorded 145mm, smashing the record of 92mm set in 1959.

    If the rain continues, a number of Queensland towns are on track to beat their annual rainfall records despite predictions another El Nino may be on its way.

    Queensland wetest year since records began in 1881.

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  104. Steve (North Shore) (4,565 comments) says:

    Manilo @7.11
    “Yes, dime. The enlightened and advanced Marris own the water, the air, the light,…the lot.
    They also claim rights to the universe, because the Big Bang was Kupe’s idea.”

    Gravity is the key, water is nothing without ‘gravity’ Once the Marrys get that we are doomed.
    Where do you purchase Gravity, and who can sell it? Oh intellectual property stuff.
    They own everything

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  105. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    PEB, recognise this fella.

    http://screencast.com/t/gVYrcNZ7LdlJ

    Only call occasionally these days.

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  106. Northland Wahine (667 comments) says:

    Theres one in Manukau, but thats new, Fletch. whereabouts?

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  107. nasska (11,589 comments) says:

    A bloke was on holiday with his wife in Vegas.

    On their last night they were having cocktails in the hotel bar when he realised that a rather dapper businessman kept looking over and staring at his wife. At first he didn’t think anything of it, but when she excused herself to go to the toilet, the man stood up and walked over to the table.

    “Excuse me for being so rude, but I couldn’t help but look at your wife”, he said, exuding confidence. “Tell me, are you aware of the film, Indecent Proposal?”

    “Well y-y-yes”, our hero stammered, trying to mask the excitement in his voice, “Why, are you about to make some kind of offer for one night with my wife?”

    “No way!” He laughed. “I just wanted to tell you that she looks exactly like Robert Redford.”

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  108. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    I normally refuse to comment on AGW but this was just great:

    It is the best of times, it is the worst of times — for science. Over the past several years, the world has been spectator to an alarming meltdown as one serious scandal after another has publicly exposed many of the world’s most prestigious scientific organizations, institutions, and publications as being captives of rigid ideologues who employ rigged computer models, fraudulent “evidence,” censorship, and intimidation to advance a radical “green” political agenda and to squelch genuine scientific inquiry and debate.

    Has anyone noticed that during the US/Europe heatwaves, there’s been very little media commentary on AGW being the cause? It’s like they’ve folded their tents and stole into the night.

    However, I know they’ll be back. Chaotic climate conditions will continue, the propaganda will lick its wounds, address its weaknesses and in 1-2 years, be relaunched with a new name, completely different from the flawed, incorrect, biased AGW “science.” And the useful idiots will look around at their local weather, think uh, OK then, and it begins again. You watch. It might be a few more than 1-2 years, but it will be back. And the same people fooled before will be fooled again. You just watch.

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  109. nasska (11,589 comments) says:

    Reid

    They may have folded their tents & done a runner but they have left behind a whole load of crap legislation & a carbon credits scheme which no sane country wants a bar of.

    Pity they weren’t tidy campers who take their garbage with them.

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  110. Reid (16,522 comments) says:

    Lots of lessons in here: a watchmaker who killed five LA gangbangers.

    Why did the gangbangers have to put this man, through what they put him through? There’s not enough of this sentiment, in the law today.

    It’s like any right thinking person suffers by killing another human being. Lefties seem never ever, to take this issue into account, in their thinking.

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  111. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Diversity rules? http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/14/london-2012-olympic-security-g4s

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  112. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    Ah, the incompetent but shameless demagogue: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/15/obama-washington-feels-as-broken-as-it-did-4-years-ago/

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  113. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Roll on charter schools

    Teachers ‘have strong case’ for sleepover pay
    NICOLE MATHEWSON CHARLEY MANN
    Last updated 05:00 16/07/2012

    Teachers have a strong case to be paid an hourly wage while working overnight at school camps, legal advisers say.

    Last month the Independent Schools Education Association asked legal advisers if the September 2011 Employment Court ruling to pay carers at least the minimum wage for each hour worked overnight should apply to the education sector.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/7282438/Teachers-have-strong-case-for-sleepover-pay

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  114. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    V2
    Sounds good, unless you believe that teachers should work overnight for free. Would you work overnight for your employer for no reward?

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  115. Manolo (13,840 comments) says:

    The photos say it all: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7282653/Mates-out-socialising-die-after-chase

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  116. Paulus (2,633 comments) says:

    As Maori want recognition of their management of Water why don’t they work for Mighty River Power, and work to attain the top job, at which time they can have a real say.
    Or is working for something too hard ?

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