Winston seems to think smoking isn’t bad for you

July 19th, 2012 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Winston Peters has criticised the anti- lobby and Maori leaders, saying ordinary Maori are being saddled with a massive tax on most of them don’t want.

Translation: Winston’s addiction is costing him money. I’ve got a solution for poor old Winnie though. The Government could add Quitline to the list of Super Gold Card services!

Mr Peters also questioned why the Japanese lived so long and have low rates of heart disease and stroke when they have the world’s highest smoking rate and said obesity was the main health concern for Maori, not smoking.

Oh dear, Winston must be lining up to be Health Minister in a Labour-led Government.

Incidentally Winston is wrong. The smoking rate in Japan is 24%. A Gallup poll found 21 countries with a smoking rate of over 30%.

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33 Responses to “Winston seems to think smoking isn’t bad for you”

  1. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Of course with Winston it’s all ‘smoke’ and mirrors.

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  2. smttc (752 comments) says:

    You don’t expect Winston to check his allegations for factual content do you? He’s far too lazy and superficial for that nonsense.

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  3. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    Come on this anti smoking agenda is getting down right silly. And who are they going to come after next? Drinking is already in the gun. Sugar?
    We need a return to personal responsibility ,less legislation and more comon sense.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/217697/unhappy-about-name-change

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  4. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    So what is NZ First policy on smoking?

    Tobacco Tax Hike Revenue Should Go to Help Smokers Quit
    25 May 2012
    Andrew Williams
    New Zealand First is asking the Government to guarantee that revenue from its tax hike on tobacco is used exclusively to tackle the harmful effects of smoking.

    Revenue spokesperson Andrew Williams says if the Government is serious about people giving up cigarettes then they need to put their money where their mouth is.

    “They should use the extra tax to boost anti-smoking public awareness campaigns, provide targeted health professional intervention, and integrate smoking cessation programmes.

    “Primary Health Organisations should be better funded, smoking cessation workers require quality training, and innovations such as Quit Cafes should be established.”

    Mr Williams says failure to do this raises the question of whether National hiked the tax out of real concern for the health of New Zealanders.

    “Or are National just playing buddies and paying off the Māori Party in order to keep their vote and support?

    “If that is the case then National has created a smokescreen to what is simply a money grab from smokers.”
    http://nzfirst.org.nz/news/tobacco-tax-hike-revenue-should-go-help-smokers-quit

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  5. Redbaiter (9,098 comments) says:

    At least WP is capable of criticising nanny state policies, something most National Party members are dead scared of doing.

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  6. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    I’m a little wary of price hikes as they are o.k if they influence people to quit, but if people go on anyway the policy is a failure (in that case).

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  7. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Is the principle that matters.

    At least the venal Peters is attacking increased taxation, something Labour lite, aka the feeble National Party, promised not to do.

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  8. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Manolo … Peters and principles are a dirty word. If he had any he would pay the money back he rorted.

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  9. B A W (100 comments) says:

    I thought quitline was free.

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  10. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    I never implied Peters had any principles, which he clearly doesn’t.

    I was talking about the notion o “reduced taxation” or “no more taxes”, so dear to the National Party of yesteryear, nowadays proponent of the same policies of its predecessor.

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  11. B A W (100 comments) says:

    He has a little problem, cutting smoking taxes is bad politics and also not very popular during a recession with Treasury.

    I’m living in Korea, smokes are 2500 won a pack ($2.50) and thus very cheap and thus very easy to afford. And so it encorages smoking, even I have felt a little tempted. Perhaps Winston could get a job here?

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  12. kowtow (8,522 comments) says:

    manolo/redbaiter
    you’re right,National really is coming across as Labour Lite.

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  13. chris (647 comments) says:

    You don’t expect Winston to check his allegations for factual content do you? He’s far too lazy and superficial for that nonsense.

    But then neither does the news media. They have a tendency these days to just quote a politician and call that an article. And so people believe what Winnie says is the truth because they’re not told otherwise.

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  14. Andrei (2,664 comments) says:

    you’re right,National really is coming across as Labour Lite.

    Labour Lite my ass, they are full blown nanny state socialists who put a little free market rhetoric into their election year blurb and pretend they are “center” right to buck up the troops.

    FFS most of the National caucus would have fitted right into Helen Clark’s Caucus and that’s a fact.

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  15. chris (647 comments) says:

    And to illustrate my point perfectly, here’s a comment from the Stuff page:

    Winston’s point about the Japanese is spot on. How can they be the heaviest smokers and still the longest-living in the world? I’ve taken up a pipe recently and feeling good about it.

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  16. Scott Chris (6,150 comments) says:

    At least WP is capable of criticising nanny state policies, something most National Party members are dead scared of doing.

