General Debate 26 October 2012

October 26th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    TV3 and stuff have picked up on the Green fundraising campaign on poverty politics. Greens have responded saying it’s similar to US style political fundraising, using issues to attract publicity – and money.

    Ironic that poverty is being used to raise funds for a political party. Will this lift the Green Party out of poverty?

    Green response on poverty politics

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  2. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Will this lift the Green Party out of poverty?

    No, but some Luddite leaders will have a great time at the expense of the gullible who donate money to the comrades.

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  3. wreck1080 (3,815 comments) says:

    Windows 8: The first new version of windows which I don’t want. Even vista was OK by me.

    I’ve tried the win8 RTM version, and it simply slows down desktop productivity. Even when you master win8, it will still be more difficult to use if you have multiple open windows and activities.

    I’m staying with windows 7 until windows 8 is made less schizophrenic.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    What is it about these blokes who aren’t satisfied with having just one name? And whilst Labour continues to rant and rave about Kim Dotcom, it seems to have forgotten about its own dodgy supporter Bill Liu; stones and glasshouses anyone?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/the-truth-is-emerging-about-mr-liu.html

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  5. Tauhei Notts (1,651 comments) says:

    That trend in favour of Romney that became apparent on Betfair has come to an end.
    Obama’s odds have dropped and Romney’s risen.
    Romney, like a pregnant victim of rape, is rooted.

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  6. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    Q+A
    JESSICA MUTCH INTERVIEWS PAUL SPOONLEY

    JESSICA – Let’s talk a little bit about that population spread. Why are so many people moving to Auckland?

    PAUL – Well, Auckland – there’s an agglomeration effect, so the bigger Auckland becomes, there more attractive it becomes. It becomes more attractive economically, but it also becomes more attractive as a place to live. And so we’re seeing the sort of perimeters of New Zealand, the regions, beginning to flat-line, so they’re not growing, and we’re now beginning to see the first of regions beginning to decline.

    JESSICA – How is Auckland growing compared with the rest of the world in terms of a city?

    PAUL – Well, just to talk about New Zealand for a minute – natural growth, that’s the births over deaths, is still the most important factor in New Zealand’s growth. But in Auckland, our most important factor is immigration. So we are one of the major destination cities around the world, and you can see that in the make-up of Auckland – the number of people who have been born overseas.

    ….
    So by that logic:

    The 31 Fastest-Growing Cities On The Planet

    Why would anyone want to leave kabul to come to NZ?
    http://www.businessinsider.com/fastest-growing-cities-on-the-planet-2012-10?op=1

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,181 comments) says:

    The Green Party; experts at spending Other People’s Money since…like…forever :D

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  8. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    Didn’t Bill Lui cover both fields….
    Ans = Yes

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  9. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    There is an economic value to being the member of a nation. National is reducing that value for most of it’s citizens for the benefit of a wealthy minority.

    (geessh! another xenophobia attack!)

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  10. TheContrarian (1,082 comments) says:

    @Pete

    TV3 called you a ‘right wing blogger’ this morning. i wouldn’t consider you right-wing, do you see yourself as right?

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  11. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    @ TheContrarian
    Anyone who supports property investors is right wing (Peter Dunne called a capital gains tax an “envy tax”)

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  12. Lance (2,565 comments) says:

    @wreck1080
    Unless you stuck solely to MS Office. Vista sucked so bad I couldn’t think of enough insults to cover it.
    It couldn’t run about half of the existing PC software and a good chunk of the rest became unstable.
    Every PC that came into the company with Vista was reloaded with Win XP until Win7 finally came along and fixed the cluster fuck that Vista was.

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  13. hj (6,747 comments) says:

    @ wreck1080
    the latest version of Ubuntu works well although not all printers work well with linux and your limited in the number of applications you can use.
    http://www.ubuntu.com/

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  14. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Sheesh Tauhei, it’s an interesting exercise from the “wisdom of crowds” angle of analysis. But seriously, if you want to follow the race you need to be down in a much finer level of detail than that.

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  15. hmmokrightitis (1,572 comments) says:

    hj:”Anyone who supports property investors is right wing (Peter Dunne called a capital gains tax an “envy tax”)”

    So much stupid, so little time.

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  16. TheContrarian (1,082 comments) says:

    “Anyone who supports property investors is right wing”

    Wow, a whole new definition of right-wing. Better let Websters know.

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  17. wreck1080 (3,815 comments) says:

    Vista with SP1 was OK for me.

    Even if win8 doesn’t crash the system, it will crash your productivity.

    Ubuntu could be an option if my applications would run natively on it.

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  18. Nookin (3,185 comments) says:

    So, every house owner is now officially right wing. Shearer and co may as well fold up their deckchairs and disappear.

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  19. EverlastingFire (291 comments) says:

    wreck1080 – Discover the windows key to move on and off the start interface. Pin your most useful applications to the task bar. windows key + r for run and windows key + e for explorer, also windows key + w for search. I’ve found these to be the most useful. Point and clickers will have a tough time adjusting.

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  20. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    I hope Redbaiter saw it. If it was on telly it must be so.

    Being called a right winger is hilarious, even though I was commonly called that at The Standard.

    But no, I don’t see myself as any sort of winger – Not ‘a right wing blogger’.

    Maybe it’s just that I have more of a right)ish) wing blog presence, but that’s simply due to the rampant censorship and attempt at message control on major NZ Labour/left wing blogs.

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  21. questions (186 comments) says:

    You pack of tossers were giving sympathy for the plight of Jack Morrissey yesterday, I read the article and noted that A: he is a former police officer and B: the quote ‘please don’t hit me in the head, please don’t do it’.

