General Debate 17 September 2012

September 17th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    Carlos’ Prison Refrorm For Violent Thugs

    1. No TV
    2. Breaking rocks and other hard labour to whittle down their energy for violence.
    3. No weights and gyms to get these guys down to a size guards can manage.
    4. Laser removal of all tattoos.
    5. No computer or internet unless in a class environment
    6. No phone calls
    7. All the books they want
    8. Play baroque music in the prison during the day when they are out of their cells. Seems to reduce the incidence of violent behavior.
    9. Reward good behavior with a movies, documentaries, yoga and meditation. Anything to calm them down.
    10. Smaller portioned meals.

    If the violent prisoners do well in this system for the allotted punishement phase, then they move onto a more rehabilitative stage where literacy and other programs are provided and hard labour is reduced in hours.

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  2. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    Jury duty today. Never done it before. I need to dress like a teacher so I dont freak them out :-)

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  3. Viking2 (11,346 comments) says:

    King’s spokesman calls Key ‘culturally ignorant’

    Tuku Morgan replies to PM’s dismissal of Maori ownership.

    Rhetoric around Maori water claims stepped up yesterday with leading Kingitanga spokesman Tuku Morgan calling Prime Minister John Key “culturally ignorant”.

    MMM, well any bets Morgan is another Love?

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  4. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    the Jury system is way past its use-by date.

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  5. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    Whoever said that the Police were a humourless lot? This police offer’s response to a question about police harassment in an absolute hoot!

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/the-laughing-policeman.html

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  6. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    Tuku lives in a suite on the Gravy Train so why wouldnt he come out against a statememnt that could impact his lavish lifestyle?

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  7. slijmbal (1,231 comments) says:

    did jury duty one and only one time. Amazingly inefficient process – waste of a week of my life. Never again until better organised.

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  8. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Made for each other? http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8533870/casino-plan-for-wellington-railway-station

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  9. Elaycee (4,351 comments) says:

    @KS – it appears that the real authors of this ‘humour’ are not really the NZ police but rather someone who penned the story for a Newsletter under the name of the New York Port Authority Police sometime in 2011.

    Besides, can you really imagine a Sgt from Palmerston North being able to string this together?

    Nah – of course not…..

    http://www.signal8-2.com/82west.htm

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  10. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    And yet, this woman refuses to see it. The blind leading the blind.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/ambassador-susan-rice-libya-attack-not-premeditated/

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  11. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Sometime over the weekend , someone on GD asked if any party had an anti islam policy. I am not sure re NZFirsts policies on this but Winston spoke out against muslim immigration years ago if not decades ago. He was involved in bringing to public notice , the actions of the crazy Somalian woman who later hijacked a plane. He intervened to stop her bringing in a lot of unrelated people from Somalia whom she claimed were close relations. His warnings about this woman were more than valid.

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  12. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    Bernard Hickey suggestts that as the world’s economic superpowers are printing money like there’s no tomorrow then New Zealand should do the same to save manufacturing sector jobs.

    I think there’s a flaw in his reasoning – we could print money, but we can’t print aluminium, coal or newsprint markets.

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  13. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    New Zealand doesn’t need Islam. It’s one more divisive and violent ideology to create problems. Any illusions that Muslims will behave better in our part of the world went out the window with the weekend protests in Sydney. They were not just an extreme few.

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  14. Chuck Bird (4,825 comments) says:

    “Jury duty today. Never done it before. I need to dress like a teacher so I dont freak them out ”

    Depends if you want to get challenged. If you dress up well.

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  15. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    I agree with you, Carlos. NZ does not need a hateful, violent and backward-looking cult like Islam.

    Some followers of the criminal “religion of peace” will always hate the West, even if they themselves have left their underdeveloped countries of origin and emigrated to this part of the world.

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  16. iMP (2,352 comments) says:

    ATTN ARTs BUFFS, any interested in iconographic NZ artist Don Binney who died unexpectedly on Friday, Stuff Nation has a tribute:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/7688790/Kiwi-great-Don-Binney-remembered

    CoNZervative is also running a daily tribute with a painting each day, over the next week, as a précis on his career.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/don-binney-tribute-17-a-b52-on-the-exclusive-brethren

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  17. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    thank god we dont have the muslim problem that aussie have.

    Dime always found the muslims born in australia were the worst.

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  18. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Yes Carlos..even tho these events were horrendous, hopefully they have woken some people up..In Aussie , Abbot is calling for a Hizb ut Tahrir British preacher’s visa to be revoked..Taji Mustafa..Gillard is refusing to do so..The org is responsible for so much of the madness in Britain..It was allowed to flourish in their Unis..If it is here , it will be the Unis..
    I was very surprised to read a few yrs back of its presence in Aussie..After the British experience , any country would be nuts to let this org flourish. Google it if you have time.
    Is it in NZ?

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  19. hj (6,813 comments) says:

    The United States is thought to operate at an EROI for all energy sources of about 40 to 1. It is hard to imagine running the country entirely on fuels such as oil from tar sands which has an EROI between 5.2 and 5.8 to 1. For oil shale there is little to go on since there are no commercial-scale operations. But available estimates tell us something about why this resource has never been successfully commercialized. Reported EROI ratios are between 1.5 to 1 and 4 to 1. Compare this to between 12 to 1 and 18 to 1 for oil imported into the United States.
    http://resourceinsights.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/tar-sands-oil-shale-and-heavy-oil-why.html

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  20. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    Plenty of Muslims in this country, and yet they don’t seem to cause a disproportionate number of social problems… Maybe that has something to do with our mainly tolerant, liberal society.

    Of course, some would like to have it otherwise. Fools.

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  21. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Dime – wake up.
    Of course we have a muslim problem.

    In one hamilton school they had to set up separate exits for muslims students because they were such trouble – they didnt take any notice of female teachers and they got the hurry up from maori students.
    They live in the same area of each other and you should take a drive thru – looks like some of those areas you see on TV – libya or syria back streets. Shops all with shutters and rubbish all over the place.

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  22. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Awful lot of killings on the front page of the Herald for a mainly tolerant liberal society.

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  23. dime (9,799 comments) says:

    barry – didnt know that. bummer.

    try going to liverpool and parramatta in sydney though. its freakin awful. i still remember cars being set on fire there to celebrate 9/11.

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  24. hmmokrightitis (1,582 comments) says:

    Pete, B Hickey has the credentials to be commenting on economic policy. Best Tui ad line EVER.

    The man is an utter twazzock. I still goad him over his “40% drop in house values” statements of a few years back. He literally has no idea, and cobbles together his work based on press releases from o/seas. In fact, I would go so far as to say he probably frequents that dreadful PhilU’s ‘website’ for his knowledge.

