Parking tickets after midnight

August 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Unsuspecting Wellington motorists are being stung by council contractors issuing tickets in the dead of night.

New figures from Wellington City Council reveal that Wellingtonians are being ticketed at all times of the day and night. A breakdown of a year’s tickets shows 1403 fines were handed out between the hours of 11pm and 7am.

One person was ticketed at 3am for not having a current registration, and another for parking in a loading zone.

This makes me think it is revenue gathering. Who the hell is inconvenienced by someone being on a loading zone at 2 am?

Council spokesman Grahame Armstrong said the figures showed that people should not be complacent about parking enforcement, no matter what the time of night.

“Unfortunately, some drivers seem to think they can drive around the city after midnight and park wherever they like, without considering the impact on other people.”

Or they think there is no impact to, for example, park on a bus stop at 2 am if the last bus is at 11 pm.

Formal patrols officially finished at 11pm, so any tickets issued later than that were due to complaints.

I am slightly suspicious of that. That is around 30 complaints a week for parking after 11 pm.

I have no problem with responding to complaints from affected residents. But if they are just trawling town looking for minor infringements, I think that would be wrong.

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41 Responses to “Parking tickets after midnight”

  1. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    That is ridiculously officious and shows a distinct lack of leadership.

    I guess Wade-Brown has to try and find the $390m for her toy train set from somewhere.

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  2. jims_whare (398 comments) says:

    Yup a slight taste of what would happen if the greens got their dirt stained hands around the cabinet table.

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  3. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    If Wellington puts the greens in charge, then the greens will charge all they can in response.
    It figures…

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  4. AndHow (5 comments) says:

    The irony is that I once witnessed Wade-Brown parking illegally at Vic Uni in her little electric car. Something that would get the rest of us fined, towed and/or clamped.

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  5. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    This has been happening since before the Gweens came along.

    Wellingtonians have been tolerating this dysfunctional parking regime which everyone dislikes but no-one does anything about, in the same way that Aucklanders tolerate their dysfunctional MetroWater regime, which everyone dislikes but no-one does anything about.

    In both cases it’s a question of telling the politicians who is in charge, and if both sets of politicians disingenuously chose to ignore these issues and neither side stand candidates who will change it, then the voters need to send a message accordingly, to both sets by placing all their votes with a third set who does stand on a policy of changing this outrage. And this will never happen. Not least because the thought does not occur to most ratepayers. So the outrage, and they are outrages, both of them, continue.

    The irony is, this is a perfect issue for a third-party candidate to campaign on in either city. Voters would flock to someone who promised to fix it.

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  6. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    I don’t live in Wellington, thankfully, but is there something up there that says a parking offence is only a parking offence during daylight hours? Or is this a case of the law being enforced, regardless of time of day? And isn’t that how it should be?

    If you park on a fire hydrant, you’ve broken the alw and potentially endangered lives, day or night.

    If you car is unregistered or unwarranted, then you have committed an offence. Deal with it, you are responsible.

    Or, as said elsewhere http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/08/judge_adeane.html#comment-1010526

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  7. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Luke,

    You must also believe that the Police should be out in force patrolling for jaywalkers.

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  8. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    bhudson, as I understand it, patrolling police are there to prevent or detect any form of offence, not just one.

    I guess you are one of the tossers fined for paring illegally or driving an unregistered vehicle, hence your crying tone.

    Do grow up, little man.

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  9. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Sounds like the Hamilton City council – they have been doing this sort of stuff for several years now.

    And guess what – the centre of Hamilton is dying……. shops empty everywhere, bars and night clubs closing down. But shops at places like Chartwell and The base are BOOMING. Not enough car parks. Traffic jams at the entrance.

    And the council cant work out why people would rather go shop at places with private car parking (no parking wardens on patrol) than shop in the CBD where youll get a parking ticket for almost anything.

    And now the council want the right to patrol private parking areas……

    Poor bloody retailers in the CBD are now having to cough up for a body to promote the CBD.

    Its called killing the goose that lays the golden egg………..

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  10. peterwn (3,160 comments) says:

    The article did indicate that there are no rostered wardens between 11pm and 6am, but that people expect the council to provide a response to parking complaints at that time. So Armourguard arrange for general-purpose on duty supervisors to respond, the same people would respond to noise complaints too.

