A video on why the ITU should not be part of Internet Governance

December 2nd, 2012 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

The video is done by the What is the ITU site. Just four minutes long but covers the basics well.

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11 Responses to “A video on why the ITU should not be part of Internet Governance”

  1. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    Ironically, comments are disabled on the YouTube video.

    Agree with them though. We need to keep the Clare Currans of the world away from our internet.

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  2. Reid (16,085 comments) says:

    The powers that be have always hated the internet because as this video says it’s uncontrollable. They actually didn’t know what would happen, when DARPA developed the html network protocol that started at CERN and then promoted it as part of its requirement to develop an breakable global comms network that would work in a nuclear war when satellite comms were not operating. They didn’t think it through.

    Now the politicians are under a double-whammy from not only those who must not be obeyed, the powers that be, but also the overt lobby pressure from all of the copyright owner corporate donars. I mean the powers that be people installed bankers in both Greece and Italy to make sure both countries paid up. These are the same people who are playing the ITU game, combined with the overt politicians and lobbyists.

    One proposition has always been they’ll do an attack like say cause a market panic, or say override the electricity grid or a nuclear power station, blame the internet and use Internet2 as the new protocol but of course this time, certain sites won’t be allowed to get on board. Who knows, if it happens, bear it in mind as it unfolds before us.

    I think the internet though won’t be powerful enough to halt the politicians, with all the money and legal power they have behind them. We’ll complain of course we will, we may even win this coming round, but eventually we’ll succumb. Fragmented disorganisation always does succumb, eventually, to organised and well-resourced continual opposition, and time means nothing to them. They’ll just keep chipping away at it.

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  3. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    The money and legal power of the politicians is on thin ice. The fiscal cliff is looming and low voter turnouts are just one indication that the legal basis of political power is crumbling. The recent publicity surrounding institutional paedophilia is yet another sign that these are desperate times for those who have an agenda of control and oppression.

    A centralized organization structure can also be a weakness because of the vulnerability of critical points. In an information based society the concept of ownership isn’t as important as in a traditional market economy. IMO the game can be won simply by adapting to the changing nature of society and cooperating with those who have similar values.

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  4. thor42 (968 comments) says:

    I agree with UglyTruth.
    In the next few years in Europe, governments are very likely to find out that their “power” is not as absolute as they think it is.

    Anyway, the video is great and conveys a very important message.

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  5. Reid (16,085 comments) says:

    The money and legal power of the politicians is on thin ice. The fiscal cliff is looming

    But this makes politicians even more susceptible to the whims of those who do have money, and last I heard, the powers that be and the others are still doing very nicely.

    A centralized organization structure can also be a weakness because of the vulnerability of critical points.

    Not if you know what you’re doing when you’re running it. Just because it appears weak to people looking at it doesn’t mean it is, for example. You can manipulate illusions if you have the internet, same as you can with stock prices. All sorts of illusions. Which is what they will proceed to do of course.

    the game can be won simply by adapting to the changing nature of society and cooperating with those who have similar values

    The art of illusion is maintaining in a subject’s mind the illusion that what they are viewing/reading/thinking is the truth: i.e. reality. Which it may or may not be. That is what they will seek to obfuscate in people’s minds using message management as the first move if and when ITU gets its tentacles into the web.

    Secondly they will exploit it for their political re-election purposes to the extreme and they will use it to elicit the most detailed demographic information they can, but they’ll make it seem so innocuous, we won’t even know it.

    Thirdly I think they’ll establish political-commercial relationships in a much wider sense than they do now. Most informed people understand Google, Facebook and others already have connections with the law enforcement and intel communities and long may that continue. But what else goes on? We’re not told. But if the ITU have their wicked way, I just bet that will become more and more ubiquitous.

    The way I see it ending is like the military-industrial complex operates in the US, with ex-military Generals etc retiring then rotating into defence procurement positions in say Northrop-Grumman and so it goes. This is what I suspect will happen some years, perhaps a decade or so, after the ITU beds itself in. It won’t be officials from the defense industry, but perhaps from brand new agencies that we haven’t heard of yet. Who knows. But prognosis negative isn’t it, whichever way you look at it.

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  6. flipper (3,816 comments) says:

    Reid..
    My points of disagreemernt with you relate to the drivers behind this crap proposal.

    Centre-right pollies are simple folk. The bastards that one needs to really watch are the likes of Clark, Simpson and the labour/red mellon bunch.
    That apart, I believe that the internet has created (made redundant?) a species of powerless bureaucrats…. who in turn drive simple pollies. And, sadly, that brings us back to those simple centre-right pollies…. Fossie,m for example. They will be snowed by the devious Sir Humphreys.

