General Debate 24 October 2012

October 24th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    First!

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  2. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (562 comments) says:

    She probably makes people laugh as well.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10842452

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  3. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    The last two weeks! http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRESIDENTIAL_CAMPAIGN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-22-22-06-16

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  4. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Samsung S3 or iphone 5 ?
    That is the question I am faced with.

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  5. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    C’mon Colville, a man of your means can afford the two!

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  6. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    When are the Nat’s gong to pull their collective heads out of their arses and drop the asset sales cluster fuck. The courts will force them to do so with in the next 12 months anyway so why waste our money?

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  7. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Regrettably the Australian woman injured when she came off a four wheel bike in the Waikato last Thursday has died.

    We should now wait for some handwringing OSH type to start banging on about the dangers these bikes present & proposals for a raft of new restrictions on their use. Points to consider before these emotional blackmailers get wound up is that the lady was riding under the supervision of an adventure tourism company, the bike didn’t roll on her, she was 38 & she WAS wearing a helmet.

    Now watch the useless mummsies deflect & waffle.

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  8. flipper (4,062 comments) says:

    @ m@tt
    Your mind is in a state of fundamental disequilibrium.

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  9. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    Horror of horrors: they are starting to like the executive more than the Kenyan:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/23/debates-deliver-favorability-edge-romney/

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  10. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    Comments 4 to 1 in favour of Shearer
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10842053

    If only the news media elite would allow us to connect the dots. How many emails did RadioNZ receive which were critical of Paul Spoonely. None that we know of?

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  11. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    David Clark has posted a dissing of John Key, and detailed National’s many hiccups, a bit overblown but nevertheless National have exposed a number of weaknesses.

    Taking down Key has obviously been Labour’s aim, but if they are to benefit they need to sort somne of their own stuff out, and that isn’t insignificant.

    David Clark disses John Key

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  12. Tauhei Notts (1,712 comments) says:

    Fascinating race in the USA.
    Obama at $1.53, out from $1.49
    Romney in to $2.92 from $3.00.
    This trend in the odds is intriguing.

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  13. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Manolo, its not about price. I dislike change. I would have the Samsung heartbeat if it wasnt so huge.

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  14. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    Donald Sadoway, Professor of Materials Chemistry at MIT describes his liquid metal battery:

    What’s the key to using alternative energy, like solar and wind? Storage — so we can have power on tap even when the sun’s not out and the wind’s not blowing.

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  15. Scott (1,800 comments) says:

    Colville- The Samsung is awesome. I have one and it is great.

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  16. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    Who needs democracy:

    “I find your society genuinely admirable in many ways. For example, I met Helen Clark while I was in Wellington. I was invited to her official residence, and waved in by a lone policeman who didn’t even check who I was, then I had a barbecue with her. I congratulated her on the public’s enlightened attitudes towards racial issues, but she disagreed. She said to me that New Zealand was really a very racist country, and she was determined to do everything she could as prime minister to change that. I thought that was a very bold, honest statement to make to a foreigner, and I really respected her for that.”
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/3751531/Acting-giant-reflects-on-NZ-society

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  17. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    Putnam found
    resoundingly that, other things equal, the more ethnically diverse the community,
    the less that cooperation tends to take place. For example, Los Angeles was
    found to be a rather uncooperative place. Other things equal, people in ethnically
    diverse communities develop fewer friendships, participate less in community
    activities, watch more television, and are less happy. Bjørnskov (2003) concluded
    that high levels of life satisfaction in still-not-highly-diverse Scandinavia
    are more dependent on social capital than on affluence.

    Singer (2000, p. 44) remarked on the highly-cooperative aspects of Japanese
    society. In 2011, there was not a significant amount of looting in Japan even in
    the wake of a massive earthquake. In fact, 2.3 billion yen of lost cash was turned
    in, having been found in wallets and safes that had disappeared in the aftermath
    of the quake (Daily Mail, 17 August 2011). However, Singer made no mention of
    Japan’s ethnic homogeneity, its high average level of intelligence, or its lack of
    impulsiveness. Nor did he mention its paucity of immigration.
    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/biology-immigration.pdf

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  18. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Colville – the iphone 5 sucks. my buddy has one. he prefers his iphone 3.. its weird. long and skinny!?