    This has nothing to do with issues of personal freedom. Peters, like Dunne will say anything to solicit niche votes. The guy has all the moral substance of a desiccated jellyfish.

    However I reckon he’s made a powerful enemy in the likes of the lobby group ASH with this latest piece of demagoguery so it may well back fire.

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  17. Lindsay Addie (1,529 comments) says:

    DPF spake – “Winston is wrong”

    Well he’s had plenty of practice at it…….

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  18. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    “More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette”

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  19. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Give us more taxes, John Key. Give us more taxes as promised during your truthful election campaign.
    Yes, continue pandering to the racist Maori Party and you and Labour lite will be loved by the populace.

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  20. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    This is pure political opportunism. Peters sees the smoking minority as a source of votes, especially given the hard line taken by Mrs Turia of the maori party

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  21. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    It is not that long since doctors smoked and were telling others to..Nurses were also heavy smokers..What gets me is all the talk [and money ] being thrown at Smoke Free when almost all the Asian men being allowed to settle here are really heavy smokers.. White English and American women are kept out cos of high BMI’s or told to lose weight before they are allowed in..or prove they have money to cover expected health costs..What about all the Asian men ? Who is going to pay for their healthcare? Why the double standard or have double standards become the norm in NZ?

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  22. noskire (842 comments) says:

    From my observations, Japanese may appear to be heavy smokers, but most of them only smoke the pussy variants like Marlboro Lite – and even then they don’t inhale, just blowing the smoke around to look cool.

    Edit: And since I’ve been a smoker, I’ve never had to use an asthma inhaler again. Go figure.

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  23. Chuck Bird (4,895 comments) says:

    “Incidentally Winston is wrong. ”

    Are you sure Winston is wrong? He many frequent a Japanese restaurant and have more reliable evidence.

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  24. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    It’s funny how the same people who scream blue murder when the cost of electricity go up seem to get off on jacking the cost of smoking. I thought they were meant to care about poor people finances.

    Anyone who gets excited about a loss of freedom (smoking bans, price hikes etc) can get fucked.

    I’m sick of being told what to do. If people wanna smoke, let em.

    Next time some dimwit chick says “I think it’s good the prices of smokes keeps going up”, say something like. “excessive chocolate consumption is bad for society, it’s going up to $12 a chocolate”.

    “we are also concerned about caffeine, a flat white now costs $16.50″

    And so on and so on.

    At any time in history, has the west ever been a bigger bunch of pussies?

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  25. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Something wrong with pussies?

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  26. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    Well you wouldn’t think so mike. You are as weak as piss. You’re the sort that seems to need the government to constantly be on the look out for your well being.

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  27. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    joana

    “What about all the Asian men ? Who is going to pay for their healthcare? Why the double standard or have double standards become the norm in NZ?”

    That would have to be one of the more ignorant comments I have seen on here.

    Smokers (of which I am one) subsidise your health care, we pay far more than our share and when we do end up in hospital we should be given our very own luxury room such is the level of our contribution.

    Come to think of it I am with Dime, if there is going to be an ever increasing rise in sales tax on smokes then the same should happen for booze. Bring in the minimum price per unit I say, if it’s good enough to attack smokers it is good enough to attack those who drink booze.

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  28. Johnboy (16,651 comments) says:

    Can’t be that bad for you. I smoked for thirty years and have only flushed my system with Scotch for eighteen years to mitigate the consequences. Reckon I could carry a 30kg pack further than most of the wanks that condemn both vices! :)

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  29. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    What if it’s not the cigarettes that bring about the longevity, but the whales? :-D

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  30. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Bruv,
    thanks for the high praise..Best complement in a long time ..is that the right spelling?
    the stats re smoking are not clear
    J/B Thanks for a laugh.

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  31. Paulus (2,632 comments) says:

    Heard some stupid old lady (well she sounded old with a smokers cough) saying that she entirely agrees with Winston and she will continue to vote for him: (if she does not die of lung cancer before the election).

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  32. Dave Mann (1,224 comments) says:

    I agree with Andrei, Manolow, Kowtow and Redbaiter. National is every bit as socialist and nannying as Labour ever was and they are an utter disgrace to their political roots. Add to this the fact that smokers apparently pay more in tobacco taxes alone than the health costs they incur, and the issue looks even more ridiculous.

    I am not a smoker and I have not (yet) voted for NZ First…. but I cannot understand why so many people are down on Winston Peters. He seems to be the only person in this sad pathetic parliament who is willing to stand up against the socialist/green/indigenous cabal which is ruining this country.

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  33. Andronicus (219 comments) says:

    Dave: How can the “socialist/green/indigenous cabal” be ruining this country?

    I thought National was in power. Or did I just dream it?

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