    So the issue becomes – should these supervisors be doing parking enforcement ‘between calls’ or should they turn a blind eye to blatant parking infringements – eg a car on a loading zone at 2am could very well still be there at 5.30am when a truck wants to unload.

    Seems very much a two faced attitude to parking enforcement – you want enforcement when some idiot parks on the footpath and within one metre of your driveway, but you do not want enforcement when you are on the receiving end of it. Make up your minds.

    Be thankful you are not in London where parking enforcement is draconian – the councils love the revenue and the spivs who have the parking enforcement contracts are happy to oblige. One lot was towing away cars over-parked 5 minutes at a meter – and you have to pay up front to get your car back. A guy had his Beemer clampoed one night – he slept in it for the night until the clamping office re-opened as he was scared stiff of vandalism. Compared in NZ if you park on a clearway and are towed – the tow company returns the car without payment although you have to pay the towage when paying the ticket.

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  11. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,795 comments) says:

    David, perhaps you might care to inquire as to how many firms receive goods via a loading zone after midnight.

    I can vouch for the fact that one company I managed did most of it’s work ‘after hours’ in the central city and the bane of my guys’ lives were the self righteous pricks who thought they could park anywhere while they went off to get pissed on triple priced highballs or fuck themselves silly in brothels because they were too stupid to attract a decent wench.

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  12. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    as I understand it, patrolling police are there to prevent or detect any form of offence, not just one.

    Your understanding could do with some fine tuning Luke. The police are able to exercise discretion – which is, of course, exactly the point regarding Wellington’s parking enforcement.

    You might want to wait until you’ve outgrown your Treasures before advising others to grow up son.

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  13. TEO (33 comments) says:

    Do the crime, pay the fine.

    Besides, do you think your insurance company will cover you when illegally parked?

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  14. Scott Chris (5,880 comments) says:

    Or is this a case of the law being enforced, regardless of time of day? And isn’t that how it should be?

    No the law should be enforced when necessary. Clearly there is no congestion problem at 2am so enforcement is unnecessary.

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  15. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    Except, bhudson, the enforcement is not being done by the police, so stick your dummy back in your gob and STFU while your elders have a discussion.

    Both peterwn and Adolf above show a far greater, and far more mature, understanding of the issue than your kindergarten level of “wah wah wah”.

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  16. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Luke, you are the source of much amusement. Go back to your comic books sonny.

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  17. RRM (9,453 comments) says:

    Dirty dirty parking maggots. What unmitigated scum they are.

    :twisted: May Satan shit burning lava on them for all eternity.

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  18. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Adolf/Peterwn,

    I think you will find the loading zones in question here are reserved places in the car parking line and not major goods bays – the latter are private sites and not subject to WCC parking enforcement (council buildings notwithstanding.)

    Those loading parks are mostly used by couriers, tradespeople and other small capacity deliveries. The first and last don’t tend to work at 2am and the 5 minute restriction makes them completely impractical for teams working through the night – unless, of course, you are suggesting they should be allowed to break the parking restriction?

    Peterwn – if the concern is they could be blocking the loading space at 5:30am, then send the warden out then. Not at 2am.

    This is more officious behaviour by WCC and their parking enforcement company. Remember these are the people that ticketed football fans in Thorndon when a Phoenix match went into extra time!

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  19. hmmokrightitis (1,508 comments) says:

    Ive always found the best way to avoid fines or being taken to court over breaking laws is to avoid breaking laws.

    Who knew?

    Ive also found that whinging about people being ticketed for breaking laws on blogs has very little impact. Used to have a serial LZ parker outside our carpark entry in Wellington. If I worked late, their car was generally there around 11PM. Couldn’t get round him. Had him towed. Gave very little shit.

    Park legally, have your car warranted. This isnt rocket science people…and yet many on here whinge when law breakers get away with shit? So, some laws are OK to break, because you say so? Yeah, thats not hypocritical at all…

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  20. 2boyz (250 comments) says:

    I may not be 100% correct on this but I believe the good old WCC was looking for a law change to enable ticking cars without WOF’s & registration on private property. This council has always been over zealous when it comes to parking enforcement (camera car etc). It really does put people off coming into the city.

    It’s a great money spinner for a council that has over spent for many years. A little bit of common sense is called for when it comes to parking enforcement but this council lacks it big time. The Hutt Valley and Porirua must be loving it.

