Idiot

October 16th, 2012 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

An Australian muay thai boxing trainer has been barred from his flight home from Singapore after posting a threat on to hijack and crash the plane.

Queenslander paid a high price for venting his spleen on social media last month after his flight from Singapore to Bangkok was delayed five hours, causing him to miss a connecting flight to Australia.

Mr Avison complained on his Facebook page on September 25 that the missed flight had left him stranded in Singapore, adding that the airline Scoot had not offered him a night’s accommodation either.

His son replied a short time later: “Well that sucks. Make sure you file a complaint when u get back”.

Mr Avison responded: “I’m going to high-jack the plane on the return flight and crash it … that’ll fix the f…ers”.

The airline, Singapore-based Scoot, cancelled his flight in response, citing concern for the safety of its passengers.

Mr Avison later posted online what he said was the airline’s explanation for barring him: “You have exhibited threatening behaviour thereby posing a serious safety threat to our passengers and cabin crew. We cannot risk such behaviour, as that would be irreconcilable with the airline’s overriding duty to ensuring safety and security of its passengers and crew.”

But Mr Avison posted in reply that the threat was “an obvious joke”, claiming that Scoot had in fact cancelled his flight because of his many complaints about the airline’s poor standard of service.

“I’m Australian and live in Australia, a democratic society, which gives me the right to think, say and write whatever I bloody want!” he wrote. He has not yet deleted the comment about hijacking the plane from his Facebook page, which is publicly viewable.

What an idiot. You do have the right to say and write what you want – but there are consequences.

This case is different to the UK one where a man was prosecuted criminally for a tweet about blowing the airport up, after a cancelled flight meant he didn’t get to see his girlfriend. There the airport did not discover the tweet until a week later, and it was obviously not a threat.

But to write online that you plan to hijack and crash the flight you are waiting to catch – well don’t complain when you don’t get to board.

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44 Responses to “Idiot”

  1. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Why would anyone have a publicly open facebook page ? That’s just stupid.

    Large organizations consistently search social media looking for mentions of themselves.

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  2. frankflintstone (68 comments) says:

    it would be great if all terrorists/hijackers could be this thoughtful and be so upfront about what they are going to do. It would make life a lot easier for all the police etc to stop such action.

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  3. Redbaiter (8,371 comments) says:

    This is crap. The guy was clearly joking. He’s going to hi-jack and blow up a plane so he posts on facebook about it?

    These airline people are insane, and the same goes for those security thugs at airports who will arrest you for making any kind of remark.

    All it really means is that the terrorists have won, and the whole damn thing including the freaked out security checks, and especially the overzealous attacks on free expression, is an exercise in abject western cowardice.

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  4. RRM (9,786 comments) says:

    You don’t joke about blowing the plane up. Most people know this, it’s pretty simple.

    But I’m with you on the airport security freaks, baiter old boy. My daughter set the metal detectors off at Wellington gate 16 last month.

    My daughter is 8 years old; blonde, blue eyes, wearing tights and a t shirt, clearly not concealing any box cutters or explosives.)

    Big butch airport security lady was taking her job seriously though and got the hand-held metal detector out for a thorough re-scan.

    I guess the trade off is, if you want to catch the real bombers you have to do something, otherwise you won’t catch them…?

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  5. Archer (205 comments) says:

    RRM; Parents often use children to assist them in the commission of crimes so having a child conceal a weapon/something else seems like a legitimate concern, especially if they’ve set of a metal detector with no obvious metal items in view. I’m also curious why you think being blonde and having blue eyes reduces your security risk at an airport?

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  6. nasska (11,198 comments) says:

    Archer

    Maybe I can help to allay your confusion:

    In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich
    Olympics by:
    (a) Grandma Moses;
    (b) The night cleaning crew at Rockefeller Center;
    (c) Invaders from Mars; or
    (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
    (a) Norwegians from the Lichen Herbarium of the University of Oslo;
    (b) Elvis;
    (c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women; or
    (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
    (a) A pizza delivery boy;
    (b) Crazed feminists complaining that having to throw a grenade beyond its own burst radius in basic training was an unfair and sexist job requirement;
    (c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day; or
    (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
    (a) Luca Brazzi, for not being given a part in “Godfather 2″;
    (b) The Tooth Fairy;
    (c) Butch and Sundance, who had a few sticks of dynamite left over from their train mission; or,
    (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by:
    (a) The entire cast of “Cats”;
    (b) Martha Stewart;
    (c) Cheese-crazed tourists from Wisconsin; or
    (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
    (a) Mr. Rogers;
    (b) Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill’s women problems;
    (c) The World Wrestling Federation to promote its next villain: “Mustapha the Merciless”; or
    (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed by:
    (a) Bugs Bunny, Wil E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd.
    (b) The US Supreme Court,
    (c) Barney; or
    (d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

    Hmmm…nope, no patterns there. Buggered if I know why they should even even think about profiling. It must be more politically correct to check old lady’s incontinence knickers & probe children for non existent weapons.

