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An Otago politics student Stephanie Lowe has set up an awareness website on Human Trafficking in NZ.
This also covers the trafficking problem worldwide (which is huge). Please at least visit the site and respond to the poll (in the right sidebar on the Home page).
The Problem - on a global scale
1. There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history – with some estimates of the number being as high as twenty-seven-million.
2. Sex trafficking is one of the three largest industries, coming after the arms and drugs industries. It is estimated to be worth around $32 billion.
1. There is very little information about the problem of human trafficking in New Zealand
2. New Zealand Government fully complies with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking – and is in tier 1 of the US Department of State’s Trafficking in Perons Report
3. The Prostitution Law Review Committee estimated that approximately 200 young persons under the age of 18 were working as prostitutes in 2004
4. New Zealand is a source country for underage girls who are forced in to internal trafficking
5. New Zealand is a destination country for foreign women and men subjected to forced labour
6. The men are usually from countries such as Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Indonesia – and are usually forced to engagd in activities aboard fishing vessels with NZ waters
7. Women who are trafficked to New Zealand usually come from China and countries within South East Asia – they tend to be recruited by people in their home counrties as ‘labour agents’ for the purpose of prostitution
8. Victims trafficked from overseas usually arrive in New Zealand to have their passports confiscated, experience physical and mental abuse, and are forced to work extremely long hours with very little or no pay
9. There is a small percentage of girls and boys of Maori or Pacific Islander descent who are trafficked internally and forced to participate in street prostitution
10. Some Asian or Pacific Islander individuals migrate to New Zealand to work within the agricultural industry. However in some cases once they arrive here they find they have to work in far worse conditions than promised or for far less pay.
For more information about human trafficking in New Zealand you can visit:
See the old man with a grey shirt sitting at the front (at about 8 second into the song), he sings nice bass voice. Well, I was singing that very same bass voice on the same song at a BBQ at my sister’s house plus my other family members in Botany. Her teenage daughter played the Piano and we all sang along. The second verse I flipped and sang in the tenor voice (ie, same voice as the standing man in the group of 3 with 2 other women) while my older brother covered the bass voice. The last verse, I played my euphonium, and my teenage nephew sang in the tenor voice, by older brother still in he bass voice, and 2 of my sister’s neighbours came out to listen to us singing. It was beautiful.
Over the years I haven’t been invited to my family gatherings be it BBQs , dinners, birthday party, etc, simply because I debate with them on the scientific basis for the existence of God because they’re all Christians (Tongan Methodist). I always out debated them and that’s why they sort of distance themselves from me as an outcast because my belief. Its only recent in the last few months that we all realized that we”re blood, it means that our personal beliefs had to be put aside because family get together is important. Since I’ve been welcomed back to my family, I’ve never brought up any religious bashing topic with them since in any family get together.
The moral of my story here is that one can still get along with his/her religious family members even they all have different beliefs.
Otago politics student Stephanie Lowe has set up an awareness website on Human Trafficking in NZ.
This also covers the trafficking problem worldwide (which is huge). Please at least visit the site and respond to the poll (in the right sidebar on the Home page) – http://www.humantraffickingnz.com/
“There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history”
“Sex trafficking is one of the three largest industries, coming after the arms and drugs industries.”
All this negative publicity about Novopay; who’d have ever suspected that there were actually payroll problems back when Chris Carter was Education Minister, and before he signed the first contract with the Novopay providers?
It used be called “The Revelation” where God would smote man for his evil. It seems some folk got tired of waiting and came up with another yarn, to scare us into obedience.
@ kea it’s used because many people on the side of the argument that express doubts about the impending doom (“denialists” to link them with Holocaust denial) actually do accept that (depending on start date and period measured) the climate is warming and that man’s actions probably do have some (unknown at this time) effect, they just dont accept that there is a catastrophe coming as a result. So it’s actually “our” term not “their” term.
Re slaves- Yes there are more than at any time in history because they are called taxpayers and forced to work for more than half the year and therefore more than half their productive life to keep a group of elitists in the style they are accustomed to.
Slave owners abound on this blog actually with Milky being the most prominent example currently.
People who are part of the unproductive government sector but who force the rest of us to work so they can live a life far above what would be their normal status.
People who produce nothing themselves but take by legislation from those who do produce.
Slaves and slave owners- thats what we have, but the elitists fool you by calling it something else.
I blame the “slave” problem on the busy-body Europeans & British, who (recently) came up with the notion slavery was wrong. Until that time, there was no slave problem.
Interestingly, the notion slavery was wrong, was not promoted due to concerns over human rights, but for economic reasons.
As Pete George has pointed out (“There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history”) this idea slavery is wrong has not caught on. Africans were selling each other into slavery well before the Europeans arrived and continue to do so.
Objections to slavery appear to be a (historically recent) idea advanced by European people in priviledged societies. In the less priviledged European societies, they often sell girls into the sex industry, once they have them hooked on drugs.
You dont have to look to Africa, the Greeks and Romans had very well establish slave systems.
My problem with Pete’s list is he is using a very elastic definition of slavery – under 18 year olds becoming prostitutes, employees not getting expected terms and conditions – really, that’s slavery?
A lot of the child labour stuff is simply what our (European) societies looked like a little over 100 years ago. This too will pass by ensuring such countries develop as free market democracies rather than breast beating and wailing about “the children”.
Modern “slavery” wil never get the attention that good ole time European slavery ,you know Gone with the wind,Roots,Amistad type anti American/anti white sentimental crap got, for the simple reason that the current practioners of “slavery” are mainly non white and non Christian…….so the guilt ridden anti west cafe attending latte slurpers and media mongols will simply not play.
Ben Shapiro was on with Sean Hannity last night to discuss his new book “Bullies: How the Left’s Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America” and to list the top five progressive bullies in America today. As a final question, Hannity asked Ben how do conservatives counter the progressive bullies today. Ben answered,
“We can’t be civil with them. We can’t. We’ve reached the end of bipartisanship. We’ve reached the end of civility. It’s like the Geneva Conventions. These people are out of uniform. Once they exit the realm of civility they are now fair game. And it’s enough playing fair with them. It’s enough having the moral high ground. If we have the moral high ground it means that we lose. We need to start fighting back and fighting back hard.”
the current practioners of “slavery” are mainly non white and non Christian
Actually they always were. The Africans had a vibrant slave trade with the Muslims to the North, as well as trading among themselves. The Europeans represented a new market, but it was a flash in the pan.
krazykiwi (8,552) Says:
January 10th, 2013 at 8:36 am
griff- you are a poster boy for the alarmist movement: Not terribly smart, fearful and willing to believe the establishment’s line no matter what.
You’ll find yourself increasingly without support, despite your improving Google skills. I note that kiwiblog’s most vociferous supporters of CAGW have quietly stepped back from this debate. That’s probably wise as the growing set empirical evidence does not support runaway AGW, and the evidence of scientific fraud both in construction of the theory, and in the assembly of data inputs starts to mount.
If believing the CAGW lie helps you get through your day then fair enough. But do keep posting. You’re doing more to dissuade the fence-sitters than rational debate, which you seem impervious to, will ever do.
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As you should have realised gwiff, more and more of the world, like the Germans, are seeing through your global warming scam
Leading German Daily Announces: “Global Warming Has Stopped”, Questions IPCC Models
By P Gosselin on 8. January 2013
It took them 15 years to notice it: CO2 is not driving the climate.
German online daily Hamburger Abendblatt here has a story titled: Global Warming Takes A Break, citing the leaked copy of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, which is due to be released in September, 2013. The Hamburger Abendblatt writes:
“The preliminary text is very clear that the global temperature increase does not follow the continuous rise of CO2 emissions. That’s water on the water-wheel of climate skeptics, who argue that it is more the impacts of the sun that warm the Earth, and greenhouse gases, mainly CO2, less so.”
The Hamburger Abendblatt asks:
“Just how reliable are computer simulations that, although they correctly predicted the CO2 increase of the last 15 years, were completely off with the temperature development?”
Global temperatures have stagnated since the new millennium began. To answer that question, the German daily asks (alarmist) professor Jochem Marotzke, Director of the Max Planck Institute für Meteorology in Hamburg. He told the Abendblatt: “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.”
Maybe plateaus do show up in the models here and there. But none of the models showed a plateau for the last 15 years.
Marotzke then insists that the record low Arctic sea ice extent measured last summer shows that things are heating up. Yet, strangely, he develops amnesia when it come to the Antarctic record high sea ice extent recorded last fall.
The Abendblatt also writes that Marotzke is also annoyed that the IPCC AR5 draft was released prematurely, claiming that “it didn’t belong in public” and that “It is like stealing an unfinished car from the factory and then complaining that it is not complete.”
Marotzke adds:
“Anyone who signs up via the Internet and says he is an expert participates in the process. He only has to name 5 publications, which however are not assessed by the IPCC. We simply expect the information to be true. This openness makes us vulnerable.”
Concerning his “unfinished car” analogy, Marotzke is saying that they forgot to put on the hood to hide the fact that the car doesn’t have, and never will have, a CO2 engine.
Marotzke says “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.” Then maybe we should stop asking the lavishly funded bureaucrat scientist stand-ins such complicated questions so they can concentrate on getting their next report cleaned up; They still have quite a lot of stuff to sweep under the rug.
They have busy schedules. They constantly need to travel from one tax payer funded congress to the next, not to mention the EU funded prices they need to collect for their efforts of saving the planet.
Of course you are correct. If other Africans had not enslaved their “brothers” first and onsold them to the evil white man at the coastal forts there’d have been no African slave trade.
But we can’t accuse black Africans of being evil,only whites fit the bill.
“Some Asian or Pacific Islander individuals migrate to New Zealand to work within the agricultural industry. However in some cases once they arrive here they find they have to work in far worse conditions than promised or for far less pay.”
When I graduated University I was promised the World. I now work in a shithole office for much less pay then I had imagined (especially after the taxman has taken his cut)
I saw the film with a group of friends. Responses ranged from “OK but a bit dull and boring” to “a steaming pile of shit”.
International film critics have panned it.
Get over yourself New Zealand the World doesn’t owe you Academy awards…
Oh and BTW … it maybe very hot in Australia at the moment but not as CATASTROPHIC as in the past. The worst heatwave ever recorded was at Marble Bar, Australia in 1923 and 1924. They had 160 days in a row over one hundred degrees.
“The world record for the longest sequence of days above 100°Fahrenheit (or 37.8° on the Celsius scale) is held by Marble Bar in the inland Pilbara district of Western Australia. The temperature, measured under standard exposure conditions, reached or exceeded the century mark every day from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924, a total of 160 days.”
Australia has a long history of heatwaves. The worst recorded heatwave was in 1939 when 438 people died. This heatwave affected South Australia, Victoria and New South Wales. Heatwaves have accounted for more deaths in Australia than any other climatic event. Some of the worst heatwaves on record are below:
January 1896 – 437 people died
January 1908 – 246 people died
February 1921 – 147 people died
January 1927 – 130 people died
January 1939 – 438 people died
February 1959 – 105 people died
January 1973 – 26 people died
February 1981 – 15 people died
February 1993 – 17 people died
February 2004 – 12 people died.
Australia’s intense heat and catastrophic bushfires are likely to become a yearly occurrence – with one Australian scientist saying global temperatures have been rising for a consecutive 333 months.
Professor Jeremy Williams, an ecological economist from Griffith University in Brisbane, said yesterday that the heat seen in Hobart and other areas of Australia was a direct example of the trend in global temperatures and climate change.
“If you’re 27 or younger, rising monthly temperatures is all you’ve ever known.
“The chances of that happening randomly is one in 100,000,” he said.
“If it is 42 degrees in Hobart, there is something seriously wrong. Climate change is here now. While this upward trend continues we have to face the inevitable prospect that there will come a point when societies will not be able to function effectively.”
2012 was a historic year for extreme weather that included drought, wildfires, hurricanes and storms; according to an analysis released today by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. The average temperature for 2012 was 55.3°F, 3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year.
There’s no need to explain to Texas ranchers or Florida oystermen that drought is disastrous; their losses from drought during the last couple of years can be counted in billions of dollars
Seems the line its not happening is now becoming imposable to support
So now its it is but it will not matter
Ask the poor bastards in aussie if a warming world is not a problem
Ask the farmers in the usa or england how the harvest is going
When it comes to science trust the scientists not a rag tag bunch of proven lairs and nutters
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States John Roberts scheduled a case by attorney Orly Taitz dealing with Barack Hussein Obama’s use of forged IDs to be heard in conference before the full Supreme Court.
The case titled Noonan, Judd, MacLeran, Taitz v Bowen provides a mountain of evidence of Barack Obama using a last name not legally his, forged Selective Service application, forged long form and short form birth certificate and a Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425 which was never assigned to him according to E-Verify and SSNVS.
Additionally, this case provides evidence of around one and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California alone.
So, now that Obama has now been re-elected and is feverishly deconstructing the US Constitutional Republic, will the lily livered cowards who have been saying, for four years, “we dare not question his qualification, we’ll all just be labeled at right wing nuts, and it will consolidate his support”, now look at the evidence?
birther:lol:
who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less
That’s right, Grief, you’re like Obama just another global commie who wants to trash the American Constitution because it stands in the way of their ambitions.
And its not a stupid and pointless law. There are good reasons for it, but what would be pointless is trying to explain those reasons, as discerned by brave and principles men much wiser than so many of today’s ignorant uneducated politicians, to a fucking drooling idiot like you.
First. Plaintiffs provided the court with evidence of nearly One and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California. Such a large number of invalid votes justifies STAY of certification of the results.
Second. Plaintiffs provided evidence of Candidate Barack Obama committing massive elections fraud by using forged IDs and a fraudulently obtained Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425, which was never assigned to Obama and using a name, which is not legally his, as he is listed under the last name Soebarkah in his mother’s U.S. Passport and there is no evidence of him ever legally changing his name from Barack Obama Soebarkah to Barack Obama.
Additionally, in his school records in Indonesia his citizenship is listed as Indonesian, not American. There is no record of him relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and gaining the U.S. citizenship. Even if one were to believe that he arguendo changed his citizenship from Indonesian to American later in life, he would be a naturalized citizen and not natural born.
Additionally, plaintiffs provided the courts with a sworn affidavits of Maricopa county, AZ investigator Mike Zullo, who is currently conducting a criminal investigation of forgeries in Obama’s IDs, and who attested that Obama’s birth certificate, Selective Service certificate and Social Security card represent forgeries. Similarly, Plaintiffs provided affidavits of Sheriff Joseph Arpaio, Senior Deportation Officer John Sampson, experts Paul Irey, Douglas Vogt and Felicito Papa and investigator Susan Daniels, all of whom are attesting that Obama’s IDs are forgeries.
Affidavit of Assistant Clerk for the City of Honolulu Timothy Adams attests to the fact that there is no birth certificate for Barack Obama in any hospital in Hawaii. Statement of the Minister of Health of Kenya, James Orenga attesting to Obama’s birth in Kenya and Obama’s own biography submitted by him to his literally agent in 1991, stating that he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia.
Plaintiffs are stating that if this court does not STAY the certification of the election results, this court will commit treason against the United States of America by allowing a foreign national, a citizen of Indonesia and possibly still citizen of Kenya to get in the position of the U.S. President and Commander n Chief by virtue of fraud and use of forged IDs and a stolen Social Security number.
Weddy
Cant prove your views with reason so insult
at least i prove my views before I but the boot in
birther nutter conspiwhackys
soooo common among conservonutters
Reality hurts so the poor conservonutters make up their own
Black man the president he cant be American hes black
January 10th, 2013 at 11:32 am
birther:lol:
who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less
Well the Obama camp does not agree with you Griff.
Many of the same news organizations and research groups today dismissing concerns about Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility were far more eager to cover the issue when Republican presidential candidate John McCain was the subject.
An archive search shows the question of McCain’s birth certificate and his eligibility to be president was actively pursued by Democratic Party activists…
Manalulu
thanks I would much rather be a pot smoking free thinker with the ability to sort fact from fiction then a moron who thinks conspiracy surrounds them
did I tell you that your posts have never added to any debate at any time on kb
……..eh………
Kea
when have facts ever been included in your posts
squawk squawk goes the kea
as he blurts out another made up post
squawk squawk goes the kea
as he posts on his favorite conspiwhacky
squawk squawk goes the kea
Its a global hoax by the left to rule the world
I provided a link and quote Griff. I did not make it up and I do not control the internet (neither does BIG OIL). Google the subject for yourself. Both major parties in the US have tried to disqualify the competition based on the place of birth issue. It is a simple fact.
