General Debate 10 January 2013

January 10th, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. jaba (2,096 comments) says:

    morning

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  2. Pete George (23,344 comments) says:

    An Otago politics student Stephanie Lowe has set up an awareness website on Human Trafficking in NZ.

    This also covers the trafficking problem worldwide (which is huge). Please at least visit the site and respond to the poll (in the right sidebar on the Home page).
    The Problem - on a global scale
    1. There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history – with some estimates of the number being as high as twenty-seven-million.

    2. Sex trafficking is one of the three largest industries, coming after the arms and drugs industries. It is estimated to be worth around $32 billion.

    (more)
    The Problem - in NZ

    1. There is very little information about the problem of human trafficking in New Zealand

    2. New Zealand Government fully complies with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking – and is in tier 1 of the US Department of State’s Trafficking in Perons Report

    3. The Prostitution Law Review Committee estimated that approximately 200 young persons under the age of 18 were working as prostitutes in 2004

    4. New Zealand is a source country for underage girls who are forced in to internal trafficking

    5. New Zealand is a destination country for foreign women and men subjected to forced labour

    6. The men are usually from countries such as Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Indonesia – and are usually forced to engagd in activities aboard fishing vessels with NZ waters

    7. Women who are trafficked to New Zealand usually come from China and countries within South East Asia – they tend to be recruited by people in their home counrties as ‘labour agents’ for the purpose of prostitution

    8. Victims trafficked from overseas usually arrive in New Zealand to have their passports confiscated, experience physical and mental abuse, and are forced to work extremely long hours with very little or no pay

    9. There is a small percentage of girls and boys of Maori or Pacific Islander descent who are trafficked internally and forced to participate in street prostitution

    10. Some Asian or Pacific Islander individuals migrate to New Zealand to work within the agricultural industry. However in some cases once they arrive here they find they have to work in far worse conditions than promised or for far less pay.

    For more information about human trafficking in New Zealand you can visit:

    http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/research/people-trafficking/action-items.asp

    http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/research/people-trafficking/people-trafficking.pdf

    http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/new_zealand

    http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/speechpapers/NZ%20trafficking%20Paper%20-%20final%20-%203%20Feb.pdf

    Human Trafficking in NZ website: http://www.humantraffickingnz.com/

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  3. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Kinda windy in Wellywo…. .. .. . . . .od this morning.

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  4. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    Beautiful religious melody for Christians readers on this blog.

    Wonderful words of life (by Gaithers)

    See the old man with a grey shirt sitting at the front (at about 8 second into the song), he sings nice bass voice. Well, I was singing that very same bass voice on the same song at a BBQ at my sister’s house plus my other family members in Botany. Her teenage daughter played the Piano and we all sang along. The second verse I flipped and sang in the tenor voice (ie, same voice as the standing man in the group of 3 with 2 other women) while my older brother covered the bass voice. The last verse, I played my euphonium, and my teenage nephew sang in the tenor voice, by older brother still in he bass voice, and 2 of my sister’s neighbours came out to listen to us singing. It was beautiful.

    Over the years I haven’t been invited to my family gatherings be it BBQs , dinners, birthday party, etc, simply because I debate with them on the scientific basis for the existence of God because they’re all Christians (Tongan Methodist). I always out debated them and that’s why they sort of distance themselves from me as an outcast because my belief. Its only recent in the last few months that we all realized that we”re blood, it means that our personal beliefs had to be put aside because family get together is important. Since I’ve been welcomed back to my family, I’ve never brought up any religious bashing topic with them since in any family get together.

    The moral of my story here is that one can still get along with his/her religious family members even they all have different beliefs.

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  5. Pete George (23,344 comments) says:

    Otago politics student Stephanie Lowe has set up an awareness website on Human Trafficking in NZ.

    This also covers the trafficking problem worldwide (which is huge). Please at least visit the site and respond to the poll (in the right sidebar on the Home page) – http://www.humantraffickingnz.com/

    “There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history”
    “Sex trafficking is one of the three largest industries, coming after the arms and drugs industries.”

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  6. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    It’s really nice and overcast in Auckland.

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,180 comments) says:

    All this negative publicity about Novopay; who’d have ever suspected that there were actually payroll problems back when Chris Carter was Education Minister, and before he signed the first contract with the Novopay providers?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/the-more-things-change.html

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  8. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    What does – CAGW – stand for?

    I get the AGW part, is the C for carbon/CO2 ?

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  9. Pete George (23,344 comments) says:

    Citizens Against Government Waste

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  10. Pete George (23,344 comments) says:

    But I guess you’re looking for Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming.

    the sky is warming
    the sky is falling

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  11. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Pete George, but I see it used in relation to climate change ?

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  12. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Ahhhhhhh Thanks :)

    It used be called “The Revelation” where God would smote man for his evil. It seems some folk got tired of waiting and came up with another yarn, to scare us into obedience.

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  13. KiwiGreg (3,224 comments) says:

    @ kea it’s used because many people on the side of the argument that express doubts about the impending doom (“denialists” to link them with Holocaust denial) actually do accept that (depending on start date and period measured) the climate is warming and that man’s actions probably do have some (unknown at this time) effect, they just dont accept that there is a catastrophe coming as a result. So it’s actually “our” term not “their” term.

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  14. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Is there more of a level of distrust in democracy in Nz than there was in 2011? If so then what would be the underlying reasons?

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  15. KiwiGreg (3,224 comments) says:

    “1. There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history – with some estimates of the number being as high as twenty-seven-million.”

    Here you go Pete, I’ll estimate it at 4 trillion. Now you can use that number.

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  16. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Re slaves- Yes there are more than at any time in history because they are called taxpayers and forced to work for more than half the year and therefore more than half their productive life to keep a group of elitists in the style they are accustomed to.

    Slave owners abound on this blog actually with Milky being the most prominent example currently.

    People who are part of the unproductive government sector but who force the rest of us to work so they can live a life far above what would be their normal status.

    People who produce nothing themselves but take by legislation from those who do produce.

    Slaves and slave owners- thats what we have, but the elitists fool you by calling it something else.

    Socialism.

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  17. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I blame the “slave” problem on the busy-body Europeans & British, who (recently) came up with the notion slavery was wrong. Until that time, there was no slave problem.

    Interestingly, the notion slavery was wrong, was not promoted due to concerns over human rights, but for economic reasons.

    As Pete George has pointed out (“There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history”) this idea slavery is wrong has not caught on. Africans were selling each other into slavery well before the Europeans arrived and continue to do so.

    Objections to slavery appear to be a (historically recent) idea advanced by European people in priviledged societies. In the less priviledged European societies, they often sell girls into the sex industry, once they have them hooked on drugs.

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  18. MT_Tinman (3,054 comments) says:

    There is very little information about the problem of human trafficking in New Zealand

    Perhaps because the “problem” has been made up by a schoolgirl studying in Dunedin?

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  19. Falafulu Fisi (2,177 comments) says:

    This is a better version.

    Wonderful words of life (High School student’s Orchestra)

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  20. KiwiGreg (3,224 comments) says:

    You dont have to look to Africa, the Greeks and Romans had very well establish slave systems.

    My problem with Pete’s list is he is using a very elastic definition of slavery – under 18 year olds becoming prostitutes, employees not getting expected terms and conditions – really, that’s slavery?

    A lot of the child labour stuff is simply what our (European) societies looked like a little over 100 years ago. This too will pass by ensuring such countries develop as free market democracies rather than breast beating and wailing about “the children”.

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  21. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    NZ Slammed in US ‘slavery report’

    Read more: http://www.humantraffickingnz.com/news/nz-slammed-in-us-slavery-report/
    Create your own website for free: http://www.webnode.com

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !

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  22. Pete George (23,344 comments) says:

    A third year politics student is not “a student”, that’s a snarky diss.

    She links to a number of New Zealand sources (Depasrtment of Labour, Courts).

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  23. KiwiGreg (3,224 comments) says:

    A third year politics student is hardly a source of wisdom and knowledge either.

    Such a thing can only exist because the rest of us have real jobs and pay for it.

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  24. Sonny Blount (1,847 comments) says:

    She links to a number of New Zealand sources (Depasrtment of Labour, Courts).

    ooooh, now that’s high praise.

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  25. kowtow (7,953 comments) says:

    Modern “slavery” wil never get the attention that good ole time European slavery ,you know Gone with the wind,Roots,Amistad type anti American/anti white sentimental crap got, for the simple reason that the current practioners of “slavery” are mainly non white and non Christian…….so the guilt ridden anti west cafe attending latte slurpers and media mongols will simply not play.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml

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  26. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Ben Shapiro was on with Sean Hannity last night to discuss his new book “Bullies: How the Left’s Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America” and to list the top five progressive bullies in America today. As a final question, Hannity asked Ben how do conservatives counter the progressive bullies today. Ben answered,

    “We can’t be civil with them. We can’t. We’ve reached the end of bipartisanship. We’ve reached the end of civility. It’s like the Geneva Conventions. These people are out of uniform. Once they exit the realm of civility they are now fair game. And it’s enough playing fair with them. It’s enough having the moral high ground. If we have the moral high ground it means that we lose. We need to start fighting back and fighting back hard.”

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  27. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    the current practioners of “slavery” are mainly non white and non Christian

    Actually they always were. The Africans had a vibrant slave trade with the Muslims to the North, as well as trading among themselves. The Europeans represented a new market, but it was a flash in the pan.

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  28. axeman (251 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (8,552) Says:
    January 10th, 2013 at 8:36 am
    griff- you are a poster boy for the alarmist movement: Not terribly smart, fearful and willing to believe the establishment’s line no matter what.

    You’ll find yourself increasingly without support, despite your improving Google skills. I note that kiwiblog’s most vociferous supporters of CAGW have quietly stepped back from this debate. That’s probably wise as the growing set empirical evidence does not support runaway AGW, and the evidence of scientific fraud both in construction of the theory, and in the assembly of data inputs starts to mount.

    If believing the CAGW lie helps you get through your day then fair enough. But do keep posting. You’re doing more to dissuade the fence-sitters than rational debate, which you seem impervious to, will ever do.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Haha, yep that’s our resident stoner alarmist nutjob fronting the diminishing CAGW cult.

    As you should have realised gwiff, more and more of the world, like the Germans, are seeing through your global warming scam

    Leading German Daily Announces: “Global Warming Has Stopped”, Questions IPCC Models

    By P Gosselin on 8. January 2013

    It took them 15 years to notice it: CO2 is not driving the climate.

    German online daily Hamburger Abendblatt here has a story titled: Global Warming Takes A Break, citing the leaked copy of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, which is due to be released in September, 2013. The Hamburger Abendblatt writes:

    “The preliminary text is very clear that the global temperature increase does not follow the continuous rise of CO2 emissions. That’s water on the water-wheel of climate skeptics, who argue that it is more the impacts of the sun that warm the Earth, and greenhouse gases, mainly CO2, less so.”

    The Hamburger Abendblatt asks:

    “Just how reliable are computer simulations that, although they correctly predicted the CO2 increase of the last 15 years, were completely off with the temperature development?”