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  21. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    Just to clarify rightitis, I think from my Wgtn experience the issue people seem to object is not out of hours enforcement of bona fide offences like you illustrate, it’s things like being issued a ticket at midnight for the massive offence of having wheels on some paint colour which technically breaches “the law” but inconveniences nobody. Everyone who drives a car in Wgtn knows what I’m talking about, and that’s the parking dysfunction that is completely unnecessary, completely OTT, yet happens all the fucking time, in this particular city.

    For example, at the moment I’m based on the second floor of an office building on The Terrace which is on a corner and our windows look out onto a side street off The Terrace. All the time, every single day, we see meter people literally waiting up the street for meters to expire so they can ounce the instant it does, ticketing cars for being inches misaligned, things like that which inconvenience nobody but which are technical breaches.

    Like I said, I guarantee if you got a mayoral candidate standing on a platform of fixing this dysfunctional ticketing regime, they would make significant inroads into the base of the sitting candidate. Guarantee it.

    The Hutt Valley and Porirua must be loving it.

    LH is just as bad. Don’t know about the others.

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  22. peterwn (3,160 comments) says:

    Funny, I do not remember this ever being a council election issue. Perhaps most residents have no issues with parking enforcement, or people making the most noise about this take little interest in council elections.

    By the way, the Thorndon situation (near the Stadium) is a special case. When resource consent for the stadium was being considered, locals submitted very strongly that stadium patrons should not ‘swamp’ local parking, and this aspect formed one of the conditions for resource consent for the stadium. This included Council taking parking enforcement around the stadium very seriously. Failure to properly enforce would be a breach of the resource consent.

    Once again this shows up tension between groups with opposing interests – those who are inconvenienced by illegal parking and those who do not like receiving tickets. Much of the enforcement that is complained about by one faction results from complaints from the other faction. Councillors and council officials are the meat in the sandwich on this one.

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  23. hmmokrightitis (1,508 comments) says:

    And if Wellingtonians are silly enough to vote that way reid, more fool them. Mind you, given their current mayor…

    And yes, I hear what youre saying, there are some tickets issued when they really shouldn’t – but the whinging here seems a tad misguided – not aimed at you. If your car doesn’t have a warrant, you deserve everything you get. And if your meter runs dry, sorry, doesnt matter if its 2 mins or 20, you need to pay more. That said, meters should be smart these days, and allow people to pay for their exact usage – those meters are coming into use more now.

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  24. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Wankers.

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  25. Reid (15,947 comments) says:

    rightitis, what I’m saying is most of the ticketing activity is unjustified enforcement of dotting i, crossing t stuff. It’s not substantive stuff like an expired WoF. That’s what I’m saying, and the issue is not that 80% of ticketing activity is legit and only 20% is OTT petty bureaucratic, the issue is that the ratio is the opposite – 80% of it is petty bureaucratic. That’s the issue and that’s why it IS dysfunctional, period.

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  26. kowtow (7,625 comments) says:

    Nothing wrong with enforcing the law. Depends how it’s done. Common sense and discretion are important aspects.
    Sadly nowadays those 2 facets of life have been dropped in favour of “targets” and rewards.

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  27. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    The real problem is the privatisation of Council parking control.

    If they were Council officials, they could exercise discretion like the police do.

    But no, they have targets and receive commission for issuing tickets.

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  28. greenjacket (417 comments) says:

    Luke Mutton wrote: “I guess you are one of the tossers fined for paring illegally or driving an unregistered vehicle, hence your crying tone. Do grow up, little man.” etc etc

    Luke – your consistently nasty personal attacks say more about you than the people you attack. I suggest your kind of comments are more in keeping with The Standard than here.

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  29. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    greenjacket, simply pointing out that making an idiotic statement makes one look like an idiot is not a “personal attack”, it is fair comment.

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  30. marynicolehicks (24 comments) says:

    About time they started ticketing 24 / 7. Someone blocks my driveway at 3am most nights. I am on call at night. I can not wait hours for them to move their car. The only solution is to ticket them every night so they know they will not get away with it. I should not have to complain every night. Wellington sounds like they have done the right thing.