Why the different standard, simply because POTUS looks more like his dad than his mum ?
The average temperature in New Zealand last year was just 12.5 degrees Celsius, despite December’s unusually warm weather, according NIWA’s annual climate summary.
That was 0.1C below the 1971-2000 annual average after 2012 started cloudy and wet, and had a particularly cold patch mid-year.
my comment said who cares where a politician was born
at no time have I stated who cares were a democrat is born but republican is different
again makey stuff up ……eh ……..kea
squawk squawk
I do not vote for the left you morons how many times that has been stated yet the nutters still can not absorb it
just because I actually like science and support the scientific method as valid does not make me a lefty
can you conservonutters get that into you little brains
science is not politics one is a reality the other purely a human construct
No GRIEF it is not warming at all. Seems there is global COOLING
“Global Warming Is Taking A Break“ – that was the title of an article at the online Hamburger Abendblatt on 4 January 2013. And that’s hard to miss when you look at the latest global temperature chart in the following link:
“We should not wonder that the first quarter of 2013 will be approx. one tenth of a degree C cooler than the previous months because the push by the last mini El Nino, which ended in fall 2012, is over. After a slight warming of a few hundredths of a degree in the second quarter of 2013, a tenth of a degree of cooling can be expected for the fall of 2013. This of course is only if no huge ENSO event occurs during the 2nd half of 2013.”
Weddy
Cant prove your views with reason so insult
at least i prove my views before I but the boot in
birther nutter conspiwhackys
soooo common among conservonutters
Reality hurts so the poor conservonutters make up their own
Black man the president he cant be American hes black
I have provided evidence that both sides have used the birth issue. Yet you only spoke out against the “conservonutters ” and went on to play the race-card.
Following grief’s pattern of logic this is a strong indication of global cooling.
keep it up right now it makes a change from your normal pointless adhommes on the scientists
0.1 degree under last century’s average
ops a little mistake there righty
you know
untruth lie bullshite
learning from squawky are you lie and make stuff up
check your story and give a little retraction please
No squawky I did not even know that some nutter on the left was trying the same trick
I repeat just for you squawky
birther:lol:
Who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less
get it now
stupid pointless law full stop
not “only stupid and pointless only for one side”squawk
squawk squawk goes the kea
as he blurts out another made up post
squawk squawk goes the kea
as he posts on his favorite conspiwhacky
squawk squawk goes the kea
Its a global hoax by the left to rule the world
………… ops a little mistake there righty
you know
untruth lie bullshite
learning from squawky are you lie and make stuff up
I think it is time the KB community gathered around and helped encourage our friend Griff to get some A&D councilling.
We are here for you Griffy. The world is not ending, but you do have an issue with the weed.
It says the average temperature is likely to be 0.43 C above the long-term average by 2017, as opposed to an earlier forecast suggesting a (CATASTROPHIC ) difference of 0.54C.
However if the “average temperature is likely to rise by 0.43 C by 2017″, it doesn’t specify that is 0.43 above the 1971-2000 average. Tthat would be no change then.
In effect no increase in global temperatures over the 20 year period starting in 1997…
American patriots fought off the British and established the United States republic, underpinned by the Constitution.
Due to the fact that they were patriots, the framers of the Constitution were extremely aware of the danger of a foreigner who might have allegiances to overseas powers assuming the office of President.
They therefore specified that only a child born of two American citizens could qualify to be president. I repeat, the whole idea of the clause was to ensure unfaltering allegiance and loyalty to the US. To minimise as much as possible the chance of anyone with overseas allegiances obtaining the office.
This purpose has been completely defeated by the election of Barack Obama whose stated intention is to downgrade the global power of the US.
Obama’s overseas cultural experiences and his probable birth in Kenya have made it impossible for him to provide the loyalty to the US that the Constitution requires, and this is a fact that has been demonstrated in so many ways, most clearly when he is doing all he can to weaken the US’s armed forces by cutting its budgets and firing its old school generals and replacing them with touchy feely liberals who think like Obama.
So the framer’s fears of a traitor assuming the President’s office have been realised.
However this has only occurred because Obama has fraudulently claimed to meet the Constitution’s citizenship requirements.
Barack Obama is a traitor and he has no legal right to be POTUS.
That is the issue that is being fought, and for so many to claim that the Presidents eligibility is not an important issue is a demonstration of how lamely uninformed re history and law and the American Constitution so many citizens and politicians really are.
And if all of that isn’t enough to make you think, reflect on the fact that Obama is today advocating using the executive order process (in other words not even submitting the law to Congress) to disarm the American public, in direct contravention of the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
Barack Obama should be impeached and tried for treason.
sorry right now
:blush:
mind you
seeing that so what .1 degree under the last thirty year average
not quite of the same magnitude of say
1degree over the record all time
small difference in scale there righty
all time hot since we started taking records
vrs .1 degrees below the average for thirty years from 1970 to 2000
of course you can not see the diference
Your belief in democracy is in this case worthless European socialist shit.
The US is not a democracy per se.
It is a Constitutional Republic.
Learn the difference, and it might help you understand that the Constitution is the law, and nobody, voters or citizens or politicians can betray that Constitution and it cannot be changed unless by the process specified in the Constitution.
You really need to learn to think a bit deeper Kea.
“seeing that so what .1 degree under the last thirty year average”
I’m happy to accept that it is statistically insignificant grief. How ’bout it?
Call it a gentleman’s agreement eh? 0.1 deg C is of no significance when discussing climate change.
Your belief in democracy is in this case worthless European socialist shit.
The US is not a democracy per se.
Ok Red. Can you name a few democracies, for my benefit ?
It looks like you are trying to say this is not “real” democracy, just as defenders of communism say the USSR, Mao’s China, etc were not “real” communists.
I do not accept that cop-out from the commies & I do not accept from you either.
The framers knew about democracy. They’d seen it in action in Europe. They knew how easy it is for tyranny to arise through the perversion of the democratic process.
So they made the US a Constitutional Republic rather than a socialist democracy.
They understood the problems that can arise through the tyranny of the majority so they deliberately did not set up a socialist democracy but a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
And in setting it up they put many checks and balances in there to oppose tyranny.
Now with the Obama government in power, and acting so contrary to that Constitution, especially in attempting by executive order to disarm the citizenry, we see the result of ignoring the framers laws embedded in the Constitution. The US is staring tyranny in the face.
Obama won by a few million votes.
This does not give him the right to dissolve the Constitution.
love you link there axenuckle
you missed the important bit
However the paper concluded that, “in the absence of volcanic eruptions, global temperature is predicted to continue to rise, with each year from 2013 onwards having a 50 % chance of exceeding the current observed record”.
This focus on the warmest year last century is a little skewed after all it was the warmest global temperature for around 150years not the best start point to prove there is no warming dont you think
Not only have we demolished that record this century twice but the record of 1998 is rapidly becoming the norm
Elaycee, measurements & observation are not “climate science”. Empirical data is useless. Thermometers are a ploy by BIG OIL to hide the terrible truth.
I wonder if Reddy dreams of moving to the United States when he is bigger and joining forces with other birtherism-befuddled, rapture-seeking, gun-crazy ‘patriots’?
Kea, Milky is a troll, with a brain so narrow it is only 10 cm wide and held firmly in place in his skull by means of being between two short planks of wood wrapped in rubber bands.
His petulant insults just reinforce the obvious fact that he has no ability to argue because he doesn’t know anything.
You can get away with ignorance and stupidity when you’re a public servant.
In fact its considered a positive and career enhancing attribute.
Don’t you ever ask yourself why the have been winning for so long, and why we today live in a virtual one party state where certain words and (worse) ideas are verboetten?
The only way to defeat the left is never give them a millimetre.
When Reddy matures a bit perhaps he will be allowed to join a suitable branch of the public service and help out his fellow citizens.
Study hard at school Reddy! Listen to your mother! You could yet make a contribution to your country!
Red, I agree with your central point on how the left have undermined our society. I do not agree that queers & dopers are necessarily lefties. We need everyone on our side we can get. It also relates to my belief in personal freedom, tempered with responsibility. Homos are not the natural enemy of the right. That is a leftist construction that does not fit with reality.
Those issues are distractions that merely allow the left to fragment society and therefore fragment opposition. Its all part of the plan, and if you thought more deeply about such things you would see how you are being played like a violin.
You have lost your freedom.
It is gone.
The fight now is to get it back, and concerning yourself with issues like homosexual marriage and pot smoking is just worthless shit.
The left have been successfully employing these diversion strategies for decades and it has bought them unprecedented political power.
Yet still people will not wake up to the fact that if there is one thing that will defeat the left it is a solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations, and it is only since they have destroyed these concepts that the left have assumed so much untrammeled power.
Its like having a tiled floor, and the tiles are taken away piece by piece by piece until you have nowhere to stand except where the left want you to.
We have to drive them back on every front, but put more energy into the larger concepts that solidify us rather than diversions that fracture us. Don’t let the left take any more tiles. Put them back and rebuild the floor we once had and that did not allow the left to control us. Its the only way.
Weddy wants to force the rest of us to be free
With maximum prejudice
Reminds me of some nutter named pol pot in that respect
You can not be more free than the deceased
Careful WineOh, Reddy is trying to divert attention away from the global warming discussion to theories about leftist undermining of the family unit in the West. Something to do with the Frankfurt School, possibly, but the Masons might figure in it as well and maybe even shape-shifting aliens, if we’re really lucky.
solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations
Where do those who are not interested in a solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations fit within your grand plan
do they get Red or a Black triangles ?
Would I get both with oak leaves and five stars?
Many of us will not partake in your grand plan
Is that when you start loading the wagons
GRIEF proclaims that “2012 was a historic year for extreme weather that included drought, wildfires, hurricanes and storms; according to an analysis released today by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. The average temperature for 2012 was 55.3°F, 3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year.
However NOAA has inflated the 2012 record maximum number by adding new stations which didn’t exist during the hot years of the 1930s. That is a completely illegitimate approach, suitable only for government workers.
An apples to apples comparison uses only the same stations. When that is done, 2012 doesn’t even crack the ten hottest years.
Griff- think what you like. I’m not interested in your opinion on anything and I’m not interested in challenging it or changing it.
You’re a completely irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit, a typical product of socialism, and there is nothing anyone can do to change that sad fact, but one thing we should know is not to waste our time trying to.
As Reddy is also an ‘irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit;, does that make his comments ironic, or just ‘a typical product of socialism’?
Kea, Milky is a troll, with a brain so narrow it is only 10 cm wide and held firmly in place in his skull by means of being between two short planks of wood wrapped in rubber bands.
Oh fuck off you petty obsessive troll, you have nothing but completely free of substance childish insults in every comment.
axenuckle
Unlinked graph just do not cut it
It could be from any where
Come on axey Link your source
I love reading nutter blogs
Must have read every one in the last couple of years
Still haven’t seen one anyone with 0.25 of a brain would use for researching actual science
You’re a completely irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit, a typical product of socialism, and there is nothing anyone can do to change that sad fact, but one thing we should know is not to waste our time trying to.
DVM
If Reddy believes President Obama was born in Kenya, he may well believe anything. Hopefully the loving correction that he can receive at Kiwiblog will help him towards rationality.
axeman – a word of advice. If you do choose to keep playing with the THC afflicted, don’t bother linking to anything. In his sad, confused little world anything produced by a scientist become immediately ‘nutball juck denalists pig shit’ the instant it’s published on a site he doesn’t approve of – eg the worlds most viewed climate site. Conversly, the opinions of activists, NGOs and proven liars become worship-worthy science the second they’re published somewhere he does approve of.
The comment had substance, as it pointed out the fact that like yourself, more of Milkie’s contributions were petulant unamusing petty little insults rather than comments that provide any substance to any debate.
Again, like you, he doesn’t know anything so he is at a loss in any discussion ranging outside typical socialist topics.
If narcissism wasn’t your driving emotion, you’d have much better comprehension abilities. See if a shrink can fix that.
KK with no link to anything except a graph it is valueless
I want the website its a new spin on an old argument always amusing when they do that
Refering to WUWT hows the paper going from that amazing scientist A Watt has he represented it with the time of bais added
When he does he will prove that station placement does not change the warming trend all that work only to prove global warming
At a guess axenuckle is linking to a source doing the same thing
Using the unadjusted figures without the time of bais so the data is not a consistent measurement
“Do you think Obama will employ the Order over gun violence? If so, What do you think a good chunk of America’s reaction will be?”
I don’t know.
Talk is cheap, and although there is much of it about concerning succession or a new civil war I’m not convinced.
I think Obama may just be impeached.
That said I think he wants an uprising.
He has stacked the army with generals who think like him, and is prepared to kill 25 million Americans to do as his mentor Ayers suggested should be done to impose socialism/ communism in the US and delete the Constitution and the Republic from the country’s history.
You spineless unprincipled weasel. Your painful drivel stands testament to what vile and deceitful strategies the Libertarians would resort to if they were ever in a position where the only restraint was their own morals. Exactly the kind of lowlife we both know you really are … cowardly shallow deceitful turd burgling scum.
Yes RRM, another of the davaselinemode’s party of cowards and low intellect losers who have no compunction in placing text here that they know was not written by myself, (but implying to those who may not know its source that it was.)
Deceit and cowardice is how you operate RRM, and one only has to wait around for a short time, and as always, you will provide an example of what a hate filled lying and deceitful little yellow bellied dirtbag you really are.
One of the few times I have responded to your worthless crap, and only needed to do so to counter your smear that I had written the above.
It might be time to stop picking on Reddy now. Although it is good sport, I am starting to feel a bit sorry for him. I’ll keep chuckling to my self over him accusing me of being narrow-minded though.
So, given that Singapore is the model society that doesn’t tolerate anti-social behaviour, what would happen if a narcissistic over-inflated bag of wind parked his car on a bridge and held up traffic for miles just to make himself feel important?
Well, you could always try argument, but I guess seeing that requires knowledge and information and intelligence, we won’t be seeing that change take place.
I mean listening to Radio NZ all day is going to leave you about as well informed as your average Russki reading Pravda back in the fifties isn’t it?
what would happen if a narcissistic over-inflated bag of wind parked his car on a bridge and held up traffic for miles just to make himself feel important?
The Singaporean version of the prison holiday camp in Midnight Express, I would imagine. Perhaps Sarah would be the one to visit?
thedavaslelinemode, another slinking coward, uses his National party based relationship with the blog owner to post messages that would get other commenters instant demerits.
And just for comparison, here’s one by some other “Redbaiter”, one who racked up 13,197 posts. Obviously no relation, as setting up multiple user accounts would be deceitful and duplicitous…
Big jump up to the 1997-1998 high temperature last century
We have increased that temperature since
you could say from 1995 the temperature has risen .4 of degrees
or as you try to misrepresent .1 from 1998
The peaks are interesting as aussie found out can cause catastrophic effects
The trend is global warming http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/temp/hansen/graphics/gl_land.gif
The peaks are weather
oh and nutjobs peaks may be weather but they are obviously the result of the warming trend
See above graph RN you may not Get it but most sane people would.
Does the record stand now RN ? no its gone no more record smashed twice
Will a new record happen soon
met service UK says 50% chance any given year in the future will be a global temperature record
Pointing out all time record temperatures for countries and the globe is reminding people that global warming is happening
pointing out cold snaps and cool years is talking about the weather
Sure there’s been warming grief. Just like there was warming in the first half of the 20th century, in fact the slopes are identical – i.e. the same rate of warming.
Where’s the anthropological fingerprint though? The warming has flatlined, emissions haven’t.
So who started all this AGW business and who paid for it:
Mrs Thatcher could not have promoted the global warming issue without the support of her UK political party. And they were willing to give it. Following the General Election of 1979, most of the incoming Cabinet had been members of the government which lost office in 1974. They blamed the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) for their 1974 defeat. They, therefore, desired an excuse for reducing the UK coal industry and, thus, the NUM’s power. Coal-fired power stations emit CO2 but nuclear power stations don’t. Global warming provided an excuse for reducing the UK’s dependence on coal by replacing it with nuclear power. …
So, early in her global warming campaign – and at her personal instigation – the UK’s Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research was established, and the science and engineering research councils were encouraged to place priority in funding climate-related research. This cost nothing because the UK’s total research budget was not increased; indeed, it fell because of cuts elsewhere. But the Hadley Centre sustained its importance and is now the operating agency for the IPCC’s scientific working group (Working Group 1). Most scientists’ work depends on funds fully or partly provided by governments. Also, all scientists compete to obtain their share of this limited resource. Available research funds were shrinking, and global warming had become the ‘scientific’ issue of most interest to governments. Hence, any case for funding support tended to include reference to global warming whenever possible.