    His woeful column on the RBank Gov last week was some of the most toe curling bum sucking Ive read in like forever. He is an embarrasment.

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  25. Griff (7,262 comments) says:

    hj
    That interesting it is worth keeping a more sceptical view of the present estimates of oil reserves
    We have lots of coal it can be used to run our transport systems in the future

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  26. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    On oil prices: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/16/us-iran-oil-prices-idUSBRE88F0EQ20120916

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  27. Pete George (23,425 comments) says:

    An NZ Herald editorial is as scathing as the judge in the recent high court trial challenging the NIWA temperature record.

    And it says:

    Justice Venning’s judgment was a strong riposte to the climate sceptics’ ongoing claims of a conspiracy by scientists.

    And it questioned the non-expertise of claimants:

    The coalition was also effectively branded as amateurish. The evidence of one coalition member was dismissed in large part by Justice Venning because “he has no applicable qualifications. His interest in the area does not sufficiently qualify him as an expert”.

    This represented a refreshing approach from Justice Venning. Too often, the claims of unqualified people have been able to cast doubt on the view of the majority of active climate scientists who are certain human industry is contributing to global warming.

    Being unqualified, maybe I shouldn’t say any more.

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  28. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    An oxymoronic heading, but let’s hope Neville stands his ground (for once): http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8533916/key-stands-firm-on-water-rights

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  29. Viking2 (11,346 comments) says:

    Welcome to Stuff The Nation
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    Last updated 05:00 17/09/2012

    Today we launch an important and exciting new part of Stuff. We’re calling it Stuff Nation.

    The idea for Stuff Nation was born out of a desire to bring our readers much closer together, to form a more tangible community from those of you who already love to engage with Stuff’s content, and to give you opportunities to contribute your views and news in a much more meaningful way.

    You will also be able to submit material to us to be published on Stuff under the Stuff Nation masthead, or even in the main part of Stuff alongside our journalists’ stories, photos and video.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blogs/from-the-newsroom/7677775/Welcome-to-Stuff-Nation

    So, let us know what you think, either by commenting below or emailing us at stuffnation@stuff.co.nz. If you want to take a tour around the new features, check out this video. Join up and take a look around. We have lots more features to roll out for Stuff Nation in coming weeks and months and we are really eager to hear about potential newsroom assignments you’d be keen to take.

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  30. Viking2 (11,346 comments) says:

    Hey pete, many an educated idiot in this world including many in the legal profession.

    Few legal people are qualified to comment on statistics.

    Eventually of course the truth will prevail despite Niwa and Venning.

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  31. Griff (7,262 comments) says:

    The really funny thing is PG after first demanding a review of the temperature series then an independent outside review and now a court case the coalition is still saying the series is fraudulent. The changes in temperature found in the series is backed by changes in our natural landscape.

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  32. Brian Smaller (4,037 comments) says:

    Did you see all the Al Queda flags flying at the Sydney jihad?

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  33. Carlos (687 comments) says:

    @ Scott Chris

    It’s a numbers and time game. Just wait and see that NZ won’t be any different from the other liberal countries like Sweden where Muslims cause problems.

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  34. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    Being unqualified, maybe I shouldn’t say any more.

    Depends on the context. In the end you can say what you like but if you’re invited to a party with the NZSO, I suggest you leave your banjo at home.

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  35. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    Awful lot of killings on the front page of the Herald for a mainly tolerant liberal society.

    Not really. And I was referring to society as a whole, not its individuals. Hellova lota wankers out there too but the systems they operate under are essentially tolerant and liberal relative to the rest of the world and relative to history.

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  36. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Scott, do you fancy a one-way ticket to cosmopolitan Kabul, tolerant Teheran, peaceful Sana or modern Mogadishu?

    Give it a go. You’ll find yourself surrounded by civilised, loving, and urbane citizens.

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  37. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (4,485) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Plenty of Muslims in this country, and yet they don’t seem to cause a disproportionate number of social problems… Maybe that has something to do with our mainly tolerant, liberal society.

    Of course, some would like to have it otherwise. Fools.

    Why would they cause a disproportionate number of social problems? That’s not the issue. The issue is freedom of speech and the freedom to criticize their religion without restraint and without fear that they will turn violent in response. We have witnessed first hand hundreds (if not thousands) of Muslims in New Zealand protest the Mohammed cartoons with many of the protesters displaying thinly veiled threats of violence and calling for an end to our freedom to have an opinion they find offensive.

    Given that the Islamic community is not that big in Auckland, given that Islamic nations around the world impose their oppressive religion by law and do not tolerate freedom of expression, I think that is pretty conclusive evidence that the vast majority of mainstream Muslims are intolerant of free expression and believe their religion should be above criticism and denigration.

    They should stay in their own crappy countries if that is what they want.

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  38. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7689298/Google-won-t-pull-Mohammad-clip-for-White-House

    Google rejected a request by the White House on Friday to reconsider its decision to keep online a controversial YouTube movie clip that has ignited anti-American protests in the Middle East.

    Now we have the President of the United States attempting to use extrajudicial means to silence the opinions of a US citizen. So much for his oath to defend and uphold the constitution of the United States which I was under the impression included the 1st amendment.

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  39. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Now we have the President of the United States attempting to use extrajudicial means to silence the opinions of a US citizen.

    The accidental president, the incompetent Kenyan, is a disgrace to the civilised world.
    His bowing to and policies of appeasement towards violent Muslim tyrants are deplorable.

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  40. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    When taking office, the President does not swear to create jobs. He does not swear to “grow the economy.” He does not swear to institute “fairness.” The only oath the President takes is this one:

    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    By sending — literally — brownshirted enforcers to engage in — literally — a midnight knock at the door of a man for the non-crime of embarrassing the President of the United States and his administration, President Obama violated that oath. You can try to pretty this up (It’s just about possible probation violations! Sure.), or make excuses or draw distinctions, but that’s what’s happened. It is a betrayal of his duties as President, and a disgrace.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/150781/

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  41. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    At least since the end of the Cold War, the United States has drifted along without anything resembling a coherent or sustained conversation about foreign policy, much less working to hash out a consensus position that reflects our body politic. In the 1990s, we witnessed Bill Clinton lurching from action to action. He ordered 25 major troop deployments over eight years, twice as many as Ronald Reagan. George W. Bush entered office promising a “humble” foreign policy that repudiated “nation building” and then embraced a disastrous “region building” approach from which we have yet to extricate ourselves. Barack Obama tripled troops in Afghanistan without bothering to clarify our mission there and unilaterally decided to drop bombs in Libya. Congress has acted the role of helpless bystander in foreign policy for going on the last 20 years at least (for god’s sake, far more members supported the second invasion of Iraq than the first!).

