General Debate 28 October 2012

October 28th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    hmmm..where is everyone?

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  2. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    … tap … tap … tap …

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  3. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Watching rerun of The Nation. Russel Norman being interviewed. Interviewed? They might as well have just asked the Greens for a press release – it would have saved money and provided no less actual scrutiny of Greens policy

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  4. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Bill English has tried to dismiss as “not a priority” worthwhile bills like Paid Parental Leave and essential discussions on Super, so it’s very strange National are trying to progress a bill to jail non existent boat people.

    Unless Nathan Guy can get support from the Maori Party or Winston “refusing to give any assurances” Peters his Clayton’s bill – a bill you have when you don’t need a bill – then it looks like failing at the second reading.

    Peter Dunne has called the plans inhumane and said he would need a “mountain of persuasion” to change his mind and support it.

    This is surely a not-a-priority bill, Bill. “Mountain of persuasion” on boat people jail plan.

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  5. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    hudson

    Why do you do it to yourself?

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  6. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Apparently the answer to our balance of payments deficits is to make imports more expensive.

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  7. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    PG

    Paid parental leave is not a worthwhile Bill. Expecting others to pay for your breeding is not socially responsible. It is selfish and greedy.

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  8. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Know thine enemy tdvm.

    Or perhaps I am a masochist and just enjoy the mental torment of watching it

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  9. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    hudson

    Excellent idea. We’ll repudiate our trade agreements and re-introduce import duties. A win win. Better still, we could also restrict imports to those with overseas funds, just like the goo old days.

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  10. southtop (265 comments) says:

    Wet Sunday morning – questions for day:
    Is Benghazi going to destroy Obamas run to line?
    Is it finally all over for Ali Williams now that some young Bird destroyed him in the line out?
    When will we see a REAL political party on the right OR will Colin Craig step aside (but stay involved) if a leader not prone to foot in mouth could be found?

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  11. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Well, you could complete the whole S&M effect if you wired your temples to the power plug while you watch it.

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  12. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    tvdm,

    It would seem the magazine of silver bullets also includes exporting our renewable technology IP – it would seem that the rest of the world has not yet discovered these things we in NZ call the sun, wind and water. We could create and corner a global market here.

    I wonder what the Chinese have been doing building photovoltaic cells much cheaper and undermining the German solar power manufacturing industry if they haven’t actually discovered renewable energy yet?

    No matter. Rusesel has spoken – clearly we can do this better. Because we are smaller. And have less capital. And less infrastructure. And higher manufacturing costs. And greater transportation costs.

    It’s a winner!

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  13. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    Warm and dry Sunday morning – answers for the day:

    No; Unfortunately.
    Who cares? The franchise no longer has any meaning.
    Yes, if those involved finally realise that the slime will be against them and use other more honest media to get their point across and no.

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  14. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    hudson

    Our natural competitive advantage though, is that our sun, wind and water is greener than everybody else’s so that even if China’s ability to produce greeny stuff on production lines that produce about a gazillion units in the blink of an eye at one millionth of the cost of the same units produced here at a rate of one a week, our product will be greener and thereby more saleable at a price one million percent more than the Chinese product.

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  15. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    tdvm,

    Ah, I see! So we are going to manufacture our way to prosperity through the ETS advantages our greener green technology will have. Such brilliance!

    What is a carbon credit worth again?

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  16. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Bteer still on a Sunday morning.
    Seems someoen somewhere in the hllowed halls of power have been doing some thinking at last.

    New Zealand has been tipped to quit the Kyoto Protocol, designed to cut global emissions.

    Government officials next month travel to Doha in Qatar for the latest round of negotiations on the treaty, but with less than four weeks before the summit, acting Climate Change Minister Simon Bridges says the Government has “not made a decision” on its commitment.

    “My understanding is that decisions have yet to be made on that matter,” he said.
    But the actions of participants in the carbon market, and market signs, suggest the Government is preparing to walk away. It will soon pass legislation that critics claim will weaken an already ineffectual emissions trading scheme, the mechanism designed to put a price on carbon and encourage a transition to a lower-carbon economy.

    it is said in government circles that China’s emissions increase daily by New Zealand’s entire annual carbon output.

    Facts starting to make sense.