    Global temperatures have stagnated since the new millennium began. To answer that question, the German daily asks (alarmist) professor Jochem Marotzke, Director of the Max Planck Institute für Meteorology in Hamburg. He told the Abendblatt: “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.”

    Maybe plateaus do show up in the models here and there. But none of the models showed a plateau for the last 15 years.

    Marotzke then insists that the record low Arctic sea ice extent measured last summer shows that things are heating up. Yet, strangely, he develops amnesia when it come to the Antarctic record high sea ice extent recorded last fall.

    The Abendblatt also writes that Marotzke is also annoyed that the IPCC AR5 draft was released prematurely, claiming that “it didn’t belong in public” and that “It is like stealing an unfinished car from the factory and then complaining that it is not complete.”

    Marotzke adds:

    “Anyone who signs up via the Internet and says he is an expert participates in the process. He only has to name 5 publications, which however are not assessed by the IPCC. We simply expect the information to be true. This openness makes us vulnerable.”

    http://www.abendblatt.de/ratgeber/wissen/article112396213/Die-Erderwaermung-macht-erst-mal-Pause.html

    Concerning his “unfinished car” analogy, Marotzke is saying that they forgot to put on the hood to hide the fact that the car doesn’t have, and never will have, a CO2 engine.

    Marotzke says “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.” Then maybe we should stop asking the lavishly funded bureaucrat scientist stand-ins such complicated questions so they can concentrate on getting their next report cleaned up; They still have quite a lot of stuff to sweep under the rug.

    They have busy schedules. They constantly need to travel from one tax payer funded congress to the next, not to mention the EU funded prices they need to collect for their efforts of saving the planet. :-)

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  29. kowtow (7,953 comments) says:

    kea

    Of course you are correct. If other Africans had not enslaved their “brothers” first and onsold them to the evil white man at the coastal forts there’d have been no African slave trade.

    But we can’t accuse black Africans of being evil,only whites fit the bill.

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  30. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    “Some Asian or Pacific Islander individuals migrate to New Zealand to work within the agricultural industry. However in some cases once they arrive here they find they have to work in far worse conditions than promised or for far less pay.”

    When I graduated University I was promised the World. I now work in a shithole office for much less pay then I had imagined (especially after the taxman has taken his cut)

    Have I been ‘Human Trafficked’?

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  31. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    What would the Bain followers and haters would do without his hero’s existence? They are littering KiwiBlogBain as if there is no tomorrow.

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  32. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Oh the howls of outrage from Hobbit fans blinded by Nationalistic fervour-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8161526/The-Hobbit-snubbed-by-Baftas

    I saw the film with a group of friends. Responses ranged from “OK but a bit dull and boring” to “a steaming pile of shit”.
    International film critics have panned it.
    Get over yourself New Zealand the World doesn’t owe you Academy awards…

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  33. axeman (251 comments) says:

    Oh and BTW … it maybe very hot in Australia at the moment but not as CATASTROPHIC as in the past. The worst heatwave ever recorded was at Marble Bar, Australia in 1923 and 1924. They had 160 days in a row over one hundred degrees.

    “The world record for the longest sequence of days above 100°Fahrenheit (or 37.8° on the Celsius scale) is held by Marble Bar in the inland Pilbara district of Western Australia. The temperature, measured under standard exposure conditions, reached or exceeded the century mark every day from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924, a total of 160 days.”

    Australia has a long history of heatwaves. The worst recorded heatwave was in 1939 when 438 people died. This heatwave affected South Australia, Victoria and New South Wales. Heatwaves have accounted for more deaths in Australia than any other climatic event. Some of the worst heatwaves on record are below:

    January 1896 – 437 people died
    January 1908 – 246 people died
    February 1921 – 147 people died
    January 1927 – 130 people died
    January 1939 – 438 people died
    February 1959 – 105 people died
    January 1973 – 26 people died
    February 1981 – 15 people died
    February 1993 – 17 people died
    February 2004 – 12 people died.

    http://www.ema.gov.au/www/ema/schools.nsf/Page/LearnAbout_HeatwavesIn_My_Backyard
    http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/natural-disasters

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  34. HB (298 comments) says:

    already over 28 degrees here in Hastings with an expected high of 33.

    it’s already a much better summer than last years :)

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  35. BlairM (2,307 comments) says:

    Justice for Robin Bain’s public facebook page is back up. All fellow travellers welcome:

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/408134969265868/

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  36. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    TV plumbing new depths: The reality series “All My Babies’ Mamas” is about rapper Shawty Lo’s 11 children by 10 different women.

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/09/all-my-babies-mama-petitioner-says-show-sends-very-dangerous-message/

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  37. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Good grief. Was this the 2013 NY resolution? TV talk show reviews?

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  38. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Manolo

    There is no tomorrow.

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  39. wreck1080 (3,810 comments) says:

    The nz trade weighted exchange rate is peaking at near all time highs since the dollar was floated.

    In fact, it has been higher just once back in 2007 , but only for a few days.

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  40. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=austrailer+temprature&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb

    Australia’s intense heat and catastrophic bushfires are likely to become a yearly occurrence – with one Australian scientist saying global temperatures have been rising for a consecutive 333 months.

    Professor Jeremy Williams, an ecological economist from Griffith University in Brisbane, said yesterday that the heat seen in Hobart and other areas of Australia was a direct example of the trend in global temperatures and climate change.

    “If you’re 27 or younger, rising monthly temperatures is all you’ve ever known.

    “The chances of that happening randomly is one in 100,000,” he said.

    “If it is 42 degrees in Hobart, there is something seriously wrong. Climate change is here now. While this upward trend continues we have to face the inevitable prospect that there will come a point when societies will not be able to function effectively.”

    http://www.noaa.gov/

    2012 was a historic year for extreme weather that included drought, wildfires, hurricanes and storms; according to an analysis released today by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. The average temperature for 2012 was 55.3°F, 3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year.
    There’s no need to explain to Texas ranchers or Florida oystermen that drought is disastrous; their losses from drought during the last couple of years can be counted in billions of dollars

    :lol:
    Seems the line its not happening is now becoming imposable to support

    So now its it is but it will not matter

    Ask the poor bastards in aussie if a warming world is not a problem
    Ask the farmers in the usa or england how the harvest is going

    When it comes to science trust the scientists not a rag tag bunch of proven lairs and nutters

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  41. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “This is a better version.”

    Thanks for the link Fala, a beautiful video.

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  42. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States John Roberts scheduled a case by attorney Orly Taitz dealing with Barack Hussein Obama’s use of forged IDs to be heard in conference before the full Supreme Court.

    The case titled Noonan, Judd, MacLeran, Taitz v Bowen provides a mountain of evidence of Barack Obama using a last name not legally his, forged Selective Service application, forged long form and short form birth certificate and a Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425 which was never assigned to him according to E-Verify and SSNVS.

    Additionally, this case provides evidence of around one and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California alone.

    So, now that Obama has now been re-elected and is feverishly deconstructing the US Constitutional Republic, will the lily livered cowards who have been saying, for four years, “we dare not question his qualification, we’ll all just be labeled at right wing nuts, and it will consolidate his support”, now look at the evidence?

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  43. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    birther:lol:
    who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
    the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less

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  44. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    That’s right, Grief, you’re like Obama just another global commie who wants to trash the American Constitution because it stands in the way of their ambitions.

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  45. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    And its not a stupid and pointless law. There are good reasons for it, but what would be pointless is trying to explain those reasons, as discerned by brave and principles men much wiser than so many of today’s ignorant uneducated politicians, to a fucking drooling idiot like you.

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  46. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Ure, I mean Griff, you’re talking rubbish. Just stop smoking.

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  47. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    This case has two premises.

    First. Plaintiffs provided the court with evidence of nearly One and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California. Such a large number of invalid votes justifies STAY of certification of the results.

    Second. Plaintiffs provided evidence of Candidate Barack Obama committing massive elections fraud by using forged IDs and a fraudulently obtained Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425, which was never assigned to Obama and using a name, which is not legally his, as he is listed under the last name Soebarkah in his mother’s U.S. Passport and there is no evidence of him ever legally changing his name from Barack Obama Soebarkah to Barack Obama.

    Additionally, in his school records in Indonesia his citizenship is listed as Indonesian, not American. There is no record of him relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and gaining the U.S. citizenship. Even if one were to believe that he arguendo changed his citizenship from Indonesian to American later in life, he would be a naturalized citizen and not natural born.

    Additionally, plaintiffs provided the courts with a sworn affidavits of Maricopa county, AZ investigator Mike Zullo, who is currently conducting a criminal investigation of forgeries in Obama’s IDs, and who attested that Obama’s birth certificate, Selective Service certificate and Social Security card represent forgeries. Similarly, Plaintiffs provided affidavits of Sheriff Joseph Arpaio, Senior Deportation Officer John Sampson, experts Paul Irey, Douglas Vogt and Felicito Papa and investigator Susan Daniels, all of whom are attesting that Obama’s IDs are forgeries.

    Affidavit of Assistant Clerk for the City of Honolulu Timothy Adams attests to the fact that there is no birth certificate for Barack Obama in any hospital in Hawaii. Statement of the Minister of Health of Kenya, James Orenga attesting to Obama’s birth in Kenya and Obama’s own biography submitted by him to his literally agent in 1991, stating that he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia.

    Plaintiffs are stating that if this court does not STAY the certification of the election results, this court will commit treason against the United States of America by allowing a foreign national, a citizen of Indonesia and possibly still citizen of Kenya to get in the position of the U.S. President and Commander n Chief by virtue of fraud and use of forged IDs and a stolen Social Security number.

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  48. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Weddy
    Cant prove your views with reason so insult
    at least i prove my views before I but the boot in
    birther nutter conspiwhackys
    soooo common among conservonutters :lol:

    Reality hurts so the poor conservonutters make up their own
    Black man the president he cant be American hes black

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  49. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff (3,828) Says:

    January 10th, 2013 at 11:32 am
    birther:lol:
    who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
    the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less

    Well the Obama camp does not agree with you Griff.

    Many of the same news organizations and research groups today dismissing concerns about Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility were far more eager to cover the issue when Republican presidential candidate John McCain was the subject.

    An archive search shows the question of McCain’s birth certificate and his eligibility to be president was actively pursued by Democratic Party activists…

    http://www.wnd.com/2010/03/127362/

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  50. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Manalulu
    thanks I would much rather be a pot smoking free thinker with the ability to sort fact from fiction then a moron who thinks conspiracy surrounds them
    did I tell you that your posts have never added to any debate at any time on kb
    ……..eh………

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  51. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Reality hurts so the poor conservonutters libtards make up their own
    Black white man the president he cant be American hes black white.

    See how facts can be fun Griff ? :)

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  52. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Kea
    when have facts ever been included in your posts
    squawk squawk goes the kea
    as he blurts out another made up post
    squawk squawk goes the kea
    as he posts on his favorite conspiwhacky
    squawk squawk goes the kea
    Its a global hoax by the left to rule the world

    N U T T E R alert

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  53. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I provided a link and quote Griff. I did not make it up and I do not control the internet (neither does BIG OIL). Google the subject for yourself. Both major parties in the US have tried to disqualify the competition based on the place of birth issue. It is a simple fact.