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  7. Redbaiter (8,371 comments) says:

    Israel, most likely the most targeted nation on earth in respect of terrorists attacks does not have these intrusive checks and neither has its national airline ever had a plane hi-jacked.

    The whole thing is just another example of why the west if fucked for the first thing they do is run crying like babies asking big government to protect them so big government as usual sees this as an excuse to run roughshod over every liberty we have and institute what is a farcical easily defeated scheme anyway.

    Of course everyone knows these ignorant power drunk scum posturing as security will arrest you for a joke, but that doesn’t make it right.

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  8. RRM (9,786 comments) says:

    Archer –

    Being a blonde and blue-eyed little white girl makes her not particularly Muslim-looking! And if we cut out the crap, the reason all this security on domestic jet flights was set up after 9/11 was to catch rag-head terrorists on suicide missions, let’s be real.

    Also she’s tall and skinny with approximately 0% body fat, so in tights and a t shirt her possibility of being a drug mule concealing a package of anything is self-evidently NIL (unless she’s doing it internally – euw.)

    But giving a badge, a radio and some authoritah over other people to somebody who failed at becoming a real cop is a pretty sure-fire way to ensure you’ll see pathetic power trips like re-scanning little 8-year-old girls with a metal detector to make ABSOLUTELY SURE they’re not a security threat…

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  9. gump (1,622 comments) says:

    Why was an airline accessing the Facebook page for one of their passengers?

    I think this story has more details than we are being told.

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  10. Redbaiter (8,371 comments) says:

    Yep, and its so likely that Arab terrorists are going to get an eight years old blond blue eyed girl (with her dopey looking European parents in tow) to help them blow up a 20 passenger plane on a 45 minute trip from inner Waikikamukau to outer Waikikamukau, (which was probably RRM’s idea of an expensive holiday)

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  11. RRM (9,786 comments) says:

    Well she must get her striking good looks, gregarious popularity, her tendency to excel at her school work, and her fierce determination and self-confidence from somewhere :-D

    But You’ll never know, Reddy – we’ve taught her to stay well clear of perverts in grubby anoraks muttering to themselves and driving panel vans ;-)

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  12. Griff (7,408 comments) says:

    RRM
    What if you were a security guard and had a 5 foot 5 inch grumpy old man in a mini skirt and 9 inch stilettos trying to board your plane. You know someone who posts weird right conservonuttery under the pseudonymous smellyfishbait or similar. Would you anally probe him on the off chanced he might have a concealed laptop to continue his campaign of conservonuttery on KB?

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  13. RRM (9,786 comments) says:

    I don’t know Griff but christ it’s going to take DAYS to get that hideous image out of my head. Thank you.

    And you can easily enough comment on KB from an Android phone, there would be no need to lube up anything as drastic as a whole laptop…

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  14. Lance (2,629 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter
    “Israel, most likely the most targeted nation on earth in respect of terrorists attacks does not have these intrusive checks”
    I call bullshit on that.
    Everytime I have flown El-Al the security was as tight a a ducks bum (not that I am complaining), with 3 screenings between check in and boarding. A special car even shadows the plane while taxing.

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  15. Bob (496 comments) says:

    It must be remebered airline pilots have a right to bar anybody they suspect of being a threat to the wellbeing of their plane. They rightly get nervous of any kind of troublemaker. Threating to destroy a plane for a joke is sheer lunacy. It doesn’t take much to be barred from boarding.

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  16. transmogrifier (522 comments) says:

    Private company makes the decision to not do business with a customer they think will be trouble.

    What’s the problem again? He didn’t get prosecuted for it, and he wasn’t censored by the government. He said something, as is his right, someone saw it and decided that he was a dick and cancelled his flights. As long as he got his money back, there is no issue here whatsoever. I’m not sure why Redbaiter would be so upset to see a private business make their own business decisions.

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  17. Elaycee (4,356 comments) says:

    Mr Avison responded: “I’m going to high-jack the plane on the return flight and crash it … that’ll fix the f…ers”.

    The guy was a moron – no doubt. And to now bleat about being kicked off a flight because of his own stupidity, is simply confirmation of his new found status as a stalk.