“And so she said to the scientists – she went to the Royal Society and she said: “there’s money on the table for you to prove this stuff”. So of course they went away and did that.”
” [Nigel Lawson]
She was very concerned, always – I remember when I was Secretary of State for Energy – to promote nuclear power, long before the issue of climate change came up, because she was concerned about energy security; and she didn’t trust the Middle East, and she didn’t trust the National Union of Mineworkers: so she didn’t trust oil, and she didn’t trust coal. Therefore she felt we really had to push ahead with nuclear power. And then when the climate change/global warming thing came up, she felt: “well this is great: this is another argument – because it doesn’t have any carbon dioxide emissions – this is another argument why you should go for nuclear. And that is what she was really, largely, saying. It’s been misrepresented since then.
That is the reason he purchased the inflatable version, but if you are seriously suggesting that an inflatable Sarah could rescue him then that’s just being silly. Even the fully optioned auto-drain multi-rider model couldn’t pull that off.
cospirowhaky alert Maggie did it
contradiction alert rwnj use Maggie as the originator of the great global warming conspiwhaky
Squawky has previously stated its a commie plot by the vast left wing campaign to inflict agenda 21 on the world
Extreme risk of nutter brain cognitive dissonance explosion
The truth behind this story is much more interesting than is generally realised, not least because it has a fascinating twist. Certainly, Mrs Thatcher was the first world leader to voice alarm over global warming, back in 1988, With her scientific background, she had fallen under the spell of Sir Crispin Tickell, then our man at the UN. In the 1970s, he had written a book warning that the world was cooling, but he had since become an ardent convert to the belief that it was warming,
But she embraced truth:
In other words, long before it became fashionable, Lady Thatcher was converted to the view of those who, on both scientific and political grounds, are profoundly sceptical of the climate change ideology. Alas, what she set in train earlier continues to exercise its baleful influence to this day. But the fact that she became one of the first and most prominent of “climate sceptics” has been almost entirely buried from view.
Completely impractical given its susceptibility to puncturing as evidenced by the mood swings from just unpleasant and nasty to pathologically embittered bigotted and rascist redneck.
Griff, just slow down a bit and look at what I and others have presented to you.
You seem intelligent enough to understand. You are fixated on the “science” but discount the other (human) factors influencing that science. It is like you have Autisim or something.
I respect the scientific method greatly. But there are many examples of scientists getting caught up in the moment and being very wrong in their conclusions. I know that you know that, so wake up and have a fresh look.
News: Gun makers prepare to counter gun bans with refusal to do business with the military, law enforcement or any government entity. If their civilian products are banned then no sales to the government either.
News: Gun makers prepare to counter gun bans with refusal to do business with the military, law enforcement or any government entity. If their civilian products are banned then no sales to the government either.
Ha ha ha……
What the authority worshiping anti gun crowd do not understand is that private citizens developed most of the military arms. The government does not own them. We allow the government to use our inventions.
Look At what? your conspiowhacky Unsupported conspiracy thinking may be normal to you to me that says nutter in flashing capitals.
Scientist caught up in the moment :lol; over the last forty years of research and data collection by ten of thousands all sucked in by a lie odds are way to high to get any conspiwqhacky or false scientific premise past the reality filter
The science says global warming 13926 papers to 24
The physical world around us says global warming
Nutter blogs funded by the carbon industry blatantly attempting to distort the scientific reality around climate change
Very often the same people involved in the tobacco industry’s attempt to do the same over the danger of cigarette smoke
all easily verified and documented
As I have read most of them I am more aware of there arguments than you are. Most are the same old recycled blatant crap that’s been echoing around for years. By the way you dont need desmog blog or similar to find this out a smart person would work it out for themselves
Nutters stick their heads in the sand and go nah nah nah its not happening
or squawk squawk as the case may be
kea – Lost cause. You can’t debate with someone who can’t debate, moreso when the CAGW industry lies just spew out in an incoherent THC-inspired jumble comment after comment. His inability to acknowledge there’s enough controversy to warrant a look a basic human motivations, eg confirmation bias, simply leaves no room for reeasonable discourse.
You are too much of a coward to answer that and I have asked you many times. I suspect you know your lying.
Their is no such thing as the “carbon industry”. Coal miners and oil drillers make money from coal and oil. There is no money in denial of AGW.
The AGW crowds ONLY source of income is fear of climate change. They have nothing else. A few years ago no one would have even heard of “climate scientists” but now they siphon billions from the workers of the world through taxes.
Nutter blogs funded by the carbon industry blatantly attempting to distort the scientific reality around climate change
Very often the same people involved in the tobacco industry’s attempt to do the same over the danger of cigarette smoke
So the (imaginary) carbon industry is conspiring with tobacco growers to destroy the earth
This shows how drugs really can help creativity. Though it clearly comes at a price.
what do you think science is KK
If multiple strands of research reach the same conclusion scientist are inclined to trust this conclusion is sound
13926 papers to 24 you are quite welcome to dispute any paper you disagree with
The very few attempts to disprove global warming do not stand up to peer review you can look at comment etc for most papers online if you are interested . One of my prior links had good commentary on the few published anti AGW papers.
squawk squawk pulls fact from:wwwfactspulledoutofmyarsefornutterscom. billions and billions of conspiwhacky dollars
What did RN post the other day $330.000 for two years work for two or three people About the same as any similar research say into the link between conspiracy thinking and mental disorder.
Of course some idiots dont want us to research climate change its a little too scary for their poor brains to cope with.
Hay Griff you cowardly little prick……… still waiting for answers.
Oh and do not forget the details of the “climate experiment” you told us about yesterday. I will expect all the usual links to scientific papers that you provide when lying about AGW.
I used to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you were wrong, but sincere. Now I see you are both wrong and insincere. You are motivated by the same thing as the left, hatred of your fellow man due to your personal self esteem issues.
Problem: to much carbon as co2 added to atmosphere causing temperature to rise
Answer: reduce carbon added to atmosphere Stop burning fossil fuels (coal gas oil for squawk)that add the co2
conflict: How do we support our standard of living ..cost of change from carbon oil gas goal economy to sustainable or nuclear
conflict: how do oil gas and goal companies continue to make money if we stop using their product (money kea co2 is a by product of how they make their money)
conflict : how does the developing world develop if they are denied the boost we received from burning hydrocarbons and making co2
Answer nukes ? maybe that’s Obama next move after killing all the political dissenters He will nuke the red states to glass.
I wounder if reds all right hes has to be inline for assignation hes so important in the conservative movement is this country.
Griff, now we are getting somewhere. The architect of AGW had a problem with the dam commie coal miners back in the old country. She decided to sell Nuclear Energy to the hippie generation and pulled it off. Clever bitch.
Yep fossil fuels add co2, but the contribution is tiny. Rotting vegetable matter contributes more, as do many other natural emitters. (Actually “carbon” in that context means organic and fossil fuels are just organic matter.)
Keep up the science study and cut back on the hooch, you will get there.
“What did RN post the other day $330.000 for two years work for two or three people”
RN posted no such thing. RN pointed out that the totally inept Gergis received another grant of more than $300k even after completely fucking up the last paper she worked on – which was totally ripped apart by skeptics resulting in the journal rejecting the paper outright.
And the hypocrite grief thought Anthony Watts getting funding of $88k, mostly to pay a developer, is evidence that skeptics are funded by big oil!
Now grief, all the ‘peer-reviewed’ papers in the world don’t change the fact that the warming has stopped do they? Although a lot of them go through great feats of contortion to try and explain why, while still trying to claim CO2 is the overwhelming forcing in climate change.
But when the rate of warming approaches zero, completely falsifying models projecting accelerated warming, your suspension of disbelief is truly something awe inspiring. Or you’re just a moronic sheep.
Some people have readable signatures. Some people have unreadable signatures. Then there’s Jack Lew, possibly in the running for US treasury secretary. His signature just consists of loops. There don’t appear to be letters at all in it!
I have a question.
This Carbon that is being released by burning fossil fuels; where did the Carbon come from?
Was it already in the atmosphere and got absorbed, and now we get Oil that we use as fuel that goes into the atmosphere where it came from?
I think someone needs to explain the porkies being told
Loved the cognitive dissonance rush you had at 6:50 squawky
you know that having conflicting reality with the world around you causes hair to grow on your palms
Read this is helps with the old cog dis and doesn’t cost like a shrink
http://www.philosophersbeard.org/2010/08/conspiracy-thinking-part-ii.html
Diagnosing and Refuting Conspiracy Thinking
The difficulty of conspiracy thinking is its pathological character; the problem of conspiracy thinking is the enormous danger of false positives. One way to identify and challenge conspiracy thinking is to evaluate its internal coherence: ‘Do these claims even make sense in their own terms?’
I previously discussed the importance of an authoritative common sense about the way-the-world-works in protecting societies from conspiracy thinking. One might call this the ‘external coherence’ test: are such theories consistent with what you know of how the world works? Think of Barney Frank’s response to the loonies: ‘On what planet do you spend most of your time?’.
Now noone had better tell reddy about this. NZ no 1 in the freedom stakes, Singapore 39.
surely not. Can’t be Reddy syays its a much better place.
The index is a chapter in Towards a Worldwide Index of Human Freedom (.pdf) (published by Fraser and Liberales) which has the following table. It shows the rankings, the numbers are the ratings for personal freedom, economic freedom and the freedom index:
1 New Zealand 9.2 8.22 8.73
2 Netherlands 9.5 7.45 8.47
3 Hong Kong 7.8 9.02 8.39
4 Australia 8.8 7.83 8.33
5 Canada 8.7 7.92 8.33
6 Ireland 9.0 7.68 8.33
7 United States of America 8.7 7.93 8.30
8 Denmark 8.9 7.71 8.30
9 Japan 9.2 7.38 8.28
10 Estonia 8.9 7.65 8.28
11 Switzerland 8.6 7.96 8.26
12 Norway 9.2 7.34 8.26
13 Finland 8.8 7.54 8.16
14 Austria 8.7 7.59 8.13
15 Luxembourg 8.7 7.53 8.12
16 Chile 8.2 7.99 8.12
17 Iceland 9.0 7.16 8.10
18 United Kingdom 8.4 7.78 8.08
19 Slovakia 8.6 7.57 8.07
20 Costa Rica 8.8 7.35 8.05
21 El Salvador 8.5 7.58 8.04
22 Uruguay 9.4 6.67 8.03
23 Spain 8.8 7.19 8.00
24 Albania 8.6 7.38 7.98
25 Portugal 8.9 7.08 7.97
26 Bahamas 8.8 7.08 7.94
27 Malta 8.8 7.06 7.94
28 Panama 8.5 7.32 7.92
29 Sweden 8.6 7.26 7.91
30 Mauritius 8.1 7.61 7.88
31 Hungary 8.4 7.39 7.87
32 Belgium 8.5 7.14 7.83
33 France 8.4 7.20 7.78
34 Czech Republic 8.7 6.88 7.78
35 Germany 8.0 7.47 7.75
36 Guatemala 8.3 7.15 7.73
37 Poland 8.6 6.88 7.73
38 Peru 8.0 7.36 7.68
39 Singapore 6.6 8.75 7.67
40 Italy 8.5 6.75 7.62
41 Lithuania 8.2 7.03 7.61
42 Bulgaria 8.0 7.18 7.60
Steve. Good question. It is also another question Griff refuses to answer, but he will hurl abuse at you for asking.
All the co2 in fossil fuels came from the atmosphere. This is because fossil fuels are organic matter.( Same as GE free Organic mung bean sprouts.) Plants absorb co2 and must do so in order to live.
All known life is carbon based. When any form of live breaks down, it releases the carbon back to where it came from, the atmosphere.
Most co2 goes back into the atmosphere through decomposition, not fossil fuel. That picture shows all terrestrial co2 turns to fossils and only re-enters the cycle when processed by man. That is a blatant lie.
A priest was vested in his surplice and cassock ready to
proceed at the beginning of a procession. His surplice
was very ornate, and he was swinging the incense pot,
which had smoke coming from it.
Lance, the flaming fruit from down the road,
touched him on the shoulder and said, “Darling, I love
your dress, but your purse is on fire!”
Steve
All at once we are putting carbon that has been buried over tens of millions of years back into the atmosphere
To much co2 makes the atmosphere warm up
Squawks version of reality ignors that we are adding lots of co2 to the atmosphere that is not part of the normal carbon cycle
When the earths atmosphere had lots more carbon it was a lot warmer. If we keep adding this buried carbon it will be again.
Just in case you are tempted to get above your station in life, The Man recommends that you repeat the following mantra for thirty seconds slowly and with emphasis every fifteen minutes during work hours. *I am human traffic*.
Its to do with being a gentleman, wherein you never take an advantage that you may have and use it against anyone.
When you do that, for example when you call people “turd burglars”, and do that only because you know that you have the advantage of the blog owner’s patronage and therefore will not be demerited, it is the action of a coward.
Following last week’s announcement that suicide in Singapore will be regulated, the government has decided to make suicide a capital offence.
“Suicide is a deadly serious matter of life or death,” said Minister for Suicide Mr. Yeow Teow Loh. “We cannot let citizens decide important things by their own hands and affect our manpower projections.”
The MOS has written a white paper, and will be tabling it for debate in the next parliamentary session.
The Suicide and Miscellaneous Manpower Offences Bill calls for those attempting suicide to face a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
However, repeat offenders will face the death penalty.
“We believe that the strongest possible sentence will deter offenders,” said Mr. Yeow.
The move has been welcomed by EuthanAsians, an Asian right to death pressure and support group.
“We back the new death policy,” said Dr. Mao Mah Tee, president of EuthanAsians. “And we will do whatever it takes to get the bill passed. Die-die must become legislation.”
Minister Yeow continued, “The Bill is not yet complete. We may not have jurisdiction over successful suicides. As they have gone beyond, we don’t know if we can catch them. But we are confident. After all, God is on our side.”
Viking2 you shouldn’t take all the bullshit that people come up with on here as gospel, all that does is prove you to be a gullible fool. Anyone can write anything on the internet and true or false it will often find a life of its own. You should know that by now if you have a functioning brain.
I’m enjoying a slow period at work at the moment but Sunday I’m back into my usual schedule of 18 hour days and global travel (one of the reasons I cannot blog as frequently as I wish, its just too time consuming) and I’m not at all the person you seem to believe I am or that you appear to be yourself.
However, just go on believing what you want. In the end, its not that important who I am or what I do, its what I say that is the issue.
The usual queer pathetic Progressive weasel arsehole fruit homo bottom politically confused narcissistic clowns hapless waffling of a feeble minded Progressive child molesters hypocrisy get you this enraged you seriously need some kind of treatment a liar a charlatan and a coward pathetic cowardly little blog.
No squawky I believe that you brain has become fossilized by conspiwhacky paranoid delusion
That is similar but not quite the answer you are looking for
Our cryptoanalysts have finally managed to break the “Baitercode” which has had everyone stonewalled for years. I can confirm that Reddy’s statement….”I’m enjoying a slow period at work at the moment but Sunday I’m back into my usual schedule of 18 hour days and global travel “…..actually means that he is heading off on a deep ops mission.
The enemies of conservatism should be afraid….very afraid!
“not all living things become a fossil”
That is imposable to prove have you read a study on all living things in the universe encompassing the entire time frame of reality no so again we have a squawk
Dont look at me cha dropped that one not me
Are you an aspie? you seem to have a very hard time following normal human discourse in a liner way and you take things way to literal with an ASD like inability to cope with analogy
See the shrink do the test and get the meds kea it will help with the cog dis and paranoia as well
AUSTRALIA’S supply of vacant jobs is dwindling, making it harder to find work than it has been in years. New results from the only comprehensive national survey of vacancies show they have slid 8 per cent in the past year, undoing most of the gains since the global financial crisis.
Australia had only 166,000 vacant jobs in November, down from 193,000 two years earlier. More than 600,000 Australians were looking for work.
ESA said its Herschel deep-space telescope had scanned a space rock called 99942 Apophis last weekend as it headed towards its closest flyby with our planet in years on Thursday.
their boost from mining can only insulate them so long
If those that postulate china’s economy is in a overheated bubble are right.