    Why the different standard, simply because POTUS looks more like his dad than his mum ?

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  54. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Temperature dips in 2012

    The average temperature in New Zealand last year was just 12.5 degrees Celsius, despite December’s unusually warm weather, according NIWA’s annual climate summary.

    That was 0.1C below the 1971-2000 annual average after 2012 started cloudy and wet, and had a particularly cold patch mid-year.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8162863/Temperature-dips-in-2012

    Following grief’s pattern of logic this is a strong indication of global cooling.

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  55. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Surely you guys have got better things to do than argue all day with a deranged loser like Grief.

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  56. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Falafulu

    I thought the moral of the story was that if Falafulu toes the lines…. then he doesn’t suffer social ostracism.

    Nothing wrong with that now, is there?

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  57. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Where is the different standard?

    my comment said who cares where a politician was born
    at no time have I stated who cares were a democrat is born but republican is different
    again makey stuff up ……eh ……..kea
    squawk squawk
    :lol:

    I do not vote for the left you morons how many times that has been stated yet the nutters still can not absorb it
    just because I actually like science and support the scientific method as valid does not make me a lefty
    can you conservonutters get that into you little brains
    science is not politics one is a reality the other purely a human construct

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  58. axeman (251 comments) says:

    No GRIEF it is not warming at all. Seems there is global COOLING :-(

    “Global Warming Is Taking A Break“ – that was the title of an article at the online Hamburger Abendblatt on 4 January 2013. And that’s hard to miss when you look at the latest global temperature chart in the following link:

    http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/09/ocean-heat-content-based-model-by-german-scientists-shows-continued-global-cooling/

    “We should not wonder that the first quarter of 2013 will be approx. one tenth of a degree C cooler than the previous months because the push by the last mini El Nino, which ended in fall 2012, is over. After a slight warming of a few hundredths of a degree in the second quarter of 2013, a tenth of a degree of cooling can be expected for the fall of 2013. This of course is only if no huge ENSO event occurs during the 2nd half of 2013.”

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  59. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Where is the different standard?

    Maybe this outburst:

    Weddy
    Cant prove your views with reason so insult
    at least i prove my views before I but the boot in
    birther nutter conspiwhackys
    soooo common among conservonutters

    Reality hurts so the poor conservonutters make up their own
    Black man the president he cant be American hes black

    I have provided evidence that both sides have used the birth issue. Yet you only spoke out against the “conservonutters ” and went on to play the race-card.

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  60. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Following grief’s pattern of logic this is a strong indication of global cooling.
    :lol:
    keep it up right now it makes a change from your normal pointless adhommes on the scientists

    0.1 degree under last century’s average
    ops a little mistake there righty
    you know
    untruth lie bullshite
    learning from squawky are you lie and make stuff up
    check your story and give a little retraction please

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  61. axeman (251 comments) says:

    And here is an up to date medium term trend of global temps

    https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/286232516107595776/photo/1/large

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  62. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “0.1 degree under last century’s average
    ops a little mistake there righty
    you know
    untruth lie bullshite”

    You’re making shit up again grief. I never said it was “0.1 degree under last century’s average”. Try reading it straight.

    “True or not who cares” eh grief?

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  63. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    No squawky I did not even know that some nutter on the left was trying the same trick
    I repeat just for you squawky
    birther:lol:
    Who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
    the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less

    get it now
    stupid pointless law full stop
    not “only stupid and pointless only for one side”squawk

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  64. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    squawk squawk goes the kea
    as he blurts out another made up post
    squawk squawk goes the kea
    as he posts on his favorite conspiwhacky
    squawk squawk goes the kea
    Its a global hoax by the left to rule the world
    ………… ops a little mistake there righty
    you know
    untruth lie bullshite
    learning from squawky are you lie and make stuff up

    I think it is time the KB community gathered around and helped encourage our friend Griff to get some A&D councilling.

    We are here for you Griffy. The world is not ending, but you do have an issue with the weed. ;)

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  65. axeman (251 comments) says:

    Now the flakes at the UK Met Office are into revision mode.

    “Climate model forecast is revised”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20947224

    It says the average temperature is likely to be 0.43 C above the long-term average by 2017, as opposed to an earlier forecast suggesting a (CATASTROPHIC :-)) difference of 0.54C.

    However if the “average temperature is likely to rise by 0.43 C by 2017″, it doesn’t specify that is 0.43 above the 1971-2000 average. Tthat would be no change then.

    In effect no increase in global temperatures over the 20 year period starting in 1997…

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  66. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    American patriots fought off the British and established the United States republic, underpinned by the Constitution.

    Due to the fact that they were patriots, the framers of the Constitution were extremely aware of the danger of a foreigner who might have allegiances to overseas powers assuming the office of President.

    They therefore specified that only a child born of two American citizens could qualify to be president. I repeat, the whole idea of the clause was to ensure unfaltering allegiance and loyalty to the US. To minimise as much as possible the chance of anyone with overseas allegiances obtaining the office.

    This purpose has been completely defeated by the election of Barack Obama whose stated intention is to downgrade the global power of the US.

    Obama’s overseas cultural experiences and his probable birth in Kenya have made it impossible for him to provide the loyalty to the US that the Constitution requires, and this is a fact that has been demonstrated in so many ways, most clearly when he is doing all he can to weaken the US’s armed forces by cutting its budgets and firing its old school generals and replacing them with touchy feely liberals who think like Obama.

    So the framer’s fears of a traitor assuming the President’s office have been realised.

    However this has only occurred because Obama has fraudulently claimed to meet the Constitution’s citizenship requirements.

    Barack Obama is a traitor and he has no legal right to be POTUS.

    That is the issue that is being fought, and for so many to claim that the Presidents eligibility is not an important issue is a demonstration of how lamely uninformed re history and law and the American Constitution so many citizens and politicians really are.

    And if all of that isn’t enough to make you think, reflect on the fact that Obama is today advocating using the executive order process (in other words not even submitting the law to Congress) to disarm the American public, in direct contravention of the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

    Barack Obama should be impeached and tried for treason.

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  67. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red, but the people of the US voted for Obama, twice !

    My believe in democracy over rides technical concerns about his eligibility. I say they should get what they asked for.

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  68. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    sorry right now
    :blush:
    mind you
    seeing that so what .1 degree under the last thirty year average
    not quite of the same magnitude of say
    1degree over the record all time
    small difference in scale there righty
    all time hot since we started taking records
    vrs .1 degrees below the average for thirty years from 1970 to 2000
    of course you can not see the diference

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  69. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Are we going into north Africa on stand by?

    Why are we arguing over old slavery practices when it has no impact on the more quiet version practiced today?

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  70. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Your belief in democracy is in this case worthless European socialist shit.

    The US is not a democracy per se.

    It is a Constitutional Republic.

    Learn the difference, and it might help you understand that the Constitution is the law, and nobody, voters or citizens or politicians can betray that Constitution and it cannot be changed unless by the process specified in the Constitution.

    You really need to learn to think a bit deeper Kea.

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  71. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff, look on the bright side, all this global warming will extend the growing season.

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  72. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “Why are we arguing over old slavery practices when it has no impact on the more quiet version practiced today?”

    Yeah, I tried to say that in my comment at 09:08.

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  73. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “seeing that so what .1 degree under the last thirty year average”

    I’m happy to accept that it is statistically insignificant grief. How ’bout it?
    Call it a gentleman’s agreement eh? 0.1 deg C is of no significance when discussing climate change.

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  74. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Your belief in democracy is in this case worthless European socialist shit.

    The US is not a democracy per se.

    Ok Red. Can you name a few democracies, for my benefit ?

    It looks like you are trying to say this is not “real” democracy, just as defenders of communism say the USSR, Mao’s China, etc were not “real” communists.

    I do not accept that cop-out from the commies & I do not accept from you either.

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  75. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    FFS-

    The framers knew about democracy. They’d seen it in action in Europe. They knew how easy it is for tyranny to arise through the perversion of the democratic process.

    So they made the US a Constitutional Republic rather than a socialist democracy.

    They understood the problems that can arise through the tyranny of the majority so they deliberately did not set up a socialist democracy but a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

    And in setting it up they put many checks and balances in there to oppose tyranny.

    Now with the Obama government in power, and acting so contrary to that Constitution, especially in attempting by executive order to disarm the citizenry, we see the result of ignoring the framers laws embedded in the Constitution. The US is staring tyranny in the face.

    Obama won by a few million votes.

    This does not give him the right to dissolve the Constitution.

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  76. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Kea (1,511) Says:
    January 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Take a look at this link Kea, at first i thought it must be rubbish but it was presented at that time, Very far forward thinking.

    http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

    As one hungarian friend stated to me on this. You fight something so long you will eventually become it.

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  77. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    love you link there axenuckle
    you missed the important bit

    However the paper concluded that, “in the absence of volcanic eruptions, global temperature is predicted to continue to rise, with each year from 2013 onwards having a 50 % chance of exceeding the current observed record”.

    This focus on the warmest year last century is a little skewed after all it was the warmest global temperature for around 150years not the best start point to prove there is no warming dont you think

    Not only have we demolished that record this century twice but the record of 1998 is rapidly becoming the norm

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  78. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    CLIMATE SCIENCE & SOCIAL JUSTICE

    A presentation by Griff

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  79. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Azeraph, Good link, thanks.

    While the US was fighting the, Cold War, it was losing ground to the socialists at home, right under its nose.

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  80. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    That’s right, Grief, you’re like Obama

    Did he marry a gorilla too?

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  81. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “Not only have we demolished that record this century twice”

    by how much grief? Less than 0.1 deg C wasn’t it?

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  82. Elaycee (4,332 comments) says:

    Warming? Really?

    Not according to the facts:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8162863/Temperature-dips-in-2012

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  83. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Elaycee, measurements & observation are not “climate science”. Empirical data is useless. Thermometers are a ploy by BIG OIL to hide the terrible truth.

    You need to focus on computer games models.

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  84. wreck1080 (3,810 comments) says:

    @elaycee — this is simply wrong to take a single year in one place as proof against global warming.

    Converselly, one single year of warming cannot be used to prove climate warming is real.

    In fact, you’d need to monitor global temperatures over say 100 years to get a true picture of global temperature trends.

    It does get boring people waving around a cold european summer or a hurricane as proof for or against global warming.

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  85. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I wonder if Reddy dreams of moving to the United States when he is bigger and joining forces with other birtherism-befuddled, rapture-seeking, gun-crazy ‘patriots’?

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  86. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    mikenmild, maybe Red can come visit you in the glorious socialist paradise of North Korea ;)

    You can educate him on gun control and human rights, as socialists are trend setters in that area.

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  87. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Reddy would do well in North Korea – the land of militaristic paranoid totalitarians.

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  88. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Yeah I admit he has a lot of common ground with the government of the dear leader.

    Liberty is not for dopers & queers. :)

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  89. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Kea, Milky is a troll, with a brain so narrow it is only 10 cm wide and held firmly in place in his skull by means of being between two short planks of wood wrapped in rubber bands.

    His petulant insults just reinforce the obvious fact that he has no ability to argue because he doesn’t know anything.

    You can get away with ignorance and stupidity when you’re a public servant.