    I guess he now knows what its like to be on the end of a bashing, this is his comeuppance for all the helpless kids and teenagers he no doubt bashed over the head during his career as a a police officer.

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  22. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    questions – that is a nasty and unnecessary comment.

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  23. TheContrarian (1,082 comments) says:

    @Questions

    He was a fucking finger-print expert and forensic examiner not a policeman on the beat you piece of shit.

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  24. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    hj
    And Ubuntu is free with free support free upgrades free office etc Suck on that bill gates

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  25. Lance (2,565 comments) says:

    So is ‘questions’ just the re-incarnation of some obnoxious tosser who got kicked off in a previous life?

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  26. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    questions, just fuck off to The Standard.

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  27. dime (9,675 comments) says:

    Wreck – Ive been using Windows 8 RC for maybe 3 months?? maybe longer.

    will be off to buy win 8 pro later today. will also be buying a win 8 tablet when available.

    i dont see the problem. if worse comes to worse ya just go to desktop and it looks like windows 7.

    some of the tech guys online are funny. i thought us tech loving geeks were adaptable to change. but goddam the tears over the no start button thing. just sad.

    can ya explain how it slows you down? is that from staying within metro?

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  28. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    Lance
    Luke mutton et al has a certain resonance

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  29. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    @Lance

    Almost certainly. His overreaching stupidity is fun to watch though.

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  30. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    This is a very humorous summing up of Obamacare in a nutshell

    The new US health care program

    The Obama Plan is the Romney Plan
    and both of them are a total joke

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/health-and-medical-1/the-new-us-health-care-program.html

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  31. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    That trend in favour of Romney that became apparent on Betfair has come to an end.
    Obama’s odds have dropped and Romney’s risen.
    Romney, like a pregnant victim of rape, is rooted.

    Says you…
    Not judging by the reception he got in Colorado from the 10,000-strong crowd.

    Mitt Romney’s Quiet Prayer Amidst The Sound Of Thunder

    As the governor was en route to the amphitheatre they were told the crowd was showing “strong numbers”.  What greeted him was a lot more than just “strong numbers” though.  It was a massive wave of thousands and thousands of supporters.  Before going on the governor apparently peeked out a few times and was shaking his head in disbelief at just how many people were there to see him. 

    He was told by organizers up to a thousand more were turned away because there simply wasn’t any room left.  People said you could feel the size of the crowd under your feet backstage.  Somebody had passed out a ton of “thundersticks” and the people were banging them together and making this amazing rumbling noise.  There were some real veteran campaigners backstage and I’m told they were all blown away by this crowd in Colorado.  It really was like some big time rock show.  Just a huge response for the governor.

    So Governor Romney goes onstage and gives his speech.  The crowd just totally embraces him.  From beginning to end.  Every word.  They are fired up. Loud.  Positive.  Cheering.  Just an amazing moment for the campaign.  Everybody backstage were all smiles and peeking out at all those people and shaking their heads.  This is the kind of moment in a campaign you never forget.  Ever.  

    Nobody who hasn’t experienced it can really understand this feeling.  You’re looking at a candidate being transformed right in front of your eyes into the next Leader of the Free World.  They go from being human into something just a bit more. It’s all those people.  That energy.  It kind of fills the candidate up and makes them bigger than life.  And you are watching it happen in real time.  Right then. 

    The governor returns backstage and he is smiling and shaking hands, taking congratulations from everybody around him.  He’s saying how great it was.  Somebody yells out he’s going to win Colorado and the governor laughs and says he thinks so too.  And then something very interesting happens. 

    He moves away from the group of people just a bit.  Maybe ten or fifteen feet or so.  Just enough to have a little space to himself.  And enough people notice that the area gets a lot more quiet, and they are trying to watch the governor without looking like they are watching the governor.  They can all kind of tell something is happening right then.  It was described as something very peaceful and powerful that came over that backstage area for a moment.  And the governor, he lowers his head and his eyes shut tight and you could see him take a slow deep breath and then he lets it out and says quietly, but just loud enough for some to hear, “Lord, if this is your will, please help to make me worthy.  Please give me the strength Lord.” 

    And then his eyes open up, and he’s back to smiling and laughing and shaking hands and being the candidate once again.
    I’m 100% convinced Mitt Romney was shaken to his soul right then and there. 

    I think at that moment it was sinking in he might really be the next American president, and it humbled him right to his core, in every nerve of his body.  And as he was saying that little prayer, you could hear the sound of thunder from all those thundersticks outside.

    Like this huge low rumble that just surrounded all of them at once. 

    A quiet little prayer, and the sound of thunder.

    The sound of God.

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/10/25/white-house-insider-mitt-romneys-quiet-prayer-amidst-the-sound-of-thunder/

    Doesn’t sound to me like a guy who is on his way out.

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  32. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    questions (58) Says:
    October 26th, 2012 at 9:05 am

    come here questions..I want to smash you into the next universe..piece of shit.

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  33. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    @ liarbors a joke

    That’s what he wants. It’s what he’s here for.

    Don’t give it to him.

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  34. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    This will make our host, DPF, very happy: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/10/25/hillary-secretary-of-state/
    The progressive Hillary could keep her job.

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  35. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Link for the day, a stunning poster!

    https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/548790_523110601051057_1016644418_n.jpg

    Tell us a lot about the merits of either side in the US political scene!

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  36. Elaycee (4,333 comments) says:

    Smoke in the cockpit of a Jetstar A320 this morning….

    The plane (CHC-WLG) turned back to land at CHC. Passengers are now ‘scrambling’ to arrange other flights to get to Wellington….