    I’d also suggest that some comments here are from people who don’t travel a great deal… especially in this day and age:

    Air travel in Asia / Middle East / Sub Continent – usually three checks between check in and boarding. Often under the gaze of soldiers carrying Uzi’s (or similar). And it doesn’t matter who sets off the metal detector – they are subjected to a further check. In India – there is a physical pat down for all passengers. No exceptions. Bomb dogs check out all passengers. Again, no exceptions. The USA and Canada – similar story. Checks all along the way (for metal screening, even your watch has to come off / belt off / shoes off / jacket off / coins etc – all in a tray for separate X-ray. Then you are personally screened. After you leave the Koro Club etc – more checks before boarding. The UK – full body scanners are now being used.

    Even checking in at a hotel has changed. For example: in India, cars (including taxis etc) can no longer pull up outside the main doors to drop you off. They have to park away from the main doors and the verandah. All luggage is screened before you are allowed to enter the lobby. Everyone is screened too. All under the watch of armed personnel. Same for many other countries….

    It is the world as we know it in 2012.

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  18. scrubone (3,092 comments) says:

    He probably was joking – in his mind anyway.

    But who would want to sit on a flight with someone who has such a lack of self control/awareness? Not me.

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  19. Paulus (2,603 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    You have obviously never travelled with El Al to Israel. If you had you would know that you are expected to check in at least an hour before maximum normal check in, and you do go through the most rigourous of personal checks available.

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  20. Redbaiter (8,371 comments) says:

    I’ve been to Lebanon, but not Israel. I admit I am going on information, but it is well known that the Isrealis operate a far less intrusive system than the US or other western nations.

    “While American and European security procedures rely mainly on technological solutions for screening luggage and passengers, Israel’s security philosophy is based on a mix of advanced detection devices and personal interaction with the passengers.

    The multi-layer system begins outside Israel’s biggest port of entry — Ben Gurion airport. Cars approaching the terminal are stopped by guards and asked one or two questions, usually about where they are coming from or what is the purpose of their visit. A nervous response, or one revealing an Arab accent, could trigger further scrutiny even before entering the airport.

    When walking into the terminal, visitors pass by another set of security agents searching for passengers behaving suspiciously. The next stop for human evaluation is before the check-in counter, where passengers are required to show their travel documents and answer a series of seemingly standard questions from trained security personnel. (Did you pack your bags by yourself? How long did you spend in Israel? What was the purpose of your visit?) Screeners are interested more in the tone and body language than in the content of passengers’ replies.

    This is also the point where profiling takes place: While most Jewish Israeli citizens will be waved through after the brief conversation, others, mainly Israeli Arabs and non-Jewish visitors, will be taken aside for lengthy questioning and a thorough luggage and physical check.

    An Israeli official aware of the security practices said that profiling is not based solely on ethnic, religious or national affiliation, but rather on a combination of factors that also include behavioral patterns, travel information and previous intelligence.

    Adding to the personal screening process, passengers at Ben-Gurion also go through a metal detector, and an X-ray machine checks their luggage.

    “We could all do a lot worse than to learn from the Israeli model,” wrote David Harris, executive director of the American Jewish Committee on The Huffington Post.”

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/122781/israel-s-airport-security-object-of-envy-is-hard/#ixzz29PzDmMe4

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  21. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    I’m with Redbaiter on this one. Making jokes about lunatic bureaucracies and monopolies is often the only way to keep them in check. We should never have allowed the courts to outlaw humour and sarcasm. Pretending to take obvious nonsense seriously is far, far less valid than racial and ethnic profiling.

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  22. Griff (7,408 comments) says:

    Alan Wilkinson
    So wilky laughing at your climate denial is all good now
    :lol:

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  23. gopolks (52 comments) says:

    I cannot for the life of me, believe some people will still think it’s okay to say something like that.

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  24. Shazzadude (526 comments) says:

    I don’t know why we’re whinging about terrorism paranoia, the real story here is about a douchebag getting his comeuppance, and I think it’s awesome.

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  25. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    Griff, laugh at this. I will too: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html

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  26. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    @gopolks, I cannot for the life of me believe anyone with a brain could take it seriously.

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  27. Griff (7,408 comments) says:

    Alan Wilkinson
    six times now that has been posted :lol:
    met office reply to David’s lies http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/met-office-in-the-media-14-October-2012/
    Only a dick would take a unlinked and false story like that as real
    eh wilky
    Keep it up its fun laughing at cranks

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  28. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    Griff, laughing at you, the data is real. So sad for you.

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  29. eszett (2,396 comments) says:

    I admit I am going on information, but it is well known that the Isrealis operate a far less intrusive system than the US or other western nations.

    I guess that’s why El Al recommends to be at the airport 4 hours before departure.

    http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/AllAboutYourFlight/AtTheAirport/CheckInTimes.html

    You will also note that the biggest threat to El Al is not for flights ex Israel but flights to Israel.

    You should try a flight, say Frankfurt to Tel Aviv, and see how “less intrusive” security is.