    In fact its considered a positive and career enhancing attribute.

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  90. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “Liberty is not for dopers & queers.”

    Kea, you are a useful idiot.

    Don’t you ever ask yourself why the have been winning for so long, and why we today live in a virtual one party state where certain words and (worse) ideas are verboetten?

    The only way to defeat the left is never give them a millimetre.

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  91. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    When Reddy matures a bit perhaps he will be allowed to join a suitable branch of the public service and help out his fellow citizens.
    Study hard at school Reddy! Listen to your mother! You could yet make a contribution to your country!

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  92. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red, I agree with your central point on how the left have undermined our society. I do not agree that queers & dopers are necessarily lefties. We need everyone on our side we can get. It also relates to my belief in personal freedom, tempered with responsibility. Homos are not the natural enemy of the right. That is a leftist construction that does not fit with reality.

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  93. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Sorry Kea, you may be too tolerant of homosexuals to be allowed in Reddy’s imaginary world of freedom.

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  94. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    His petulant insults just reinforce the obvious fact that he has no ability to argue because he doesn’t know anything

    Own goal alert.

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  95. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    @#%% … edit ..!!

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  96. WineOh (608 comments) says:

    Honestly, is anyone else bored with the global warming discussions on here?

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  97. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Those issues are distractions that merely allow the left to fragment society and therefore fragment opposition. Its all part of the plan, and if you thought more deeply about such things you would see how you are being played like a violin.

    You have lost your freedom.

    It is gone.

    The fight now is to get it back, and concerning yourself with issues like homosexual marriage and pot smoking is just worthless shit.

    The left have been successfully employing these diversion strategies for decades and it has bought them unprecedented political power.

    Yet still people will not wake up to the fact that if there is one thing that will defeat the left it is a solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations, and it is only since they have destroyed these concepts that the left have assumed so much untrammeled power.

    Its like having a tiled floor, and the tiles are taken away piece by piece by piece until you have nowhere to stand except where the left want you to.

    We have to drive them back on every front, but put more energy into the larger concepts that solidify us rather than diversions that fracture us. Don’t let the left take any more tiles. Put them back and rebuild the floor we once had and that did not allow the left to control us. Its the only way.

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  98. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “Own goal alert.”

    Oh fuck off you petty obsessive troll, you have nothing but completely free of substance childish insults in every comment.

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  99. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Weddy wants to force the rest of us to be free
    With maximum prejudice
    Reminds me of some nutter named pol pot in that respect
    You can not be more free than the deceased :lol:

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  100. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Careful WineOh, Reddy is trying to divert attention away from the global warming discussion to theories about leftist undermining of the family unit in the West. Something to do with the Frankfurt School, possibly, but the Masons might figure in it as well and maybe even shape-shifting aliens, if we’re really lucky.

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  101. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    You just make sure you look after us slaves Milky, like any good slave owner should.

    Just imagine what would happen if we all went away and you had to do the work yourself.

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  102. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations

    Where do those who are not interested in a solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations fit within your grand plan
    do they get Red or a Black triangles ?
    Would I get both with oak leaves and five stars? :lol:
    Many of us will not partake in your grand plan
    Is that when you start loading the wagons

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  103. axeman (251 comments) says:

    GRIEF proclaims that “2012 was a historic year for extreme weather that included drought, wildfires, hurricanes and storms; according to an analysis released today by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. The average temperature for 2012 was 55.3°F, 3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year.

    However NOAA has inflated the 2012 record maximum number by adding new stations which didn’t exist during the hot years of the 1930s. That is a completely illegitimate approach, suitable only for government workers.

    An apples to apples comparison uses only the same stations. When that is done, 2012 doesn’t even crack the ten hottest years.

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/734851_394075694016466_1038821223_n.jpg

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  104. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Griff- think what you like. I’m not interested in your opinion on anything and I’m not interested in challenging it or changing it.

    You’re a completely irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit, a typical product of socialism, and there is nothing anyone can do to change that sad fact, but one thing we should know is not to waste our time trying to.

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  105. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    As Reddy is also an ‘irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit;, does that make his comments ironic, or just ‘a typical product of socialism’?

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  106. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Kea, Milky is a troll, with a brain so narrow it is only 10 cm wide and held firmly in place in his skull by means of being between two short planks of wood wrapped in rubber bands.

    Oh fuck off you petty obsessive troll, you have nothing but completely free of substance childish insults in every comment.

    Discuss.

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  107. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    axenuckle
    Unlinked graph just do not cut it
    It could be from any where
    Come on axey Link your source
    I love reading nutter blogs
    Must have read every one in the last couple of years
    Still haven’t seen one anyone with 0.25 of a brain would use for researching actual science

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  108. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    davinci, what about your current laconism? A New Year resolution, maybe?

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  109. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    oops, errata:

    You’re a completely irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit, a typical product of socialism, and there is nothing anyone can do to change that sad fact, but one thing we should know is not to waste our time trying to.

    … Obama married a gorilla ..

    Now, discuss.

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  110. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    There was no resolution because there is no tomorrow Manolo.

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  111. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Actually MM I thought i done a good job of dropping a godwin
    quite witty my reference to triangles

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  112. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    DVM
    If Reddy believes President Obama was born in Kenya, he may well believe anything. Hopefully the loving correction that he can receive at Kiwiblog will help him towards rationality.

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  113. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    axeman – a word of advice. If you do choose to keep playing with the THC afflicted, don’t bother linking to anything. In his sad, confused little world anything produced by a scientist become immediately ‘nutball juck denalists pig shit’ the instant it’s published on a site he doesn’t approve of – eg the worlds most viewed climate site. Conversly, the opinions of activists, NGOs and proven liars become worship-worthy science the second they’re published somewhere he does approve of.

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  114. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Hey griff, how many years have had an average temp more than 0.1 deg C hotter than 1998?

    Easy question. I suggest Hadcrut3 or 4 are most likely to return a non-zero result, but then again…

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  115. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    thedavaselinemode-

    The comment had substance, as it pointed out the fact that like yourself, more of Milkie’s contributions were petulant unamusing petty little insults rather than comments that provide any substance to any debate.

    Again, like you, he doesn’t know anything so he is at a loss in any discussion ranging outside typical socialist topics.

    If narcissism wasn’t your driving emotion, you’d have much better comprehension abilities. See if a shrink can fix that.

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  116. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    BTW, re the narrowness of Milkie’s brain.

    I should have written 10 millimetre not 10 cm.

    A deliberate mistake none of you obsessive readers of my comments appear to have picked up.

    Fail.

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  117. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Do you think Obama will employ the Order over gun violence? If so, What do you think a good chunk of America’s reaction will be?

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  118. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    KK with no link to anything except a graph it is valueless
    I want the website its a new spin on an old argument always amusing when they do that

    Refering to WUWT hows the paper going from that amazing scientist A Watt has he represented it with the time of bais added
    When he does he will prove that station placement does not change the warming trend :lol: all that work only to prove global warming

    At a guess axenuckle is linking to a source doing the same thing

    Using the unadjusted figures without the time of bais so the data is not a consistent measurement

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  119. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “Do you think Obama will employ the Order over gun violence? If so, What do you think a good chunk of America’s reaction will be?”

    I don’t know.

    Talk is cheap, and although there is much of it about concerning succession or a new civil war I’m not convinced.

    I think Obama may just be impeached.

    That said I think he wants an uprising.

    He has stacked the army with generals who think like him, and is prepared to kill 25 million Americans to do as his mentor Ayers suggested should be done to impose socialism/ communism in the US and delete the Constitution and the Republic from the country’s history.

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  120. RRM (9,666 comments) says:

    You spineless unprincipled weasel. Your painful drivel stands testament to what vile and deceitful strategies the Libertarians would resort to if they were ever in a position where the only restraint was their own morals. Exactly the kind of lowlife we both know you really are … cowardly shallow deceitful turd burgling scum.

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  121. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Yes RRM, another of the davaselinemode’s party of cowards and low intellect losers who have no compunction in placing text here that they know was not written by myself, (but implying to those who may not know its source that it was.)

    Deceit and cowardice is how you operate RRM, and one only has to wait around for a short time, and as always, you will provide an example of what a hate filled lying and deceitful little yellow bellied dirtbag you really are.

    One of the few times I have responded to your worthless crap, and only needed to do so to counter your smear that I had written the above.

    Have a good day scumbag.

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  122. RRM (9,666 comments) says:

    I merely pasted up some text Weddy.

    It amuses me that you self-identified with it so quickly :-)

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  123. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Oh, I was going to remind you that your habitual horrible smiley face symbol was missing but I see its back now.

    Hypocrisy never troubled you one iota did it?

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  124. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Obama… kill 25 million Americans…. deletes… Constitution and the Republic.

    Weddy 2 points for the outstanding conservonuutter conspirawhacky of the week. Have you ever thought of starting your own blog?

    ops, you have one and it almost not quite had 50 views one month.

    Tells as more name the others in the grand plot.

    Ill take a biiiiiiig toke and chuckle for the next hour.

    Nothing like a conspiawhacky for a good laugh :lol:

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  125. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    grief, still waiting. How many years can you find that are more than 0.1 deg C hotter than 1998?

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  126. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    the comment had substance

    the ball was in

    Discuss.

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  127. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    It might be time to stop picking on Reddy now. Although it is good sport, I am starting to feel a bit sorry for him. I’ll keep chuckling to my self over him accusing me of being narrow-minded though.

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  128. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    DVM
    “‘You cannot be serious”?

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  129. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    So, given that Singapore is the model society that doesn’t tolerate anti-social behaviour, what would happen if a narcissistic over-inflated bag of wind parked his car on a bridge and held up traffic for miles just to make himself feel important?

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  130. RRM (9,666 comments) says:

    Fake Redbaiter:

    Exactly the kind of lowlife we both know you really are … cowardly shallow deceitful turd burgling scum.

    Real Redbaiter:

    as always, you will provide an example of what a hate filled lying and deceitful little yellow bellied dirtbag you really are.

    Oh, and :-)

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  131. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Very well done milky.

    But your sorrow for him is merely your pinko inner self. It’s just political so you don’t need to worry.

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  132. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “It might be time to stop picking on Reddy now.”

    Well, you could always try argument, but I guess seeing that requires knowledge and information and intelligence, we won’t be seeing that change take place.

    I mean listening to Radio NZ all day is going to leave you about as well informed as your average Russki reading Pravda back in the fifties isn’t it?

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  133. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    turd burglar

    Is that what the other boys called you at school reddie? Is that why they wouldn’t play with you? (No I don’t mean that)

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  134. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    what would happen if a narcissistic over-inflated bag of wind parked his car on a bridge and held up traffic for miles just to make himself feel important?

    The Singaporean version of the prison holiday camp in Midnight Express, I would imagine. Perhaps Sarah would be the one to visit?

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  135. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    thedavaslelinemode, another slinking coward, uses his National party based relationship with the blog owner to post messages that would get other commenters instant demerits.

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  136. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    hudson

    Sarah never replied to any of his letters so no.