    Quelle surprise…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10842983
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/7867114/Strange-odour-sparks-Jetstar-emergency

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  37. Lindsay Addie (1,185 comments) says:

    Re the US elections it is of note that the NY Times those liberal defenders of the Obama faith are getting a severe dose of the jitters as they realise that their man is starting to fall behind.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/10/25/nyts-zeleny-closing-days-racelike-watching-08-reverse

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  38. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    TV3 called you a ‘right wing blogger’ this morning. i wouldn’t consider you right-wing, do you see yourself as right?

    Pete doesn’t have any wings. He’s flightless.

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  39. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Lindsay, maybe you should try actually reading what the NYT is saying:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/oct-24-in-polls-romneys-momentum-seems-to-have-stopped/

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  40. Lindsay Addie (1,185 comments) says:

    Luc,

    I don’t have anytime for Silver……………

    He isn’t as accurate as the left think he is, do some research.

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  41. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, in the UK, after today’s dead cat bounce:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/oct/25/george-osborne-recession

    Look for a triple dip recession coming up in Britain.

    Even timid Barack Obama is doing better than the hapless, prissy public-schoolers ruling Britain:

    http://delong.typepad.com/

    Note: the US/UK comparison graphs have shifted to the RHS.

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  42. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Helen’s commissars could be detained! http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/264121-texas-sparks-international-row-with-election-observers

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  43. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Morning all- Questions is just jumping on the ‘Police-bashing’ bandwagon, which is oh-so fashionable this week…
    Read todays Herald editorial, or watch TV news every night- such as Wendy Petrie’s heartfelt concern for all those “troubled children” the big nasty police keep arresting….

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  44. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Sure Lindsay.

    Whatever you say.

    But I was simply pointing out that your premise was not reflecting what is being written in the NYT.

    Perhaps I should have added, for effect:

    “Liar, liar, pants on fire!”

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  45. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Now I could understand if New Zealand Police got up to this sort of shenanigans…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7866622/Police-officer-charged-with-plan-to-cook-eat-women

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  46. Lindsay Addie (1,185 comments) says:

    Luc,

    Do some research on Silver. He’s had some very big misses in his predictions. Don’t take my word for it

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  47. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Questions is just jumping on the ‘Police-bashing’ bandwagon, which is oh-so fashionable this week…

    Makes a change from the Police “bashing” citizens I guess. The history of Policing is one of brutality.
    I know most cops are ok people with good intentions. But they all get drawn into the violent culture.

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  48. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Makes a change from the Police “bashing” citizens I guess. ”

    Is that you Penny?

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  49. Lance (2,565 comments) says:

    Yes and Kea ‘makes shit up’

    It must be true then

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  50. hmmokrightitis (1,572 comments) says:

    No, TBH, kea has a point, every cop I see is in the middle of smacking some random.

    Or not.

    WTF, is it a fucking full moon tonight or what?

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  51. Elaycee (4,333 comments) says:

    questions:

    this is his comeuppance for all the helpless kids and teenagers he no doubt bashed over the head during his career as a a police officer.

    Written by a total stalk as part of his / her application to become a lifetime member of the morons club.

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  52. Chuck Bird (4,773 comments) says:

    I have been shafted in the High Court on Wednesday. I will try to make my tale brief.

    I made the serious mistake of having a good friendship with a lawyer who I loaned money to. He had acted for me on a number of property transactions. If I know then what I now know about him I would never have loaned money.

    I loaned a large amount secured by a mortgage. It was repaid in 2004 and my so called friend seemed appreciative. I thought that was the end of it. However, his repaying me established his credit in my mind. Anyhow I loaned him more money again secured by a second mortgage. After while his third marriage packed up and he threw away thousands to lawyers – at least the one he paid – trying rip he wife off using trust law. That failed and his trust was put in receivership. He would have been bankrupt except he extorted 100k off his wife. The court ruled strongly in her favour and he was liable for her lawyer and the receiver and his lawyer. He told her though a paid negotiator that if she did not leave him with 100k he make her life hell by dragging things out for years up to the Supreme Court if need be. She paid for him to disappear back to Asia.

    A while after that he fell behind with the BNZ who had the first mortgage and they contacted me. When I spoke to him he said he spoke to a good mortgage broker and could get a loan with another bank and pay the BNZ and me. A few days later he told me the bank would loan he almost enough to pay be my 130k but objected to a second mortgage. He persuaded me to let 35k secured by a caveat. I did not know bugger all about caveats trusted him still although our friendship had been strained.

    He told me it was almost as secure as a mortgage and the property could not be sold with the caveat and the caveat cannot be removed without me being notified. I have found out that was not true. When I tried to recover my money he made a vexatious counterclaim as he has done to others. We were both representing ourselves in the District Court. I was trying to get my money and he was asking for money but also trying to get the caveat removed.

    I then find out property is up for auction and the caveat had been removed. He knows I had moved and worked I had not notified LINZ. LINZ wrote to me at my old address and when they did not get a reply they removed the caveat. I had not incurred and legal costs tell then except filing fees. I knew I had to work fast so I seen a barrister who helped with an application for a freezing order without notice which was unsuccessful. I then had no option but to go to the High Court for a second caveat. My Barrister then prepared papers. I represented myself in the High Court because this guy would try to wind my lawyers costs up as he had done to another former friend he owes money to.