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  31. peterwn (3,160 comments) says:

    It is not Celia’s ‘fault’. As Mayor she has about as much power as Sampson with a crewcut and will be out on her ear next time round (she and Annette King may end up splitting the ‘left’ vote). Her train-set is already dead in the water – it will not happen. Enforcement was about the same as under the previous Mayor and will be no different under the next Mayor whoever it is.

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  32. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    People are choosing to see all ticketing as a particular type, imo there is good ticketing and frustrating ticketing.

    Tickets most of us I think would cheer is illegal parking such as over fire hydrants, loading zones, driveways. Unwarranted cars, and over time limit at retail periods.

    Ticketing which I find frustrating is over limit when it is over priced, not beneficial, and difficult to comply. Marginally technically illegal, and for unregistered cars.

    Our parking systems appear to me to be deliberately hard to manage to ensure a high level of non compliance and therefore ticketing revenue. The headline price in wgtn is $4 per hour I think, maybe more. In practise it works out to about $8 per hour because it is impossible to pay for the time you use, you must over pay and there will be no change.

    Ticketing for unwarranted cars is fine because they are supposedly not fit to drive (although I approve of the Nats ideas to remove some of the sting from warranting). But registration is simply an annual fee you owe the Ministry. This form of late fee collection where you get a $200 fee every time you are spotted is inappropriate as a late payment fee and leads to penalty interest rates that would be illegal for loan sharks to apply.

    Parking needs to move to some kind of no effort electronic sensing system where no action need be taken by the driver every trip, where the fees are transferable between parks and you pay per minute at a staggered rate say $1 over first hour, $2 over second etc.

    The fees and turnover of cars idea do not need to be enforced as severly as they are as shown by free mall car parking which does not suffer from over stayers hurting retail business. I always include parking into my retail purchases and it drives me to online shopping for almost every thing I used to go to the central city to shop for, when you add in $10 of parking and and hour of time to the price difference it is hard for bricks and mortar to come out on top now.

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  33. tamati (69 comments) says:

    I have twice been ticketed on my quiet residential street for expired registration. Very frustrating as I often only use my car once or twice a month (pretty much cycle everywhere), and was registered when I parked it. It simply expired over the time when it was parked.

    I have complained to Auckland Transport, informing them that legislation states that only ‘operation’ of a unregistered motor vehicle is a offence, but AT don’t seems to see it that way!

    In the end I payed up. My time is worth more to me than a silly fight over $200.

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  34. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    That also frustrates me tamati but we do have a wierd attitude to suburban roading.

    We neglect to build the full property as we rely on the council to provide us land to store our vehicles?

    If we had appropriate land prices by eliminating zoning, most properties should have proper driveways and garages with parking for guests.

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  35. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Privatisation of civic responsibility – no thanks.

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  36. GazzaW (30 comments) says:

    $200 would have gone a long way towards paying for twelve months registration fees Tamati plus save you a lot of counterproductive aggro.

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  37. hane (63 comments) says:

    LOL at the RWNJs who think they can park anywhere they want for free. What you’re looking for is Queensgate and it’s out in the Hutt so bugger off there with your entitlement issues please.

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  38. rwoodnz (9 comments) says:

    The issue here would appear to be the law itself. I wonder if it would work to have it that you only get a ticket when there is no parking space for two cars on either side of you (on top of the other requirements). The wardens could very easily take such photo evidence to support such a ticketing regime. Thoughts?

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  39. Chinarugby (84 comments) says:

    Living in the centre of Auckland City its really good to be able to use loading zones when moving apartment stuff (quietly!) late at night early morning for the 25 000 or so CBD residents. Its almost impossible to do so during the day as the traffic and pedestrians are so numerous and loading zones are heavily used.

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  40. seanmaitland (455 comments) says:

    @Luke Mutton – from reading your personal attacks on here, you’re the one who comes off looking like a sad, little man.

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  41. rouppe (916 comments) says:

    Just to be devils advocate…

    Most comments are comparing the ticketing at 2am and 4am with how long it is after midnight.

    Another way to think of it is trying to get people to think about what happens the next morning. I’ve tried to drive down a clearway at 7am on a Saturday morning in the past, the traffic hasn’t been really heavy, but still occupies both lanes, and there’s a car parked on the clearway. This forces the left lane to have to merge briefly, and very quickly turns the road into a blocked mess.

    All because of one car, from someone who is probably sleeping off a drinking session, or forgot where they parked the car.

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