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  137. RRM (9,666 comments) says:

    And just for comparison, here’s one by some other “Redbaiter”, one who racked up 13,197 posts. Obviously no relation, as setting up multiple user accounts would be deceitful and duplicitous

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/capitalisms_bad_pr.html#comment-393811

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  138. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    tdvm,

    Perhaps the inflatable version then?

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  139. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Are we playing wheres wally RN

    record Temperature 1998 very warmer than the preceding 250 odd years
    http://berkeleyearth.org/results-summary/
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

    Big jump up to the 1997-1998 high temperature last century
    We have increased that temperature since
    you could say from 1995 the temperature has risen .4 of degrees
    or as you try to misrepresent .1 from 1998
    The peaks are interesting as aussie found out can cause catastrophic effects
    The trend is global warming
    http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/temp/hansen/graphics/gl_land.gif
    The peaks are weather
    oh and nutjobs peaks may be weather but they are obviously the result of the warming trend

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  140. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    A friend said to me he’s “Baiting” the conservatives with the order but she say’s it feels like they have an adolescent for a President.

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  141. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Sorry fans, have to leave now.

    It is so sad to leave such a den of erudition and wit.

    Feel free to carry on without me.

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  142. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Az, check out the Drudge Report.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/

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  143. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    And for the cartoon for those that are terminally confused over the whole thing
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif

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  144. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Oblique grief, the question was simple, you shouldn’t have had any problems finding the answer.

    Suddenly 0.1 deg C isn’t looking so insignificant to you now?

    You see this is why you’re a hypocrite:

    When it’s wamer by < 0.1 deg C you say "we demolished that record"

    When it's cooler by 0.1 deg C you say "so what"

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  145. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    YIPPEE!!! My favourite gif from the SS.

    So, what’s the long term trend in the escalator gif grief?

    Is it:
    a) >2 deg C per century
    b) <2 deg C per century

    Easy question again. Obvious answer too. It's clearly below 2 deg C per century. And this is your big smoking gun :)

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  146. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    See above graph RN you may not Get it but most sane people would.

    Does the record stand now RN ? no its gone no more record smashed twice

    Will a new record happen soon
    met service UK says 50% chance any given year in the future will be a global temperature record

    Pointing out all time record temperatures for countries and the globe is reminding people that global warming is happening
    pointing out cold snaps and cool years is talking about the weather :lol:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/16_more_years_of_global_warming.html
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/05/el-nino-global-warming/

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  147. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    met service UK says 50% chance any given year in the future will be a global temperature record

    So there is a 50% chance it will not be a temperature record.

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  148. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Sure there’s been warming grief. Just like there was warming in the first half of the 20th century, in fact the slopes are identical – i.e. the same rate of warming.

    Where’s the anthropological fingerprint though? The warming has flatlined, emissions haven’t.

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  149. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    So who started all this AGW business and who paid for it:

    Mrs Thatcher could not have promoted the global warming issue without the support of her UK political party. And they were willing to give it. Following the General Election of 1979, most of the incoming Cabinet had been members of the government which lost office in 1974. They blamed the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) for their 1974 defeat. They, therefore, desired an excuse for reducing the UK coal industry and, thus, the NUM’s power. Coal-fired power stations emit CO2 but nuclear power stations don’t. Global warming provided an excuse for reducing the UK’s dependence on coal by replacing it with nuclear power. …

    So, early in her global warming campaign – and at her personal instigation – the UK’s Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research was established, and the science and engineering research councils were encouraged to place priority in funding climate-related research. This cost nothing because the UK’s total research budget was not increased; indeed, it fell because of cuts elsewhere. But the Hadley Centre sustained its importance and is now the operating agency for the IPCC’s scientific working group (Working Group 1). Most scientists’ work depends on funds fully or partly provided by governments. Also, all scientists compete to obtain their share of this limited resource. Available research funds were shrinking, and global warming had become the ‘scientific’ issue of most interest to governments. Hence, any case for funding support tended to include reference to global warming whenever possible.

    http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm

    The history and funding is not disputed btw.

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  150. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Most of which has happened since 1975 speeding up as predicted

    oh look squawky is doing statistics clap clap

    of course the first point in a series is always a record

    with progressively less chance of a record the more the data points

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  151. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The cat is out of the bag:

    “And so she said to the scientists – she went to the Royal Society and she said: “there’s money on the table for you to prove this stuff”. So of course they went away and did that.”

    http://www.ofcomswindlecomplaint.net/fullcomplaint/p65.htm#C71

    This is one of Griffs “scientists”

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  152. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    ” [Nigel Lawson]
    She was very concerned, always – I remember when I was Secretary of State for Energy – to promote nuclear power, long before the issue of climate change came up, because she was concerned about energy security; and she didn’t trust the Middle East, and she didn’t trust the National Union of Mineworkers: so she didn’t trust oil, and she didn’t trust coal. Therefore she felt we really had to push ahead with nuclear power. And then when the climate change/global warming thing came up, she felt: “well this is great: this is another argument – because it doesn’t have any carbon dioxide emissions – this is another argument why you should go for nuclear. And that is what she was really, largely, saying. It’s been misrepresented since then.

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  153. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    hudson

    That is the reason he purchased the inflatable version, but if you are seriously suggesting that an inflatable Sarah could rescue him then that’s just being silly. Even the fully optioned auto-drain multi-rider model couldn’t pull that off.

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  154. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “Most of which has happened since 1975 speeding up as predicted”

    Speeding up? Lay off the weed boy, you’re hallucinating!

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  155. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    but if you are seriously suggesting that an inflatable Sarah could rescue him then that’s just being silly.

    No, but in Midnight Express his visitor (girlfriend) did feel very sorry for him…

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  156. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Even the fully optioned auto-drain multi-rider model couldn’t pull that off.

    tdvm,

    Hidden file?

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  157. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    cospirowhaky alert Maggie did it
    contradiction alert rwnj use Maggie as the originator of the great global warming conspiwhaky
    Squawky has previously stated its a commie plot by the vast left wing campaign to inflict agenda 21 on the world
    Extreme risk of nutter brain cognitive dissonance explosion

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  158. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    The truth behind this story is much more interesting than is generally realised, not least because it has a fascinating twist. Certainly, Mrs Thatcher was the first world leader to voice alarm over global warming, back in 1988, With her scientific background, she had fallen under the spell of Sir Crispin Tickell, then our man at the UN. In the 1970s, he had written a book warning that the world was cooling, but he had since become an ardent convert to the belief that it was warming,

    But she embraced truth:

    In other words, long before it became fashionable, Lady Thatcher was converted to the view of those who, on both scientific and political grounds, are profoundly sceptical of the climate change ideology. Alas, what she set in train earlier continues to exercise its baleful influence to this day. But the fact that she became one of the first and most prominent of “climate sceptics” has been almost entirely buried from view.

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  159. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7823477/Was-Margaret-Thatcher-the-first-climate-sceptic.html

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  160. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    In her own words.

    http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108237

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  161. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    hudson

    Completely impractical given its susceptibility to puncturing as evidenced by the mood swings from just unpleasant and nasty to pathologically embittered bigotted and rascist redneck.

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  162. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    scientific and political grounds, are profoundly sceptical of the climate change ideology.

    1 papers that dont dispute the current scientific consensus on agw 13926+
    papers that depute the current consensus 24

    http://scienceprogress.org/2012/11/27479/
    http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/index/

    There is No statistically significant debate among the scientists.

    2 Again the presentation of the scientific consensus around global warming as a ideological issue
    the attempts to minimize the effects may be politics

    The science NUTTERS is not :lol:

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  163. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff, just slow down a bit and look at what I and others have presented to you.

    You seem intelligent enough to understand. You are fixated on the “science” but discount the other (human) factors influencing that science. It is like you have Autisim or something.

    I respect the scientific method greatly. But there are many examples of scientists getting caught up in the moment and being very wrong in their conclusions. I know that you know that, so wake up and have a fresh look.

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  164. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    News: Gun makers prepare to counter gun bans with refusal to do business with the military, law enforcement or any government entity. If their civilian products are banned then no sales to the government either.

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  165. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    1865 baseball card found in Maine to be auctioned

    It’s not the same as a modern baseball card

    http://www.krqe.com/dpps/news/strange/1865-baseball-card-found-in-maine-to-be-auctioned-nd13-jgr_5304732

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  166. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    News: Gun makers prepare to counter gun bans with refusal to do business with the military, law enforcement or any government entity. If their civilian products are banned then no sales to the government either.

    Ha ha ha……

    What the authority worshiping anti gun crowd do not understand is that private citizens developed most of the military arms. The government does not own them. We allow the government to use our inventions.

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  167. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Look At what? your conspiowhacky :lol: Unsupported conspiracy thinking may be normal to you to me that says nutter in flashing capitals.
    Scientist caught up in the moment :lol; over the last forty years of research and data collection by ten of thousands all sucked in by a lie :lol: odds are way to high to get any conspiwqhacky or false scientific premise past the reality filter

    The science says global warming 13926 papers to 24
    The physical world around us says global warming

    Nutter blogs funded by the carbon industry blatantly attempting to distort the scientific reality around climate change
    Very often the same people involved in the tobacco industry’s attempt to do the same over the danger of cigarette smoke
    all easily verified and documented
    As I have read most of them I am more aware of there arguments than you are. Most are the same old recycled blatant crap that’s been echoing around for years. By the way you dont need desmog blog or similar to find this out a smart person would work it out for themselves

    Nutters stick their heads in the sand and go nah nah nah its not happening
    or squawk squawk as the case may be

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  168. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    kea – Lost cause. You can’t debate with someone who can’t debate, moreso when the CAGW industry lies just spew out in an incoherent THC-inspired jumble comment after comment. His inability to acknowledge there’s enough controversy to warrant a look a basic human motivations, eg confirmation bias, simply leaves no room for reeasonable discourse.

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  169. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nutter blogs funded by the carbon industry

    1. Explain what the carbon industry is ?

    2. Who funds the AGW scientists ?

    You are too much of a coward to answer that and I have asked you many times. I suspect you know your lying.

    Their is no such thing as the “carbon industry”. Coal miners and oil drillers make money from coal and oil. There is no money in denial of AGW.

    The AGW crowds ONLY source of income is fear of climate change. They have nothing else. A few years ago no one would have even heard of “climate scientists” but now they siphon billions from the workers of the world through taxes.

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  170. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    krazykiwi, yeah you are right. He seems to be getting worse too.

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  171. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nutter blogs funded by the carbon industry blatantly attempting to distort the scientific reality around climate change
    Very often the same people involved in the tobacco industry’s attempt to do the same over the danger of cigarette smoke

    So the (imaginary) carbon industry is conspiring with tobacco growers to destroy the earth :)

    This shows how drugs really can help creativity. Though it clearly comes at a price.

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  172. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    This seems topical.

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nca81qumnylp90o/2012-12-19_2200.png

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  173. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Russia’s advice to the US: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/

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  174. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    nasska & manolo, great links :)

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  175. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    what do you think science is KK
    If multiple strands of research reach the same conclusion scientist are inclined to trust this conclusion is sound
    13926 papers to 24 you are quite welcome to dispute any paper you disagree with
    The very few attempts to disprove global warming do not stand up to peer review you can look at comment etc for most papers online if you are interested . One of my prior links had good commentary on the few published anti AGW papers.

    squawk squawk pulls fact from:wwwfactspulledoutofmyarsefornutterscom. billions and billions of conspiwhacky dollars :wink:
    What did RN post the other day $330.000 for two years work for two or three people About the same as any similar research say into the link between conspiracy thinking and mental disorder.
    Of course some idiots dont want us to research climate change its a little too scary for their poor brains to cope with.