    After I filed my papers I get a response from a John Barrett-Boyes, a barrister he had just employed. I go into court and had to sit at the back. The judge did not invite me to the front as Justice Katz did on Wednesday. The Judge did not ask me if I had anything to say. He asked Barrett-Boyes what date suited him for a hearing – 1 Oct or 24 Oct. He chose 24 Oct. The judge then tells us the dates for submissions and basically dismisses us. I then pop up and say with respect Your Honour, “I went to a lot of expense and trouble to get this far. If I leave without saying anything I doubt if I will every see my money whatever the District Court rules. The property has an unconditional contract on it with settlement on 16 Nov. I believe it is highly likely that the respondent will move the settlement date forward and the hearing on 24 Oct will be pointless.

    The judge said, “The Court will be informed if the settlement date is brought forward.” I have some marginal hearing loss. However, I was standing up looking at the judge when he spoke. I then sat down and Barrett-Boyes stood up. His back was to me so I could hardly hear what he was saying. My view of the judge I believe obscured by Barrett-Boyes. I am almost certain the judge did not change his minute/direction after Barrett-Boyes spoke.

    I tried the next day and afterwards to the judges direction in writing from the register in case the judge got run over by a bus. I was unsuccessful.

    When I appeared in the High Court on Wednesday there was a different judge, Justice Katz. She was really nice and fair. The first thing she did was invite me the front of the court along side Barrett-Boyes. She then said to me I do not know what I can do for you Mr Bird – the property has been sold. I said, “I know Your Honour but settlement has not taken place.” She then said, “Settlement was on 16 Oct.” I was shocked and told her what the judge had said. Barrett-Boyes stood up and told denied what the judge had said. He had not notified the Court of the change of settlement date.

    I got up again and I am not sure whether I said that this is not true or that Barrett-Boyes was lying which I believe he was.

    The judge said she could not help me as it was not in her power. Barrett-Boyes jumped up and asked for costs which she immediately declined I have her ruling in writing if anyone wants it. Contact me at chuckbirdnz@gmail.com

    I now doubt I will see any money as I hope and expect that the court will rule in my favour. The money will have disappeared.

    I am set down for a backup hearing at Pukekohe on Monday 29 Oct at 2:15 pm. Time estimate is 3 hours. I would like to get MSM there. Is it not newsworthy enough that just another crooked lawyer is ripping off his friends?

    The purpose of this post is for and bloggers living handy who have an interest in law and justice may like to attend. Please not this is a back up hearing and I will not know for sure till Monday morning that it is going ahead.

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  53. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I have to laugh at some of the ignorant and naive commentors on the topic of the Police. My view is very well informed. It comes from knowing many Police personally and listening to their stories. It comes from what I have seen when I have been out with them. It comes from working “in the system”.

    What informs the views of those blindly defending the Police? Just your ignorant “them” (crims) & “Us” (decent folk) seige mentality.

    I am not anti Police. But lets call a spade-a-spade.

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  54. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Tell us a lot about the merits of either side in the US political scene!

    For those of you who did not look at Luc’s poster it compares the qualifications of such left-wing luminaries as Krugman and Maddow, with the likes of Limbaugh.

    I think it’s excellent that Luc and most of the rest of the Left-wing still don’t get it, but perhaps this will help:

    Michael Joseph Savage – left school aged 12
    Peter Fraser – left school before the age of 12
    Norman Kirk – left school when nearly 13

    And the modern Left wonder why they’ve lost the votes of the working class? It’s as great a tribute to their intellect as can be found.

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  55. Lance (2,565 comments) says:

    @Kea
    I have exactly the same experience as your first paragraph but I dismiss your conclusions utterly.

    I observed their patience with a never ending stream of violent thugs, smart arses and society as it most base. Most members of the public have no fucking idea how bad it is out there.

    So I find your cheap shots as ignorant and shallow

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  56. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    What a load of bollocks kea. I also know many police have worked with them closely and except for the odd ratbag, a nicer bunch you could not hope to find.

    They are constantly let down by the system and most of the improvements needed are societal changes outside the police (eg welfare, Cyfs etc)

    On many occasions I have been in discussions with police who were terrified and at their wits end because yet another homicidal maniac was due to be released on parole or bail, guaranteed to kill or maim again.

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  57. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Clare Curran in the news…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7867686/Labour-questions-Kordia-job-cuts

    Curran said yesterday that the call centre job cuts had resulted from National removing the social responsibility clause “which ensures SOEs have to take into account community interests”.

    She today acknowledged Kordia was still bound by the clause, but said it had been undermined by National’s plan to remove the obligation from companies such as Mighty River Power that it intended to sell down into a “mixed ownership model”.

    “What I am saying is what that means is other SOEs are taking their lead from that.”

    What planet is that woman on???

    I guess the answer is “Planet Labour”. As I recall the same Planet where Lees-Galloway tried to claim that a local supermarket was in breach of the law regarding alcohol placement when the legislation had not yet (and still has not) been passed!

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  58. Nostalgia-NZ (5,045 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird.

    Perhaps one of the lawyers on here might be able to help.
    I’m perplexed as to why you didn’t have a barrister representing you on the first occasion in the High Court, or that you had none of the communications and directions from the Court sent to you or the lawyer after the first hearing.
    This also puzzles me ‘I believe it is highly likely that the respondent will move the settlement date forward and the hearing on 24 Oct will be pointless.’ How did you know that, or why did you suspect it might happen.
    Bloody rotten situation to end up in. If any of the lawyers comment on here I’m sure it will be tell you to get legal advice before Monday and make sure you’re represented. Maybe you are going to have to take legal action against the mortgage defaulter on the basis he was well informed of a/ the purpose of the caveat and b/ those purposes hadn’t been served when the caveat was lifted without your knowledge.
    Good luck anyway.

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  59. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    @Kea
    I have exactly the same experience as your first paragraph but I dismiss your conclusions utterly.