    In NZ it was formerly the Post and Telegraph Dept. that hosted the ITU’s Sir Humphs. Lord knows where those power hungry fools reside today. But do not forget that dirty (I say dirty because some recent actions suggest the degree of operational freedom they have represents a danger the whole community should fear) Police, SIS and GCSB hands will also be in there somewhere, hiding behind ” national security” and the need for Government to keep such matters secret.

    Time for some pointed questions in the Parliamrent DPF !!!!

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  7. questions (185 comments) says:

    “UglyTruth (62) Says: “The recent publicity surrounding institutional paedophilia .”

    We are talking about the ITU not the catholic church…

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  8. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    @questions,

    Institutional paedophilia isn’t limited to the RCC. The recent BBC fiasco which led to the resignation of it’s managing director was over paedophilia that was historically part of its internal culture. Jimmy Saville was honoured by NZ’s head of state and had a 30 year friendship with Charles Windsor. It is a lever that can be applied to blackmail politicians into pursuing a particular agenda. As noted by Ken Livingstone, MI5 were allegedly involved in this. In the USA Paul Bonacci’s testimony of paedophile sex parties involving congressmen and senators is telling.

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  9. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Ugly Truth,
    There is a paedophile scandal just waiting to happen in NZ also..this high profile person is known to the police.

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  10. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    joana,
    Greg Hallett has made some allegations, but I have no idea if they a related to your guy. Karl Bergan and Sam Brens were awarded after their crimes as St Johns officers by NZ’s head of state, who is “supreme governor” of one of the churches involved in some the worst child abuse on the planet (the Canadian residential school abuse), which resulted in the deaths of an estimated 50000 children.

    http://stjohnnz.com/2012/11/10/did-st-john-ambulance-nz-conduct-a-cover-up-of-a-pedophile-protection-network-within-their-organisation/

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  11. flipper (3,816 comments) says:

    Heh DPF…
    This from Jo Nova:

    ” The UN threat to internet freedom

    “Oh Joy and Goody. Imagine if decisions about the global internet were made by the same institution that thought the rights of the downtrodden would be best protected by Col. Muammar Gaddafi? Hands up who wants another group of people you have no control over, making decisions for you and behind closed doors?

    “Of course, they will tell us the new regulations are there to help us, to stop spam, keep the internet fair and open. Then sooner or later, as with all human institutions, politics and ambition will mean the power is misused.

    “:The people who will suffer the most are those in third world dictatorships. But free speech is the thing that stops the first world from turning into the third world. It’s hard to see how we get more than one shot at this. Once the net stops being open, imagine the fun trying to get that freedom back. Think of how fast protest groups can be arranged online through Facebook and e”mil. Then think about how hard that gets if you have no e-help? The protests favored by the establishment get the free pass. What does everyone else do? Make thousands of cold phone calls? Use direct mail?

    “That’s why we have to protest while we still can, at the merest hint that anyone would dare change the way the Internet works. Ten minutes of effort now could help save our children from being forced to spend years fighting the system, just to get back what we have right now.

    “Thank God for the internet; skeptics would not have won many “climate” battles without it.

    Via Tallbloke:

    From https://www.whatistheitu.org/ The era of pamphleteering in the late 1700s was the same. The governments used repressive legislation and printing press breaking gangs to prevent the populace from using the written word as a means of dissemination and organisation. Do not be complacent, the failure of the AGW Paradigm is a blow to the centralising tendency, and the UN is planning a backlash against the medium which exposed its hidden agenda.

    I wrote about the pamphleteers here as I toiled to get back online after a lack of funds had left this site prey to hacks and attacks. (Thanks to donors who help us cover the increased security costs). Bloggers today are the pamphleteers of 250 years ago. Except we are luckier. Back then, people were jailed. Others died protesting for them in the street.

    The ITU wants to control the internet, and this week they get another chance.

    “If some proposals at WCIT are approved, decisions about the internet would be made by a top-down, old-school government-centric agency behind closed doors. Some proposals allow for access to be cut off more easily, threaten privacy, legitimize monitoring and blocking online traffic. Others seek to impose new fees for accessing content, not to mention slowing down connection speeds. If the delicate balance of the internet is upset, it could have grave consequences for businesses and human rights.”

    The diplomatic process began in Feb 2012, and Robert McDowell wrote about The U.N. Threat to Internet Freedom in the Wall Street Journal.

    The countries that most want ITU controlled include Russia, China, and Iran, and we all know why.

    “Russia backed by China and India is pushing through a takeover of the internet by a UN supranational agency to make the web truly universal. The aim of the plan is to standardize the behavior of countries concerning information and cyberspace.”

    The ITU is not all bad, but we need the net to stay open source.

    The net belongs to the people, not a committee, and never to the U.N.

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