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  176. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    Yup, as we speak the Obama death squads are fanning out……

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  177. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Hay Griff you cowardly little prick……… still waiting for answers.

    Oh and do not forget the details of the “climate experiment” you told us about yesterday. I will expect all the usual links to scientific papers that you provide when lying about AGW.

    I used to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you were wrong, but sincere. Now I see you are both wrong and insincere. You are motivated by the same thing as the left, hatred of your fellow man due to your personal self esteem issues.

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  178. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Why kea thanks for the analysis
    Ive had worse :lol:

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  179. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    My pleasure Griff. Keep being a wanker and I will do worse ! ;)

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  180. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Problem: to much carbon as co2 added to atmosphere causing temperature to rise

    Answer: reduce carbon added to atmosphere Stop burning fossil fuels (coal gas oil for squawk)that add the co2

    conflict: How do we support our standard of living ..cost of change from carbon oil gas goal economy to sustainable or nuclear
    conflict: how do oil gas and goal companies continue to make money if we stop using their product (money :lol: kea co2 is a by product of how they make their money)
    conflict : how does the developing world develop if they are denied the boost we received from burning hydrocarbons and making co2

    Answer nukes ? :lol: maybe that’s Obama next move after killing all the political dissenters He will nuke the red states to glass.
    I wounder if reds all right hes has to be inline for assignation hes so important in the conservative movement is this country.

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  181. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff, now we are getting somewhere. The architect of AGW had a problem with the dam commie coal miners back in the old country. She decided to sell Nuclear Energy to the hippie generation and pulled it off. Clever bitch.

    Yep fossil fuels add co2, but the contribution is tiny. Rotting vegetable matter contributes more, as do many other natural emitters. (Actually “carbon” in that context means organic and fossil fuels are just organic matter.)

    Keep up the science study and cut back on the hooch, you will get there.

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  182. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “What did RN post the other day $330.000 for two years work for two or three people”

    RN posted no such thing. RN pointed out that the totally inept Gergis received another grant of more than $300k even after completely fucking up the last paper she worked on – which was totally ripped apart by skeptics resulting in the journal rejecting the paper outright.

    And the hypocrite grief thought Anthony Watts getting funding of $88k, mostly to pay a developer, is evidence that skeptics are funded by big oil!

    Now grief, all the ‘peer-reviewed’ papers in the world don’t change the fact that the warming has stopped do they? Although a lot of them go through great feats of contortion to try and explain why, while still trying to claim CO2 is the overwhelming forcing in climate change.

    But when the rate of warming approaches zero, completely falsifying models projecting accelerated warming, your suspension of disbelief is truly something awe inspiring. Or you’re just a moronic sheep.

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  183. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    baa

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  184. chiz (1,131 comments) says:

    Some people have readable signatures. Some people have unreadable signatures. Then there’s Jack Lew, possibly in the running for US treasury secretary. His signature just consists of loops. There don’t appear to be letters at all in it!

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  185. Steve (North Shore) (4,522 comments) says:

    I have a question.
    This Carbon that is being released by burning fossil fuels; where did the Carbon come from?
    Was it already in the atmosphere and got absorbed, and now we get Oil that we use as fuel that goes into the atmosphere where it came from?
    I think someone needs to explain the porkies being told

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  186. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Loved the cognitive dissonance rush you had at 6:50 squawky
    you know that having conflicting reality with the world around you causes hair to grow on your palms :lol:

    Read this is helps with the old cog dis and doesn’t cost like a shrink :lol:

    http://www.philosophersbeard.org/2010/08/conspiracy-thinking-part-ii.html
    Diagnosing and Refuting Conspiracy Thinking
    The difficulty of conspiracy thinking is its pathological character; the problem of conspiracy thinking is the enormous danger of false positives. One way to identify and challenge conspiracy thinking is to evaluate its internal coherence: ‘Do these claims even make sense in their own terms?’

    I previously discussed the importance of an authoritative common sense about the way-the-world-works in protecting societies from conspiracy thinking. One might call this the ‘external coherence’ test: are such theories consistent with what you know of how the world works? Think of Barney Frank’s response to the loonies: ‘On what planet do you spend most of your time?’.

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  187. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    Now noone had better tell reddy about this. NZ no 1 in the freedom stakes, Singapore 39.

    surely not. Can’t be Reddy syays its a much better place.

    The index is a chapter in Towards a Worldwide Index of Human Freedom (.pdf) (published by Fraser and Liberales) which has the following table. It shows the rankings, the numbers are the ratings for personal freedom, economic freedom and the freedom index:

    1 New Zealand 9.2 8.22 8.73
    2 Netherlands 9.5 7.45 8.47
    3 Hong Kong 7.8 9.02 8.39
    4 Australia 8.8 7.83 8.33
    5 Canada 8.7 7.92 8.33
    6 Ireland 9.0 7.68 8.33
    7 United States of America 8.7 7.93 8.30
    8 Denmark 8.9 7.71 8.30
    9 Japan 9.2 7.38 8.28
    10 Estonia 8.9 7.65 8.28
    11 Switzerland 8.6 7.96 8.26
    12 Norway 9.2 7.34 8.26
    13 Finland 8.8 7.54 8.16
    14 Austria 8.7 7.59 8.13
    15 Luxembourg 8.7 7.53 8.12
    16 Chile 8.2 7.99 8.12
    17 Iceland 9.0 7.16 8.10
    18 United Kingdom 8.4 7.78 8.08
    19 Slovakia 8.6 7.57 8.07
    20 Costa Rica 8.8 7.35 8.05
    21 El Salvador 8.5 7.58 8.04
    22 Uruguay 9.4 6.67 8.03
    23 Spain 8.8 7.19 8.00
    24 Albania 8.6 7.38 7.98
    25 Portugal 8.9 7.08 7.97
    26 Bahamas 8.8 7.08 7.94
    27 Malta 8.8 7.06 7.94
    28 Panama 8.5 7.32 7.92
    29 Sweden 8.6 7.26 7.91
    30 Mauritius 8.1 7.61 7.88
    31 Hungary 8.4 7.39 7.87
    32 Belgium 8.5 7.14 7.83
    33 France 8.4 7.20 7.78
    34 Czech Republic 8.7 6.88 7.78
    35 Germany 8.0 7.47 7.75
    36 Guatemala 8.3 7.15 7.73
    37 Poland 8.6 6.88 7.73
    38 Peru 8.0 7.36 7.68
    39 Singapore 6.6 8.75 7.67
    40 Italy 8.5 6.75 7.62
    41 Lithuania 8.2 7.03 7.61
    42 Bulgaria 8.0 7.18 7.60

    43 Slovenia 8.5 6.61 7.56
    44 Korea, Republic of 7.7 7.33 7.53
    45 Cyprus 7.6 7.50 7.53

    more:http://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/were-free/

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  188. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    # Steve.

    http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/sccs/public/where.html

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  189. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Steve. Good question. It is also another question Griff refuses to answer, but he will hurl abuse at you for asking.

    All the co2 in fossil fuels came from the atmosphere. This is because fossil fuels are organic matter.( Same as GE free Organic mung bean sprouts.) Plants absorb co2 and must do so in order to live.

    All known life is carbon based. When any form of live breaks down, it releases the carbon back to where it came from, the atmosphere.

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  190. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    cha, the little picture is bullshit (your link).

    Most co2 goes back into the atmosphere through decomposition, not fossil fuel. That picture shows all terrestrial co2 turns to fossils and only re-enters the cycle when processed by man. That is a blatant lie.

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  191. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    A priest was vested in his surplice and cassock ready to
    proceed at the beginning of a procession. His surplice
    was very ornate, and he was swinging the incense pot,
    which had smoke coming from it.

    Lance, the flaming fruit from down the road,
    touched him on the shoulder and said, “Darling, I love
    your dress, but your purse is on fire!”

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  192. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “cha, the little picture is bullshit (your link).”

    Take my advice.

    Never click on the socialist goon’s links.

    I learned long ago that they’re worthless, and now I have no curiosity whatsoever as to what they might convey.

    If the snivelling little commie is so incoherent and ill educated he can’t articulate his position himself, then fuck him anyway.

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  193. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Steve
    All at once we are putting carbon that has been buried over tens of millions of years back into the atmosphere
    To much co2 makes the atmosphere warm up
    Squawks version of reality ignors that we are adding lots of co2 to the atmosphere that is not part of the normal carbon cycle
    When the earths atmosphere had lots more carbon it was a lot warmer. If we keep adding this buried carbon it will be again.

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  194. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red, I encourage you to check out cha’s link. It is really doing my head in how much these people are willing to distort the truth.

    Check it out : http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/sccs/public/where.html

    Note how all life turns into fossils ! Wow, hard to be polite about that shit.

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  195. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    I see Reddy’s back from the charm school to spread his inimitable rays of sunshine.

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  196. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    Yes!.

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  197. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    Question

    Why do people who hide behind pseudonyms call other people who hide behind pseudonyms cowards?

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  198. Left Right and Centre (2,883 comments) says:

    Longknives at 10:30am

    This is the Man.

    You have been human trafficked citizen.

    Just in case you are tempted to get above your station in life, The Man recommends that you repeat the following mantra for thirty seconds slowly and with emphasis every fifteen minutes during work hours. *I am human traffic*.

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  199. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    squwk squwk
    :lol: its like watching a spinning top get the wobbles
    cog dis…. cry to weddy …eh….
    He will understand his own reality has wobbles as well :lol:

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  200. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Viking2-

    You need to get an education, then you might now when you’re being jerked off by liberal propagandists.

    The expression is “no one”.

    There is no such word as noone.

    (In that context. It is of course otherwise a proper noun)

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  201. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    dvm
    cause it makes them think they are not ?

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  202. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Good question thedavaselinemode-

    But its nothing to do with pseudonyms.

    Its to do with being a gentleman, wherein you never take an advantage that you may have and use it against anyone.

    When you do that, for example when you call people “turd burglars”, and do that only because you know that you have the advantage of the blog owner’s patronage and therefore will not be demerited, it is the action of a coward.

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  203. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    Suicide To Be Punishable By Death

    Following last week’s announcement that suicide in Singapore will be regulated, the government has decided to make suicide a capital offence.

    “Suicide is a deadly serious matter of life or death,” said Minister for Suicide Mr. Yeow Teow Loh. “We cannot let citizens decide important things by their own hands and affect our manpower projections.”

    The MOS has written a white paper, and will be tabling it for debate in the next parliamentary session.

    The Suicide and Miscellaneous Manpower Offences Bill calls for those attempting suicide to face a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.

    However, repeat offenders will face the death penalty.

    “We believe that the strongest possible sentence will deter offenders,” said Mr. Yeow.

    The move has been welcomed by EuthanAsians, an Asian right to death pressure and support group.