    Well well well. Not before time.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7873305/New-Zealand-may-quit-Kyoto
    ———————————-

    Oh dear I’ve just realized that had fucked GD for the day. Luc and Wuzzell and all will be along shortly to fill the ionosphere with incoherent rambling about global warming and the demise of the world and peak oil et al.

    Have a nice day. Lovely day in the bay.

    Ha just read all the above. Russel is stuffed isn’t he.

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  17. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    V2,

    Well David Cunliffe has already claimed that the proposed changes to our ETS will lead to human extinction within his children’s, or their children’s, lifetimes, so I think it’s a safe bet.

    [Not at all prone to melodrama that Cunliffe chap, is he?]

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  18. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    A teenager was “almost disembowelled” after a 19-year-old lunged at him with a knife and cut him at a party in Whangarei.

    The incident, on Friday night, was the first of two stabbings in Northland within a day.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7873420/Teen-nearly-disembowelled-at-party

    “When party hosts turned away a gate crasher, he lunged at a 17-year-old party goer with a knife that cut across his stomach, almost disembowelling him,” Inspector Tracy Phillips said.

    “Luckily an ambulance was within 60 metres of the scene dealing with an other unrelated matter and were able to assist the victim. Had they not been so close police could have been dealing with a homicide.”
    —– IMHO, anyone carrying a knife that is used in this way should get 10 years automatic and anyone carrying should get 3 months immediate and automatic. We take away drivers licenses after some offenses like driving to fast but we allow bad bastards to carry knives and then have the priviledge of a lawuyer and going through a court process.
    WHY????
    If crusher is as tough as others think she should deal to this urgent.

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  19. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    t may seem an unlikely alliance, but Judith Collins and Barack Obama are on the same page when it comes to drug crime.

    The Justice Minister has just returned from a week-long trip to the US to see drug courts in session.

    The $2 million New Zealand pilot was expected to deal with around 100 offenders a year and was forecast to reduce recidivism rates by around 8 per cent. “I’d like to hope we can do better,” Collins said.
    ————————
    i.e. $20k per person. From the taxpayer.
    Plus of course all the benfits etc that person already gets from the state(sorry taxpayer).

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7873330/Collins-tunes-in-to-US-drug-plan

    Oh dear more pet projects.

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  20. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Another good look for the police. Didn’t even pay the bill.

    Nelson barrister Tony Bamford represented a police officer, posing as gang associate Michael Wiremu Wilson, when he and 21 other Red Devils were charged in June 2010.

    The charges against the undercover cop were fake and police arranged the operation to bolster his credentials after he infiltrated the gang, where he was under suspicion of being a police officer.

    When his cover was blown he disappeared, and his bill is unpaid

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7873351/Lawyer-wants-pay-after-court-sting

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  21. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Crusher” is real tough on white middle class boys with noisy cars, but weak as piss on Maori gangs making and selling P and committing real and violent crimes.

    Why is Crusher so paralysed on Maori gangs?

    For one thing, she might have to face the indescribable horror of someone (like Pita Sharples) calling her “racist”.

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  22. Yvette (2,819 comments) says:

    … about 85 per cent of world carbon emissions are not covered by international reduction agreements, and it is said in government circles that China’s emissions increase daily by New Zealand’s entire annual carbon output.

    The Sustainability Council’s Simon Terry said he did not expect New Zealand to accept a second set of Kyoto commitments in Doha, and he would not go himself because he could not justify the emissions produced to get there.
    The Green Party last week tried to force the Government’s hand, arguing New Zealand should show leadership.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7873305/New-Zealand-may-quit-Kyoto

    Leadership would be to entirely scrap the ETS
    Again, where are the guys who thought it up …

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  23. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Here is a good tune from way way back and just right for a sunday morning I think.

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  24. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    And just to make a lot of days for some.

    Plans for a gay men’s retirement village are on the drawing board in Auckland.

    A group of ageing gays say they want to be able to retire among their peers, instead of facing potential discrimination in traditional, heterosexual rest homes.

    The proposal at this stage is in its infancy, but may eventually result in the group buying units in an apartment building, sharing a swimming pool and garden, and hiring a care worker or “houseboy” to live in the complex.

    Spokesman Mike Keegan said the village was first mooted after the community heard about a group of gay women who were also considering a retirement home.