    The predictable result is a foreign policy that is completely unpredictable and unprincipled. There are simply no clear rules governing when and how America will act militarily, what we stand for, and what we stand against. Or, as Obama’s bizarre phrasing of our relationship with non-enemy Egypt (which receives billions of dollars in aid from us), even who are allies are.

    http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/16/us-foreign-policy-not-to-blame-for-anyth

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  42. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Manolo (7,446) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Now we have the President of the United States attempting to use extrajudicial means to silence the opinions of a US citizen.

    The accidental president, the incompetent Kenyan, is a disgrace to the civilised world.
    His bowing to and policies of appeasement towards violent Muslim tyrants are deplorable.

    Unfortunately Obama is a reflection of popular attitudes towards free expression. Just take our own country where we have plenty of regulation of political advertisements with no impetus to change it.

    A billionaire can’t run as many television advertisements as he wants advocating for his preferred political party because people are worried that others might start agreeing with the billionaire and for some reason that’s not allowed. It’s the same thing. Neither the billionaire’s political ad or the film “Innocence of Muslims” are harmful. But nevertheless people think they have the right to try and regulate and control the flow of information to suit their own purposes.

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  43. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    That’s not the issue. The issue is freedom of speech and the freedom to criticize their religion without restraint and without fear that they will turn violent in response.

    Weihana, I wouldn’t attend a hui and bandy the word nigger around. That’s just the way it is.

    So we can’t insult Mohammed in public. Big deal. ~I feel so constrained. ~ Perhaps you’ve been paying too much heed to such fanatical social commentators as the rabid Pat Condell. Guy needs a bullet. (irony intended – kinda)

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  44. Colville (2,248 comments) says:

    Back from jury duty, got binned by defence counsel.
    Of the 12 jury selected and sworn only one was a white upper middle class male and he had a typical greenie/lefty beard!
    Defence binned guys (and one well dressed profesional woman) and the crown binned women. 7 women to 5 guys selected.

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  45. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (4,486) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 11:58 am

    That’s not the issue. The issue is freedom of speech and the freedom to criticize their religion without restraint and without fear that they will turn violent in response.

    Weihana, I wouldn’t attend a hui and bandy the word nigger around. That’s just the way it is.

    So we can’t insult Mohammed in public. Big deal. ~I feel so constrained. ~ Perhaps you’ve been paying too much heed to such fanatical social commentators as the rabid Pat Condell. Guy needs a bullet. (irony intended)

    Yes it is a big deal. If you won’t defend freedom of speech for the worst, the most disgusting, and the most offensive forms of speech then you do not defend it at all. Freedom to believe and advocate for only those ideas which are tolerable to society is no freedom at all.

    This isn’t about someone who goes out of their way to insult someone to their face in a manner that is likely to produce a confrontation. We all know that freedom of expression does not remove the need for civility. But this is about a man who uploaded a video to the internet, this is not a question of civility. Muslims are free to go about their lives without reference to this video.

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  46. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Weihana it seems your memory has problems, Reagan sent Marines to Lebanon in the eighties who did not bother too much with security, ie allowing a truck bomb to drive real close so the bomb killed 250 Marines.
    And Reagan did what next, well he just pulled the Marines out.

    You seem to be saying that Obama is very poor, are you suggesting all the American dead and wounded under Bush’s watch in Iraq was worthwhile ?

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  47. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori (2,265) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    Weihana it seems your memory has problems, Reagan sent Marines to Lebanon in the eighties who did not bother too much with security, ie allowing a truck bomb to drive real close so the bomb killed 250 Marines.
    And Reagan did what next, well he just pulled the Marines out.

    You seem to be saying that Obama is very poor, are you suggesting all the American dead and wounded under Bush’s watch in Iraq was worthwhile ?

    Why does this have to be partisan? Why if I criticize Obama must I therefore love Bush or Reagan?

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  48. wat dabney (3,755 comments) says:

    So we can’t insult Mohammed in public. Big deal. ~I feel so constrained. ~

    Yay. We can always rely on Scott to say the most ignorant things. His argument is that since he personally isn’t affected by this particular attack on freedom then it doesn’t matter.

    …Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me…

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  49. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    LET’S SEE IF THIS COMMENT GETS PUBLISHED ON THE NBR?

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-backs-banks-over-dotcom-donations-ck-128455#comment-582350

    MY COMMENT:

    Gosh!

    Perhaps Prime Minister John Key (MP for Helensville) would be prepared to present the following petition to the House – in order to get this sloppy local electoral law fixed?

    (That’s if John Banks doesn’t? :)

    “That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into the findings of the Police investigation into the allegations that the Hon. John Archibald Banks, CNZM QSO, submitted a false donation return in respect to the Auckland Council Mayoral election 2010 – that it was not unlawful for the Hon. John Archibald Banks, CNZM QSO to sign and transmit his candidate’s declaration of expenses without first personally checking and verifying that the information provided (by another party) was accurate.”

    errr…… I was a complainant, who alleged John Banks committed electoral fraud, and I an NOT a Labour Party member?

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

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  50. Brian Smaller (4,037 comments) says:

    Scott Chris – You might as well stretch your neck out now for the Jihadi sword with that belief.

    The point is that it is ANY reference to islam by kaffirs that causes the Muslim mob to go berserk. Saying things about Mohammed in private wont save anyone.

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  51. James Stephenson (2,137 comments) says:

    Perhaps you’ve been paying too much heed to such fanatical social commentators as the rabid Pat Condell. Guy needs a bullet.

    Guy needs a bigger audience, consistently the straight-talkingest person in Britain, and strangely overlooked by butt-hurt Christians when they bleat about “atheists never daring to criticise islam”…

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  52. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    I suspect Neville is backing the wrong horse (or is it a donkey?, Banks) this time around.

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  53. James Stephenson (2,137 comments) says:

    @Manolo – he’s stuck because he needs to be able to blame unpopular “right wing” policies on ACT…if he caves to pressure on Banks then he’s going to have to spend his own political capital on Charter Schools for instance.

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  54. kowtow (8,153 comments) says:

    This morning on TV3 Smalley had a Professor Patman of Otago on to “discuss” the latest offense that has been caused to the musselmen.

    It turned almost immediately into how that Romney fellow has “spun” it to his advantage,but not to worry our international expert reassures us that the Great One Obama will put things right with the barbarians. Where do they get these “experts” from?