Its only time and mining takes a hit.
Aussie then rushes to fall as far as everyone else.
As you get older you realize boom’s always bust sooner or later.
Quite an interesting article on the reactions of Barack Obama’s suckholing commie press aparachiks to the Drudge headline picturing Obama with Stalin and Hitler-
you shouldn’t take all the bullshit that people come up with on here as gospel, all that does is prove you to be a gullible fool. Anyone can write anything on the internet and true or false it will often find a life of its own.
Quite an interesting article on the reactions of Barack Obama’s suckholing commie press aparachiks
It’s been a big couple of days for furious climate rows. If you’re in the BIG-OIL-FUNDED KOCH BROTHERS DENIER camp, you’ll have been waving around a copy of a Met Office report and crowing. If you’re in the GREENY ALARMIST TRUE-BELIEVER WATERMELON camp, then you’ll have been pointing with sad eyes and an I-hate-to-say-I-told-you-so face at the bush fires and record heatwaves in Australia, where the local Bureau of Meteorology has had to add two extra colours onto their weather maps, to represent previously unheard-of temperatures – 54C in some parts of the country.
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Anyone saying that we have to sacrifice the global economy to save the climate is asking the impossible. Anyone saying that anthropogenic climate change isn’t a genuine threat to human wellbeing is blind. The only sensible debate is the one that takes those facts into consideration. That was true before Australia boiled and before the Met Office ran its latest model, and it’s true now.
I see the bainites have got around to bestiality
Who fucked a goat seems to be the pivotal piece of evidence at present
Quite funny when the gay marriage one hits the same theme of discussion. Whos going to marry a goat?
Is there some link between the church god and goats or is that the other god bunch?
What is the hottest time of the day grief? Is it 1pm (daylight savings time) when the sun is at it’s zenith and it’s rays have to travel through the least amount of atmosphere? No, it’s between 3 and 4.30 depending on factors like cloud and wind.
It’s similar with summer. Although our longest day, with the most sunlight, is around Dec 22, the hottest time of the summer happens after that.
Think about that, perhaps wait until you’re straight.
Right now
Read the above link you will like it More a measured line between the two camps than totally polarized
warmest time of day is around 1500 standard time
longest day 22 December shortest 22june
warmest period around late Feb early March coldest July August
Inertia -Takes time to warm up as summer progresses
Same thing with forcing like sun activity or el nino time gap between the phenomenon and the resulting warmth in the yearly record
Probably one of the reasons met changed the forecast. Many pundits where guessing at a el nino this coming year we are over due for one with the solar activity rising the two together would have “smashed” the global temperature record by .2 +
Common knowledge that does not need modals to project.
As it is you can see the effect of the solar maximum in this cycle projected into met estimate
The solar output has been dropping since around 1970 that is to long a period between cause and effect.were did the heat hide
The solo cycle I referred to is the sunspot cycle of around 11 years The delay from memory is around 7 months
interestingly the last cycle was longer than the norm
If the sun spot cycle did stop and we entered into a solar minimum the effect is minimal around +-0.1 degrees
I read the paper last week bob C and defrizy and some one else placing the elnino as the cause of the present warming. The third guy done a projection modal run if you like using his theory. Massive fail he predicted a 0.4 degree drop over the last 3 years well wide of the mark. so that’s not a go ether
The once great NZ Herald.
Now a product of our failing socialist education systm Or perhaps the Aussie one. Who know what dumb turkey write the English prose for the.
Yes right now note the lack of rise since 1950
The temperature has trended up since 1970 quite considerably
Superimpose the temperature record over your graph and you will see a fall of in congruence since around 1970
To much lag half a century unless someone can find a mechanism for such a long delay between cause and effect
hence the suns activity and temperature on earth do have a effect but are not capable for being responsible for warming since 1970
The only input that does account for the warming since 1970 is co2
Now we’re getting to the heart of the matter griff. If I put a pot on the stove to boil, do I have to keep increasing the temperature under the pot to maintain heating? No. The element heats up, and then maintains a constant heat until the water boils.
This is where the ‘consensus’ position becomes counter-intuitive.
Without a doubt, Kiwis are the most stupid people I have every met, and ignorant of world events. If you want to see why, check out the front page news on Stuff. A dancing toddler ! What sort of moron does that appeal to, I shudder to think.
What a nation of dreary mindless socialists. I am well past caring what happens to us here in NZ. Let the “Asian Invasion” begin.
As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme
your continued use of a peak with a known reason as proof of no global warming is disingenuous
It may work for the readers of some rubbish articles and allow nutters to spin. You are trying to do the same with someone informed not a nutter. http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm
Watch the vid
That’s why the significance of the little warming .1 since 1998 is so important it happened without the el nino or sunspot activitys contributions to global temperature leaving only the co2 induced warming as the cause . With or without these two natural inputs the temperature trend is still rising.
“As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme” – well that argument puts alarmists in a tight spot griff. If we accept that 1997-1998 peak was largely due to natural variation, then that discredits the weighting given to CO2 forcing to cause that steep slope that has been the blade of the hockey stick. Which way do you want to have it? CO2 forcing or natural variation.
“use of a peak with a known reason as proof of no global warming” – wake up, nobody is denying there has been warming, it’s the causes we’re disputing.
“the significance of the little warming .1 since 1998 is so important” – yet it doesn’t agree with model projections or the contention that there will be more than 2 deg C warming per century.
However, since you like SS so much, I would like to refer you to this article, which delightfully points out that forcing from CO2 is of +0.63 W/m² and is congruent with scenario D – which leads to a century trend of around 1.5 deg C. http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1332
As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme” – well that argument puts alarmists in a tight spot griff. If we accept that 1997-1998 peak was largely due to natural variation, then that discredits the weighting given to CO2 forcing to cause that steep slope that has been the blade of the hockey stick. Which way do you want to have it? CO2 forcing or natural variation.
Stupid RN the climate is warmer now without the natural warming effect of el nino or sunspot activity hence the natural effect is not stronger than the co2 forcing
If you can not see your logic flaw there is no further point in debating back to default.
Nutter
The IPCC Fourth Assessment Report summarized climate sensitivity as “likely to be in the range 2 to 4.5°C with a best estimate of about 3°C, and is very unlikely to be less than 1.5°C. Values substantially higher than 4.5°C cannot be excluded, but agreement of models with observations is not as good for those values.”
Individual studies have put climate sensitivity from a doubling of CO2 at anywhere between 0.5°C and 10°C; however, as a consequence of increasingly better data, it appears that the extreme higher and lower values are very unlikely. In fact, as climate science has developed and advanced over time , estimates have converged around 3°C. A summary of recent climate sensitivity studies can be found here.
A study led by Stefan Rahmstorf concluded “many vastly improved models have been developed by a number of climate research centers around the world. Current state-of-the-art climate models span a range of 2.6–4.1°C, most clustering around 3°C” (Rahmstorf 2008). Several studies have put the lower bound of climate sensitivity at about 1.5°C,on the other hand, several others have found that a sensitivity higher than 4.5°C can’t be ruled out.
There’s some suspension of disbelief if you think even 2.6 is realistic based on empirical data and given the weighting appled to GHG forcings by the consensus climate scientists
1) The increase in radiative forcing from GHG equivalents between 1990 and 2010 is 0.627 w/m^2
Data from the last table at http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/
2) SS argues that this amount of forcing makes scenario D the appropriate projection from the FAR
Table 2: FAR Figure A.6 radiative forcing projections from 1990 to 2010
Scenario Change in forcing, 1990-2010
BaU +1.23 W/m²
B +0.78 W/m²
C +0.70 W/m²
D +0.63 W/m²
Actual +0.63 W/m²
(sorry I don’t think the table formatting is going to come across)
3) The scenario D projection according to the ‘Best estimate, graph B’ leads to a realised temperature rise of 1.9 deg C from 1875
squawk
because the fusion powered sun goes to beddybys?
have you considered that your brain farts are the cause of the warming
you have enough to melt your undies
I have yet to see a solid one with actual content
have you considered that scientists may actually know more about actual science than nutters in the right wing nut job category
Have you considered if right nows source of argument is correct there will be papers published proving the position
When that happens we can all forget about global warming
until then you ether follow science or follow known bullshit artists
Some choice for a intelligent unbiased person …..eh …….
Losing track of time, discovering gaps in sentences where you have misplaced words, time and space appear to be on a wobble, and the day simply disappears.
According to one researcher these symptoms and a number of others, including feeling agitated and uneasy, are caused by solar flares.
In recent years, scientists are finding the Earth’s magnetic fields are far more significant than they previously thought. They now know that the human brain contains “millions of tiny magnetic particles.”
Usual stuff from Griff. The debate moves beyond his Google skills, so he ignores questions and does a 2:06, before droppping any pretence of participation and launches a bunch of poorly exectuted ad hominem’s.
His eco-religious and guilt driven confirmation bias makes it impossible to entertain any thoughts outside the doomsday script. He is one of a diminishing number of foot soldiers, as the evidence that contradicts the CAGW theory mounts. As noted recently, once the ‘research’ grants start to dry up the scientists who are currently victims of income/lifestyle confirmation bias will move on, accelarting the end of the worlds biggest scam.
Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax
If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “Immunization Schedules,” which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government documents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease.
Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system’s elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study’s findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.
hinamanu
We are being sympathetic to the KB community by keeping the agw debate on an obsolete page
Yes there is conspiwhacky thinking here
no we dont want to play alt med nutter anti science as well
“Unfortunately for you the physical world is making it imposable for your continued attempts to place political expedience above scientific reality”
Heh. The reality is that the un-adjusted temperature has flat-lined, and the only way to can claim it is warming is by blaming it on natural variation.
squawk
because the fusion powered sun goes to beddybys?
have you considered that your brain farts are the cause of the warming
you have enough to melt your undies
I have yet to see a solid one with actual content
have you considered that scientists may actually know more about actual science than nutters in the right wing nut job category
Have you considered if right nows source of argument is correct there will be papers published proving the position
When that happens we can all forget about global warming
until then you ether follow science or follow known bullshit artists
Some choice for a intelligent unbiased person …..eh …….
Gosh Griff ! I was just asking, no need to get all snippy with me.
You put forward a very erudite, convincing and well written response. After reading that, I am sure many sceptics will now believe the world is ending because of farting cows on NZ dairy farms.
Well dome RN you have the concept now. The only way you can claim its not still rising is to ignore the natural variation.
cycle is such a hard concept for nutters to grasp UP AND DOWN around a norm with a warming trend busyrising underneath
one a random SOI one a eleven years sunspot CYCLES
sunspot going up warming soi in el nino warming
last five years no el nino no sunspots still record warmth
coming years with sunspots and or elnino
significant new record that makes denial even harder to support
chance 50% that any given year in the future will be a new record\Uk met service
Meanwhile record climate extremes grow even more convincing and denial even less supportable http://www.meatpoultry.com/News/News%20Home/Business/2013/1/Weather%20extremes%20in%202012%20to%20impact%20food%20prices.aspx?cck=1
The NOAA also compiles what it calls the US Climate Extremes index, and 2012 was the second most extreme year on record for the nation. The index, which evaluates extremes in temperature and precipitation, as well as landfalling tropical cyclones, was nearly twice the average value and second only to 1998. To date, 2012 has seen 11 disasters that have reached the $1 billion threshold in losses http://www.onmilwaukee.com/market/articles/jagler010913.html
“As the Washington Insurance Commissioner, I am concerned because increasing weather-related losses pose threats to the industry’s financial stability, which could ultimately lead to a crisis of affordability and availability of essential insurance for consumers and businesses, as well as solvency problems for insurers themselves. Potentially larger extreme weather losses in the future, driven by climate change, make these scenarios especially worrisome,” Kreidler wrote in September, not knowing at the time that Sandy was right around the corner.
It seems you’re saying that even the current climate is catastrophic griff? Climate changes FFS.
We can’t sustain the whole 2 degree C thing after all?
From the SS article we see the increase in radiative forcing from GHG’s has been .63 w/m^2 between 1990 and 2010, but that level of increase isn’t enough to take us above 2 deg C in a hundred years!
January 10th, 2013 at 8:02 am
morning
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:03 am
An Otago politics student Stephanie Lowe has set up an awareness website on Human Trafficking in NZ.
This also covers the trafficking problem worldwide (which is huge). Please at least visit the site and respond to the poll (in the right sidebar on the Home page).
The Problem - on a global scale
1. There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history – with some estimates of the number being as high as twenty-seven-million.
2. Sex trafficking is one of the three largest industries, coming after the arms and drugs industries. It is estimated to be worth around $32 billion.
(more)
The Problem - in NZ
1. There is very little information about the problem of human trafficking in New Zealand
2. New Zealand Government fully complies with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking – and is in tier 1 of the US Department of State’s Trafficking in Perons Report
3. The Prostitution Law Review Committee estimated that approximately 200 young persons under the age of 18 were working as prostitutes in 2004
4. New Zealand is a source country for underage girls who are forced in to internal trafficking
5. New Zealand is a destination country for foreign women and men subjected to forced labour
6. The men are usually from countries such as Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Indonesia – and are usually forced to engagd in activities aboard fishing vessels with NZ waters
7. Women who are trafficked to New Zealand usually come from China and countries within South East Asia – they tend to be recruited by people in their home counrties as ‘labour agents’ for the purpose of prostitution
8. Victims trafficked from overseas usually arrive in New Zealand to have their passports confiscated, experience physical and mental abuse, and are forced to work extremely long hours with very little or no pay
9. There is a small percentage of girls and boys of Maori or Pacific Islander descent who are trafficked internally and forced to participate in street prostitution
10. Some Asian or Pacific Islander individuals migrate to New Zealand to work within the agricultural industry. However in some cases once they arrive here they find they have to work in far worse conditions than promised or for far less pay.
For more information about human trafficking in New Zealand you can visit:
http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/research/people-trafficking/action-items.asp
http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/research/people-trafficking/people-trafficking.pdf
http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/new_zealand
http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/speechpapers/NZ%20trafficking%20Paper%20-%20final%20-%203%20Feb.pdf
Human Trafficking in NZ website: http://www.humantraffickingnz.com/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:05 am
Kinda windy in Wellywo…. .. .. . . . .od this morning.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Beautiful religious melody for Christians readers on this blog.
Wonderful words of life (by Gaithers)
See the old man with a grey shirt sitting at the front (at about 8 second into the song), he sings nice bass voice. Well, I was singing that very same bass voice on the same song at a BBQ at my sister’s house plus my other family members in Botany. Her teenage daughter played the Piano and we all sang along. The second verse I flipped and sang in the tenor voice (ie, same voice as the standing man in the group of 3 with 2 other women) while my older brother covered the bass voice. The last verse, I played my euphonium, and my teenage nephew sang in the tenor voice, by older brother still in he bass voice, and 2 of my sister’s neighbours came out to listen to us singing. It was beautiful.
Over the years I haven’t been invited to my family gatherings be it BBQs , dinners, birthday party, etc, simply because I debate with them on the scientific basis for the existence of God because they’re all Christians (Tongan Methodist). I always out debated them and that’s why they sort of distance themselves from me as an outcast because my belief. Its only recent in the last few months that we all realized that we”re blood, it means that our personal beliefs had to be put aside because family get together is important. Since I’ve been welcomed back to my family, I’ve never brought up any religious bashing topic with them since in any family get together.
The moral of my story here is that one can still get along with his/her religious family members even they all have different beliefs.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Otago politics student Stephanie Lowe has set up an awareness website on Human Trafficking in NZ.
This also covers the trafficking problem worldwide (which is huge). Please at least visit the site and respond to the poll (in the right sidebar on the Home page) – http://www.humantraffickingnz.com/
“There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history”
Vote:“Sex trafficking is one of the three largest industries, coming after the arms and drugs industries.”
January 10th, 2013 at 8:21 am
It’s really nice and overcast in Auckland.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:38 am
All this negative publicity about Novopay; who’d have ever suspected that there were actually payroll problems back when Chris Carter was Education Minister, and before he signed the first contract with the Novopay providers?
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/the-more-things-change.html
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:42 am
What does – CAGW – stand for?