    “The lesbians were looking at the concept. So we said if the lesbians can do it why can’t the gay guys do it?” he said.

    A survey conducted by the group of 60 gay men found 100 per cent would prefer a retirement lifestyle choice other than what was currently available.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-sport/7873916/Gay-and-retiring-Time-to-join-the-village-people

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  25. Stamper (32 comments) says:

    Bye bye Kyoto
    BEST news I’ve read in weeks!!

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  26. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    Stamper – wont happen, they have to look like they are “doing something”. The new “government” in 2014 would reinstate it anyway.

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  27. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Watching the Luddite chief comrade on TV? bhudson, are you a masochist?
    Re: ETS. Why is the tax still standing? Why hasn’t been scrapped by Labour lite?

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  28. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    Redbaiter@8:54

    “Why is Crusher so paralysed on Maori gangs?

    For one thing, she might have to face the indescribable horror of someone (like Pita Sharples) calling her “racist”.”

    You got it in one. But dont forget other fellow travellers such as Chris Finlayson.

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  29. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    Melbourne City Council elections were held yesterday. Not just Melbourne City, but over 80 councils across the state of Victoria.

    Its compulsory to vote, otherwise you get a $50 fine! Every candidate has a “How to Vote Card”, ordering all candidates in order of preference. Every morning this week one of them has been handing them out at the train station on the way to work. When you vote, you can ignore their preference and just order yourself.

    No less than 5 of my friends were standing for election, but none in my ward, so I couldn’t vote for any of them.

    Two counting systems are used
    – Preferential Voting
    – Proportional counting

    Election nerds check this out for a complex voting system: https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/vote/vote-about-propcount.html

    So at some stage, once the computers finish their distribution, the lucky candidates will find out!

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  30. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    Viking @8:51 – “When his cover was blown he disappeared, and his bill is unpaid.”

    Oh the horror – FFS – The guy has now gone into hiding because of the risk to his life and this trougher wants to be “paid”. Dick.

    And the upper court judges are surprised that all the lower court judges dont see a problem with what the police did. Maybe thats because the upper court judges are wrong and completely out of touch. Nah, that couldnt be it, sitting cocooned in their ivory towers.Common sense – long gone.

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  31. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Yep and the judges drive home from their secure car park and open their secure electronic gates and drive through. Sounds like a few places round the world I know….

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  32. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    So Bill is going to solve the housing crisis.

    I don’t think so. Too many councils, too many Govt. rules and fuckups etc etc.

    Hickey reckons he knows as well. Really Its all the fault of those who already own a house or as the Porrirua Mayor reckons his generation just can’t afford the 4 bedroom with ensuite, spare office inbulit garage, double glazzed insulated with every other conceivable mod con type house. Well of course not, we couldn’t either when we bought our first house. In fact mine was a wreck which I spent nights and weekends repairing way back in the 60’s. I didn’t own a cellphone nor a car nor evenm a telly. Just went and worked my arse off 60 hours a week for $25.00 a WEEK. (note. NOT $25 per hour like these entitled pricks.)
    Too much I want and want it now so give it too me attitude.
    Piss off the lazy.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10843323

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  33. Fairfacts Media (372 comments) says:

    The Fraudster in chief is cheating again.
    This time in Ohio.
    http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/26/is-voter-fraud-being-committed-in-ohio/

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  34. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “….So Bill is going to solve the housing crisis…”

    Stick a hammer and two bricks up your backside and your then ENTITLED to a freehold home.

    Chuck in a stepladder and you get a second story.

    NZ’s getting all anal over ‘entitlement’ :cool:

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  35. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    “Why is Crusher so paralysed on Maori gangs?”

    There is no ‘war’ on drugs because the government only fights half of it.

    They won’t fight the ‘demand’ side of the economic equation with drug dogs in public places like gay niteclubs, train stations, parks, and the toilets at media and real estate industry xmas partys.

    Cars need to be searched too. There is no reason why drug dogs cannot be used at checkpoints.

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  36. Reid (16,449 comments) says:

    PG @ 8:13. Boats are going to start arriving sooner rather than later, it’s amazing it hasn’t already happened. If they get here the boats will be the larger variety so we’re looking at around 200+ people each time and once it happens once it will start happening on a regular basis. Australia gets this many.