    Meanwhile back at that other centre of Islamic enlightenment ,goodwill ,freedom and peace a renewed fatwa for silly bugger Salman Rushdie. How much attention will the world’s compliant MSM give this one?
    Not as much as they gave old Benedict when he upset and outraged the Muzzies with his “notorious” Regensburg address.

    I love that word “notorious”. The media use it as a symbol of disapproval. It is regularly applied to Brash’s “notorious” Orewa speech.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9546513/Iran-resurrects-Salman-Rushdie-threat.html

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  55. redeye (638 comments) says:

    I’m wondering if Chi magazine would have been as keen to publish topless pictures of one of some Grand Imam’s wife?

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  56. tom hunter (4,671 comments) says:

    Brutal tweet from “Iowahawk”

    “December 7, 1941: FDR flies to Hollywood for fundraiser at Clark Gable’s house, says ‘Obviously, we are all heartbroken’ over Pearl Harbor.”

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  57. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    Weihana, I’ll put it another way – only an idiot sticks his dick in an ant’s nest. Whether you insult someone directly or indirectly makes little difference to me. Fact is, we don’t have perfect freedom of speech because of the harm that some speech can cause. You can rail all you like about how primitive and stupid the Islamic religion is, but that ain’t gonna change anything. The one thing you can do is show a little respect for their feelings no matter how irrational they may be – in other words, tolerate their foibles (which don’t include such things as the subjection of women). End result, less harm.

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  58. kowtow (8,153 comments) says:

    I am never surprised that when offense is given to any number of identifiable minorities,religions ,races genders whatevers there is no shortage of apologists ,generally from the left.

    When ever the offense is given to our servicemen,traitional religions ,western values those same are conspicuously absent.

    Virgin in the condom at Te crapa. That’s OK. Does anyone seriously and honestly believe they’d have displayed Moh’s Dick in an Ant hill?

    Goose gander.

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  59. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Weihana a touch of balance would be good, reading conservative sites in the USA it seems they have managed to convince the low information voters who cling to their godly fairy tale books along with a firearm that invading Afghanistan was a Obama order when he was a state senator.

    Now that prick knew Americans would die from his actions but did not give a fuck, he deserves to meet a Hellfire missiles on a lonely road.
    Or do you believe he did the right thing in putting that video out ?

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  60. emmess (1,418 comments) says:

    Fact is, we don’t have perfect freedom of speech because of the harm that some speech can cause.

    Other than incitement to violence free speech is not negotiable, no if’s, no buts.
    In your comment before you incited violence, the crappy trailer did not.

    as the rabid Pat Condell. Guy needs a bullet. (irony intended – kinda)

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  61. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (4,487) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Weihana, I’ll put it another way – only an idiot sticks his dick in an ant’s nest. Whether you insult someone directly or indirectly makes little difference to me. Fact is, we don’t have perfect freedom of speech because of the harm that some speech can cause.

    The speech in question does not cause harm.

    You can rail all you like about how primitive and stupid the Islamic religion is, but that ain’t gonna change anything. The one thing you can do is show a little respect for their feelings no matter how irrational they may be – in other words, tolerate their foibles (which don’t include such things as the subjection of women). End result, less harm.

    Fuck their feelings. I AM tolerant of them. I don’t ask them to give anything up. I ask them to LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE. You on the other hand are quite happy to kowtow to their unreasonable demands and to have your life dictated to because you are afraid.

    It doesn’t matter whether you want to make such a video or want to criticize or insult them. The fact is that it is YOUR RIGHT to decide not theirs.

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  62. Brian Smaller (4,037 comments) says:

    @Weihana. Agreed.

    Scott Chris

    “in other words, tolerate their foibles (which don’t include such things as the subjection of women). End result, less harm.”

    You have just given up EVERY bit of freedom you had. Their demands will get more and more onerous. You are the perfect example of a western dhimmi.

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  63. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori (2,266) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Weihana a touch of balance would be good, reading conservative sites in the USA it seems they have managed to convince the low information voters who cling to their godly fairy tale books along with a firearm that invading Afghanistan was a Obama order when he was a state senator.

    Nowhere have I said that Obama invaded Afghanistan. Try responding to me instead of some imaginary straw man. I’m generally a supporter of Obama but this is disgraceful.

    I may not vote for Romney, but I don’t see myself turning out for Obama and turnout is key for Obama’s chances at re-election especially given that polling of likely voters is skewed by 2008 (an event unlikely to repeat itself).

    Now that prick knew Americans would die from his actions but did not give a fuck, he deserves to meet a Hellfire missiles on a lonely road.
    Or do you believe he did the right thing in putting that video out ?

    No one died from his actions. He uploaded a video. Are you people fucking retarded? Do you think videos kill people? You must use videos in a very unusual manner.

    People died because Muslims, as usual, got violent. That is the ONLY reason they died.

    It is not my place to pass judgment on whether this video should have been uploaded. Whether or not I agree or disagree with its content has no bearing on whether it should or should not have been posted. That is for the author to decide as it is his inalienable right to do so.

    I support everyone’s right to free speech whether it be Nakoula Basseley, Terry Jones, the KKK, NAMBLA, Larry Flynt…. and even Muslims.

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  64. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (4,487) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    …tolerate their foibles (which don’t include such things as the subjection of women)…

    Why doesn’t it include the subjugation of women? Or the execution of homosexuals for that matter.

    The argument you have put forth is a pragmatic one, i.e. don’t provoke them. By that logic why should I give a fuck about Muslim women? Or homosexuals? Out of sight, out of mind. If I try to dictate to Muslim nations how they should run their country it’s not going to get me anything and all it’s likely to do is provoke them. So I should just ignore their rights as well surely.

    Seems to me you are just picking and choosing the principles you care to fight for and it seems freedom of speech is a principle way down on your list. Unfortunate really since I would argue that it is only through free expression that we have been able to progress to the liberal state of affairs we currently enjoy. Barely a couple of decades ago homosexuality was criminal in this country. Yet through freedom of thought and open discussion we have been able to argue for change and slowly but surely that change has occurred through nothing more than the strength of argument. Yet you so casually discard the principle upon which any change in possible for nothing more than your fear of a reaction.

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  65. my 2 cents (1,091 comments) says:

    Sorry Chris but Brian is correct you are an idiot and a danger to your children and ours.

    If you haven’t read the Koran through cover to cover shut up as you don’t know what guides the formation of Sharia, the legal, constitutional, sociological, social, psychological outworking of Islam.
    Which covers all of life, there is no separate secular and sacred.