    I went the HTC One X (same insides ans S3). Its stunning. I didnt like the s3 cause i find it a bit cheap/plastic. it does review slightly better than the htc though.

    my next phone will be a nokia lumia 920 running windows 8 :)

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  19. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    TV3’s relentless pro-Luddite campaign continues unabated: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8552823/homeless-families-a-national-shame

    Using any topic the moron Campbell pushes the Green agenda and gives them publicity.

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  20. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    ‘Petrol from air’ technology unveiled.

    “The technology removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. The technology involves taking sodium hydroxide and mixing it with carbon dioxide before “electrolysing” the sodium carbonate that it produces to form pure carbon dioxide. Hydrogen is then produced by electrolysing water vapour captured with a dehumidifier. It then uses the carbon dioxide and hydrogen to produce methanol which in turn is passed through a gasoline fuel reactor, creating petrol.”

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  21. KH (695 comments) says:

    Colville.
    Go the Samsung S3. Even if just because it’s beautiful. (this is not a deep post) I have the blue one.
    Apple goes on about it’s design ethos. But in comparison to the Samsung S3 any Apple phone looks like the worst of the 1980s Fridges.

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  22. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Scott
    I am very very dubious that the ‘petrol from air’ is viable or ever will be.

    Hydrogen extraction from water is appallingly inefficient with electricity, but even if this is somehow improved in the future you have to stick all those high energy hydrogen-carbon bonds together with a shit load of electricity.
    Aluminium production takes aluminium oxide, and sticks electricity through it (with the aid of a catalyst) and viola, aluminium metal. Otherwise known as solid electricity because it takes so bloody much of it to achieve pure aluminium.
    I can’t see this petrol being any different.
    Why not just have an electric car?
    Maybe the energy density of petrol will remain higher for a long time than any battery energy density but I suspect this is more about raising money for the inventor.

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  23. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    Colville- The iPhone 5 still wishes it could be a S3; I have had both to trial through work and I would definitely recommend the S3 over the iPhone 5.

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  24. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    PG- That is exactly the kind of crap that puts people off Labour, they are so concerned with playing the man not the issues that they just come across as nasty and clueless. If they really want to appeal to voters they need to sort out their internal squabbles and start focusing on presenting policy that is coherent.

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  25. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    hj – Japan is interesting. They have low immigration all around, but in particular they practically refuse to take in any Muslims.

    Smart people, the Japanese.

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  26. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    b1gdaddynz – yes, I agree it puts a lot of people off, hence National trending down in the polls but Labour struggling to take advantage of it. They come across as more the ‘we don’t like John Key” party.

    And many of their over the top claims against Key and National’s handling of the economy make it obvious it’s unreasoned criticism out of synch with what people see.

    Until they have a leader people see as able to lead rather than act under party machine instruction, and un til they have a front bench at least that looks like a reasonable replacement, many voters will stay away through having only poor choices.

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  27. hj (7,019 comments) says:

    ““New Zealand has gone from having a very ‘white’ immigration policy in the 60s to being super-diverse in 2012. This is a significant shift and has occurred with minimal conflict,” he says. “Immigration has been really important – in part to replace people emigrating and to dampen the effects of population aging. We rely on immigrants for their skills and entrepreneurialism.”
    http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=A52BA19A-E770-3312-3B87-AFC9F993790A

    See! it’s all decided by the professor. How did he get all that knowledge into that small head?

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  28. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    Lance, the bottom line is: Which process is the most efficient in converting electrical energy into some kind of stored form, be it petrol, ammonia or battery, or even just pumping water back into a reservoir.

    I simply find it interesting that all these inventors are out there trying to crack the nut with competing technologies.

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  29. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Scott
    Fair comment.
    I was more concerned that some people might latch onto this as a new ‘water powered car’ type fantasy and declare all our energy problems are over.

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  30. kowtow (8,473 comments) says:

    hj
    That posting about the queer actor and Helen says so much.
    A pathetic NZ media self obsessed by NZ’s image in the eyes of “celebrities”.
    The flaunting of homosexualism.
    The former PM and a British celebrity bolloxing on about “racism”……we are so fucken nasty aren’t we ,with all our bitter little hatreds that must be legislated away by the poncy elites who know better us mere plebs!

    Interesting the relatively little coverage given to the 70 anniversary of El Alamein,where NZ really did make a mark on the international scene. And even that has to be covered under the new criteria that official Aotearoa insists on pushing,karangas etc

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  31. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    TRUMP is claiming the Obama s are divorced. Is going public Wed (Thurs NZ time).