    These are people who most likely aren’t well educated, they will have no money, they can’t speak English, they will have nothing but the clothes they arrive with, they could easily have significant diseases like tuberculosis or malaria which would cost us millions to treat. The human rights idiots don’t explain how this massive drain on resources which these people represent is supposed to be dealt with, all they do is wring their stupid hands and weep over the humanity. Which is not the point.

    I predict what will happen with the first boatload is the human rights idiots will rush down to the beach and rend their clothes in anguish and then people like Deborah Manning and the media will make the whole issue into a media farce like what happened with Ahmed Zaoui. And the other boat people still to arrive or more correctly the people who make money from shipping them, will watch carefully to see what this country does with the first boat load of them.

    The Immigration Protection Tribunal can’t be trusted to do its job, the predecessor of that body heard the Zaoui case and guess what they ruled: that the bank records from a French bank and a bank from some other European country, which showed Zaoui was in fact a terrorist bagman, couldn’t be relied on as a true and accurate record. Awwwwww. The poor thing. And the same idiotic thinking would be applied to these people too, unless there’s a statutory procedure for dealing with people who arrive like this: i.e. mass detention and hopefully, instant deportation.

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  37. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Looks like Huey may get to vote in the USA elections
    Sandy is heading to somewhere around New York with at present a 30% chance of flooding the subway system.
    At the moment it is the biggest cyclone projected to directly hit the USA ever with storm force winds 520miles from the center

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  38. Reid (16,449 comments) says:

    I hope no-one turns up to this arsehole’s party:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10843414

    + for the first time ever, I agree with McCarten:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10843358

    Griff, here’s some photos of it:
    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/26/us/tropical-weather-sandy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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  39. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Judges who trash prosecutions to punish breaches by particular Police officers seem to feel they have no lawful direct power over those they want to control or to punish. Perhaps the lawful procedure has what they consider to be inadequate sentence. Perhaps the process is cumbersome or gets less attention.

    Welcome to the law as citizens experience it every day.

    http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=4770

    Agood read. Stephen on the money again.

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  40. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    Looks like Huey may get to vote in the USA elections

    The God of Surf is an Australian and his name is Hughie.

    Huey is a duck or a helicopter.

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  41. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    One Track 9.27

    That bill was run up by police so they should pay it.

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  42. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/26/us/tropical-weather-sandy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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  43. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ (1,472) Says:
    October 28th, 2012 at 11:24 am
    One Track 9.27

    That bill was run up by police so they should pay it.

    Actually no, it wasn’t.

    The shyster was hired by the scum now roaming the streets thanks to yet another disgraceful judge.

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  44. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Herald runnin gits usual non standard of Journalism.

    On October 28, 2012 at 10:40 am Quentin Todd said:

    I am a qualified Journalist not working the industry. I don’t like what the JOurnalist has done at all: The report is bias – which is against the rules – and – it does not relate to the Delamare story. To suggest otherwise, puts you John Ansell into the Nazi mould and that’s an unfair, inaccurate report.

    I highly recommend you take this to the New Zealand Press Council http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/

    http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/herald-trying-to-smear-me/

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  45. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Obama and The stain of Benghazi

    http://brendanslongblog.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/the-stain-of-benghazi.html

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  46. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    The shyster was hired by the scum now roaming the streets thanks to yet another disgraceful judge.

    Not too bright are you sport.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7873351/Lawyer-wants-pay-after-court-sting

    A lawyer duped into representing the undercover officer at the centre of a fake prosecution is considering chasing police for his unpaid bills.

    Nelson barrister Tony Bamford represented a police officer, posing as gang associate Michael Wiremu Wilson, when he and 21 other Red Devils were charged in June 2010.

    The charges against the undercover cop were fake and police arranged the operation to bolster his credentials after he infiltrated the gang, where he was under suspicion of being a police officer.

    When his cover was blown he disappeared, and his bill is unpaid

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  47. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    The Motor Trade Association (MTA) is at it again today, spending solidly on radio advertising to scare motorists into believing that NZ needs to retain its high-cost, bureaucratic, Warrant-of-Fitness regime for motor cars. From the weight of the MTA’s advertising, one would believe that there is only one public voice on this issue

    The Government has flown a WOF kite or two, and it’s pretty clear that reducing the present intensity of WOF requirements is generally favoured at Government level, but nothing concrete has yet emerged. Let’s hope it’s not too far away.