I get the AGW part, is the C for carbon/CO2 ?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Citizens Against Government Waste
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:46 am
But I guess you’re looking for Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming.
the sky is warming
Vote:the sky is falling
January 10th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Pete George, but I see it used in relation to climate change ?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Ahhhhhhh Thanks
It used be called “The Revelation” where God would smote man for his evil. It seems some folk got tired of waiting and came up with another yarn, to scare us into obedience.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:54 am
@ kea it’s used because many people on the side of the argument that express doubts about the impending doom (“denialists” to link them with Holocaust denial) actually do accept that (depending on start date and period measured) the climate is warming and that man’s actions probably do have some (unknown at this time) effect, they just dont accept that there is a catastrophe coming as a result. So it’s actually “our” term not “their” term.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Is there more of a level of distrust in democracy in Nz than there was in 2011? If so then what would be the underlying reasons?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:55 am
“1. There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history – with some estimates of the number being as high as twenty-seven-million.”
Here you go Pete, I’ll estimate it at 4 trillion. Now you can use that number.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:08 am
Re slaves- Yes there are more than at any time in history because they are called taxpayers and forced to work for more than half the year and therefore more than half their productive life to keep a group of elitists in the style they are accustomed to.
Slave owners abound on this blog actually with Milky being the most prominent example currently.
People who are part of the unproductive government sector but who force the rest of us to work so they can live a life far above what would be their normal status.
People who produce nothing themselves but take by legislation from those who do produce.
Slaves and slave owners- thats what we have, but the elitists fool you by calling it something else.
Socialism.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:09 am
I blame the “slave” problem on the busy-body Europeans & British, who (recently) came up with the notion slavery was wrong. Until that time, there was no slave problem.
Interestingly, the notion slavery was wrong, was not promoted due to concerns over human rights, but for economic reasons.
As Pete George has pointed out (“There are currently more slaves than at any other time in history”) this idea slavery is wrong has not caught on. Africans were selling each other into slavery well before the Europeans arrived and continue to do so.
Objections to slavery appear to be a (historically recent) idea advanced by European people in priviledged societies. In the less priviledged European societies, they often sell girls into the sex industry, once they have them hooked on drugs.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:15 am
There is very little information about the problem of human trafficking in New Zealand
Perhaps because the “problem” has been made up by a schoolgirl studying in Dunedin?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:15 am
This is a better version.
Wonderful words of life (High School student’s Orchestra)
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:16 am
You dont have to look to Africa, the Greeks and Romans had very well establish slave systems.
My problem with Pete’s list is he is using a very elastic definition of slavery – under 18 year olds becoming prostitutes, employees not getting expected terms and conditions – really, that’s slavery?
A lot of the child labour stuff is simply what our (European) societies looked like a little over 100 years ago. This too will pass by ensuring such countries develop as free market democracies rather than breast beating and wailing about “the children”.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:19 am
NZ Slammed in US ‘slavery report’
Read more: http://www.humantraffickingnz.com/news/nz-slammed-in-us-slavery-report/
Create your own website for free: http://www.webnode.com
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:27 am
A third year politics student is not “a student”, that’s a snarky diss.
She links to a number of New Zealand sources (Depasrtment of Labour, Courts).
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:33 am
A third year politics student is hardly a source of wisdom and knowledge either.
Such a thing can only exist because the rest of us have real jobs and pay for it.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:34 am
ooooh, now that’s high praise.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Modern “slavery” wil never get the attention that good ole time European slavery ,you know Gone with the wind,Roots,Amistad type anti American/anti white sentimental crap got, for the simple reason that the current practioners of “slavery” are mainly non white and non Christian…….so the guilt ridden anti west cafe attending latte slurpers and media mongols will simply not play.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/empire_seapower/white_slaves_01.shtml
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Ben Shapiro was on with Sean Hannity last night to discuss his new book “Bullies: How the Left’s Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences America” and to list the top five progressive bullies in America today. As a final question, Hannity asked Ben how do conservatives counter the progressive bullies today. Ben answered,
“We can’t be civil with them. We can’t. We’ve reached the end of bipartisanship. We’ve reached the end of civility. It’s like the Geneva Conventions. These people are out of uniform. Once they exit the realm of civility they are now fair game. And it’s enough playing fair with them. It’s enough having the moral high ground. If we have the moral high ground it means that we lose. We need to start fighting back and fighting back hard.”
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Actually they always were. The Africans had a vibrant slave trade with the Muslims to the North, as well as trading among themselves. The Europeans represented a new market, but it was a flash in the pan.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:16 am
krazykiwi (8,552) Says:
January 10th, 2013 at 8:36 am
griff- you are a poster boy for the alarmist movement: Not terribly smart, fearful and willing to believe the establishment’s line no matter what.
You’ll find yourself increasingly without support, despite your improving Google skills. I note that kiwiblog’s most vociferous supporters of CAGW have quietly stepped back from this debate. That’s probably wise as the growing set empirical evidence does not support runaway AGW, and the evidence of scientific fraud both in construction of the theory, and in the assembly of data inputs starts to mount.
If believing the CAGW lie helps you get through your day then fair enough. But do keep posting. You’re doing more to dissuade the fence-sitters than rational debate, which you seem impervious to, will ever do.
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Haha, yep that’s our resident stoner alarmist nutjob fronting the diminishing CAGW cult.
As you should have realised gwiff, more and more of the world, like the Germans, are seeing through your global warming scam
Leading German Daily Announces: “Global Warming Has Stopped”, Questions IPCC Models
By P Gosselin on 8. January 2013
It took them 15 years to notice it: CO2 is not driving the climate.
German online daily Hamburger Abendblatt here has a story titled: Global Warming Takes A Break, citing the leaked copy of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, which is due to be released in September, 2013. The Hamburger Abendblatt writes:
“The preliminary text is very clear that the global temperature increase does not follow the continuous rise of CO2 emissions. That’s water on the water-wheel of climate skeptics, who argue that it is more the impacts of the sun that warm the Earth, and greenhouse gases, mainly CO2, less so.”
The Hamburger Abendblatt asks:
“Just how reliable are computer simulations that, although they correctly predicted the CO2 increase of the last 15 years, were completely off with the temperature development?”
Global temperatures have stagnated since the new millennium began. To answer that question, the German daily asks (alarmist) professor Jochem Marotzke, Director of the Max Planck Institute für Meteorology in Hamburg. He told the Abendblatt: “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.”
Maybe plateaus do show up in the models here and there. But none of the models showed a plateau for the last 15 years.
Marotzke then insists that the record low Arctic sea ice extent measured last summer shows that things are heating up. Yet, strangely, he develops amnesia when it come to the Antarctic record high sea ice extent recorded last fall.
The Abendblatt also writes that Marotzke is also annoyed that the IPCC AR5 draft was released prematurely, claiming that “it didn’t belong in public” and that “It is like stealing an unfinished car from the factory and then complaining that it is not complete.”
Marotzke adds:
“Anyone who signs up via the Internet and says he is an expert participates in the process. He only has to name 5 publications, which however are not assessed by the IPCC. We simply expect the information to be true. This openness makes us vulnerable.”
http://www.abendblatt.de/ratgeber/wissen/article112396213/Die-Erderwaermung-macht-erst-mal-Pause.html
Concerning his “unfinished car” analogy, Marotzke is saying that they forgot to put on the hood to hide the fact that the car doesn’t have, and never will have, a CO2 engine.
Marotzke says “Such plateaus also show up in our models. In such periods heat is absorbed more by the depths of the oceans. We can’t explain why this is so.” Then maybe we should stop asking the lavishly funded bureaucrat scientist stand-ins such complicated questions so they can concentrate on getting their next report cleaned up; They still have quite a lot of stuff to sweep under the rug.
They have busy schedules. They constantly need to travel from one tax payer funded congress to the next, not to mention the EU funded prices they need to collect for their efforts of saving the planet.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am
kea
Of course you are correct. If other Africans had not enslaved their “brothers” first and onsold them to the evil white man at the coastal forts there’d have been no African slave trade.
But we can’t accuse black Africans of being evil,only whites fit the bill.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am
“Some Asian or Pacific Islander individuals migrate to New Zealand to work within the agricultural industry. However in some cases once they arrive here they find they have to work in far worse conditions than promised or for far less pay.”
When I graduated University I was promised the World. I now work in a shithole office for much less pay then I had imagined (especially after the taxman has taken his cut)
Have I been ‘Human Trafficked’?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:30 am
What would the Bain followers and haters would do without his hero’s existence? They are littering Kiwi
Vote:BlogBain as if there is no tomorrow.January 10th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Oh the howls of outrage from Hobbit fans blinded by Nationalistic fervour-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8161526/The-Hobbit-snubbed-by-Baftas
I saw the film with a group of friends. Responses ranged from “OK but a bit dull and boring” to “a steaming pile of shit”.
Vote:International film critics have panned it.
Get over yourself New Zealand the World doesn’t owe you Academy awards…
January 10th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Oh and BTW … it maybe very hot in Australia at the moment but not as CATASTROPHIC as in the past. The worst heatwave ever recorded was at Marble Bar, Australia in 1923 and 1924. They had 160 days in a row over one hundred degrees.
“The world record for the longest sequence of days above 100°Fahrenheit (or 37.8° on the Celsius scale) is held by Marble Bar in the inland Pilbara district of Western Australia. The temperature, measured under standard exposure conditions, reached or exceeded the century mark every day from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924, a total of 160 days.”
Australia has a long history of heatwaves. The worst recorded heatwave was in 1939 when 438 people died. This heatwave affected South Australia, Victoria and New South Wales. Heatwaves have accounted for more deaths in Australia than any other climatic event. Some of the worst heatwaves on record are below:
January 1896 – 437 people died
January 1908 – 246 people died
February 1921 – 147 people died
January 1927 – 130 people died
January 1939 – 438 people died
February 1959 – 105 people died
January 1973 – 26 people died
February 1981 – 15 people died
February 1993 – 17 people died
February 2004 – 12 people died.
http://www.ema.gov.au/www/ema/schools.nsf/Page/LearnAbout_HeatwavesIn_My_Backyard
Vote:http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/natural-disasters
January 10th, 2013 at 10:47 am
already over 28 degrees here in Hastings with an expected high of 33.
it’s already a much better summer than last years
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Justice for Robin Bain’s public facebook page is back up. All fellow travellers welcome:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/408134969265868/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:52 am
TV plumbing new depths: The reality series “All My Babies’ Mamas” is about rapper Shawty Lo’s 11 children by 10 different women.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/09/all-my-babies-mama-petitioner-says-show-sends-very-dangerous-message/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Good grief. Was this the 2013 NY resolution? TV talk show reviews?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Manolo
There is no tomorrow.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:10 am
The nz trade weighted exchange rate is peaking at near all time highs since the dollar was floated.
In fact, it has been higher just once back in 2007 , but only for a few days.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:21 am
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=austrailer+temprature&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
http://www.noaa.gov/
Seems the line its not happening is now becoming imposable to support
So now its it is but it will not matter
Ask the poor bastards in aussie if a warming world is not a problem
Ask the farmers in the usa or england how the harvest is going
When it comes to science trust the scientists not a rag tag bunch of proven lairs and nutters
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:23 am
“This is a better version.”
Thanks for the link Fala, a beautiful video.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States John Roberts scheduled a case by attorney Orly Taitz dealing with Barack Hussein Obama’s use of forged IDs to be heard in conference before the full Supreme Court.
The case titled Noonan, Judd, MacLeran, Taitz v Bowen provides a mountain of evidence of Barack Obama using a last name not legally his, forged Selective Service application, forged long form and short form birth certificate and a Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425 which was never assigned to him according to E-Verify and SSNVS.
Additionally, this case provides evidence of around one and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California alone.
So, now that Obama has now been re-elected and is feverishly deconstructing the US Constitutional Republic, will the lily livered cowards who have been saying, for four years, “we dare not question his qualification, we’ll all just be labeled at right wing nuts, and it will consolidate his support”, now look at the evidence?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:32 am
birther:lol:
Vote:who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less
January 10th, 2013 at 11:34 am
That’s right, Grief, you’re like Obama just another global commie who wants to trash the American Constitution because it stands in the way of their ambitions.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:37 am
And its not a stupid and pointless law. There are good reasons for it, but what would be pointless is trying to explain those reasons, as discerned by brave and principles men much wiser than so many of today’s ignorant uneducated politicians, to a fucking drooling idiot like you.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Ure, I mean Griff, you’re talking rubbish. Just stop smoking.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:39 am
This case has two premises.
First. Plaintiffs provided the court with evidence of nearly One and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California. Such a large number of invalid votes justifies STAY of certification of the results.
Second. Plaintiffs provided evidence of Candidate Barack Obama committing massive elections fraud by using forged IDs and a fraudulently obtained Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425, which was never assigned to Obama and using a name, which is not legally his, as he is listed under the last name Soebarkah in his mother’s U.S. Passport and there is no evidence of him ever legally changing his name from Barack Obama Soebarkah to Barack Obama.
Additionally, in his school records in Indonesia his citizenship is listed as Indonesian, not American. There is no record of him relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and gaining the U.S. citizenship. Even if one were to believe that he arguendo changed his citizenship from Indonesian to American later in life, he would be a naturalized citizen and not natural born.
Additionally, plaintiffs provided the courts with a sworn affidavits of Maricopa county, AZ investigator Mike Zullo, who is currently conducting a criminal investigation of forgeries in Obama’s IDs, and who attested that Obama’s birth certificate, Selective Service certificate and Social Security card represent forgeries. Similarly, Plaintiffs provided affidavits of Sheriff Joseph Arpaio, Senior Deportation Officer John Sampson, experts Paul Irey, Douglas Vogt and Felicito Papa and investigator Susan Daniels, all of whom are attesting that Obama’s IDs are forgeries.
Affidavit of Assistant Clerk for the City of Honolulu Timothy Adams attests to the fact that there is no birth certificate for Barack Obama in any hospital in Hawaii. Statement of the Minister of Health of Kenya, James Orenga attesting to Obama’s birth in Kenya and Obama’s own biography submitted by him to his literally agent in 1991, stating that he was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia.
Plaintiffs are stating that if this court does not STAY the certification of the election results, this court will commit treason against the United States of America by allowing a foreign national, a citizen of Indonesia and possibly still citizen of Kenya to get in the position of the U.S. President and Commander n Chief by virtue of fraud and use of forged IDs and a stolen Social Security number.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Weddy
Cant prove your views with reason so insult
at least i prove my views before I but the boot in
birther nutter conspiwhackys
soooo common among conservonutters
Reality hurts so the poor conservonutters make up their own
Vote:Black man the president he cant be American hes black
January 10th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Well the Obama camp does not agree with you Griff.
Many of the same news organizations and research groups today dismissing concerns about Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility were far more eager to cover the issue when Republican presidential candidate John McCain was the subject.
An archive search shows the question of McCain’s birth certificate and his eligibility to be president was actively pursued by Democratic Party activists…
http://www.wnd.com/2010/03/127362/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Manalulu
Vote:thanks I would much rather be a pot smoking free thinker with the ability to sort fact from fiction then a moron who thinks conspiracy surrounds them
did I tell you that your posts have never added to any debate at any time on kb
……..eh………
January 10th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Reality hurts so the poor
conservonutterslibtards make up their ownBlackwhite man the president he cant be American hesblackwhite.See how facts can be fun Griff ?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Kea
when have facts ever been included in your posts
squawk squawk goes the kea
as he blurts out another made up post
squawk squawk goes the kea
as he posts on his favorite conspiwhacky
squawk squawk goes the kea
Its a global hoax by the left to rule the world
N U T T E R alert
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
I provided a link and quote Griff. I did not make it up and I do not control the internet (neither does BIG OIL). Google the subject for yourself. Both major parties in the US have tried to disqualify the competition based on the place of birth issue. It is a simple fact.
Why the different standard, simply because POTUS looks more like his dad than his mum ?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Temperature dips in 2012
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8162863/Temperature-dips-in-2012
Following grief’s pattern of logic this is a strong indication of global cooling.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Surely you guys have got better things to do than argue all day with a deranged loser like Grief.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Falafulu
I thought the moral of the story was that if Falafulu toes the lines…. then he doesn’t suffer social ostracism.