    I observed their patience with a never ending stream of violent thugs, smart arses and society as it most base. Most members of the public have no fucking idea how bad it is out there.

    So I find your cheap shots as ignorant and shallow

    I agree with your first conclusion Lance, but not your second.

    Your all-or-nothing thinking, is not an indication of a reasoned position. You also over look cosiderable common ground between us.

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  60. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Talking about wowsers: today’s cartoon from the bleeding-heart, Chardonnay-drinking, Labourite Tom Scott.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/tom-scott-cartoons/

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  61. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Some time ago commentator mikenmild disagreed with me when I said that Joe Biden was the stupidest VP the USA had seen in decades – way more stupid than Quayle for example.

    Although the VP’s are largely irrelevant to the US election, it’s still worth pointing Biden out, since Obama’s first exercise of judgement as a Presidential nominee in 2008 was to select this clown – to add “gravitas”. And it’s worth looking at the following clever little video: Biden vs. Biden.

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  62. tarnya (1 comment) says:

    The government is proposing to make early childhood education compulsory for those on the DPB. This includes widows or women whose partners leave them for another woman or whatever circumstances not of their making. I have asked for those who have experience personal tragedy to be exempted from these requirements for 2 years. I don’t think compulsory preschool serves either the widow or her young child after the loss of a husband and a Daddy. It should be her choice to choose what is best for her child. Separation anxiety is increased in a time of grief. This welfare reform will have unintended negative consequences for women and children during a most vulnerable season. I was widowed in 2010. I am no longer dependant on welfare but forcing me to put my child in preschool etc would have added to my grief http://www.buildyourwebsite.co.nz/submission-regarding-welfare-reforms-to-the-dpb/

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  63. Chuck Bird (4,773 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ, Thank you for your interest.

    I will explain a little more why I did not have a lawyer. I all ready told how this person extorted 100k off his former wife by threats of protracted litigation. Another former friend of his is also a former lawyer but in his case he is a honest one. He owed him money as well. This guy turned this legitimate debt over to a debt collector. The initial debt was about 12 to 15k. With the debt collectors charges it got to $21,645. This guy retaliated by suing him for 300k in the High Court on the grounds he mismanaged his trust as a trustee.

    This honest lawyer like Don Brash never used to swear till this happened. He is now. Due to health concerns this guy is paying for a barrister. He told me to date he has spent about 30k to his barrister to defend this vexatious charge. His bills are still climbing.

    I believe now that I stand little chance of recovering my legitimate debt whatever a judge rules. I have lost my security.

    I mentioned I have employed a barrister for assistance. I paid one bill of $2300 and she has been very fair with her bill as she know I am telling her the complete truth. I am expecting to have another one of about 4k. Most barristers insist on doing the whole job or nothing. If I turned everything to my barrister in the High Court or District Court I could see my bills going to 50k. I would lose that as well as my debt what ever the court rules.

    I may have done better if I had my barrister represent my in the High Court. I do not want to criticize the first High Court Judge who I have not named at this stage. I have sent him a memo through the register requesting he say what his minute/direction was. If you email me I would be happy to sent you Justice Katz ruling.

    As I said my reason for this post is to hopefully attract the media to my hearing at Pukekohe on Monday 29 Oct at 2:15 pm if – hopefully some mainstream. I am happy to judged by the court of public opinion.

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  64. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Iwi to appeal port dredging

    Posted at 11:43am Friday 26th Oct, 2012 | By Andrew Campbell andrew@thesun.co.nz

    Consent to dredge the Port of Tauranga shipping channels is being taken to the Court of Appeal.

    Last month the High Court dismissed Tauranga hapu Ngati Ruahine’s appeal to stop consent to widen and deepen the shipping channel to allow bigger ships access to the port.

    “Unfortunately, we received notice last week that Ngati Ruahine is appealing to the Court of Appeal.

    “Ngati Ruahine is a hapu of Ngati Ranginui iwi, one of twenty four hapu that make up the Tauranga Moana Collective.”

    “We consider that it has been undertaken with a great deal of mutual respect and co-operation from most hapu,” says Mark.

    “One of the proposed resource consent conditions requires the establishment of a new trust that will set priorities and allocate funds for harbour improvement projects.
    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/33819-iwi-to-appeal-port-dredging.html
    ———————-

    More brownmail attempts by the contemptible.

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  65. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    I find myself agreeing with you re the police Kea. Many who join are young and naive and then once they are in there , they are very socially isolated , more so in different parts of the country. Then the whole ”us and them” thing really kicks in.

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  66. KevinH (1,160 comments) says:

    The Herald reports:
    “The operation against the gang was overseen by the Organised and Financial Crime Agency of New Zealand (Ofcanz) and headed by Detective Inspector Grant Wormald, who also headed the joint raid on internet millionaire Kim Dotcom’s mansion for the agency.”

    “President of the Criminal Bar Association and former undercover policeman Tony Bouchier said the agency’s involvement in the two high-profile cases raised questions about its methods.”

    Police Minister Anne Tolley yesterday defended Ofcanz and its methods.

    “I have no doubts that Ofcanz are doing their very best to fulfil their function, which is to make sure that we do not have organised crime continuing to operate in our country.

    “We cannot tie both hands behind their backs and expect them to be able to break into and break up these very sophisticated criminal organisations.”

    :The three cases where the integity of the Police Ofcanz office have been called into question , Urerewa Raids, Dotcom, and now the Red Devils raise serious concerns about the operational methods and conduct of Police investigating these cases because the thin edge of the law is being bent to breaking point.
    There are no short cuts on the big jobs, you have to dot your i’s and cross your t’s, no bull, because in court you will get exposed. You can’t beat old fashioned leg work, observation and getting the facts right before you jump.