    Long-overdue reform will not only reduce substantial dead-weight compliance costs in the economy, but will also be very popular electorally (so much so that the Government may be holding it back until Election year!).

    Meanwhile, the MTA – with all its vested commercial interests on display – continues its political campaign against change, as it’s fully entitled to do. We should not be fooled, however. The MTA is intent on protecting the revenues of small garages and large testing stations throughout the country, not all (or many?) of which have proved themselves worthy of motorists’ patronage over the years. If the MTA succeeds, all of us as motorists will pay the costs – not only for the publicity campaign itself but also for the excessive WOF screening that we currently endure in the absence of any hard evidence of its cost-effectiveness.

    Where is the million-member Automobile Association on this issue, as advocate for motorists? It’s been very quiet, I suggest, just as it’s never exactly vigorous in its public criticism of persistently homogenous pricing of petrol at “competitive” retail pumps. I hope that the AA’s relative silence on WOFs is not a result of the organisation becoming too chummy with the MTA in their respective roles.

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  48. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Reid- Re the boatpeople..
    The first boatload to reach New Zealand shores will be greeted by a stellar cast of New Zealand ‘c’ list celebrities and Green Party Politicians. Dave Dobbyn will be down there with his guitar wailing out ‘Welcome Home’ as hundreds of feral boatpeople flock off the ship onto their new ‘home’. Robyn Malcolm and Keisha whatshername will be there having their photos taken with the new arrivals before heading home to their own luxurious diggings, and Debra Manning will be handing out her business card left,right and centre offering her services if any have problems with New Zealand’s ‘Pesky Authorities’.
    The new arrivals will immediately be loaded onto a bus driven by Keith Locke and whisked straight to the nearest WINZ and Housing New Zealand offices where they can immediately start hoovering up our ‘Rich Prick’ money..and never have to work again.
    After about the thirteenth or fourteenth boatload (long after Dave Dobbyn has packed his guitar and gone home) New Zealand will wake up and think “What the hell just happened”?

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  49. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    calendar-girl, the AA’s position is very clear and they have been quite vocal about it. They do not support the MTA.
    Did you see the Nation this weekend?

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  50. RF (1,397 comments) says:

    Bloody hell !!! I have just been wading through the slim over at the Sub Standard. It’s like a wasps nest with some very worried lefties who did not like the last Roy Morgan poll result. They are forming a lynch mob to go after the Labour front bench who in their opinion are MIA. Popcorn anyone.

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  51. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Reid @10.56
    Agree totally. And Matt McCarten’s article was spot on too, particularly about the lack of accountability of judges.
    There have been two disgusting verdicts by judges this week relating to child abuse and child neglect that show how out of touch some judges are.

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  52. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    Cha, brighter than you obviously, I don’t take all slime utterances at face value.

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  53. Reid (16,449 comments) says:

    More social engineering results coming in:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/7873331/Schools-can-t-bear-the-bare-at-teen-dances

    Ever wondered why the music industry puts out so many videos laden with occult symbolism? Well now you know, don’t you. Or do you think it’s just all completely accidental? And that’s just one channel, they start with them when they’re kids. It’s called Princess programming and its designed to sexualise children at younger and younger ages.

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  54. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Will the Messiah sink? http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-obamas-job-approval-drops-7-points-3-days

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  55. cha (4,014 comments) says:

    I don’t take all slime utterances at face value

    The police officer posing as gang associate Michael Wiremu Wilson?.

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  56. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    What a surprise! http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8555273/new-york-times-backs-obama
    All is missing is DPF’s KB endorsement. :D

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  57. Reid (16,449 comments) says:

    It has been claimed that CIA agents on the ground during the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi twice asked for permission to help Ambassador Chris Stevens and twice were told to stand down.

    Furthermore sources present during the deadly six-hour assault have said that a desperate last request for military assistance once the CIA themselves came under attack was denied, even though elite counter-terrorism units were only two hours away.