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/10/24/trump-claims-obamas-are-divorced

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  32. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    A true Messiah, a favourite of the whole world!
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-has-massive-lead-global-poll_657285.html

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  33. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    @Manolo:

    Why do you consistently refer to Obama as ‘the Kenyan’? He is an American with Kenyan heritage on his father side, not a Kenyan.

    Oh wait, it is just derogatory nonsense.

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  34. Nostalgia-NZ (5,204 comments) says:

    He can’t help himself TheContrarian he’s cliché blind, others which the record is also stuck on are ‘stone agers’ and ‘savages.’

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  35. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Why do you consistently refer to Obama as ‘the Kenyan’?

    Well let’s see. We have a stuffed shirt politician who put on his author’s biography for years that he was born in Kenya – just so he could pretend to the rubes who swallowed his autobiography that he was a member of that all important “Other” finding his way in America – rather than an ordinary kid who had enjoyed the typical upbringing of most 70’s American teenagers. Hawaii was apparently not exotic enough.

    I can’t speak for Manolo but I would have thought that a contrarian would be perfectly fine poking fun at someone like that.

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  36. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    “We have a stuffed shirt politician”
    Nothing to do with Kenya – lots of politicians are stuffed shirts

    “who put on his author’s biography for years that he was born in Kenya”
    Did he? Not sure he did that.

    “I can’t speak for Manolo but I would have thought that a contrarian would be perfectly fine poking fun at someone like that.”
    Ahhh no, I am perfectly fine poking at his failed policies and disappointing presidency without referring to him by a derogatory and in correct moniker

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  37. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    Contrarian – just for you. http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/shocker-obama-was-still-kenyan-born-in-2003/

    It was all over the innernet a couple of months ago.

    “The Kenyan” is correct and no more derogatory than “the Texan”, or “the Kiwi”.

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  38. kowtow (8,473 comments) says:

    Kenyan?
    Very much so . His father and uncles and aunts are Kenyan,his granny still lives there. How many past “American” presidents can claim that degree of closeness to a foreign country?

    Anyway what’s the problem ,we were constantly reminded about how Irish and catholic friggin’ JFK was . Goose /gander.

    Irish Catholic/Kenyan Muslim.

    Or would they prefer O’Bama?

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  39. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    Contarian – sorry forgot to add this one.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/18/Media-Refuses-Coverage-Obama-Kenya-Lit-Agency

    They published it first.

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  40. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    “Contrarian – just for you. http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/shocker-obama-was-still-kenyan-born-in-2003/
    .
    Yes it was all over the internet and I have seen it but he didn’t write it (as you claim) and even top conservative writers like Breitbart don’t believe it means anything and has been admitted as error on the editors part.

    “…since Breitbart News’ piece introducing the Obama bio explicitly states repeatedly that Breitbart News is not stating that Obama was born in Kenya, supports the veracity of the Obama birth certificate, and explains that the evidence goes to Obama’s construction of his own biography”

    Secondly “The Kenyan” is correct and no more derogatory than “the Texan”, or “the Kiwi””

    Obama is not a Kenyan and the monikers use by posters here is clearly in the pejorative. Don’t play dumb.

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  41. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    The Democrat candidate for the Massachusetts Senate seat, Elizabeth Warren, is widely derided across the USA as “Fauxcahontas” after her equally silly claims of North American Indian ancestry were blown out of the water – even though Harvard had deemed them sufficient to boast that they had a “women of color” as a law professor. The same mindset as Obama’s, born of a worship of multiculturalism.

    But don’t tell me – you would not refer to her by that derogatory and incorrect moniker either.

    Which is fine with me, except for the fact that so many people had no problems doing it when Bush was President. Given your holy and pure take on the matter I presume that you didn’t either, and will not do so if “Mittens” becomes President?

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  42. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    We have a stuffed shirt politician who put on his author’s biography for years that he was born in Kenya –

    You are propagating a lie.

    Full campaign mode tom?

    Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

    “This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me–an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”

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  43. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    Conty, Breitbart claim Obama has been manipulating his biography over the years to appeal to different audiences.

    Breitbart claim that the publishers asked the authors to pen their own biography. See supporting link in their article.

    Breitbart state that the Obama = born in Kenya bit was up on the publisher’s website for 16 years, and was only changed after Obama ran for the presidency.

    So, was Obama lying then, or is he lying now?

    He lied about the circumstances surrounding his mother’s death, he made up a girlfriend in his book, he lied for weeks after teh Benghazi mess – the guy makes shit up.

    Which parts are true? When do we believe him?