Nothing wrong with that now, is there?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Where is the different standard?
my comment said who cares where a politician was born
at no time have I stated who cares were a democrat is born but republican is different
again makey stuff up ……eh ……..kea
squawk squawk
I do not vote for the left you morons how many times that has been stated yet the nutters still can not absorb it
Vote:just because I actually like science and support the scientific method as valid does not make me a lefty
can you conservonutters get that into you little brains
science is not politics one is a reality the other purely a human construct
January 10th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
No GRIEF it is not warming at all. Seems there is global COOLING
“Global Warming Is Taking A Break“ – that was the title of an article at the online Hamburger Abendblatt on 4 January 2013. And that’s hard to miss when you look at the latest global temperature chart in the following link:
http://notrickszone.com/2013/01/09/ocean-heat-content-based-model-by-german-scientists-shows-continued-global-cooling/
“We should not wonder that the first quarter of 2013 will be approx. one tenth of a degree C cooler than the previous months because the push by the last mini El Nino, which ended in fall 2012, is over. After a slight warming of a few hundredths of a degree in the second quarter of 2013, a tenth of a degree of cooling can be expected for the fall of 2013. This of course is only if no huge ENSO event occurs during the 2nd half of 2013.”
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Maybe this outburst:
Weddy
Cant prove your views with reason so insult
at least i prove my views before I but the boot in
birther nutter conspiwhackys
soooo common among conservonutters
Reality hurts so the poor conservonutters make up their own
Black man the president he cant be American hes black
I have provided evidence that both sides have used the birth issue. Yet you only spoke out against the “conservonutters ” and went on to play the race-card.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Following grief’s pattern of logic this is a strong indication of global cooling.
keep it up right now it makes a change from your normal pointless adhommes on the scientists
0.1 degree under last century’s average
Vote:ops a little mistake there righty
you know
untruth lie bullshite
learning from squawky are you lie and make stuff up
check your story and give a little retraction please
January 10th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
And here is an up to date medium term trend of global temps
https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/286232516107595776/photo/1/large
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
“0.1 degree under last century’s average
ops a little mistake there righty
you know
untruth lie bullshite”
You’re making shit up again grief. I never said it was “0.1 degree under last century’s average”. Try reading it straight.
“True or not who cares” eh grief?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
No squawky I did not even know that some nutter on the left was trying the same trick
I repeat just for you squawky
birther:lol:
Who cares were he was born does the point of origin define a man
the USA has a archaic law on its books insisting that the president must be born American stupid pointless law no more no less
get it now
Vote:stupid pointless law full stop
not “only stupid and pointless only for one side”squawk
January 10th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
I think it is time the KB community gathered around and helped encourage our friend Griff to get some A&D councilling.
We are here for you Griffy. The world is not ending, but you do have an issue with the weed.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Now the flakes at the UK Met Office are into revision mode.
“Climate model forecast is revised”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20947224
It says the average temperature is likely to be 0.43 C above the long-term average by 2017, as opposed to an earlier forecast suggesting a (CATASTROPHIC
) difference of 0.54C.
However if the “average temperature is likely to rise by 0.43 C by 2017″, it doesn’t specify that is 0.43 above the 1971-2000 average. Tthat would be no change then.
In effect no increase in global temperatures over the 20 year period starting in 1997…
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
American patriots fought off the British and established the United States republic, underpinned by the Constitution.
Due to the fact that they were patriots, the framers of the Constitution were extremely aware of the danger of a foreigner who might have allegiances to overseas powers assuming the office of President.
They therefore specified that only a child born of two American citizens could qualify to be president. I repeat, the whole idea of the clause was to ensure unfaltering allegiance and loyalty to the US. To minimise as much as possible the chance of anyone with overseas allegiances obtaining the office.
This purpose has been completely defeated by the election of Barack Obama whose stated intention is to downgrade the global power of the US.
Obama’s overseas cultural experiences and his probable birth in Kenya have made it impossible for him to provide the loyalty to the US that the Constitution requires, and this is a fact that has been demonstrated in so many ways, most clearly when he is doing all he can to weaken the US’s armed forces by cutting its budgets and firing its old school generals and replacing them with touchy feely liberals who think like Obama.
So the framer’s fears of a traitor assuming the President’s office have been realised.
However this has only occurred because Obama has fraudulently claimed to meet the Constitution’s citizenship requirements.
Barack Obama is a traitor and he has no legal right to be POTUS.
That is the issue that is being fought, and for so many to claim that the Presidents eligibility is not an important issue is a demonstration of how lamely uninformed re history and law and the American Constitution so many citizens and politicians really are.
And if all of that isn’t enough to make you think, reflect on the fact that Obama is today advocating using the executive order process (in other words not even submitting the law to Congress) to disarm the American public, in direct contravention of the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
Barack Obama should be impeached and tried for treason.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Red, but the people of the US voted for Obama, twice !
My believe in democracy over rides technical concerns about his eligibility. I say they should get what they asked for.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
sorry right now
Vote::blush:
mind you
seeing that so what .1 degree under the last thirty year average
not quite of the same magnitude of say
1degree over the record all time
small difference in scale there righty
all time hot since we started taking records
vrs .1 degrees below the average for thirty years from 1970 to 2000
of course you can not see the diference
January 10th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Are we going into north Africa on stand by?
Why are we arguing over old slavery practices when it has no impact on the more quiet version practiced today?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Your belief in democracy is in this case worthless European socialist shit.
The US is not a democracy per se.
It is a Constitutional Republic.
Learn the difference, and it might help you understand that the Constitution is the law, and nobody, voters or citizens or politicians can betray that Constitution and it cannot be changed unless by the process specified in the Constitution.
You really need to learn to think a bit deeper Kea.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Griff, look on the bright side, all this global warming will extend the growing season.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
“Why are we arguing over old slavery practices when it has no impact on the more quiet version practiced today?”
Yeah, I tried to say that in my comment at 09:08.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
“seeing that so what .1 degree under the last thirty year average”
I’m happy to accept that it is statistically insignificant grief. How ’bout it?
Vote:Call it a gentleman’s agreement eh? 0.1 deg C is of no significance when discussing climate change.
January 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Ok Red. Can you name a few democracies, for my benefit ?
It looks like you are trying to say this is not “real” democracy, just as defenders of communism say the USSR, Mao’s China, etc were not “real” communists.
I do not accept that cop-out from the commies & I do not accept from you either.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
FFS-
The framers knew about democracy. They’d seen it in action in Europe. They knew how easy it is for tyranny to arise through the perversion of the democratic process.
So they made the US a Constitutional Republic rather than a socialist democracy.
They understood the problems that can arise through the tyranny of the majority so they deliberately did not set up a socialist democracy but a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.
And in setting it up they put many checks and balances in there to oppose tyranny.
Now with the Obama government in power, and acting so contrary to that Constitution, especially in attempting by executive order to disarm the citizenry, we see the result of ignoring the framers laws embedded in the Constitution. The US is staring tyranny in the face.
Obama won by a few million votes.
This does not give him the right to dissolve the Constitution.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Kea (1,511) Says:
January 10th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Take a look at this link Kea, at first i thought it must be rubbish but it was presented at that time, Very far forward thinking.
http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm
As one hungarian friend stated to me on this. You fight something so long you will eventually become it.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
love you link there axenuckle
you missed the important bit
This focus on the warmest year last century is a little skewed after all it was the warmest global temperature for around 150years not the best start point to prove there is no warming dont you think
Not only have we demolished that record this century twice but the record of 1998 is rapidly becoming the norm
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
CLIMATE SCIENCE & SOCIAL JUSTICE
A presentation by Griff
Vote:
January 10th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Azeraph, Good link, thanks.
While the US was fighting the, Cold War, it was losing ground to the socialists at home, right under its nose.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Did he marry a gorilla too?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
“Not only have we demolished that record this century twice”
by how much grief? Less than 0.1 deg C wasn’t it?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Warming? Really?
Not according to the facts:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8162863/Temperature-dips-in-2012
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Elaycee, measurements & observation are not “climate science”. Empirical data is useless. Thermometers are a ploy by BIG OIL to hide the terrible truth.
You need to focus on computer
Vote:gamesmodels.January 10th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
@elaycee — this is simply wrong to take a single year in one place as proof against global warming.
Converselly, one single year of warming cannot be used to prove climate warming is real.
In fact, you’d need to monitor global temperatures over say 100 years to get a true picture of global temperature trends.
It does get boring people waving around a cold european summer or a hurricane as proof for or against global warming.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
I wonder if Reddy dreams of moving to the United States when he is bigger and joining forces with other birtherism-befuddled, rapture-seeking, gun-crazy ‘patriots’?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
mikenmild, maybe Red can come visit you in the glorious socialist paradise of North Korea
You can educate him on gun control and human rights, as socialists are trend setters in that area.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Reddy would do well in North Korea – the land of militaristic paranoid totalitarians.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Yeah I admit he has a lot of common ground with the government of the dear leader.
Liberty is not for dopers & queers.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Kea, Milky is a troll, with a brain so narrow it is only 10 cm wide and held firmly in place in his skull by means of being between two short planks of wood wrapped in rubber bands.
His petulant insults just reinforce the obvious fact that he has no ability to argue because he doesn’t know anything.
You can get away with ignorance and stupidity when you’re a public servant.
In fact its considered a positive and career enhancing attribute.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
“Liberty is not for dopers & queers.”
Kea, you are a useful idiot.
Don’t you ever ask yourself why the have been winning for so long, and why we today live in a virtual one party state where certain words and (worse) ideas are verboetten?
The only way to defeat the left is never give them a millimetre.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
When Reddy matures a bit perhaps he will be allowed to join a suitable branch of the public service and help out his fellow citizens.
Vote:Study hard at school Reddy! Listen to your mother! You could yet make a contribution to your country!
January 10th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Red, I agree with your central point on how the left have undermined our society. I do not agree that queers & dopers are necessarily lefties. We need everyone on our side we can get. It also relates to my belief in personal freedom, tempered with responsibility. Homos are not the natural enemy of the right. That is a leftist construction that does not fit with reality.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Sorry Kea, you may be too tolerant of homosexuals to be allowed in Reddy’s imaginary world of freedom.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:01 pm Vote:
January 10th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
@#%% … edit ..!!
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Honestly, is anyone else bored with the global warming discussions on here?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Those issues are distractions that merely allow the left to fragment society and therefore fragment opposition. Its all part of the plan, and if you thought more deeply about such things you would see how you are being played like a violin.
You have lost your freedom.
It is gone.
The fight now is to get it back, and concerning yourself with issues like homosexual marriage and pot smoking is just worthless shit.
The left have been successfully employing these diversion strategies for decades and it has bought them unprecedented political power.
Yet still people will not wake up to the fact that if there is one thing that will defeat the left it is a solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations, and it is only since they have destroyed these concepts that the left have assumed so much untrammeled power.
Its like having a tiled floor, and the tiles are taken away piece by piece by piece until you have nowhere to stand except where the left want you to.
We have to drive them back on every front, but put more energy into the larger concepts that solidify us rather than diversions that fracture us. Don’t let the left take any more tiles. Put them back and rebuild the floor we once had and that did not allow the left to control us. Its the only way.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
“Own goal alert.”
Oh fuck off you petty obsessive troll, you have nothing but completely free of substance childish insults in every comment.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Weddy wants to force the rest of us to be free
Vote:With maximum prejudice
Reminds me of some nutter named pol pot in that respect
You can not be more free than the deceased
January 10th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Careful WineOh, Reddy is trying to divert attention away from the global warming discussion to theories about leftist undermining of the family unit in the West. Something to do with the Frankfurt School, possibly, but the Masons might figure in it as well and maybe even shape-shifting aliens, if we’re really lucky.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
You just make sure you look after us slaves Milky, like any good slave owner should.
Just imagine what would happen if we all went away and you had to do the work yourself.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations
Where do those who are not interested in a solid patriarchal society with solid family foundations fit within your grand plan
Vote:do they get Red or a Black triangles ?
Would I get both with oak leaves and five stars?
Many of us will not partake in your grand plan
Is that when you start loading the wagons
January 10th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
GRIEF proclaims that “2012 was a historic year for extreme weather that included drought, wildfires, hurricanes and storms; according to an analysis released today by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. The average temperature for 2012 was 55.3°F, 3.2°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above 1998, the previous warmest year.
However NOAA has inflated the 2012 record maximum number by adding new stations which didn’t exist during the hot years of the 1930s. That is a completely illegitimate approach, suitable only for government workers.
An apples to apples comparison uses only the same stations. When that is done, 2012 doesn’t even crack the ten hottest years.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/734851_394075694016466_1038821223_n.jpg
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Griff- think what you like. I’m not interested in your opinion on anything and I’m not interested in challenging it or changing it.
You’re a completely irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit, a typical product of socialism, and there is nothing anyone can do to change that sad fact, but one thing we should know is not to waste our time trying to.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
As Reddy is also an ‘irrational ignorant uneducated ignorant of history fuckwit;, does that make his comments ironic, or just ‘a typical product of socialism’?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Discuss.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
axenuckle
Vote:Unlinked graph just do not cut it
It could be from any where
Come on axey Link your source
I love reading nutter blogs
Must have read every one in the last couple of years
Still haven’t seen one anyone with 0.25 of a brain would use for researching actual science
January 10th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
davinci, what about your current laconism? A New Year resolution, maybe?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
oops, errata:
Now, discuss.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
There was no resolution because there is no tomorrow Manolo.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Actually MM I thought i done a good job of dropping a godwin
Vote:quite witty my reference to triangles
January 10th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
DVM
Vote:If Reddy believes President Obama was born in Kenya, he may well believe anything. Hopefully the loving correction that he can receive at Kiwiblog will help him towards rationality.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
axeman – a word of advice. If you do choose to keep playing with the THC afflicted, don’t bother linking to anything. In his sad, confused little world anything produced by a scientist become immediately ‘nutball juck denalists pig shit’ the instant it’s published on a site he doesn’t approve of – eg the worlds most viewed climate site. Conversly, the opinions of activists, NGOs and proven liars become worship-worthy science the second they’re published somewhere he does approve of.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Hey griff, how many years have had an average temp more than 0.1 deg C hotter than 1998?
Easy question. I suggest Hadcrut3 or 4 are most likely to return a non-zero result, but then again…
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
thedavaselinemode-
The comment had substance, as it pointed out the fact that like yourself, more of Milkie’s contributions were petulant unamusing petty little insults rather than comments that provide any substance to any debate.
Again, like you, he doesn’t know anything so he is at a loss in any discussion ranging outside typical socialist topics.
If narcissism wasn’t your driving emotion, you’d have much better comprehension abilities. See if a shrink can fix that.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
BTW, re the narrowness of Milkie’s brain.
I should have written 10 millimetre not 10 cm.
A deliberate mistake none of you obsessive readers of my comments appear to have picked up.
Fail.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Do you think Obama will employ the Order over gun violence? If so, What do you think a good chunk of America’s reaction will be?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
KK with no link to anything except a graph it is valueless
I want the website its a new spin on an old argument always amusing when they do that
Refering to WUWT hows the paper going from that amazing scientist A Watt has he represented it with the time of bais added
all that work only to prove global warming
When he does he will prove that station placement does not change the warming trend
At a guess axenuckle is linking to a source doing the same thing
Using the unadjusted figures without the time of bais so the data is not a consistent measurement
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
“Do you think Obama will employ the Order over gun violence? If so, What do you think a good chunk of America’s reaction will be?”
I don’t know.
Talk is cheap, and although there is much of it about concerning succession or a new civil war I’m not convinced.
I think Obama may just be impeached.
That said I think he wants an uprising.
He has stacked the army with generals who think like him, and is prepared to kill 25 million Americans to do as his mentor Ayers suggested should be done to impose socialism/ communism in the US and delete the Constitution and the Republic from the country’s history.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:07 pm Vote:
January 10th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Yes RRM, another of the davaselinemode’s party of cowards and low intellect losers who have no compunction in placing text here that they know was not written by myself, (but implying to those who may not know its source that it was.)
Deceit and cowardice is how you operate RRM, and one only has to wait around for a short time, and as always, you will provide an example of what a hate filled lying and deceitful little yellow bellied dirtbag you really are.
One of the few times I have responded to your worthless crap, and only needed to do so to counter your smear that I had written the above.
Have a good day scumbag.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
I merely pasted up some text Weddy.
It amuses me that you self-identified with it so quickly
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Oh, I was going to remind you that your habitual horrible smiley face symbol was missing but I see its back now.
Hypocrisy never troubled you one iota did it?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Weddy 2 points for the outstanding conservonuutter conspirawhacky of the week. Have you ever thought of starting your own blog?
ops, you have one and it almost not quite had 50 views one month.
Tells as more name the others in the grand plot.
Ill take a biiiiiiig toke and chuckle for the next hour.