    Please do so immediately.
    Start with a pad and pen and go to http://quranbrowser.com.
    Start at Sura 1 and read a paragraph.
    then write it down in your own words.
    Carry on for 20 mins.
    take a break and read through your own words.
    Do the same tomorrow.

    When you have finished you will understand how and why Sharia reads the way it does.
    Now you are ready to read The Sira.

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  66. my 2 cents (1,091 comments) says:

    “Yet through freedom of thought and open discussion we have been able to argue for change and slowly but surely that change has occurred through nothing more than the strength of argument. Yet you so casually discard the principle upon which any change in possible for nothing more than your fear of a reaction.”

    Wiehana
    That is utter rubbish. If you really do believe that statement you are stupid, sick or ideologically blind

    At least 50% of the reason is the fear of being denigrated , lose your job, marked down and all the other shit that comes from wankers whose idea of a civilised discussion is agree with me or we’ll fuck your life up so many ways you won’t believe. politely of course.

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  67. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Fine you follow the American path in believing free speech should be absolute even if some fuckwit screams out fire in a crowded theatre.
    There has been more IED strikes this weak in Afghanistan with the Taliban stating they are getting more volunteers to carry out suicide/IED strikes because of the video.

    Yet you would have no problem with another three bodies being shipped back to NZ for the sake of absolute free speech by some fuckwit putting a video up.

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  68. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    my 2 cents (1,036) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    That is utter rubbish. If you really do believe that statement you are stupid, sick or ideologically blind

    At least 50% of the reason is the fear of being denigrated , lose your job, marked down and all the other shit that comes from wankers whose idea of a civilised discussion is agree with me or we’ll fuck your life up so many ways you won’t believe. politely of course.

    I don’t agree with your position but lets assume it is true. It is only true if the “homosexual agenda” (as it is sometimes referred to) is in the ascendency and thus in a position to exert power over those who may disagree. Given that homosexuality was once illegal it necessarily follows that tolerance was not always popular. Thus the only means to change what was then the status quo was through the force of argument.

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  69. Dave Mann (1,200 comments) says:

    Muriel Newman is running an equal rights campaign to oppose the (further) imposition of racial inequality on the citizens of new Zealand:

    Number of people who have signed: 13968 Target: 20000

    “We, New Zealanders, having founded our society in the equality of comradeship, and living here at home in the land we have made, utterly oppose any laws which establish or promote racial distinction or division.

    There shall be one law for all:

    We refuse to accept any reference to the Treaty of Waitangi or its principles in any constitutional document.
    We require that such references be removed from all existing legislation.
    We require that race-based Parliamentary seats be abolished.
    We require that race-based representation on local bodies be abolished.
    We require that the Waitangi Tribunal, which has outlived any usefulness it may have had, be abolished.
    And we pledge ourselves to oppose and resist all those of whatever rank or degree who, whether by force or the devious processes of the law, attempt to impose the fetters of racial inequality on the free citizens of New Zealand.”

    If you agree with this, I would urge you to go to this link and digitally sign the petition here:

    http://www.nzcpr.com/petition_EqualRights.php

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  70. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori (2,267) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Fine you follow the American path in believing free speech should be absolute even if some fuckwit screams out fire in a crowded theatre.

    Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is not constitutionally protected speech. Indeed that example was used as a guideline for speech that is not protected. If you are going to criticize the United States 1st amendment then you should at least have a basic understanding which you clearly seem to lack.

    There has been more IED strikes this weak in Afghanistan with the Taliban stating they are getting more volunteers to carry out suicide/IED strikes because of the video.

    Yet you would have no problem with another three bodies being shipped back to NZ for the sake of absolute free speech by some fuckwit putting a video up.

    I wouldn’t have troops there to begin with, and if they are there already I would withdraw them immediately. If the success of your mission depends on what is uploaded to Youtube then your mission is idiotic, suicidal and a waste of time.

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  71. emmess (1,418 comments) says:

    Fine you follow the American path in believing free speech should be absolute even if some fuckwit screams out fire in a crowded theatre.

    No, most would agree there should be limits on shouting fire in a crowded theatre not saying stuff that might just piss off someone who is likely to shout fire in a crowded theatre.

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  72. Scott Chris (6,017 comments) says:

    Brian, I don’t consider not insulting their prophet an onerous demand. If, in the future my rights are infringed in any substantial way, I will push back.

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  73. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Weihana and that is the problem we do have troops there, you believe a video insulting a religion can do no harm, that is where we differ.
    Four Americans died in Libya more in Afghanistan yet you believe putting a video up that insults a religion is a wise/right move by a person.

    So how many casualties would it take before you said enough videos attacking a religion ?

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  74. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Whole thing reminds me of the episode of Boston Public where a kid gets expelled for writing a story about coming to school and shooting all of the bullies.

    They tell him he’s being expelled. He says, “Couldn’t you just write a story about expelling me?”

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  75. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Scott Chris (4,488) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    Brian, I don’t consider not insulting their prophet an onerous demand.

    It doesn’t matter how onerous (or not) the demand is. Free speech does not merely cover those opinions which are deemed acceptable to Muslims. If you do not believe in the freedom to advocate for any idea or opinion then you do not believe in freedom of speech at all.

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  76. Zapper (1,003 comments) says:

    Scott Chris and grumpyoldhori

    A kid gets beaten up at school for telling a bully to leave him alone.

    Do you believe it’s the kids’ fault or the bully’s fault that the kid was assaulted?

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  77. Brian Smaller (4,037 comments) says:

    @Grumpy – That video was posted six months ago. The religion of perpetual outrage will always find things to piss them off. And when people give an inch each time, soon there are no freedoms.

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  78. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Very true: http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/national-is-just-managing-retreat.html

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  79. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    grumpyoldhori (2,268) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Weihana and that is the problem we do have troops there, you believe a video insulting a religion can do no harm, that is where we differ.
    Four Americans died in Libya more in Afghanistan yet you believe putting a video up that insults a religion is a wise/right move by a person.

    So how many casualties would it take before you said enough videos attacking a religion ?

    And how many rapes will you tolerate before women are required to dress modestly and be accompanied by a male relative when out in public?

    Such is the stupidity of your question where you assume that a person who merely exercises their basic human rights is somehow responsible for provoking a violent response.

    In my view the only people responsible for violence are those who perpetuate it.

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  80. tom hunter (4,671 comments) says:

    So how many casualties would it take before you said enough videos attacking a religion ?

    Let’s hope there are no Christianist-type Breivik characters reading Grumpy’s comments.

    Whole thing reminds me …

    Grumpy and Scott remind me of a famous quote from George Bernard Shaw (also attributed to Churchill I see):

    GBS: Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?
    Actress: My goodness, Well, I’d certainly think about it.
    GBS: Would you sleep with me for a pound?
    Actress: Certainly not! What kind of woman do you think I am?!
    GBS: Madam, we’ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.