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  44. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    You are propagating a lie …

    I always appreciated this comment made at the time:

    I will leave aside for the moment the question of whether he vetted the agent’s material himself. As the author of eleven published books and seven produced feature films, I have had plenty of dealings with agents and publicity people and always looked over the bios they had written about me. Every author I ever talked to about it always did too. We’re those kind of egotists.

    Nothing more than a fact-checking error and simple mistake? That’s a Tui advertisement right there.

    Full campaign mode tom?

    Sure Chris, it’s more fun than talking about his hopeless policies, both foreign and domestic. And I’m just aching to see Romney as President.

    Do I need the sarc tag on that last one?

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  45. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Some may remember a case in Nelson where the police set out to establish the credibility of an under cover officer who was trying to infiltrate a criminal gang.

    They did so by trumping up a bogus search warrant and laying bogus charges angainst him. This is what the High Court thought of the process

    “[37] I consider it is a significant deficit that no legal advice was sought in terms of the initial use of a fake warrant, the plan to lay false charges, the obligations of disclosure to the Judge if he was to be approached, the appropriateness of seeking to do this by meeting with a Judge in his chambers, the correctness of using the court’s processes as an investigative aid, and how the false charges/wrong convictions would all be undone at the end.9
    [38] I admit I was somewhat surprised, and remain so, at the lack of insight by the officers directly involved about the lack of propriety involved making up a warrant purporting to be issued and signed by a judicial officer, and then executing it on a member of the public as if it were real. Finally, I have already observed that the errors that occurred in the way the evidence emerged, whilst in no way deliberate, in my view reflect the same lack of a hard look at the reality of it all, and too ready an assumption that the police perspective was correct.
    [39] All this leads me to the view that whilst there was no bad faith, and whilst the police believed they had a judicial imprimatur, that state of mind affords less comfort and excuse than it might sometimes do. This state of mind was as much or more the product of a lack of external advice, and a large measure of assumption flowing from the lack of any proper scrutiny, as it was the product of any reasonable grounds for so thinking.”

    All charges against members of the gang were dismissed.

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  46. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    “Breitbart claim that the publishers asked the authors to pen their own biography”
    Which the editor than said was ‘her’ mistake:

    As above: “This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me–an agency assistant at the time,” Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more.”

    Secondly “Breitbart claim Obama has been manipulating his biography over the years to appeal to different audiences.” is a little different to Obama actually being born in Kenya.

    Calling Obama “the Kenyan’ is incorrect and borderline bigoted. He is an American, not a Kenyan.
    Do you refer to Clarence Thomas as ‘The African’? How about John Key as ‘The Jew’?

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  47. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    For an avowed “contrarian”, the self-confessed Foucauldian appears extremely thin-skinned.

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  48. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    Calling out someone else’s bigotry is indeed thin-skinned

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  49. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    Conty – a fact-checking error?

    Far too convenient a solution.

    Obama was perfectly happy to have his biography state he was born in Keny for 16 years.

    “Goderich’s statement fails to explain why the “fact checking error” persisted for sixteen years, through at least three different versions of Jane Dystel’s website, and through at least four different versions of Obama’s biography.

    It persisted, in fact, more than two years after Obama became a United States Senator, and until after Obama had declared his campaign for the presidency in 2007.”

    You’re asking us to believe that at no point in his fledgling literary career did Obama notice his biography, the blurb they used to market him, had him born as a Kenyan?

    Bit of a salient detail, don’t you think?

    Remember at that stage he was a nobody – and noone would have cared if he’d been born in Australia/Belgium/Cameroon – or Kenya.

    Considering how he likes to make stuff up, I’d say it’s far more reasonable to believe he authorised that bio to make himself more exotic, more marketable.

    When it became embarrassing after he ran for president, he had it changed.

    So was he lying then, or is he lying now?

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  50. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    “Considering how he likes to make stuff up, I’d say it’s far more reasonable to believe he authorised that bio to make himself more exotic, more marketable.”

    That wouldn’t make him born in Kenya though – which is the kinda the point here

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  51. Rufus (667 comments) says:

    Conty – who knows where he was born?

    “Evidence” either way.

    His granny stated he was born in Kenya. Kenyan official stated he was. His released BC is claimed to be a forgery. His records are sealed. His bio for 16 years stated he was born a Kenyan. His wife is on record as stating Kenya is his “home country” etc.

    Question is how do we know if he’s telling the truth or not, on any matter?

    He is a proven liar.