    And it has been claimed there was full communication between the CIA annex in Benghazi and the U.S. military, casting further doubts on the Obama administration’s assertion that there wasn’t enough information to deploy forces – deepening the crisis over their handling of the attack on September 11th and its aftermath

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223747/CIA-agents-Benghazi-twice-asked-permission-help-Ambassador-Chris-Stevens-bullets-flying-twice-told-stand-down.html#ixzz2AXrkxSoe

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  58. Paulus (2,627 comments) says:

    When will people realise that when the NZ$ goes lower against other currencies, particularly the US$ everything we import goes up in price balancing the increase in the $value of our exports.
    Particularly as Oil (Motor Fuel) and Milk powder are paid in US$ the effect will nullify itself in a form of balancing act.
    Generally if the price of fuel oil imports goes up so does all forms of transport upon which we have to bear the inflationary price increases. All the new cars, televisions, computers and many others are all imported. Idoubt if Harvey Normans and/or Farmers have anything not made overseas.
    Much of our supermarket food for example is imported either in part or the whole.
    Print money – the Pokies would love it as it would not make in a short time little difference.
    Obama has printed three times US$17 TRILLION in all which as had no effect on jobs or the economy, only the drug trade and the mafia who say thanks for the cash.

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  59. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    @Reid – I read today that the General in charge of AFRICOM was relieved of his command when he told his superiors he was ignoring Stand Down orders and sending assets in to protect US nationals under attack in Benghazi. Of course, Obama knew nothing.

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  60. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    The name Huey has been synonymous with Australian Weather for about 150 years.

    Huey was one of Australia’s first meteorologists in the Riverina region of the country. The term “Send it down Huey” is still used in reference to a rainstorm in Australia.

    Since then “Huey” has been used by mariners and surfers as a fictional God of Wind and Waves.

    A quick prayer to Huey for favourable conditions on the sea is a regular event in Australia and New Zealand.

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  61. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/will-grant-robertson-get-chop-lf-131298#comment-591376

    MY COMMENT – YET TO BE PUBLISHED:

    Here we go again – the usual ‘spin-doctor’ campaign try to pick and snipe and undermine Labour Party leadership?

    Saw it all before with Phil Goff in 2011.

    yawn……………….

    The question I want answered is:

    What role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in November 1999, when he was a foreign exchange advisor to the New York Federal Reserve, and Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch?

    Given that the effect of the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act was to leave the derivatives market unregulated?

    Given that the global financial meltdown has been largely caused by the collapse of the derivatives market?

    Who is going to ask THAT question?

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  62. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    cha – I think you will find the lawyer was hired by the gang, not the police. Hence the bill should go to the gang.

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  63. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    publicwatchdog – 1999? Who cares.

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  64. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    “Who is going to ask THAT question?”

    Umm no one. Because no one cares…

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  65. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7873160/Flexibility-wanted-for-NZs-postal-delivery

    A good idea, I live rurally and get all my bills online now. Three days a week of junk mail is ample.

    If I have needed to send a hardcopy of a document its New Zealand Couriers for me less than 24 hours door to door

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  66. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    OneTrack (125) Says:
    October 28th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    cha – I think you will find the lawyer was hired by the gang, not the police. Hence the bill should go to the gang.

    Why didn’t you wait and make the wrong, thick bastard suffer? ;-)

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  67. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    These two racists love the perks of the office: http:http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/344000543-sharples-and-turia-to-lead-maori-party-into-the-next-election

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  68. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    bc @ 11:57 – Thanks for that. I’m delighted that the AA has taken a “clear position” against the current WOF regime. Trouble is, I’ve never heard it, and people I’ve discussed the WOF issue with haven’t heard it either. When will the AA begin to counter the MTA’s vested-interest stance with its own advertising, in the interests of its 1m motorist members?

    Sorry, I’m not familiar with the Nation. What is it?

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  69. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    One Track 1.28

    Fraud is fraud. Michael Wilson briefed the lawyer.

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  70. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    I heard the AA talking on the radio about WOF. They provided statistics which showed the majority of accidents were caused by problems with tyres which wouldn’t necessarily show up in the current 6 month time span anyway calendar girl.
    Furthermore they pointed out that the national fleet is ‘newer’ now than in the past. They also gave information that even 12 month warrants would be high compliance by world standards, as well as the fact that around 40% (can’t remember exact figure) of vehicles involved in accidents don’t have current WOFs so miss the ‘targeting’ anyway.
    That changed my mind on the situation.