Nothing like a conspiawhacky for a good laugh
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
grief, still waiting. How many years can you find that are more than 0.1 deg C hotter than 1998?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Discuss.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
It might be time to stop picking on Reddy now. Although it is good sport, I am starting to feel a bit sorry for him. I’ll keep chuckling to my self over him accusing me of being narrow-minded though.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
DVM
Vote:“‘You cannot be serious”?
January 10th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
So, given that Singapore is the model society that doesn’t tolerate anti-social behaviour, what would happen if a narcissistic over-inflated bag of wind parked his car on a bridge and held up traffic for miles just to make himself feel important?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Fake Redbaiter:
Real Redbaiter:
Oh, and
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Very well done milky.
But your sorrow for him is merely your pinko inner self. It’s just political so you don’t need to worry.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
“It might be time to stop picking on Reddy now.”
Well, you could always try argument, but I guess seeing that requires knowledge and information and intelligence, we won’t be seeing that change take place.
I mean listening to Radio NZ all day is going to leave you about as well informed as your average Russki reading Pravda back in the fifties isn’t it?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Is that what the other boys called you at school reddie? Is that why they wouldn’t play with you? (No I don’t mean that)
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
The Singaporean version of the prison holiday camp in Midnight Express, I would imagine. Perhaps Sarah would be the one to visit?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
thedavaslelinemode, another slinking coward, uses his National party based relationship with the blog owner to post messages that would get other commenters instant demerits.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
hudson
Sarah never replied to any of his letters so no.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
And just for comparison, here’s one by some other “Redbaiter”, one who racked up 13,197 posts. Obviously no relation, as setting up multiple user accounts would be deceitful and duplicitous…
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/01/capitalisms_bad_pr.html#comment-393811
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
tdvm,
Perhaps the inflatable version then?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Are we playing wheres wally RN
record Temperature 1998 very warmer than the preceding 250 odd years
http://berkeleyearth.org/results-summary/
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
Big jump up to the 1997-1998 high temperature last century
Vote:We have increased that temperature since
you could say from 1995 the temperature has risen .4 of degrees
or as you try to misrepresent .1 from 1998
The peaks are interesting as aussie found out can cause catastrophic effects
The trend is global warming
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/temp/hansen/graphics/gl_land.gif
The peaks are weather
oh and nutjobs peaks may be weather but they are obviously the result of the warming trend
January 10th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
A friend said to me he’s “Baiting” the conservatives with the order but she say’s it feels like they have an adolescent for a President.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Sorry fans, have to leave now.
It is so sad to leave such a den of erudition and wit.
Feel free to carry on without me.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Az, check out the Drudge Report.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
And for the cartoon for those that are terminally confused over the whole thing
Vote:http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif
January 10th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Oblique grief, the question was simple, you shouldn’t have had any problems finding the answer.
Suddenly 0.1 deg C isn’t looking so insignificant to you now?
You see this is why you’re a hypocrite:
When it’s wamer by < 0.1 deg C you say "we demolished that record"
When it's cooler by 0.1 deg C you say "so what"
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
YIPPEE!!! My favourite gif from the SS.
So, what’s the long term trend in the escalator gif grief?
Is it:
a) >2 deg C per century
b) <2 deg C per century
Easy question again. Obvious answer too. It's clearly below 2 deg C per century. And this is your big smoking gun
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
See above graph RN you may not Get it but most sane people would.
Does the record stand now RN ? no its gone no more record smashed twice
Will a new record happen soon
met service UK says 50% chance any given year in the future will be a global temperature record
Pointing out all time record temperatures for countries and the globe is reminding people that global warming is happening
pointing out cold snaps and cool years is talking about the weather
http://www.skepticalscience.com/16_more_years_of_global_warming.html
Vote:http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/05/el-nino-global-warming/
January 10th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
So there is a 50% chance it will not be a temperature record.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Sure there’s been warming grief. Just like there was warming in the first half of the 20th century, in fact the slopes are identical – i.e. the same rate of warming.
Where’s the anthropological fingerprint though? The warming has flatlined, emissions haven’t.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
So who started all this AGW business and who paid for it:
http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
The history and funding is not disputed btw.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Most of which has happened since 1975 speeding up as predicted
oh look squawky is doing statistics clap clap
of course the first point in a series is always a record
with progressively less chance of a record the more the data points
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
The cat is out of the bag:
“And so she said to the scientists – she went to the Royal Society and she said: “there’s money on the table for you to prove this stuff”. So of course they went away and did that.”
http://www.ofcomswindlecomplaint.net/fullcomplaint/p65.htm#C71
This is one of Griffs “scientists”
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
” [Nigel Lawson]
She was very concerned, always – I remember when I was Secretary of State for Energy – to promote nuclear power, long before the issue of climate change came up, because she was concerned about energy security; and she didn’t trust the Middle East, and she didn’t trust the National Union of Mineworkers: so she didn’t trust oil, and she didn’t trust coal. Therefore she felt we really had to push ahead with nuclear power. And then when the climate change/global warming thing came up, she felt: “well this is great: this is another argument – because it doesn’t have any carbon dioxide emissions – this is another argument why you should go for nuclear. And that is what she was really, largely, saying. It’s been misrepresented since then.
“
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
hudson
That is the reason he purchased the inflatable version, but if you are seriously suggesting that an inflatable Sarah could rescue him then that’s just being silly. Even the fully optioned auto-drain multi-rider model couldn’t pull that off.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
“Most of which has happened since 1975 speeding up as predicted”
Speeding up? Lay off the weed boy, you’re hallucinating!
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
No, but in Midnight Express his visitor (girlfriend) did feel very sorry for him…
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
tdvm,
Hidden file?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
cospirowhaky alert Maggie did it
Vote:contradiction alert rwnj use Maggie as the originator of the great global warming conspiwhaky
Squawky has previously stated its a commie plot by the vast left wing campaign to inflict agenda 21 on the world
Extreme risk of nutter brain cognitive dissonance explosion
January 10th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
But she embraced truth:
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7823477/Was-Margaret-Thatcher-the-first-climate-sceptic.html
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
In her own words.
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108237
Vote:
January 10th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
hudson
Completely impractical given its susceptibility to puncturing as evidenced by the mood swings from just unpleasant and nasty to pathologically embittered bigotted and rascist redneck.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
1 papers that dont dispute the current scientific consensus on agw 13926+
papers that depute the current consensus 24
http://scienceprogress.org/2012/11/27479/
http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/index/
There is No statistically significant debate among the scientists.
2 Again the presentation of the scientific consensus around global warming as a ideological issue
the attempts to minimize the effects may be politics
The science NUTTERS is not
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Griff, just slow down a bit and look at what I and others have presented to you.
You seem intelligent enough to understand. You are fixated on the “science” but discount the other (human) factors influencing that science. It is like you have Autisim or something.
I respect the scientific method greatly. But there are many examples of scientists getting caught up in the moment and being very wrong in their conclusions. I know that you know that, so wake up and have a fresh look.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
News: Gun makers prepare to counter gun bans with refusal to do business with the military, law enforcement or any government entity. If their civilian products are banned then no sales to the government either.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
1865 baseball card found in Maine to be auctioned
It’s not the same as a modern baseball card
http://www.krqe.com/dpps/news/strange/1865-baseball-card-found-in-maine-to-be-auctioned-nd13-jgr_5304732
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Ha ha ha……
What the authority worshiping anti gun crowd do not understand is that private citizens developed most of the military arms. The government does not own them. We allow the government to use our inventions.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Look At what? your conspiowhacky
Unsupported conspiracy thinking may be normal to you to me that says nutter in flashing capitals.
odds are way to high to get any conspiwqhacky or false scientific premise past the reality filter
Scientist caught up in the moment :lol; over the last forty years of research and data collection by ten of thousands all sucked in by a lie
The science says global warming 13926 papers to 24
The physical world around us says global warming
Nutter blogs funded by the carbon industry blatantly attempting to distort the scientific reality around climate change
Very often the same people involved in the tobacco industry’s attempt to do the same over the danger of cigarette smoke
all easily verified and documented
As I have read most of them I am more aware of there arguments than you are. Most are the same old recycled blatant crap that’s been echoing around for years. By the way you dont need desmog blog or similar to find this out a smart person would work it out for themselves
Nutters stick their heads in the sand and go nah nah nah its not happening
Vote:or squawk squawk as the case may be
January 10th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
kea – Lost cause. You can’t debate with someone who can’t debate, moreso when the CAGW industry lies just spew out in an incoherent THC-inspired jumble comment after comment. His inability to acknowledge there’s enough controversy to warrant a look a basic human motivations, eg confirmation bias, simply leaves no room for reeasonable discourse.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
1. Explain what the carbon industry is ?
2. Who funds the AGW scientists ?
You are too much of a coward to answer that and I have asked you many times. I suspect you know your lying.
Their is no such thing as the “carbon industry”. Coal miners and oil drillers make money from coal and oil. There is no money in denial of AGW.
The AGW crowds ONLY source of income is fear of climate change. They have nothing else. A few years ago no one would have even heard of “climate scientists” but now they siphon billions from the workers of the world through taxes.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
krazykiwi, yeah you are right. He seems to be getting worse too.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
So the (imaginary) carbon industry is conspiring with tobacco growers to destroy the earth
This shows how drugs really can help creativity. Though it clearly comes at a price.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
This seems topical.
Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nca81qumnylp90o/2012-12-19_2200.png
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Russia’s advice to the US: http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
nasska & manolo, great links
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
what do you think science is KK
If multiple strands of research reach the same conclusion scientist are inclined to trust this conclusion is sound
13926 papers to 24 you are quite welcome to dispute any paper you disagree with
The very few attempts to disprove global warming do not stand up to peer review you can look at comment etc for most papers online if you are interested . One of my prior links had good commentary on the few published anti AGW papers.
squawk squawk pulls fact from:wwwfactspulledoutofmyarsefornutterscom. billions and billions of conspiwhacky dollars
Vote:What did RN post the other day $330.000 for two years work for two or three people About the same as any similar research say into the link between conspiracy thinking and mental disorder.
Of course some idiots dont want us to research climate change its a little too scary for their poor brains to cope with.
January 10th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Yup, as we speak the Obama death squads are fanning out……
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Hay Griff you cowardly little prick……… still waiting for answers.
Oh and do not forget the details of the “climate experiment” you told us about yesterday. I will expect all the usual links to scientific papers that you provide when lying about AGW.
I used to give you the benefit of the doubt and think you were wrong, but sincere. Now I see you are both wrong and insincere. You are motivated by the same thing as the left, hatred of your fellow man due to your personal self esteem issues.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Why kea thanks for the analysis
Vote:Ive had worse
January 10th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
My pleasure Griff. Keep being a wanker and I will do worse !
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Problem: to much carbon as co2 added to atmosphere causing temperature to rise
Answer: reduce carbon added to atmosphere Stop burning fossil fuels (coal gas oil for squawk)that add the co2
conflict: How do we support our standard of living ..cost of change from carbon oil gas goal economy to sustainable or nuclear
kea co2 is a by product of how they make their money)
conflict: how do oil gas and goal companies continue to make money if we stop using their product (money
conflict : how does the developing world develop if they are denied the boost we received from burning hydrocarbons and making co2
Answer nukes ?
maybe that’s Obama next move after killing all the political dissenters He will nuke the red states to glass.
Vote:I wounder if reds all right hes has to be inline for assignation hes so important in the conservative movement is this country.
January 10th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Griff, now we are getting somewhere. The architect of AGW had a problem with the dam commie coal miners back in the old country. She decided to sell Nuclear Energy to the hippie generation and pulled it off. Clever bitch.
Yep fossil fuels add co2, but the contribution is tiny. Rotting vegetable matter contributes more, as do many other natural emitters. (Actually “carbon” in that context means organic and fossil fuels are just organic matter.)
Keep up the science study and cut back on the hooch, you will get there.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
“What did RN post the other day $330.000 for two years work for two or three people”
RN posted no such thing. RN pointed out that the totally inept Gergis received another grant of more than $300k even after completely fucking up the last paper she worked on – which was totally ripped apart by skeptics resulting in the journal rejecting the paper outright.
And the hypocrite grief thought Anthony Watts getting funding of $88k, mostly to pay a developer, is evidence that skeptics are funded by big oil!
Now grief, all the ‘peer-reviewed’ papers in the world don’t change the fact that the warming has stopped do they? Although a lot of them go through great feats of contortion to try and explain why, while still trying to claim CO2 is the overwhelming forcing in climate change.
But when the rate of warming approaches zero, completely falsifying models projecting accelerated warming, your suspension of disbelief is truly something awe inspiring. Or you’re just a moronic sheep.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
baa
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Some people have readable signatures. Some people have unreadable signatures. Then there’s Jack Lew, possibly in the running for US treasury secretary. His signature just consists of loops. There don’t appear to be letters at all in it!
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
I have a question.
Vote:This Carbon that is being released by burning fossil fuels; where did the Carbon come from?
Was it already in the atmosphere and got absorbed, and now we get Oil that we use as fuel that goes into the atmosphere where it came from?
I think someone needs to explain the porkies being told
January 10th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Loved the cognitive dissonance rush you had at 6:50 squawky
you know that having conflicting reality with the world around you causes hair to grow on your palms
Read this is helps with the old cog dis and doesn’t cost like a shrink
http://www.philosophersbeard.org/2010/08/conspiracy-thinking-part-ii.html
Diagnosing and Refuting Conspiracy Thinking
The difficulty of conspiracy thinking is its pathological character; the problem of conspiracy thinking is the enormous danger of false positives. One way to identify and challenge conspiracy thinking is to evaluate its internal coherence: ‘Do these claims even make sense in their own terms?’
I previously discussed the importance of an authoritative common sense about the way-the-world-works in protecting societies from conspiracy thinking. One might call this the ‘external coherence’ test: are such theories consistent with what you know of how the world works? Think of Barney Frank’s response to the loonies: ‘On what planet do you spend most of your time?’.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Now noone had better tell reddy about this. NZ no 1 in the freedom stakes, Singapore 39.
surely not. Can’t be Reddy syays its a much better place.
The index is a chapter in Towards a Worldwide Index of Human Freedom (.pdf) (published by Fraser and Liberales) which has the following table. It shows the rankings, the numbers are the ratings for personal freedom, economic freedom and the freedom index:
1 New Zealand 9.2 8.22 8.73
2 Netherlands 9.5 7.45 8.47
3 Hong Kong 7.8 9.02 8.39
4 Australia 8.8 7.83 8.33
5 Canada 8.7 7.92 8.33
6 Ireland 9.0 7.68 8.33
7 United States of America 8.7 7.93 8.30
8 Denmark 8.9 7.71 8.30
9 Japan 9.2 7.38 8.28
10 Estonia 8.9 7.65 8.28
11 Switzerland 8.6 7.96 8.26
12 Norway 9.2 7.34 8.26
13 Finland 8.8 7.54 8.16
14 Austria 8.7 7.59 8.13
15 Luxembourg 8.7 7.53 8.12
16 Chile 8.2 7.99 8.12
17 Iceland 9.0 7.16 8.10
18 United Kingdom 8.4 7.78 8.08
19 Slovakia 8.6 7.57 8.07
20 Costa Rica 8.8 7.35 8.05
21 El Salvador 8.5 7.58 8.04
22 Uruguay 9.4 6.67 8.03
23 Spain 8.8 7.19 8.00
24 Albania 8.6 7.38 7.98
25 Portugal 8.9 7.08 7.97
26 Bahamas 8.8 7.08 7.94
27 Malta 8.8 7.06 7.94
28 Panama 8.5 7.32 7.92
29 Sweden 8.6 7.26 7.91
30 Mauritius 8.1 7.61 7.88
31 Hungary 8.4 7.39 7.87
32 Belgium 8.5 7.14 7.83
33 France 8.4 7.20 7.78
34 Czech Republic 8.7 6.88 7.78
35 Germany 8.0 7.47 7.75
36 Guatemala 8.3 7.15 7.73
37 Poland 8.6 6.88 7.73
38 Peru 8.0 7.36 7.68
39 Singapore 6.6 8.75 7.67
40 Italy 8.5 6.75 7.62
41 Lithuania 8.2 7.03 7.61
42 Bulgaria 8.0 7.18 7.60
43 Slovenia 8.5 6.61 7.56
44 Korea, Republic of 7.7 7.33 7.53
45 Cyprus 7.6 7.50 7.53
more:http://homepaddock.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/were-free/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
# Steve.
http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/sccs/public/where.html
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Steve. Good question. It is also another question Griff refuses to answer, but he will hurl abuse at you for asking.