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  52. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    Funny, you said it is more likely “he authorised that bio to make himself more exotic, more marketable”.

    So he lied on this bio to say he was born in Kenya to be more marketable when he was in fact born in the US therefore he is a liar which means he could also be lying about being born in the US.
    That doesn’t make any sense.

    The claims his BC is faked is spurious at best.

    “He is a proven liar.”
    So are most politicians.

    “His records are sealed”
    Which ones?
    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

    “Kenyan official stated he was”
    Which officials

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  53. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    Whatever you do, do not call Hitler the Austrian. :D

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  54. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    Nookin (2,200) Says:
    October 24th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
    Some may remember a case in Nelson where the police set out to establish the credibility of an under cover officer who was trying to infiltrate a criminal gang.

    They did so by trumping up a bogus search warrant and laying bogus charges angainst him. This is what the High Court thought of the process

    ………..

    All charges against members of the gang were dismissed.

    One High Court judge should be leaving the country, unemployed!

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  55. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Manolo
    “Whatever you do, do not call Hitler the Austrian. ”

    They do in Munich. They seriously disown the shitbag.

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  56. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    Manolo 8:29. That’s good news.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  57. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    @contrarian

    As has already been pointed out to you, that claim sat on that website biography for 16 years before it was corrected. Some fact-checking.

    Again – I thought contrarians did not simply accept blunt denials but continued to ask questions – like what on earth would lead his publishers to make such a silly claim? No? Not interested?

    Face it – most politicians are consumate bullshit artists who play to their audiences – but Obama is in class of his own since he’s never been called to account. That’s why he doubles down on stupid, as he did with his claim in the second debate that he specifically called the Benghazi incident a terrorist attack, or yesterday when he claimed that the sequestration of the defense budget will not happen. Everybody else will back-pedal, but not Mr Hope ‘n Change.

    Oh – and whose playing dumb now – and about a joke at that. Get off your high-horse of “calling out” people in attempting to control the conversation to your standards. We already have one village scold on this blog and that’s quite enough.

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  58. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    m@tt @ 8:22am: “When are the Nat’s gong to pull their collective heads out of their arses and drop the asset sales cluster fuck. The courts will force them to do so with in the next 12 months anyway so why waste our money?”

    The comments of a true democrat. Someone who opposes a central campaign policy put to the electorate by the ultimate winners of an election. And who then argues the (de-)merits of that policy in incisive, reasoned and considered language like “…. pull their collective heads out of their arses and drop the asset sales cluster fuck.”

    A judicial tarot card reader as well, it appears, who can predict with confidence bordering on certainty that “The courts will force them to do so with in the next 12 months anyway …”, thereby rendering superfluous trial of an action already filed in the Courts.

    It’s heartening, though, that m@tt is a genuine net taxpayer (“… so why waste our money?”) – there aren’t many of those in his part of the political spectrum.

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  59. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    TheContrarian come on, they call Clarence Thomas the good nigger.
    Christ I’m starting to hope Romney wins so all theses yank visitors will fuck off home.

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  60. kowtow (8,473 comments) says:

    Austrian? That’s a language isn’t it?

    At least the Keynesian thinks so.

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  61. HB (321 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/7856497/Water-pumping-causes-fatal-quake

    Could this happen in Hastings?

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  62. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    At least the Keynesian thinks so.

    Heh. That reminds me of an incident with the “Rally to Restore Sanity” in 2010, organised by chief smartasses Colbert and Jon Stewart in a desperate effort to halt the tide of the Tea Party movement in the US mid-term elections.

    A crew from Reason drifted through the crowd of people, who naturally held themselves to be deeply knowledgeable and high-IQ, asking them whether they thought Obama was a Keynesian, among other things. The results are painfully funny.

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  63. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    Another MSM cheerleader and NZ progressive gives his “unbiased” opinion: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/shows/breakfast/highlights/mikes-editorial-24oct2012

    The poor guy should concentrate on his hairdo.

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  64. questions (207 comments) says:

    His father may be Kenyan, but his mother is American, why do you not call him the American?

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  65. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    Another useless study by pseudo-academics who have nothing else to do but pursue the most inane subjects:
    http://health.msn.co.nz/healthnews/8553329/kiwis-want-exercise-labels-on-food

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  66. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10842446

    Crown says ownership of water should not be considered at next month’s hearing.