    “We back the new death policy,” said Dr. Mao Mah Tee, president of EuthanAsians. “And we will do whatever it takes to get the bill passed. Die-die must become legislation.”

    Minister Yeow continued, “The Bill is not yet complete. We may not have jurisdiction over successful suicides. As they have gone beyond, we don’t know if we can catch them. But we are confident. After all, God is on our side.”

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  204. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    Reddy, lighten up. A little poem just for you.

    Another year has passed
    And we’re all a little older.
    Last summer felt hotter
    And winter seems much colder.

    There was a time not long ago
    When life was quite a blast.
    Now I fully understand
    About ‘Living in the Past’

    We used to go to weddings,
    Football games and lunches.
    Now we go to funeral homes
    And after-funeral brunches.

    We used to have hangovers,
    From parties that were gay.
    Now we suffer body aches
    And wile the night away.

    We used to go out dining,
    And couldn’t get our fill.
    Now we ask for doggie bags,
    Come home and take a pill.

    We used to often travel
    To places near and far.
    Now we get sore arses
    From riding in the car.

    We used to go to nightclubs
    And drink a little booze.
    Now we stay home at night
    And watch the evening news.

    That, my friend is how life is,
    And now my tale is told.
    So, enjoy each day and live it up…
    Before you’re too damned old!

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  205. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Reddy won’t like the bit about ‘parties that were gay’.

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  206. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    squwk squwk
    its like watching a spinning top get the wobbles
    cog dis…. cry to weddy …eh….

    So Griff, you believe that all life becomes a fossil then ?

    There goes ever last scrap of your credibility. Don’t bother to use/abuse science any longer.

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  207. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Viking2 you shouldn’t take all the bullshit that people come up with on here as gospel, all that does is prove you to be a gullible fool. Anyone can write anything on the internet and true or false it will often find a life of its own. You should know that by now if you have a functioning brain.

    I’m enjoying a slow period at work at the moment but Sunday I’m back into my usual schedule of 18 hour days and global travel (one of the reasons I cannot blog as frequently as I wish, its just too time consuming) and I’m not at all the person you seem to believe I am or that you appear to be yourself.

    However, just go on believing what you want. In the end, its not that important who I am or what I do, its what I say that is the issue.

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  208. RRM (9,666 comments) says:

    The usual queer pathetic Progressive weasel arsehole fruit homo bottom politically confused narcissistic clowns hapless waffling of a feeble minded Progressive child molesters hypocrisy get you this enraged you seriously need some kind of treatment a liar a charlatan and a coward pathetic cowardly little blog.

    :-)

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  209. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    No squawky I believe that you brain has become fossilized by conspiwhacky paranoid delusion
    That is similar but not quite the answer you are looking for

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  210. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    So the knowledge that not all living things become a fossil is “conspiwhacky” in your dope addled world.

    You should stick to opinion pieces and forget the science stuff Griff.

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  211. nasska (10,910 comments) says:

    RRM

    Our cryptoanalysts have finally managed to break the “Baitercode” which has had everyone stonewalled for years. I can confirm that Reddy’s statement….”I’m enjoying a slow period at work at the moment but Sunday I’m back into my usual schedule of 18 hour days and global travel “…..actually means that he is heading off on a deep ops mission.

    The enemies of conservatism should be afraid….very afraid! :)

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  212. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    The pilots pilot Bob Hoover performs stopped engine aerobatics.

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  213. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    “not all living things become a fossil”
    That is imposable to prove have you read a study on all living things in the universe encompassing the entire time frame of reality no so again we have a squawk

    Dont look at me cha dropped that one not me

    Are you an aspie? you seem to have a very hard time following normal human discourse in a liner way and you take things way to literal with an ASD like inability to cope with analogy

    See the shrink do the test and get the meds kea it will help with the cog dis and paranoia as well

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  214. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Cha, that was a much better link. Amazing

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  215. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    AUSTRALIA’S supply of vacant jobs is dwindling, making it harder to find work than it has been in years. New results from the only comprehensive national survey of vacancies show they have slid 8 per cent in the past year, undoing most of the gains since the global financial crisis.

    Australia had only 166,000 vacant jobs in November, down from 193,000 two years earlier. More than 600,000 Australians were looking for work.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/job-vacancies-plunge-as-confidence-slides-20130109-2cguy.html#ixzz2HYn0GJq4

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  216. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Cha, I know your a commie so you may like this display. One of my favourite planes.

    Su-35 thunderstorm at MAKS 2009

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  217. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    Mrs Yeagers little fella Jimmie isn’t happy.

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  218. cha (3,856 comments) says:

    Rather partial to Jack Northrups flying wings myself.

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  219. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/rogue-asteroid-a-fifth-bigger-than-first-thought-20130110-2chj8.html
    An asteroid believed to pose a remote risk of colliding with Earth this century is 20 per cent larger than previously thought, according to the European Space Agency (ESA).

    ESA said its Herschel deep-space telescope had scanned a space rock called 99942 Apophis last weekend as it headed towards its closest flyby with our planet in years on Thursday.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/rogue-asteroid-a-fifth-bigger-than-first-thought-20130110-2chj8.html#ixzz2HYpzt5Qq

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  220. kowtow (7,953 comments) says:

    Viking.s having a larf using that index as evidence of anything.

    When HK gets 3rd place where they can’t choose their own govt!

    But for some fuckwits if Aotearoa/NZ gets top billing then they go all weak at the knees.

    And Viking’s been shitting on all year about us being US poodles ,police state etc.

    Not to mention the criteria,how slack is your arse was one of the categories!And do women get to boss the boys around FFS!

    Shit in shit out.

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  221. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    their boost from mining can only insulate them so long
    If those that postulate china’s economy is in a overheated bubble are right.
    Its only time and mining takes a hit.
    Aussie then rushes to fall as far as everyone else.
    As you get older you realize boom’s always bust sooner or later.

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  222. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    Quite an interesting article on the reactions of Barack Obama’s suckholing commie press aparachiks to the Drudge headline picturing Obama with Stalin and Hitler-

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/journalists-react-in-shock-to-drudge-report-header-featuring-hitler-and-stalin/article/2518041?custom_click=rss#.UO6BtfXjbyL

    The comments are worth the read too.

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  223. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    you shouldn’t take all the bullshit that people come up with on here as gospel, all that does is prove you to be a gullible fool. Anyone can write anything on the internet and true or false it will often find a life of its own.

    Quite an interesting article on the reactions of Barack Obama’s suckholing commie press aparachiks

    Discuss if you can be bothered. I can’t.

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  224. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100197458/aussie-heatwaves-and-the-met-office-reveal-the-certainties-and-uncertainties-that-are-forgotten-in-the-climate-row/

    It’s been a big couple of days for furious climate rows. If you’re in the BIG-OIL-FUNDED KOCH BROTHERS DENIER camp, you’ll have been waving around a copy of a Met Office report and crowing. If you’re in the GREENY ALARMIST TRUE-BELIEVER WATERMELON camp, then you’ll have been pointing with sad eyes and an I-hate-to-say-I-told-you-so face at the bush fires and record heatwaves in Australia, where the local Bureau of Meteorology has had to add two extra colours onto their weather maps, to represent previously unheard-of temperatures – 54C in some parts of the country.
    )
    0)
    )
    Anyone saying that we have to sacrifice the global economy to save the climate is asking the impossible. Anyone saying that anthropogenic climate change isn’t a genuine threat to human wellbeing is blind. The only sensible debate is the one that takes those facts into consideration. That was true before Australia boiled and before the Met Office ran its latest model, and it’s true now.

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  225. Redbaiter (8,032 comments) says:

    “Discuss if you can be bothered. I can’t.”

    Except you can.

    All day every day.

    Obsessed to the point of insanity, and apparently a New Year’s resolution that lasted only days.

    You really do need to see a shrink.

    Even for a National Socialist, you’re in a pretty bad way.

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  226. thedavincimode (6,590 comments) says:

    So ‘baitey, why did you refer to Michelle Obama as a gorilla?

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  227. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    I see the bainites have got around to bestiality
    Who fucked a goat seems to be the pivotal piece of evidence at present
    Quite funny when the gay marriage one hits the same theme of discussion. Whos going to marry a goat?
    Is there some link between the church god and goats or is that the other god bunch?

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  228. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    What is the hottest time of the day grief? Is it 1pm (daylight savings time) when the sun is at it’s zenith and it’s rays have to travel through the least amount of atmosphere? No, it’s between 3 and 4.30 depending on factors like cloud and wind.
    It’s similar with summer. Although our longest day, with the most sunlight, is around Dec 22, the hottest time of the summer happens after that.
    Think about that, perhaps wait until you’re straight.

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  229. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Right now
    Read the above link you will like it More a measured line between the two camps than totally polarized

    warmest time of day is around 1500 standard time
    longest day 22 December shortest 22june
    warmest period around late Feb early March coldest July August
    Inertia -Takes time to warm up as summer progresses
    Same thing with forcing like sun activity or el nino time gap between the phenomenon and the resulting warmth in the yearly record
    Probably one of the reasons met changed the forecast. Many pundits where guessing at a el nino this coming year we are over due for one with the solar activity rising the two together would have “smashed” the global temperature record by .2 +
    Common knowledge that does not need modals to project.
    As it is you can see the effect of the solar maximum in this cycle projected into met estimate

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  230. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Which is why solar forcing can’t be discounted for late 20th century warming griff. Are you getting it now?

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  231. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    Jesus Christ I just got home from the pub (a few drinks with an old mate) and General Debate is still wanking on about Global Warming…

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  232. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    The solar output has been dropping since around 1970 that is to long a period between cause and effect.were did the heat hide
    The solo cycle I referred to is the sunspot cycle of around 11 years The delay from memory is around 7 months
    interestingly the last cycle was longer than the norm
    If the sun spot cycle did stop and we entered into a solar minimum the effect is minimal around +-0.1 degrees

    I read the paper last week bob C and defrizy and some one else placing the elnino as the cause of the present warming. The third guy done a projection modal run if you like using his theory. Massive fail he predicted a 0.4 degree drop over the last 3 years well wide of the mark. so that’s not a go ether

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  233. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    The once great NZ Herald.
    Now a product of our failing socialist education systm Or perhaps the Aussie one. Who know what dumb turkey write the English prose for the.

    http://screencast.com/t/i8ZDwCslW

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  234. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Criminal parents using children as their meal ticket: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8165258/Police-expose-kids-neglect

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  235. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    damm no edit. grrrrr

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  236. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    Perhaps that’s the Herald’s problem. Do you think?

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  237. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Monica voted for him too: http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2013/01/bill-clinton-named-father-of-the-year-153760.html

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  238. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    griff “The solar output has been dropping since around 1970″

    Really?
    http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/solar-forcing-can-the-sun-heat-the-earth/
    (note the data for the graph is from NOAA)

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  239. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Yes right now note the lack of rise since 1950
    The temperature has trended up since 1970 quite considerably

    Superimpose the temperature record over your graph and you will see a fall of in congruence since around 1970
    To much lag half a century unless someone can find a mechanism for such a long delay between cause and effect
    hence the suns activity and temperature on earth do have a effect but are not capable for being responsible for warming since 1970
    The only input that does account for the warming since 1970 is co2

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  240. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “note the lack of rise”

    Now we’re getting to the heart of the matter griff. If I put a pot on the stove to boil, do I have to keep increasing the temperature under the pot to maintain heating? No. The element heats up, and then maintains a constant heat until the water boils.
    This is where the ‘consensus’ position becomes counter-intuitive.