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  67. dime (9,675 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_g5d273tig

    Outstanding! a fake romney interview on stern

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  68. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    On the buffoon Biden: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82897.html

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  69. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7868213/Begging-Its-a-tale-of-two-cities

    “The pair met during the Occupy Protest”
    Pretty much sums up the calibre of ‘Protester’ involved in the laughable ‘Occupy movement’.
    Rather than changing the world most were just lounging around off their faces on booze and drugs, while defiling public property..

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  70. Scott Chris (5,981 comments) says:

    This is funny.

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  71. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    You got it Joana. Shift work is also a factor for the Police. It is very damaging socially. They often work and play with other cops. Part of this problem is because of the difficulties they (can) face going out for a few beers, ect. They end up with a very distorted view of the people they are policing and lose perspective. They can get a bit bitter and twisted about stuff. I understand why, its just an observation. Many cops have told me this themselves.

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  72. DJP6-25 (1,313 comments) says:

    Fletch 9:29. That’s good news.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  73. tom hunter (4,568 comments) says:

    Oh my god, the Obama campaign just jumped the shark with this advert, featuring Girls star Lena Dunham:

    “Your first time shouldn’t be with just anybody. You want to do it with a great guy,”

    Eeeeeewwwuuuuu.

    I loved this comment on it:

    And you thought Obama had lousy numbers with men BEFORE his campaign said voting for him was like having sex with him.

    Muhahahahaha

    And it actually gets worse, as spotted by Foreign Policy magazine of all places:

    A suggestive ad rallying support for Putin’s presidential campaign shows a young woman seeking a fortune-teller’s advice. “Let’s find out, cutie, who is intended to you by destiny,” the mystic says. The girl replies, “You know. I wish it to be for love — It is my first time.”

    Double Eeeeeewwwuuuuu.

    So this is what Obama is getting in return for being more “flexible” with Vlad The Impaler.

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  74. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    This is very interesting, a world currency war simulation from a govt advisor who “war-games” for the intelligence and monetary communities so they can train for the worst. It’s very interesting how he builds the scenario from where we are today.

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  75. KiwiGreg (3,224 comments) says:

    @ tom that was sick-making.

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  76. Lucia Maria (2,239 comments) says:

    Tom,

    Truly awful.

    I might put that on my blog .. or, maybe not. I need a cup of tea.

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  77. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    If Maori had predicted the end of the fifth age like the Mayan’s did, I bet they would have charged for the use of it leading up to 21/12/2012.
    http://zen-haven.com/maya-demand-an-end-to-doomsday-myth/

    Eye control for tablets and phones:
    http://www.france24.com/en/20121024-danes-develop-eye-control-software-phones-tablets

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  78. Fletch (6,151 comments) says:

    Hillary could have the power to exonerate herself re: Benghazi, and make Obama lose the election – if she wanted –

    Ed Klein: Bill Clinton ‘Urging’ Hillary to Release Benghazi Documents That Would ‘Exonerate’ Her, Destroy Obama’s Re-Election Hopes

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered additional security for the U.S. mission in Benghazi ahead of the terrorist attack but the orders were never carried out, according to “legal counsel” to Clinton who spoke to best-selling author Ed Klein. Those same sources also say former President Bill Clinton has been “urging” his wife to release official State Department documents that prove she called for additional security at the compound in Libya, which would almost certainly result in President Obama losing the election.

    Appearing on TheBlazeTV’s “Wilkow!” on Wednesday night, Klein told host Andrew Wilkow that Bill and Hillary Clinton have been having “big fights” for “two or three weeks” about the issue, according to his two sources on Clinton’s legal counsel. While Bill Clinton wishes his wife would “exonerate” herself by releasing the documents that show she wasn’t at fault for the tragic security failure in Libya, the secretary of state refuses to do so because she doesn’t want to be viewed as a traitor to the Democratic party.

    More –

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ed-klein-bill-clinton-urging-hillary-to-release-benghazi-documents-that-would-exonerate-her-destroy-obamas-re-election-hopes/

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  79. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Anyone following the UK hacker extradition to US refusal case? It’s got some parallels to how we’re expected to behave over Dotcom. Anyway, turns out the Home Secretary didn’t contact her US counterpart till five days after the decision. Now he refuses to take her calls. Crikey.

    His comments follow accusations that Theresa May’s relationship with the US is “finished”, as she admitted she had not spone to the US attorney-general Eric Holder for at least five days after Mr McKinnon’s extradition was blocked.
    The Home Secretary has tried to play down suggestions that she had let the US Government believe that she would go ahead with the extradition.

    The Daily Telegraph disclosed on Saturday that a furious Mr Holder was refusing to take Mrs May’s phone calls because of the decision. Officials have described the US’s relationship with Mrs May as “finished”.

    The row over Mr McKinnon is threatening to become the biggest cooling in trans-Atlantic relations since Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi was released three years ago.

    Mr Holder is said personally to feel “completely screwed” by Mrs May’s decision not to extradite Mr McKinnon because of doctors’ fears that he might kill himself.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9629768/Gary-McKinnon-US-official-very-disappointed-over-decision-to-block.html

    Fletch thanks for the above, I’ve been following that story. Apparently Bill Clinton can’t stand Obama, notwithstanding he stumps for him, but he does that for the party not Obama. But yeah, those papers are political dynamite – they are war decisive because they lead down a dangerous trail for Obama whereby the whole incident is picked over two weeks before the election. Not that they’d ever tell the real truth, they’d only go so far. So once again the media would control who becomes Pres which is simply insurance, other people have already decided who it is long ago and they’re playing it all like a violin.