    Despite protests, Prime Minister John Key still believes the partial sale of Mighty River Power could go ahead between March and June next year. Photo / Brett Phibbs

    Want more information about HOW to SWITCH OFF MERCURY ENERGY (100% owned by Mighty River Power), and where to SWITCH?

    http://switchoffmercuryenergy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/SOME-11-September-2012-Switch-off-leaflet6g.pdf

    Penny Bright

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  67. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I call Obama an American and rather allot else too !

    His white mother is from there and she is decedent from American slaves. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181027/Revealed-Obamas-mother-descended-slaves-America.html

    Funny how the supporters of his cult lied to us about that one. Though maybe they meant the vibrant slave trade that was present in Africa before any white man set foot on it (and continues on today).

    I guess they had to say “something” to get that Nobel Prize.

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  68. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    “Despite protests, Prime Minister John Key still believes the partial sale of Mighty River Power could go ahead ”

    Penny- The only people protesting are the usual greedy, bullshit-artist Maori activists (hoping for a huge cash payout) and a handful of drug-fucked professional protesters…give it a break.

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  69. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    US may soon be world’s top oil producer!

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  70. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    His father may be Kenyan, but his mother is American, why do you not call him the American?

    For the same reason that your tag is questions, and you have no reasoned answers, so I call you idiot!

    Personally I think he’s very American – in a post-modernist sense – but he never seemed proud of that connection with an unexceptional, downright mean country.

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  71. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Question.

    When a country has a national team that are world champions in their national sport, the All Blacks.

    why would a …….. (insert your own adjective) like say ‘Longknives’ (see GD 23/10 @ 4.05 and 4.08)
    then refer to the All Blacks as, “self righteous, arrogant, poor sports and hypocrites ”
    and Big Bruv refer to them as, ‘a moaning bunch of hypocritical softcocks.” ?

    This over an incident of foul play against our captain, when he was kneed in the head and headbutted
    and an independant judiciary bans the perp (Australias Higgingbotham,) for 4 weeks as punishment.

    Can someone explain why the likes of Longknives and Big Bruv hate their own national team so much ?

    Why can’t they just be proud of them ?

    What is their problem ?
    Would you see this in any other country ?

    Any ideas ?

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  72. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    bereal

    Why ask somebody else to explain why I “hate” the NZ rugby team?, why not just ask me?

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  73. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Two poor kids were invited by a rich kid to a swimming party at his pool. When they were changing into their swim trunks, one turned to the other and said “Did you notice the small dicks on the rich kids?” The other answered “Yeah! It’s probably because they have real toys to play with!”

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  74. kowtow (8,473 comments) says:

    The Keynesian,I thought I was channelling Penn and Teller ,but turns out it was that rally .

    Enjoy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrHkxqNT7s&feature=related

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  75. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    The West is mental.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/defence-and-security-blog/2012/oct/22/military-afghanistan

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  76. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Twin Towers. Great picture as it happened.

    http://screencast.com/t/YSSCLorRasx

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  77. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    Bereal- You are obsessing.
    A New Zealander (who played rugby for 20 odd years) doesn’t support the All Blacks any more. Get over it!
    I have explained time and time again that I find it impossible to support a team which has pretty much made it’s own rules since 2005 (we can spear tackle anyone we like out of the game but god help anybody who targets our precious Richie..), and has a revolting arrogance about it (other teams MUST respect our throat slitting haka etc etc)….

    When they come back down to planet earth I might support them again- until then….

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  78. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    This could prove interesting, in coming years:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9627671/China-announces-major-reshuffle-of-Peoples-Liberation-Army.html

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  79. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    The Chicago mafia is busy: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/fake-voter-registration-letters-raise-alarm-in-florida-with-early-voting-set-to/

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  80. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Agreed Longknives.

    The Haka is an embarrassment. Watching them perform this ritual in front of countries that have fought real wars and built empires, demonstrates incredible arrogance. All the Maori “warriors” ever did was squabble amongst themselves.

    They are a metaphor for many of the ills that trouble NZ today. They do not define or represent anything we should aspire to be.

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  81. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    The Haka is an embarrassing stupid dance with individuals sticking out their tongues and rolling eyes. The throat slitting gestures just about sums up their mentality.

    So there… That’s my 5 cents worth.

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  82. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Longknives @ 8.27

    What a stupid post.
    What a very, very stupid post.
    The IRB rules are applied by all international refs as evenly as they can.

    You don’t support your national team of world champions ? Fine.
    Guess what. They don’t need support from the likes of you.