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  241. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “Superimpose the temperature record over your graph”

    Superimpose the temperature record over a CO2 emissions graph. You will see a fall in congruence since around 1998.

    I posit that CO2 forcing has been given too much weighting compared to solar forcing.

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  242. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Without a doubt, Kiwis are the most stupid people I have every met, and ignorant of world events. If you want to see why, check out the front page news on Stuff. A dancing toddler ! What sort of moron does that appeal to, I shudder to think.

    What a nation of dreary mindless socialists. I am well past caring what happens to us here in NZ. Let the “Asian Invasion” begin.

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  243. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme
    your continued use of a peak with a known reason as proof of no global warming is disingenuous
    It may work for the readers of some rubbish articles and allow nutters to spin. You are trying to do the same with someone informed not a nutter.
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm
    Watch the vid

    That’s why the significance of the little warming .1 since 1998 is so important it happened without the el nino or sunspot activitys contributions to global temperature leaving only the co2 induced warming as the cause . With or without these two natural inputs the temperature trend is still rising.

    The co2 induced warming is still happening.

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  244. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme” – well that argument puts alarmists in a tight spot griff. If we accept that 1997-1998 peak was largely due to natural variation, then that discredits the weighting given to CO2 forcing to cause that steep slope that has been the blade of the hockey stick. Which way do you want to have it? CO2 forcing or natural variation.

    “use of a peak with a known reason as proof of no global warming” – wake up, nobody is denying there has been warming, it’s the causes we’re disputing.

    “the significance of the little warming .1 since 1998 is so important” – yet it doesn’t agree with model projections or the contention that there will be more than 2 deg C warming per century.

    However, since you like SS so much, I would like to refer you to this article, which delightfully points out that forcing from CO2 is of +0.63 W/m² and is congruent with scenario D – which leads to a century trend of around 1.5 deg C.
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1332

    So what’s the problem?

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  245. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Again you are spinning :lol: nutter

    As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme” – well that argument puts alarmists in a tight spot griff. If we accept that 1997-1998 peak was largely due to natural variation, then that discredits the weighting given to CO2 forcing to cause that steep slope that has been the blade of the hockey stick. Which way do you want to have it? CO2 forcing or natural variation.

    Stupid RN the climate is warmer now without the natural warming effect of el nino or sunspot activity hence the natural effect is not stronger than the co2 forcing
    If you can not see your logic flaw there is no further point in debating back to default.
    Nutter

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  246. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Stupid grief, even SS says the trend is 1.5 deg C per century. Do you disagree?

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  247. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    The IPCC Fourth Assessment Report summarized climate sensitivity as “likely to be in the range 2 to 4.5°C with a best estimate of about 3°C, and is very unlikely to be less than 1.5°C. Values substantially higher than 4.5°C cannot be excluded, but agreement of models with observations is not as good for those values.”

    Individual studies have put climate sensitivity from a doubling of CO2 at anywhere between 0.5°C and 10°C; however, as a consequence of increasingly better data, it appears that the extreme higher and lower values are very unlikely. In fact, as climate science has developed and advanced over time , estimates have converged around 3°C. A summary of recent climate sensitivity studies can be found here.

    A study led by Stefan Rahmstorf concluded “many vastly improved models have been developed by a number of climate research centers around the world. Current state-of-the-art climate models span a range of 2.6–4.1°C, most clustering around 3°C” (Rahmstorf 2008). Several studies have put the lower bound of climate sensitivity at about 1.5°C,on the other hand, several others have found that a sensitivity higher than 4.5°C can’t be ruled out.

    My position
    2.6–4.1°C

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  248. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    There’s some suspension of disbelief if you think even 2.6 is realistic based on empirical data and given the weighting appled to GHG forcings by the consensus climate scientists

    1) The increase in radiative forcing from GHG equivalents between 1990 and 2010 is 0.627 w/m^2
    Data from the last table at http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/

    2) SS argues that this amount of forcing makes scenario D the appropriate projection from the FAR
    Table 2: FAR Figure A.6 radiative forcing projections from 1990 to 2010

    Scenario Change in forcing, 1990-2010
    BaU +1.23 W/m²
    B +0.78 W/m²
    C +0.70 W/m²
    D +0.63 W/m²
    Actual +0.63 W/m²

    (sorry I don’t think the table formatting is going to come across)

    3) The scenario D projection according to the ‘Best estimate, graph B’ leads to a realised temperature rise of 1.9 deg C from 1875

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1332

    Ergo, according to empirical evidence, SS, and the FAR, there is likely to be less than another 1 deg C temperature rise by 2100.

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  249. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    Good news huh? Assuming a linear increase in CO2 we can expect no more than 1 deg C per century of warming.

    So what’s the problem?

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  250. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Yes right now if you use the outdated farr d projection from 1990 and ignore the last twenty years of research

    Modern projections are for 2 to 4 as already stated

    You can spin all you like

    the aussies have a problem: its melting:
    the yanks have a problem: its drying out and melting
    the poms have a problem: its drowning

    early days yet

    climate change proven by the changes in the world around us: indisputable

    reality hurts ostriches
    when their arse gets bittern even though their heads are in the sand

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  251. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Griff, have you considered the Sun as a factor ? (you know, that enourmous Nuclear powered monstrosity that blasts our planet 24/7 )

    Or is the warming entirely due to the trace gas co2 ?

    If so, why is it cooler at night ?

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  252. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    your arse got a bittern griff? Did it fly up there or were you felching it?

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  253. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    squawk
    because the fusion powered sun goes to beddybys?

    have you considered that your brain farts are the cause of the warming
    you have enough to melt your undies
    I have yet to see a solid one with actual content

    have you considered that scientists may actually know more about actual science than nutters in the right wing nut job category
    Have you considered if right nows source of argument is correct there will be papers published proving the position

    When that happens we can all forget about global warming
    until then you ether follow science or follow known bullshit artists
    Some choice for a intelligent unbiased person …..eh …….

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  254. Viking2 (11,281 comments) says:

    Losing track of time, discovering gaps in sentences where you have misplaced words, time and space appear to be on a wobble, and the day simply disappears.

    According to one researcher these symptoms and a number of others, including feeling agitated and uneasy, are caused by solar flares.
    In recent years, scientists are finding the Earth’s magnetic fields are far more significant than they previously thought. They now know that the human brain contains “millions of tiny magnetic particles.”

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/37455-flaring-hot-summer.html

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  255. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Usual stuff from Griff. The debate moves beyond his Google skills, so he ignores questions and does a 2:06, before droppping any pretence of participation and launches a bunch of poorly exectuted ad hominem’s.

    His eco-religious and guilt driven confirmation bias makes it impossible to entertain any thoughts outside the doomsday script. He is one of a diminishing number of foot soldiers, as the evidence that contradicts the CAGW theory mounts. As noted recently, once the ‘research’ grants start to dry up the scientists who are currently victims of income/lifestyle confirmation bias will move on, accelarting the end of the worlds biggest scam.

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  256. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    A Sheep No More

    Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax

    If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “Immunization Schedules,” which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government documents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease.

    Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system’s elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study’s findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.

    You can access Dr. Tomljenovic’s full paper here:
    http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

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  257. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    polio

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  258. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    diminishing number :lol:
    evidence that contradicts the CAGW theory mounts :lol:

    You are squawking to KK
    saying diminishing numbers might make you feel part of a growing group it does not make it so
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/20/most_americans_believe_global_warming_is_caused_by_human_activity/
    Saying there is mounting evidence does not produce that evidence
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

    Unfortunately for you the physical world is making it imposable for your continued attempts to place political expedience above scientific reality

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  259. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    hinamanu
    We are being sympathetic to the KB community by keeping the agw debate on an obsolete page
    Yes there is conspiwhacky thinking here
    no we dont want to play alt med nutter anti science as well

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  260. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    “Unfortunately for you the physical world is making it imposable for your continued attempts to place political expedience above scientific reality”

    Heh. The reality is that the un-adjusted temperature has flat-lined, and the only way to can claim it is warming is by blaming it on natural variation.

    Even SS posts confirmation that the long term trend is way less than 2 deg C per century.
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1332

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  261. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    squawk
    because the fusion powered sun goes to beddybys?

    have you considered that your brain farts are the cause of the warming
    you have enough to melt your undies
    I have yet to see a solid one with actual content

    have you considered that scientists may actually know more about actual science than nutters in the right wing nut job category
    Have you considered if right nows source of argument is correct there will be papers published proving the position

    When that happens we can all forget about global warming
    until then you ether follow science or follow known bullshit artists
    Some choice for a intelligent unbiased person …..eh …….

    Gosh Griff ! I was just asking, no need to get all snippy with me.

    You put forward a very erudite, convincing and well written response. After reading that, I am sure many sceptics will now believe the world is ending because of farting cows on NZ dairy farms. :)

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  262. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    I had a mental picture of grift sifting through your undies looking for solid ones :)

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  263. Griff (6,997 comments) says:

    Well dome RN you have the concept now. The only way you can claim its not still rising is to ignore the natural variation.

    cycle is such a hard concept for nutters to grasp UP AND DOWN around a norm with a warming trend busyrising underneath

    one a random SOI one a eleven years sunspot CYCLES

    sunspot going up warming soi in el nino warming

    last five years no el nino no sunspots still record warmth
    coming years with sunspots and or elnino
    significant new record that makes denial even harder to support
    chance 50% that any given year in the future will be a new record\Uk met service

    Meanwhile record climate extremes grow even more convincing and denial even less supportable
    http://www.meatpoultry.com/News/News%20Home/Business/2013/1/Weather%20extremes%20in%202012%20to%20impact%20food%20prices.aspx?cck=1
    The NOAA also compiles what it calls the US Climate Extremes index, and 2012 was the second most extreme year on record for the nation. The index, which evaluates extremes in temperature and precipitation, as well as landfalling tropical cyclones, was nearly twice the average value and second only to 1998. To date, 2012 has seen 11 disasters that have reached the $1 billion threshold in losses
    http://www.onmilwaukee.com/market/articles/jagler010913.html
    “As the Washington Insurance Commissioner, I am concerned because increasing weather-related losses pose threats to the industry’s financial stability, which could ultimately lead to a crisis of affordability and availability of essential insurance for consumers and businesses, as well as solvency problems for insurers themselves. Potentially larger extreme weather losses in the future, driven by climate change, make these scenarios especially worrisome,” Kreidler wrote in September, not knowing at the time that Sandy was right around the corner.

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  264. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    It seems you’re saying that even the current climate is catastrophic griff? Climate changes FFS.
    We can’t sustain the whole 2 degree C thing after all?

    From the SS article we see the increase in radiative forcing from GHG’s has been .63 w/m^2 between 1990 and 2010, but that level of increase isn’t enough to take us above 2 deg C in a hundred years!

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