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  71. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    Hi calendar girl
    “The Nation” is a current affairs programme (TV3 Saturday morning, repeated Sunday morning).
    There was an item on the WOF (possible) changes this weekend.

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  72. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    Thanks, Nostalgia. Yes, the case seems pretty clear to all but the MTA which is spending big dollars to convince us (or just the Government?) of the “opposite of the obvious”. All I anticipate is that unnecessary costs imposed on motorists by this WOF make-work scheme will be removed as soon as practicable. I have previously advocated a compromise transition arrangement in respect of WOFs for private cars – i.e. Class 1 driver’s licence vehicles – along the following lines:

    Step 1: The Government should announce now (legislation as necessary) an appropriate date in the first half of 2013 from which a six-monthly WOF will be required only for vehicles older than 10 years of age at the time the then-current WOF lapses. Otherwise, a 12-monthly WOF will be the norm.

    Step2: The Government should announce at the same time that all vehicles will be able to qualify for a 12-month WOF five years later, thereby taking account of improvements in vehicle construction and safety features that are still emerging.

    A plan such as this would represent a fairly moderate compromise between current expensive – and oppressive – WOF requirements and the Government retaining a less draconian framework for independent vehicle screening. Obviously, the law needs to be clear at all times on the driver’s responsibility for ensuring the safe condition of any car that he/she drives.

    [My views relate only to normal passenger vehicles. I simply don't know what WOF/COF requirements should apply to other classes of vehicles, especially large freight trucks that obviously have their own special safety issues on the roads.]

    Thanks again, bc. Sadly, I’ve long abandoned beltway talk-fests that masquerade as “current affairs”. but I appreciate your information.

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  73. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Longknives

    Is Ms Lawless not invited. What did she do wrong?

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  74. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    I’ll go for that Calendar Girl with one proviso, cars on 6 monthly spans that have done less than 5,000 ks since the last check would just get a rewrite WOF and a full test the next time.
    This would justifiably take out a large group of motorists who do little mileage perhaps because of age or impairment, infrequent driving, or that their car is a project vehicle, (vintage, restored of some type.)

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  75. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Michael laws nails the nelson judges arse over the red devils case in the SST.

    Does anyone know what he’s up to now he’s quitting radiolive?

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  76. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Do you fart in bed?

    This is a story about a couple who had been happily married for years, the only friction in their marriage was the husband’s habit of farting loudly every morning when he awoke the noise would wake his wife and the smell would make her eyes water and make her gasp for air. every morning she would plead with him to stop ripping them off because it was making her sick. he told her he couldn’t stop it and that it was perfectly natural. She told him to see a doctor, she was concerned that one day he would blow his guts out. the years went by and he continued to rip them out. Then one Christmas day morning, as she was preparing the turkey for dinner and he was upstairs sound asleep, she looked at the innards, neck, gizzard, liver and all the spare parts, and a malicious thought came to her. She took the bowl and went upstairs where her husband was sound asleep and, gently pulling the bed covers back, she pulled back the elastic wa
    istband of his underpants and emptied the bowl of turkey guts into his shorts. Sometime later she heard her husband waken with his usual trumpeting which was followed by a blood curdling scream and the sound of frantic footsteps as he ran into the bath room. The wife could hardly control herself as she rolled on the floor laughing, tears in her eyes! after years of torture she reckoned she had got him back pretty good. About twenty minutes later, her husband came downstairs in his blood stained underpants with a look of horror on his face. She bit her lip as she asked him what was the matter. he said, “honey you were right.” “all these years you have warned me and I didn’t listen to you”. “What do you mean?” asked his wife. “Well, you always told me that one day I would end up farting my guts out, and today it finally happened, but by the grace of god, some vaseline and two fingers. I think I got most of them back in.”
    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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  77. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    A man goes into a bar with his dog. He goes up to the bar and asks for a drink.

    The bartender says “You can’t bring that dog in here!” The guy, without missing a beat, says “This is my seeing-eye dog.”

    “Oh man,” the bartender says, “I’m sorry, here, the first one’s on me.” The man takes his drink and goes to a table near the door.