    The question i posed @ 7.25 is all about what is wrong with you and your support crew Big Bruv ?

    You reveal heaps about you.

    Why do you hate your national team ?

    Why do you need to denigrate our world champion national team ?

    Where on earth would you find any country who hated the success of their international champions ?

    Like i say, what is wrong with you ?

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  83. Nostalgia-NZ (5,204 comments) says:

    Longknives
    You are obsessing.

    Get over it, one spear tackle in 7 years does not a swallow make, or even a summer.

    I’m all in favour of the throat slitting gestures because of our poor record in spear tackles. I’m not proposing a national inquiry but a bit of eye-gouging on the next tour or some scrotum adjustment might help.

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  84. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Oh fuck, i give up.

    Morons like Kea, Longknives and RF try to skew the discussion to make it about the Haka.

    Good luck to you all.

    Leave it to every other country to be proud to be champions.

    So many self haters in New Zealand.

    Why ?

    Would any acheivement by any New Zealander make youse be proud of your country ?

    i doubt it.

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  85. Nostalgia-NZ (5,204 comments) says:

    What’s your position on head highs bereal, duck or just watch out?
    I know the rules are tough but at least a player can retaliate now, even for events 6 months previously.

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  86. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    bereal

    It seems you are the type of happy clapper the NZRU love. It does not matter what the likes of Tew and co do (including using tax payer money to fund a loss making RWC during a recession) you will stick your brain in a jar and cheer on command.

    Now, let me address your points.

    “Why do you hate your national team ?”

    Who said they are “my” national team?, they are a bunch of overpaid rugby players who wear a black jersey and play for the Adidas/IAG team. They are about as national as the Americas cup team. They ceased to be the ‘All Blacks’ some time ago.

    You also ask “what is wrong with you” in a manner that suggests that it he a criminal offence not to blindly support the NZ rugby team.
    My response to that stupid question would be to turn it back on you and ask why you think it is compulsory to support the NZ rugby team?.
    I suspect that it might be because you are like so many Kiwis and suffer from a severe case of insecurity and you may also be one who suffers from an identity crisis.
    Despite the lies of the rugby media (swallowed by idiots like you) the NZ rugby team is NOT world famous, most people in the world have never heard of the NZ rugby team.

    You also ask “Why do you need to denigrate our world champion national team ?”

    I am not denigrating them, I am simply pointing out the truth. The NZ rugby team are a precious bunch of moaning softcocks.
    We demand that the opposition stand there while we poke our tongues out at them, we demand that they stand there while we shove Maori culture down their throats and should the team we are playing against have the temerity to do something else rather than stand there then we take it as a cultural insult.
    Also, pointing out that the NZ rugby team are the best cheats in the world is not denigrating the team, it is telling the truth.

    Finally, you ask “Where on earth would you find any country who hated the success of their international champions ?”

    Lol…they are the winners of a very minor sporting tournament. Calling them “international champions” is a bit rich given that most of the world does not play the game of rugby or have any interest at all in the game.

    It is time you grew up bereal. Rugby is a nothing game on the world stage. We love it and there is nothing wrong with that at all but we must stop telling lies about how much it matters in the world and we must stop swallowing the bullshit of the NZRU.

    A mature nation would say ‘Rugby is our national game and we don’t give a shit if you like the game or not”, sadly we are not at that stage as yet.

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  87. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Nostalgia etc

    Go back to my first post @ 7.25

    The most pittifull argument of all is to try and answer a question with a question.

    G’nite all.
    Good luck to your families.

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  88. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Would any acheivement by any New Zealander make youse be proud of your country ?

    Yes bereal.

    Many NZ sports people achieve at a very high level, especially in individual pursuits, but get very little recognition due to the media fixation on the ab’s. The focus on rugby is extremely damaging to NZ’s sport. It is not the national sport. Far more people play soccer and golf. It is promoted heavily by the media for commercial reasons.

    We are actually far better at soccer, as a nation. The only difference is other countries play soccer seriously.

    “youse” [sic] rugby fans just don’t get it.”Youse” guys are so entranced by a bunch of sweating men grabbing and groping each other in a paddock, that you fail to notice what is going on in the more interesting sports around you.

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  89. Nostalgia-NZ (5,204 comments) says:

    If it is so ‘nothing’ big bruv why do you mention it so often. You seem disturbed to the point that you have to keep mentioning how small and ‘embarrassing’ for you rugby is all the time.
    If no one knows about it why would you care. Have you studied the habits of the glow worms in the Waitomo Caves for example, something else that no one hears about either but which you could also comment about at length.