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  80. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    I just listened to a report on Checkpoint that says the school principal who used drug dogs in his school has been told not to because student rights shouldn’t be infringed and if a school knows a pupil is using drugs they should continue to educate them and assist with appropriate counselling. The report didn’t explain whether or not someone ever asked during the hearing, just precisely how the school was supposed to “know” a pupil was using drugs if the one thing that could tell them was taken away.

    But there’s human rights for you, isn’t it. I mean you’d think the mentals would get the profoundly elementary fact that it would be a very good thing indeed to identify young drug users for drugs and young minds don’t mix, ever. And that maybe just maybe its more beneficial for them if they weren’t allowed to do anything they wanted to, in the name of human wights.

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  81. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Reid

    …”other people have already decided who it is long ago and they’re playing it all like a violin.”….

    You have already stated that you have no preference over Tweedle Dum as opposed to Tweedle Dee but who do you see crossing the line on 6th Nov?

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  82. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    I don’t know nasska, I honestly don’t know. If I had to pick it would be Romney. He’s got Bush support.

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  83. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    C’mon Reid. Say Romney any time, any day, over the incompetent Messiah, darling of progressives around the world.

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  84. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    THE LESSON FOR TODAY IS IRONY…

    The Food Bank Program, administered by Social Welfare Canada, is actually proud of the fact it is distributing the
    Greatest amount of free meals and food vouchers ever!

    Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the Canada Parks and Natural Resources, asks us to “Please Do Not Feed the
    Animals.” Their stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of
    Themselves.

    This ends today’s lesson!

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  85. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    The Christchurch City Council is not being open with the Government about its finances, says Finance Minister Bill English.

    If a business were in the council’s situation, it would be in danger of receivership, he said.

    But the council did not understand its predicament, English told the annual Family Help Trust fundraiser in Christchurch yesterday.

    Mayor Bob Parker said the comment was “frankly outrageous”, disrespectful of the council and contradicted two financial strategies released in the past two years.

    English said the city council may not be able to meet its 40 per cent share of the cost to rebuild infrastructure, but it was not providing the Government with the information needed to plan a compromise.

    “I’d have to say they are not reaching the benchmark of co-operation. When such a large chunk [of money] is coming from Government, we would expect an open book, because technically – if they were a business – they would be put into receivership and we would be the creditor to do it.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/rebuilding-christchurch/7866902/English-slates-council-finances

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  86. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    A very good outline of who they are:

    http://deanhenderson.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/the-house-of-rothschild/

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  87. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Superman makes himself unemployed…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9628552/Superman-quits-The-Daily-Planet-over-the-state-of-journalism.html

    If I’d been Superman I would have done this years ago, I don’t even know why he does need an alter-ego. If I was him I’d just strut around in my cape all the time, I mean what do I care, I’m Superman, the real one.

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  88. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    Reid

    I read the link. Doubtlessly it contains fact but I reckon the writer might be getting a bit carried away with the excitement. For example according to the World Gold Council, ” It has been estimated that all the gold mined by the end of 2009 totaled 165,000 tonnes”. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve

    To suggest that ” 200 million tons of the stuff belonging to the Bank of Nova Scotia was recovered from beneath the carnage of the World Trade Center. ” might be verging on hyperbole.

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  89. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    I read the link also. How very illuminati[ng]

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  90. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    I agree nasska, perhaps he made a conflation of worth with weight, he might have meant 200 tons. I think that was always the figure from my 911 reading on that gold haul. That would still be a lot. I wonder if Guilianni really did pull hundreds of workers off the day after they found it. That would be interesting to know. And rather sinister.

    Agree bhudson it’s spooky stuff. Not to me, I’ve read so much about this stuff this is common knowledge to me, but to many it’s a shock so some chose to disbelieve not on historical grounds but on emotional which as Spock was fond of saying, that is totally illogical. But I’ve read enough to know he’s correct on the general picture he draws. The things he talks about really did happen along the lines he explains, and far more than that if you’d read what I have about them.

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  91. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    A golfer’s drive lands on an anthill. Rather than move the ball,
    he decides to hit it where it lies. He gives a mighty swing.
    A cloud of dirt and sand and ants explodes from the end
    of his club, but the golf ball remains in the same spot.

    So he lines up and tries another shot. A cloud of dirt and
    sand and ants goes flying again. The golf ball doesn’t even
    wiggle.

    Two ants survive. One dazed ant says to the other,
    “Whoa. What are we going to do?”

    Says the other ant: “I don’t know about you, but I’m going
    to get on the ball.”

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  92. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Agree bhudson it’s spooky stuff

    I guess it was my own fault for leaving off the /sarc tag

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  93. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    I guess it was my own fault for leaving off the /sarc tag

    No I got it bhudson, I just ignored it. :)

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  94. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    This is the best riders-eye view movie on a racing bike I have ever seen.

    It’s Joey Dunlop in 1983 on the Isle of Man TT circuit, with a movie-quality camera on the bike doing a test lap.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHDlYhthsUE

    It’s not the whole thing but I couldn’t find the rest on the web. I’ve seen it before,

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  95. Viking2 (11,283 comments) says:

    Love Story

    I will seek and find you.

    I shall take you to bed and have my way with you.

    I will make you ache, shake & sweat until you moan & groan.

    I will make you beg for mercy, beg for me to stop.

    I will exhaust you to the point that you will be
    relieved when I’m finished with you.

    And, when I am finished, you will be weak for days.

    All my love,

    The Flu

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  96. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    V2- Your 7:20pm lesson is brilliant! Will go straight over the heads of our ‘leftie’ friends though…

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  97. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    An Irishman is sitting in the pub with his wife and he says, “I love you.”