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  30. Griff (7,408 comments) says:

    Wilky did you not read the met service reply?
    Here is a little picture for you seeing as you dont like reading
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/SkepticsvRealists_500.gif
    pretty picture eh

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  31. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    @gopolks, I cannot for the life of me believe anyone with a brain could take it seriously.

    Why not take it seriously. The guy was in an agitated state, displayed clear anger towards the airline, made a specific threat directed at a particular flight. If he was just joking, he’s a fucken useless comedian.

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  32. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    I estimate there are several billion non-Muslim useless comedians for for every non-Muslim suicide hijacker – if even one exists. Don’t know how many of them have brains.

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  33. Kea (12,099 comments) says:

    pretty picture eh

    It sure is pretty Griff. It is amazing what you can do with those computer thingys now days.

    I bet you could even make a pretty picture to “prove” cow farts will wipe out life as we know it :)

    (Disclaimer: only cows owned by white people.)

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  34. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    Griff, here’s a pic for you too – the accurate/complete satellite record:

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Sep_2012_v5.5.png

    Terrifying isn’t it?

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  35. Griff (7,408 comments) says:

    90% of the heat is in the oceans
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Levitus2012OHC.jpg

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  36. Kea (12,099 comments) says:

    It sure is Griff. The ocean moves allot of the earths heat around too. It has a big effect on climate. Even more so than cow farts and dead dinosaurs.

    Climate science “computer models” have proven that the Sun has no effect on climate or temperature. Its amazing what those computers can do. I saw a computer model that showed a singing cat and also a whole movie called Avitar or something. My friend has an X Box. That is pretty amazing I think.

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  37. Griff (7,408 comments) says:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Satellite_Temperatures.png
    Satellite temperature not done by Spencer ie present state of peer reviewed scientific knoladge and not relient on outdated incorrect alogorthum

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  38. Kea (12,099 comments) says:

    scientific knoladge and not relient on outdated incorrect alogorthum

    I use a thermometer to measure temperature, not an “alogorthum”

    Why must you complicate everything Griff?

    Ever heard of occam’s razor?

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  39. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    Griff, quadruple fail: a Wiki propaganda piece from “stoat” Connelly; shows data from UAH = Spencer; adds in surface data to cherry pick an impressive start point; then cherry picks a different start point to draw a trend line.

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  40. Alan Wilkinson (1,868 comments) says:

    So why has the ocean heat content not produced an increased rate of thermal expansion? Where is all the missing heat? With Antarctic ice at record maximum?

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  41. Left Right and Centre (2,950 comments) says:

    hahaha….. started off as comments about a passenger making stupid likely empty threats out of frustration … and then turns into a good old-fashioned ‘climate change’ stoush. I love it!!

    I think most people would assume that the man wasn’t seriously going to do anything dangerous on his return trip, but the good educated people who post on Kiwiblog would never do such a thing knowing provocative comments give grounds for cancellation. It’s not particularly bright these days.

    RRM: ok, got it. Don’t check skinny white kids. Definitely if they’ve got blonde hair and blue eyes don’t check them. Check all non-white kids though. Hey, the machine’s beeping. Oh don’t worry about that sir, your daughter is skinny with zero bodyfat blue eyes and blonde hair. Have a nice day. And it’s 100% certain that no-one would hide small drug packages on a white child dressed in tights and a T shirt. Because that’s never happened anywhere on Earth before.

    Are you serious mate?

    Security are doing their god damned job as they’re paid to, which I’m sure they don’t want to lose. That’s their whole job… what do you want them to do?

    Let’s just let anyone who looks white, middle class and harmless bypass all security. If I only wear a G string, can I race straight through? Yeah… just check the Muslims eh. I reckon make them use their own ‘planes. Muslims only. Then you don’t need security at all. Sweet!!

    I’ve got to stop there.. too much material…. far out

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  42. wreck1080 (3,863 comments) says:

    he was joking — how stupid.

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  43. Griff (7,408 comments) says:

    This is what you should read to balance you reading of Watts, McIntyre et al
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/
    The oceans are expanding due both to thermal expansion and water from land ice melt
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/ipcc_2001_sea_level.gif
    The specific heat of water is a lot greater than air it takes a lot more energy to rise the temperature in water than it does to air
    Ocean expansion was around 1.7mm per year over the last century with the last three decades being at around 3.3mm per year.
    The amount of energy added to the oceans from 1961-2011 (133 Terawatts) is equivalent to 2 Hiroshima bombs a second. Continually since 1961 :shock:

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  44. Left Right and Centre (2,950 comments) says:

    haha…. yeah, it could’ve been written by Jerry Seinfeld for all of its obvious comedic genius. How stupid of me!

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