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  90. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    New research suggests that Easter Island statues may have been walked, like a refrigerator, to their resting places, rather than transported on rolling logs. If true, then they may not have cut down all their trees to transport the statues as widely thought.

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  91. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    Nostalgia

    Just to be clear. I happen to love the game of Rugby, however unlike you and bereal I do not pretend that the game is anything other than a minor sport.

    As I said, a far more mature approach to the game and the NZ national team would be to say (as the Ockers do with Aussie Rules) ‘we love the game and we do not give a shit if others don’t get it’

    But no, we insist on pretending that the whole world knows about the NZ national team and that the entire world is in awe of them when clearly they do not.

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  92. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Big bruv, you have made all the points I would have made, if I were not so lazy.

    I would add one thing to it; Male rugby fans like the cock. Google: rugby fans and repressed homosexuality :)

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  93. Nostalgia-NZ (5,204 comments) says:

    Kea

    How dare you say such an outrageous lie….’It is not the national sport. Far more people play soccer and golf.’

    How many golf or soccer tournaments have been played on that hallowed place..Eden Park – before 80,000 cultured barbarians screaming for a beer after pommy johnny missed another kick at goal?

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  94. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    The same number of rugby test matches held on golf courses Nostalgia.

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  95. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    Big Bruv at 9:26pm is an excellent post- New Zealanders seem to be of the belief that the All Blacks are ‘World Famous’ and revered around the planet…
    I even heard some University Lecturer on the radio a while back claiming that they are the second most famous brand in World sport behind Manchester United. I contemplated this as I was sitting in a sports bar in San Francisco recently, loaded with NFL and Baseball memorabilia, it dawned upon me that I was probably the only person in that metropolitan area of 7 or 8 million who had even heard of the All Blacks..
    Don’t get me wrong, I played rugby most of my life and loved the game, but there is just so much bullshit around the precious ‘Adi-Blacks’ these days..

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  96. Longknives (4,746 comments) says:

    Oh and watching Ali “I’m a Comedian” Williams do the haka makes me ashamed to be a New Zealander. Poking his tongue out, hissing and going all googly eyed, before doing the most over the top throat slitting gesture….Fuck just give him his reality TV show now, he is a media whore.
    Now back in my day guys like Shelford, Fitzpatrick and co just got out there and did the business…no bullshit, no googly- eyed theatrics, just played hard footy to the highest level.
    Oh for the good old days..

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  97. kowtow (8,473 comments) says:

    Froggies don’t care for intervention when it doesn’t happen in their area of interest (e.g.Iraq ,traditionally British)
    Now they want action in Mali. Goes back to Reid and his never ending wars.So much for the religion of peace,and the useless UN.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/video/africa/2012/10/20121023145350200466.html

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  98. questions (207 comments) says:

    “tom hunter (3,722) Says:
    October 24th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    His father may be Kenyan, but his mother is American, why do you not call him the American?

    For the same reason that your tag is questions, and you have no reasoned answers, so I call you idiot!

    Personally I think he’s very American – in a post-modernist sense – but he never seemed proud of that connection with an unexceptional, downright mean country.”

    You would we very very very detached from reality then!

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  99. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    She went “to try understand the thinking in a country where so much content is created” but said she came away believing the debate over the conflicting interests of rights holders, the public, technology companies and internet providers was probably more mature in New Zealand.

    “The voices of internet providers and user groups aren’t that well-represented to the US government.”

    She put that down in part to the low-cost and wide availability of content in the US through services such as Netflix and Hulu.

    “It seems to me that in the US the enforcement measures on fellow-Americans aren’t as high as the enforcement regime that [it] is attempting to be exercised in other countries.”
    ————————–

    Now where have we discussed this before. eh.
    The USA attempting to force others to do what it doesn’t do itself.

    Curran calls for balance in copyright review
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7858252/Curran-calls-for-balance-in-copyright-review

    Hopefully iyts opened her eyes to the Yanks.All we need to do now is poinyt oput the obvious to Key and his mothers little helpers.

    Oh and apparently 52% of Kiwi’s think he has failed to deliver a better life. (News this morning).
    Are we surprised?

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  100. Manolo (13,772 comments) says:

    Another trick from the Chicago mafia: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Florida-Republican-Party-leader-receives-hoax-letter-FBI-investigates/-/1637132/17117694/-/acss1ez/-/index.html

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