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  81. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    I don’t agree with posting videos that insult others or their religion but I agree with their right to! I agree that this might offend people and they have the right to be offended and express that right through speech; they also have the right to ignore it! They do not have the right to kill or injure people because of what they said or portrayed or as in this case jsut because they are American; that is disgusting and I condemn that!

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  82. adaman (41 comments) says:

    Don’t know how many of you have seen this Global Warming Doco but it’s decent. It’s called “The Great Global Warming Swindle”. It is about 1hr 15min.

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  83. chiz (1,132 comments) says:

    Boy Scouts of America to release decades of records on child abuse.

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  84. Brian Smaller (4,037 comments) says:

    @b1gdaddynz – I think the chances of the attacks on the US embassies having happened because of a Youtube vid are pretty remote. One of the jihadi groups had already put out a video saying that the attacks were in response to a drone attack wasting some of their leadership. It was pre-organised and the local mosques around the world would have been put on alert to “protest”. These guys are very well organised.

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  85. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    STILL trying to get my considered opinion published……………

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-backs-banks-over-dotcom-donations-ck-128455#comment-582350

    THIS time?

    “As the PM has said, this whole issue is a political “beat up” by Labour, because John Banks winning Epsom kept national in power, and saved us all from a lunatic left wing Labour/Greens government.”

    (Comment made by Lindsay Fergusson – former NZ Business Roundtable heavyweight)

    Actually Lindsay – I was one of those who made an official complaint to the Police alleging electoral fraud against John Banks – and I am not a member of the Labour Party.

    As you know – I’m an ‘anti-corruption’ campaigner – who stood against Banks in Epsom to help draw attention to the FACT that ‘one for all’ had yet to apply to the current (and former) Leaders of the ACT Party, regarding their signing Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme Registered Prospectuses which contained untrue statements and were never charged (by either the former Securities Commission, the Finance Markets Authority (FMA), the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) or the NZ Police.

    Why is that, do you think Lindsay?

    How is John Banks ‘fit for duty’?

    Could it be that this minority National Government has only 59 out of 121 MPs and is dependent upon the pivotal vote of ‘dodgy’ John Banks?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

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  86. Grendel (991 comments) says:

    is there any reason the rest of us have to suffer over your obsession with John Banks?

    nothing you have posted today is new, it is all stuff you have posted adnauseum before.

    noone here cares that another forum cannot be arsed posting your rantings over and over again, they are not considered. they are just batshit insane.

    you have been told why banks and brash were not charged over huljich, over and over and over again.

    the fact is you are not an anti corruption campaigner, you are just obsessed with banks. if you were all about anti corruption you might have mentioned any other corruption once. i am sure you can find all sorts in the unions, like those unions who dont pay their staffs kiwisaver contributions so they can campaign for Mana. or how about the corrupt groups that camp illegally and steal water all the while costing ratepayers thousands of dollars as well as tax payers who are paying for the benefits of most of those people who are expected to be looking for work.

    but you just keep obsessing about John Banks.

    i would hate to see the scrap book this woman clearly has about john banks. scarier than the dead cat on her head i imagine.

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  87. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Grendel

    None of your examples are cabinet ministers.

    I hope Penny keeps it up, just as I was happy to see Peters outed as a liar, forcing Helen Clarke into a similarly compromised stance of keeping him on in spite of clear evidence. That cost labout more than a few votes, I’m sure.

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  88. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    25% vote against fracking in NZ is a healthy sign considering the political ideology of most of those who comment in this blog.

    The main point against fracking, in my humble opinion, is that it is an unconventional hydrocarbon source and just the exploitation of the conventional sources will be enough to cause huge amounts of distress and suffering to hundreds of million of people, not to mention fast tracking the extinction of many, many other species.

    But here is good report of the state of the fracking world in the US:

    http://www.ewg.org/gas-drilling-and-fracking

    And this on fracking-related earthquakes:

    http://www.ewg.org/analysis/usgs-recent-earthquakes-almost-certainly-manmade

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  89. Griff (7,262 comments) says:

    Luc did you read hj’s link?
    hj (2,937) Says:
    September 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am

    http://resourceinsights.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/tar-sands-oil-shale-and-heavy-oil-why.html

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  90. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    25% vote against fracking in NZ is a healthy sign considering the political ideology of most of those who comment in this blog.

    25% vote against a practise that has been in use in NZ for 20-odd years with no evidence of ill effect and you think that is a good thing Luc??

    By the way, ‘fracking’ is a process not ‘hydrocarbon source’.

    You must really be one cheerful chap Luc.

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  91. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Why does the media glorify these deaths? Death ain’t all that sexy and glamourous (ask anybody who scoops up bodies)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/7691350/Pregnant-base-jumper-dies

    “She died doing what she loved” etc etc
    “When she realised her chute wouldn’t open she spread her arms” (Oh how romantic and peaceful…fucking bullshit!)

    So my mate who smoked himself to death “died doing what he loved”. Why don’t the media do a piece on how glamourous the cancer ward is?

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  92. Zapper (1,003 comments) says:

    37, she’s in pretty good shape. Or was.

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  93. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers :)

    Joining the National Day of Action Against Welfare Reforms

    Friday, October 5, 2012
    12:00pm until 3:30pm in UTC+13
    Henderson Square, WINZ Henderson, Bennett’s Office
    This is a page to co-ordinate the Auckland Action/s.
    Proposed Plan:
    12.00: Rally Henderson Square , Catherine St, near G.N.Rd
    12.30: March to Henderson WINZ.
    1pm: Protest Henderson WINZ, 36 Sel Peacock Drive.
    2pm: March to Paula Bennett’s office.
    2.30: Protest Bennett’s Office, 429 Great North Rd

    http://againstwelfarereforms.wordpress.com/
    Please share and invite!!

    Note: It is not the intention to occupy the WINZ offices, as this will lead to serious issues with tresspass notices being issued. It is also not the intention to interfere with staff going about their daily work. We are protesting the system, the culture of WINZ, and government policy. We are not protesting the individual workers – harrassment of WINZ employees is NOT condoned by the organisers of National Day of Action.

    Calling on academics, parents, and our community to unite.

    Vulnerable parents, and vulnerable communities create vulnerable children.

    The Government has been rolling out policy it says will help curve child poverty and change NZ shocking child abuse rates. However, punitive measures are attacking the poor and putting chi
    ldren at risk.