    Another guy walks into the bar with a Chihuahua. The first guys sees him, stops him and says “You can’t bring that dog in here unless you tell him it’s a seeing-eye dog.”

    The second man graciously thanks the first man and continues to the bar. He asks for a drink. The bartender says “Hey, you can’t bring that dog in here!”

    The second man replies “This is my seeing-eye dog.” The bartender says, “No, I don’t think so. They do not have Chihuahuas as seeing-eye dogs.”

    The man pauses for a half-second and replies “What??! They gave me a Chihuahua??!”

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  78. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    A magnitude-7.7 earthquake has struck off the coast of western Canada and a tsunami warning has been issued Saturday night. There are no immediate reports of damage.
    The U.S. Geological Survey in Colorado says the quake hit the Queen Charlotte Islands at 11.14pm Sunday local time and was centered 96 miles south of Masset, British Columbia.
    The National Weather Service has issued a warning for coastal areas of British Columbia, southern Alaska, Northern California, Oregon and Washington state. It says the warning area includes Craig and Sitka, Alaska.

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  79. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    3 friends die in a car accident and they go to an orientation in heaven. They are all asked, “When you are in your casket and friends and family are talking about you, what would you like them to say?

    The first guy says,”I would like to hear them say that I was a great doctor of my time, and a great family man.”

    The second guy says, “I would like to hear that I was a wonderful husband and school teacher which made a huge difference in our children of tomorrow.”

    The last guy replies, “I would like to hear them say … Look, He’s Moving!

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  80. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Griff

    She was a biggie at 7.7 but at least it was at a depth of 50Km. Ref: http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/

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  81. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    No English dictionary has been able to adequately explain the difference
    between the two words, COMPLETE and FINISHED. In a recently held
    linguistic competition held in London, England attended by the best in the
    world Samsundar Balgobin, a Guyanese man from Bachelors Adventure was the
    clear winner with a standing ovation lasting over 5 minutes.

    His final question was this:
    Some people say there is no difference between COMPLETE and FINISHED. “How
    do you explain the difference between COMPLETE and FINISHED in a way that
    is easy to understand?”

    Here is his astute answer:
    “When you marry the right woman, you are COMPLETE .
    And when you marry the wrong woman, you are FINISHED . And when the right
    one catches you with the wrong one, you are COMPLETELY FINISHED!”

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  82. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE PARAMETERS
    MAGNITUDE – 7.7
    TIME – 1904 AKDT OCT 27 2012
    2004 PDT OCT 27 2012
    0304 UTC OCT 28 2012
    LOCATION – 52.9 NORTH 131.9 WEST
    25 MILES/40 KM S OF SANDSPIT BRITISH COLUMBIA
    385 MILES/620 KM SE OF JUNEAU ALASKA
    DEPTH – 12 MILES/19 KM

    Seems to be a lot of confusion in the media
    there has been reports of 8ft tidal wave at Queen Charlotte Canada

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  83. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Maybe this will happen if the religious nutters get their way…..

    Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/mGINK

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  84. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    The personnel office received an email requesting a listing
    of the department staff broken down by age and sex. The
    personnel office sent this reply…

    “Attached is a list of our staff. We currently have no one
    who is broken down by age or sex. However, we have a
    few alcoholics in the shipping department.”

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  85. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Bereal should be along any minute now to call Kea,Big Bruv and myself “traitors” and “self-haters” for not blindly hero-worshipping his beloved All Blacks…

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  86. Kea (12,825 comments) says:

    I did not get around to watching any footy last night Longknives. I was out on the town having a few drinks with a mate and some lovely “ladies”, while bereal sat staring longingly into the tv at his beloved Ab’s with their sweaty bodies and tight shorts.

    I don’t judge him for that. One of my good mates is not so keen on the ladies either (but even he does not watch the Ab’s)

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  87. RF (1,397 comments) says:

    I can just see bereal sniffing on a sweaty jockstrap whilst watching the ABs on TV. A sad lonely lad.

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  88. pq (728 comments) says:

    I am not sure there is much value in the general debate Farrar, my opinion best to keep to specifics,I mean look at the drivel above

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  89. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    But they are good kids! http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbcri/759960841-teens-arrested-following-burglary-of-elderly-man

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