    She asks, “Is that you or the beer talking?”

    He replies, “It’s me talking to the beer.”

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  98. Yvette (2,745 comments) says:

    The current BAT television campaign is either advertising by a tobacco company, or, taking the other tack – a supposed altruistic issue of general branding rights – it is sponsorship by a tobacco company.
    Both tobacco advertising and sponsorship were banned in 1995.
    Just saying …

    [really krap ads – and they do piss me off when they show twice in the same ad break – as does any ad repeated 30 seconds after itself, like my fucking memory span is only 29 seconds]

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  99. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    They’re not talking to you Yvette. They’re talking to your subconscious. Whether that’s a good thing, hey.

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  100. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Speaking of whacko ideas a 2010 UMR poll of Nzers showed this (scary, although I’m not sure how representative some of these polls are).

    “Back in October 2010, we asked New Zealanders which of a range of so-called conspiracy theories they thought might be true.

    30% of New Zealanders thought that it was likely that ‘officials in the United States of America government were directly responsible for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy’.

    28% think that the ‘United States government is withholding proof of the existence of intelligent life from other planets

    23% of New Zealanders believed that ‘people in the United States of America government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East.’

    60% of New Zealanders believe that scientific claims about climate change and rising temperatures around the world have been deliberately exaggerated.

    20% think the United States government staged or faked the Apollo moon landing.

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  101. Reid (16,111 comments) says:

    Kev I wonder why the survey asked those questions in that way, thereby emphasizing the US govt?

    It’s just in the conspiracy world the normal analysis is not around who but around what, but whenever people who don’t know anything about it talk about it, they always phrase the question in terms of the who. The question of for example: has the full story of 911 been completely explained is quite different to the question of: was the US govt involved in 911. But amatuers and disinformation agents always ask the latter and never the former, either to others or apparently, to themselves.

    This of course denigrates the real topic and elevates the conflation, which is precisely what one would do if one were a politician and wanted to talk about x, when the journalists asks about the y. So it’s curious to see a pollster take the same course, because I thought their “science” would accurately reveal everything, all of the time. Unless of course they didn’t understand anything about the subjects they were asking about. The poor bastards.

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  102. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “really krap ads – and they do piss me off ..”

    Crap is spelled with a C.

    Sorry- ‘Txt Speak’ is my pet hate…

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  103. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    A as in anal

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  104. Pete George (23,345 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan (809 electors from October 8-24, 2012):

    National 43.5% (up 2% since September 24 — October 7, 2012).
    Labour 29% (down 4.5%)
    Greens 13% (down 0.5%)
    New Zealand First 7.5% (up 1%)
    Maori Party 3.5% (up 2%)
    Conservative Party of NZ 2% (unchanged)
    ACT NZ 0.5% (unchanged)
    Mana Party 0.5% (up 0.5%)

    http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4833/

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  105. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Reid since the x- files is fiction it must be who, not what, unless you know of another species?

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  106. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “A as in anal”

    Sorry but it annoys me that the English language is allowed to be continually bastardised and destroyed but God help us if we even slightly mispronounce one of the fucking sacred ‘Te Reo’ words we are forever bombarded with these days.
    Just imagine the howls of outrage if someone publicly misspelt or mispronounced a Maori word-Pita Sharples would call for a rehaul of our Education system, Tariana would liken it to a Holocaust, and Hone and co would call for a civil war. Thankfully Chris Finlayson would be there to save the day with his trusty chequebook..(Thank Heavens ancient Taniwha can be appeased in modern NZ dollars..)

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  107. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    “I hate the All Blacks,” signed.
    Longknives, Kea, RF, Big Bruv,

    And if that isn’t enough for you, then I really hate the way they do the Haka.

    (see GD 25/10)

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  108. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Finally seen the light Bereal?

    What was it that finally turned you off the most arrogant sports team on the planet?- Tana ‘Spear Tackle’ Umaga having the audacity to whine about All Blacks being “targeted” on the news? Or was it Ali ‘ I’m a Comedian’ Williams smirking when asked if he is going to be on the end of year tour? (back in the good old days players were selected on form/merit)

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  109. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Now there we have a classic, ‘Self hater.”

    Question is, Why do Longknives etc Hate our national team and themselves so much. ?

    Of course, this says more about the sad sack self hating Longknives than he would
    care to admit.

    Consider it Longknives.

    Why do you hate yourself so much ?

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  110. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Bereal- I kind of like myself! Not much ‘self hate’ going on at all sorry….
    Can’t stand those arrogant All Blacks though…what other sports team on the freaking planet demands that their opponent stand there meekly while they hiss, spit,scream and make throat slitting gestures at them? All this BEFORE the bloody game has started?
    And god help any team that doesn’t stand there looking frightened- because if you dare ‘disrespect’ the haka they cry racism and run howling to the IRB….(as happened when the Welsh stood their ground a few years ago)

    Arrogant, Prima Donna tossers….

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  111. big bruv (13,571 comments) says:

    bereal

    I never realised what a truly sad individual you are.

    Is your life so empty, so barren of anything decent that you have to define yourself via a rugby team?

    I pity you.

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  112. Griff (7,008 comments) says:

    @longknifes
    I believe that the use of colloquialism is appropriate at some times in communication. In the case you highlighted Yvette was placing an aside under her post that was bracketed as separate from her comment. This was to signify her change in approach from formal to a more informal delivery. You ignored this and attacked her English unreasonably.The language changes and adapts. It is best if us oldies adapt along with it rather than cry for a mythical past.

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