    “The Government is attacking beneficiaries with the guise of protecting children, but stripping parents and our communities of what’s left of any supportive foundations is harming those we should be fighting to protect. Parenting is not a privilege of the rich. We are heading down a dark path where sole parents are being victimised and abused by the state, instead of supported and respected as our most important asset in stopping abuse against children in this country. It’s time our society stopped letting our Government shape our ideology, and had a real discussion about the direction we are heading. In order to change the abuse our children suffer, we must start to value parenting as an important role in society.”

    “Beneficiaries are an easy target for Governments to attack, because beneficiaries are in hard times, struggling to survive and make the best out of a hard situation, so organising any form of united front against such attacks is hard work. Picking on sole parents is easy to do, but at what cost?

    The Government now states they are slashing benefits if parents don’t comply with the new regime. If a parent who is struggling on a benefit gets their benefit cut 50%, who is being punished?

    The children.

    It’s the children who will be going hungry. This is the reality! Children will and are suffering from this Government’s punitive measures.

    Parents must unite and draw support from each other, to tell this Government that “we won’t let them attack our children any longer.”
    Sole parents are not irresponsible timewasters, who can be replaced by institutional day-care centres. Parents are our children’s first and most important teachers. Sole parent are the parents who have taken on the responsibility of raising the child, and have dedicated themselves to this important task. We don’t see this Government chasing up the parent who is not financially supporting the parent who is caring for the child. No, we see women being told they need contraceptives, and to get back to work.

    Parenting is work. It’s the most important work in this country.
    We have the research that shows day-care is not a substitute for good parenting. We can’t let this Government treat children like a disposable commodity anymore. Children are our Toanga, and we dam well need to protect them.

    There were some great academics contributing to the Green Paper on Vulnerable Children who stood up and spoke out against this Governments agenda of benefit bashing. We need these academics to help us unite and have a voice in this country.

    There must be a debate, at the moment all we have is one punitive measure after another hitting the poor like bombs. This is a call to action for everyone and anyone who is concerned about the direction of our society.

    Every single parent on the benefit who is being attacked needs to join together to have a discussion. We need the community to help turn this into a discussion, instead of a war on the poor.

    It isn’t just parents under attack, those members of our community who are unwell are also under huge pressure.

    People looking for work are being punished for not finding it, when it’s the Government who have destroyed the jobs in this country and continue to do so.
    All beneficiaries must unite, and we need help to do this!’

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/360890093983840/

    Other Centres:
    CHRISTCHURCH http://www.facebook.com/events/359769487433655/
    Organising meeting, Monday 17th Sep. 7pm at WEA 59 Gloucester street..contact Jo on 0221726120
    WELLINGTON https://www.facebook.com/groups/501414736555115/ – contact kylebowater@gmail.com
    HAMILTON http://www.facebook.com/events/406160476105876/
    DUNEDIN https://www.facebook.com/events/284916358279500/

    Supporting Groups: ( We will add more as they join)

    Waitemata Branch of Unite Union

    Against Welfare Reforms
    againstwelfarereforms.wordpress.com
    Stop the War on the Poor

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  94. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    I am really not happy about mental health patients being released into the wild.

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  95. Viking2 (11,346 comments) says:

    Speaking of Obama;

    http://screencast.com/t/rUwiUFYZv

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  96. RightNow (6,966 comments) says:

    Nice segue

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  97. my 2 cents (1,091 comments) says:

    Wiehana
    I don’t accept your position at all.
    Fear of loss is the driver for at least 50%.
    Public humiliation or loss of privilege/pay/promotion whatever.

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  98. Fletch (6,240 comments) says:

    Calls from those in Egypt for the international community to criminalise any criticism of Islam –

    The Kingdom’s Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh called on the international community to criminalize acts of abusing great prophets and messengers such as Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all), according to a statement issued today.
    The statement was issued in response film in the United States denigrating Islam and ridiculing the Prophet (pbuh).

    And –

    When [Egyptian Prime Minister Hisham Qandil] was asked whether the US should make amendments to its laws governing freedom of speech and expression, he replied,”I think we need to work out something around this because we cannot wait and see this happen again.”

    Qandil also called on the US “to take the necessary measures to ensure insulting billions of people – one and a half billion people – and their beliefs does not happen and people pay for what they do and at the same time make sure that the reflections of the true Egyptian and Muslims is well [represented] in Western media.”

    Bye-bye free speech.

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  99. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Hi Grendel

    Are you aware of this?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6555638/Petition-stalks-Banks-Brash

    I understand that this petition is still ‘live’ and is an ‘Item of Business’ before the Commerce Select Committee.

    ‘Obsessed’ with John Banks?

    errr….. I prefer ‘determined’ and ‘persistent’ when it comes to the application of the principles of ‘open, transparent and democratically accountable’ local and central government?

    Given that New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ (according to the 2011 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’?)

    When are NZ members of Parliament going to be subject to an ENFORCEABLE ‘Code of Conduct’ – given that they ‘make the rules’ for everyone else?

    How come they aren’t already?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  100. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Scott Chris,
    You are so naive and so committed to defending the indefensible..I can’t read yr comments or respond to them in detail..Others such as Manolo have responded. When will you wake up? When the hole is being dug for you?
    I just realized today that the Egyptian Coptic priest mentioned in recent days is Father Zacharia Botros ; who in my opinion is one of the bravest people on this planet. He has broadcasted all over the middle east for decades. There has been a fatwa on him for decades..Maybe he has had to flee to the US in recent times..He may be 80 by now..Don’t believe any tripe that comes out about him from the US media..He is very honourable and very , very brave.

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  101. Reid (16,189 comments) says:

    Couple of names to note here on cui bono from the film. Remember, nothing in politics happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned to happen.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/09/16/261889/cia-zionists-behind-antiislam-film/

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  102. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    What was that post on GD yesterday with reference to ‘cui bono’?

    Ah, yes. “10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists”

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/09/general_debate_16_september_2012.html#comment-1022880

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  103. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    TV3 , Gaylene Preston etc are planning to make a fictionalized account of the CHCH earthquakes..Why? Most people living here are still living with the reality and do not need any ”fiction.” After 9/11 the US govt put a five year ban on any work of fiction. Why is NZ on Air funding such an insensitive , premature and unnecessary project..Tasteless really tasteless.
    Does anyone know how much NZ on Air money is going into this?

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  104. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    So just what is wrong with Haier buying F&P Appliances Russel?

    How is it different to Citrix buying Beetil? Or BMC buying Aptimize? Or even Fairfax buying TradeMe?

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  105. Steve (North Shore) (4,540 comments) says:

    Looks like the spring has bought in a good fresh strain of dope. Ms P is doing fine today

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  106. wat dabney (3,755 comments) says:

    More gems from Scott who is so achingly “right-on” from the safe distance of secular New Zealand.

    I don’t consider not insulting their prophet an onerous demand

    What a complete dick.

    ‘I don’t have a problem with this particular instance of coercive censorship, therefore it’s okay.’

    Twat.

    Is everyone also to be prohibited from saying anything remotely controversial about anything and everything that I claim to worship? If not, why not?

    I worship the Tooth Pixie, Santa Claus and Adolf Hitler (peace be upon them) and I expect my beliefs to be given equal protection.

    I don’t consider not insulting my prophets an onerous demand.

    And who remembers the blasphemy case of the Pakistan teacher Mohammad Younas Shaikh, for making the perfectly logical observation that, by definition, Mohammed was not a Muslim before Allah made himself known to him (sic.) These knuckle-draggers choose to take as anything as an insult.

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  107. nasska (11,112 comments) says:

    It got crowded in heaven, so, for one day it was decided only to accept people who had really had a bad day on the day they died.
    St. Peter was standing at the pearly gates and said to the first man, “Tell me about the day you died.”
    The man said, “Oh, it was awful. I was sure my wife was having an affair, so I came home early to catch her with him. I searched all over the apartment but couldn’t find him anywhere. So I went out onto the balcony, we live on the 25th floor, and found this man hanging over the edge by his fingertips. I went inside, got a hammer, and started hitting his hands. He fell, but landed in some bushes. So, I got the refrigerator and pushed it over the balcony and it crushed him. The strain of the act gave me a heart attack, and I died.”
    St. Peter couldn’t deny that this was a pretty bad day, and since it was a crime of passion, he let the man in.
    He then asked the next man in line about the day he died. “Well, sir, it was awful,” said the second man. “I was doing aerobics on the balcony of my 26th floor apartement when I twisted my ankle and slipped over the edge. I managed to grab the balcony of the apartment below, but some maniac came out and started pounding on my fingers with a hammer. Luckily I landed in some bushes. But, then the guy dropped a refrigerator on me!”
    St. Peter chuckled, let him into heaven and decided he could really start to enjoy this job.
    “Tell me about the day you died?”, he said to the third man in line.
    “OK, picture this, I’m naked, hiding inside a refrigerator….”

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  108. wat dabney (3,755 comments) says:

    WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/

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  109. nasska (11,112 comments) says:

    Q. How many Muslims does it take to change a lightbulb?
    A. One – he holds the bulb and the world revolves around him.

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  110. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    IS AUCKLAND COUNCIL CEO DOUG MCKAY ‘FIT FOR DUTY’?

    In my considered opinion NO – and I told him so – to his face on 22 August 2012:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151226862514524&set=a.10150142285564524.342080.649079523&type=1&theater

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10834472

    http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/aboutcouncil/committees/ceoreviewsubcommittee/meetings/chiefexecutivereviewsubcommitmin20120822.pdf

    5 Public Input
    5.1 Public Input –

    Ms Penny Bright was in attendance to address the CEO Review Subcommittee regarding maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the local authority.
    Resolution number CEOR/2012/10

    MOVED by Mayor LCM Brown, seconded Cr CE Fletcher:
    That the Chief Executive Review Subcommittee:
    Agree that the Public input presentation be received.
    CARRIED

    Subject: OPEN LETTER: Request for speaking rights at Auckland Council CEO Review Subcommittee 22 August 2012, 10am Auckland Town Hall.

    17 August 2012

    REQUEST FOR SPEAKING RIGHTS AT THE CEO REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING
    to be held on Wednesday 22 August 2012, 10am,
    Council Chambers, Auckland Town Hall, 301-305 Queen Street, Auckland

    SUBJECT MATTER:

    1) The failure of the Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay to meet his statutory duties under s.42 2(e) of the Local Government Act 2002 re:

    “maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the local authority; ”

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2002/0084/latest/DLM171859.html

    LGOIMA REPLY 21 November 2011 from Darryl Griffin (Manager for Democracy Services)

    “The Auckland Council Annual Report:

    1) Is the Auckland Council, in a truly ‘open,transparent and democratically-accountable’ way, going to ensure that citizens and ratepayers of the Auckland region are going to be given the ‘devilish’ detail, so we can see exactly where out rate monies are being spent on private sector consultants and contractors?

    a) Are the names of the consultants/contractors; the scope,term and value of these contracts going to be published in the Auckland Council Annual Report so that they’re available for public scrutiny?

    b) If not – why not?

    Not at this stage. There are 5,000 contracts related to 12,500 suppliers.
    To collate and publish these would be a major exercise logistically and cost-wise. ”
    ____________________________________________________________

    2) The alleged ‘conflict of interest’ of CEO Doug McKay in being a member of the unelected private lobby group – the Committee for Auckland, in his capacity as CEO of Auckland Council.

    IE: Is the CEO of Auckland Council primarily working in the interests of the public majority of citizens and ratepayers or a private minority of big business /corporate interests?
    http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

    Doug McKay Chief Executive Officer Auckland Council http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz

    (Is this the reason why Auckland Council rates keep going up?

    Because the primary reason for the establishment of the Auckland SUPERCITY was to ensure bigger contracts – for (fewer) but bigger private contractors, an unknown number of which have been awarded to member companies of the Committee for Auckland?)

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  111. Steve (North Shore) (4,540 comments) says:

    Penny, talk to the hand.
    Nobody gives a shit about you or your comments.
    They did not care yesterday, they did not care today, and they don’t give a fuck about what you may post tomorrow.
    So go annoy some other blog, hey you can gather flags for wussle – he is missing some

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  112. graham (2,328 comments) says:

    IS MS PENNY BRIGHT ‘FIT FOR DUTY’?

    In my considered opinion NO.

    Her ‘duty’, as she sees it, is to expose the wrong-doings of others – particularly those in public office.

    As somebody who has stood for public office numerous times, Ms Penny Bright has:

    STOLEN water
    – encouraged others to STEAL water
    STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement)
    VANDALISED and DEFACED the billboards of her opponents during the campaign for public office
    – cost the ratepayers hundreds of thousands of dollars

    So, dear reader, the question is – IS MS PENNY BRIGHT ‘FIT FOR DUTY’?

    In my ‘considered opinion’ – NO.

    graham
    Official Attendee, Sheep Racing Grand Finals at Helensville A&P 2011 and 2012
    Official Attendee, Royal Wedding 2011 (watched it on telly)

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  113. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The man has a history… http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7692765/Renewed-call-for-canoe-inquiry

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