All the co2 in fossil fuels came from the atmosphere. This is because fossil fuels are organic matter.( Same as GE free Organic mung bean sprouts.) Plants absorb co2 and must do so in order to live.
All known life is carbon based. When any form of live breaks down, it releases the carbon back to where it came from, the atmosphere.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
cha, the little picture is bullshit (your link).
Most co2 goes back into the atmosphere through decomposition, not fossil fuel. That picture shows all terrestrial co2 turns to fossils and only re-enters the cycle when processed by man. That is a blatant lie.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
A priest was vested in his surplice and cassock ready to
proceed at the beginning of a procession. His surplice
was very ornate, and he was swinging the incense pot,
which had smoke coming from it.
Lance, the flaming fruit from down the road,
Vote:touched him on the shoulder and said, “Darling, I love
your dress, but your purse is on fire!”
January 10th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
“cha, the little picture is bullshit (your link).”
Take my advice.
Never click on the socialist goon’s links.
I learned long ago that they’re worthless, and now I have no curiosity whatsoever as to what they might convey.
If the snivelling little commie is so incoherent and ill educated he can’t articulate his position himself, then fuck him anyway.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Steve
Vote:All at once we are putting carbon that has been buried over tens of millions of years back into the atmosphere
To much co2 makes the atmosphere warm up
Squawks version of reality ignors that we are adding lots of co2 to the atmosphere that is not part of the normal carbon cycle
When the earths atmosphere had lots more carbon it was a lot warmer. If we keep adding this buried carbon it will be again.
January 10th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Red, I encourage you to check out cha’s link. It is really doing my head in how much these people are willing to distort the truth.
Check it out : http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/sccs/public/where.html
Note how all life turns into fossils ! Wow, hard to be polite about that shit.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
I see Reddy’s back from the charm school to spread his inimitable rays of sunshine.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Yes!.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Question
Why do people who hide behind pseudonyms call other people who hide behind pseudonyms cowards?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Longknives at 10:30am
This is the Man.
You have been human trafficked citizen.
Just in case you are tempted to get above your station in life, The Man recommends that you repeat the following mantra for thirty seconds slowly and with emphasis every fifteen minutes during work hours. *I am human traffic*.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
squwk squwk
its like watching a spinning top get the wobbles
Vote:cog dis…. cry to weddy …eh….
He will understand his own reality has wobbles as well
January 10th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Viking2-
You need to get an education, then you might now when you’re being jerked off by liberal propagandists.
The expression is “no one”.
There is no such word as noone.
(In that context. It is of course otherwise a proper noun)
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
dvm
Vote:cause it makes them think they are not ?
January 10th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Good question thedavaselinemode-
But its nothing to do with pseudonyms.
Its to do with being a gentleman, wherein you never take an advantage that you may have and use it against anyone.
When you do that, for example when you call people “turd burglars”, and do that only because you know that you have the advantage of the blog owner’s patronage and therefore will not be demerited, it is the action of a coward.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Suicide To Be Punishable By Death
Following last week’s announcement that suicide in Singapore will be regulated, the government has decided to make suicide a capital offence.
“Suicide is a deadly serious matter of life or death,” said Minister for Suicide Mr. Yeow Teow Loh. “We cannot let citizens decide important things by their own hands and affect our manpower projections.”
The MOS has written a white paper, and will be tabling it for debate in the next parliamentary session.
The Suicide and Miscellaneous Manpower Offences Bill calls for those attempting suicide to face a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
However, repeat offenders will face the death penalty.
“We believe that the strongest possible sentence will deter offenders,” said Mr. Yeow.
The move has been welcomed by EuthanAsians, an Asian right to death pressure and support group.
“We back the new death policy,” said Dr. Mao Mah Tee, president of EuthanAsians. “And we will do whatever it takes to get the bill passed. Die-die must become legislation.”
Minister Yeow continued, “The Bill is not yet complete. We may not have jurisdiction over successful suicides. As they have gone beyond, we don’t know if we can catch them. But we are confident. After all, God is on our side.”
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Reddy, lighten up. A little poem just for you.
Another year has passed
And we’re all a little older.
Last summer felt hotter
And winter seems much colder.
There was a time not long ago
When life was quite a blast.
Now I fully understand
About ‘Living in the Past’
We used to go to weddings,
Football games and lunches.
Now we go to funeral homes
And after-funeral brunches.
We used to have hangovers,
From parties that were gay.
Now we suffer body aches
And wile the night away.
We used to go out dining,
And couldn’t get our fill.
Now we ask for doggie bags,
Come home and take a pill.
We used to often travel
To places near and far.
Now we get sore arses
From riding in the car.
We used to go to nightclubs
And drink a little booze.
Now we stay home at night
And watch the evening news.
That, my friend is how life is,
Vote:And now my tale is told.
So, enjoy each day and live it up…
Before you’re too damned old!
January 10th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Reddy won’t like the bit about ‘parties that were gay’.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
So Griff, you believe that all life becomes a fossil then ?
There goes ever last scrap of your credibility. Don’t bother to use/abuse science any longer.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Viking2 you shouldn’t take all the bullshit that people come up with on here as gospel, all that does is prove you to be a gullible fool. Anyone can write anything on the internet and true or false it will often find a life of its own. You should know that by now if you have a functioning brain.
I’m enjoying a slow period at work at the moment but Sunday I’m back into my usual schedule of 18 hour days and global travel (one of the reasons I cannot blog as frequently as I wish, its just too time consuming) and I’m not at all the person you seem to believe I am or that you appear to be yourself.
However, just go on believing what you want. In the end, its not that important who I am or what I do, its what I say that is the issue.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
No squawky I believe that you brain has become fossilized by conspiwhacky paranoid delusion
Vote:That is similar but not quite the answer you are looking for
January 10th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
So the knowledge that not all living things become a fossil is “conspiwhacky” in your dope addled world.
You should stick to opinion pieces and forget the science stuff Griff.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RRM
Our cryptoanalysts have finally managed to break the “Baitercode” which has had everyone stonewalled for years. I can confirm that Reddy’s statement….”I’m enjoying a slow period at work at the moment but Sunday I’m back into my usual schedule of 18 hour days and global travel “…..actually means that he is heading off on a deep ops mission.
The enemies of conservatism should be afraid….very afraid!
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
The pilots pilot Bob Hoover performs stopped engine aerobatics.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
“not all living things become a fossil”
That is imposable to prove have you read a study on all living things in the universe encompassing the entire time frame of reality no so again we have a squawk
Dont look at me cha dropped that one not me
Are you an aspie? you seem to have a very hard time following normal human discourse in a liner way and you take things way to literal with an ASD like inability to cope with analogy
See the shrink do the test and get the meds kea it will help with the cog dis and paranoia as well
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Cha, that was a much better link. Amazing
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
AUSTRALIA’S supply of vacant jobs is dwindling, making it harder to find work than it has been in years. New results from the only comprehensive national survey of vacancies show they have slid 8 per cent in the past year, undoing most of the gains since the global financial crisis.
Australia had only 166,000 vacant jobs in November, down from 193,000 two years earlier. More than 600,000 Australians were looking for work.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/job-vacancies-plunge-as-confidence-slides-20130109-2cguy.html#ixzz2HYn0GJq4
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Cha, I know your a commie so you may like this display. One of my favourite planes.
Su-35 thunderstorm at MAKS 2009
Vote:
January 10th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Mrs Yeagers little fella Jimmie isn’t happy.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Rather partial to Jack Northrups flying wings myself.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/rogue-asteroid-a-fifth-bigger-than-first-thought-20130110-2chj8.html
An asteroid believed to pose a remote risk of colliding with Earth this century is 20 per cent larger than previously thought, according to the European Space Agency (ESA).
ESA said its Herschel deep-space telescope had scanned a space rock called 99942 Apophis last weekend as it headed towards its closest flyby with our planet in years on Thursday.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/rogue-asteroid-a-fifth-bigger-than-first-thought-20130110-2chj8.html#ixzz2HYpzt5Qq
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Viking.s having a larf using that index as evidence of anything.
When HK gets 3rd place where they can’t choose their own govt!
But for some fuckwits if Aotearoa/NZ gets top billing then they go all weak at the knees.
And Viking’s been shitting on all year about us being US poodles ,police state etc.
Not to mention the criteria,how slack is your arse was one of the categories!And do women get to boss the boys around FFS!
Shit in shit out.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
their boost from mining can only insulate them so long
Vote:If those that postulate china’s economy is in a overheated bubble are right.
Its only time and mining takes a hit.
Aussie then rushes to fall as far as everyone else.
As you get older you realize boom’s always bust sooner or later.
January 10th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Quite an interesting article on the reactions of Barack Obama’s suckholing commie press aparachiks to the Drudge headline picturing Obama with Stalin and Hitler-
http://washingtonexaminer.com/journalists-react-in-shock-to-drudge-report-header-featuring-hitler-and-stalin/article/2518041?custom_click=rss#.UO6BtfXjbyL
The comments are worth the read too.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Discuss if you can be bothered. I can’t.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100197458/aussie-heatwaves-and-the-met-office-reveal-the-certainties-and-uncertainties-that-are-forgotten-in-the-climate-row/
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
“Discuss if you can be bothered. I can’t.”
Except you can.
All day every day.
Obsessed to the point of insanity, and apparently a New Year’s resolution that lasted only days.
You really do need to see a shrink.
Even for a National Socialist, you’re in a pretty bad way.
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
So ‘baitey, why did you refer to Michelle Obama as a gorilla?
Vote:January 10th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
I see the bainites have got around to bestiality
Vote:Who fucked a goat seems to be the pivotal piece of evidence at present
Quite funny when the gay marriage one hits the same theme of discussion. Whos going to marry a goat?
Is there some link between the church god and goats or is that the other god bunch?
January 10th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
What is the hottest time of the day grief? Is it 1pm (daylight savings time) when the sun is at it’s zenith and it’s rays have to travel through the least amount of atmosphere? No, it’s between 3 and 4.30 depending on factors like cloud and wind.
Vote:It’s similar with summer. Although our longest day, with the most sunlight, is around Dec 22, the hottest time of the summer happens after that.
Think about that, perhaps wait until you’re straight.
January 11th, 2013 at 12:15 am
Right now
Read the above link you will like it More a measured line between the two camps than totally polarized
warmest time of day is around 1500 standard time
Vote:longest day 22 December shortest 22june
warmest period around late Feb early March coldest July August
Inertia -Takes time to warm up as summer progresses
Same thing with forcing like sun activity or el nino time gap between the phenomenon and the resulting warmth in the yearly record
Probably one of the reasons met changed the forecast. Many pundits where guessing at a el nino this coming year we are over due for one with the solar activity rising the two together would have “smashed” the global temperature record by .2 +
Common knowledge that does not need modals to project.
As it is you can see the effect of the solar maximum in this cycle projected into met estimate
January 11th, 2013 at 12:54 am
Which is why solar forcing can’t be discounted for late 20th century warming griff. Are you getting it now?
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 12:56 am
Jesus Christ I just got home from the pub (a few drinks with an old mate) and General Debate is still wanking on about Global Warming…
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 1:30 am
The solar output has been dropping since around 1970 that is to long a period between cause and effect.were did the heat hide
The solo cycle I referred to is the sunspot cycle of around 11 years The delay from memory is around 7 months
interestingly the last cycle was longer than the norm
If the sun spot cycle did stop and we entered into a solar minimum the effect is minimal around +-0.1 degrees
I read the paper last week bob C and defrizy and some one else placing the elnino as the cause of the present warming. The third guy done a projection modal run if you like using his theory. Massive fail he predicted a 0.4 degree drop over the last 3 years well wide of the mark. so that’s not a go ether
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 6:47 am
The once great NZ Herald.
Now a product of our failing socialist education systm Or perhaps the Aussie one. Who know what dumb turkey write the English prose for the.
http://screencast.com/t/i8ZDwCslW
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 6:53 am
Criminal parents using children as their meal ticket: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8165258/Police-expose-kids-neglect
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 7:04 am
damm no edit. grrrrr
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 7:04 am
Perhaps that’s the Herald’s problem. Do you think?
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Monica voted for him too: http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2013/01/bill-clinton-named-father-of-the-year-153760.html
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 8:17 am
griff “The solar output has been dropping since around 1970″
Really?
Vote:http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/solar-forcing-can-the-sun-heat-the-earth/
(note the data for the graph is from NOAA)
January 11th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Yes right now note the lack of rise since 1950
The temperature has trended up since 1970 quite considerably
Superimpose the temperature record over your graph and you will see a fall of in congruence since around 1970
Vote:To much lag half a century unless someone can find a mechanism for such a long delay between cause and effect
hence the suns activity and temperature on earth do have a effect but are not capable for being responsible for warming since 1970
The only input that does account for the warming since 1970 is co2
January 11th, 2013 at 9:59 am
“note the lack of rise”
Now we’re getting to the heart of the matter griff. If I put a pot on the stove to boil, do I have to keep increasing the temperature under the pot to maintain heating? No. The element heats up, and then maintains a constant heat until the water boils.
Vote:This is where the ‘consensus’ position becomes counter-intuitive.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:02 am
“Superimpose the temperature record over your graph”
Superimpose the temperature record over a CO2 emissions graph. You will see a fall in congruence since around 1998.
I posit that CO2 forcing has been given too much weighting compared to solar forcing.
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Without a doubt, Kiwis are the most stupid people I have every met, and ignorant of world events. If you want to see why, check out the front page news on Stuff. A dancing toddler ! What sort of moron does that appeal to, I shudder to think.
What a nation of dreary mindless socialists. I am well past caring what happens to us here in NZ. Let the “Asian Invasion” begin.
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 10:52 am
As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme
your continued use of a peak with a known reason as proof of no global warming is disingenuous
It may work for the readers of some rubbish articles and allow nutters to spin. You are trying to do the same with someone informed not a nutter.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm
Watch the vid
That’s why the significance of the little warming .1 since 1998 is so important it happened without the el nino or sunspot activitys contributions to global temperature leaving only the co2 induced warming as the cause . With or without these two natural inputs the temperature trend is still rising.
The co2 induced warming is still happening.
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 11:17 am
“As you know right now the elnino event in 1997 1998 was extreme” – well that argument puts alarmists in a tight spot griff. If we accept that 1997-1998 peak was largely due to natural variation, then that discredits the weighting given to CO2 forcing to cause that steep slope that has been the blade of the hockey stick. Which way do you want to have it? CO2 forcing or natural variation.
“use of a peak with a known reason as proof of no global warming” – wake up, nobody is denying there has been warming, it’s the causes we’re disputing.
“the significance of the little warming .1 since 1998 is so important” – yet it doesn’t agree with model projections or the contention that there will be more than 2 deg C warming per century.
However, since you like SS so much, I would like to refer you to this article, which delightfully points out that forcing from CO2 is of +0.63 W/m² and is congruent with scenario D – which leads to a century trend of around 1.5 deg C.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1332
So what’s the problem?
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Again you are spinning
nutter
Stupid RN the climate is warmer now without the natural warming effect of el nino or sunspot activity hence the natural effect is not stronger than the co2 forcing
Vote:If you can not see your logic flaw there is no further point in debating back to default.
Nutter
January 11th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Stupid grief, even SS says the trend is 1.5 deg C per century. Do you disagree?
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
The IPCC Fourth Assessment Report summarized climate sensitivity as “likely to be in the range 2 to 4.5°C with a best estimate of about 3°C, and is very unlikely to be less than 1.5°C. Values substantially higher than 4.5°C cannot be excluded, but agreement of models with observations is not as good for those values.”
Individual studies have put climate sensitivity from a doubling of CO2 at anywhere between 0.5°C and 10°C; however, as a consequence of increasingly better data, it appears that the extreme higher and lower values are very unlikely. In fact, as climate science has developed and advanced over time , estimates have converged around 3°C. A summary of recent climate sensitivity studies can be found here.
A study led by Stefan Rahmstorf concluded “many vastly improved models have been developed by a number of climate research centers around the world. Current state-of-the-art climate models span a range of 2.6–4.1°C, most clustering around 3°C” (Rahmstorf 2008). Several studies have put the lower bound of climate sensitivity at about 1.5°C,on the other hand, several others have found that a sensitivity higher than 4.5°C can’t be ruled out.
My position
Vote:2.6–4.1°C
January 11th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
There’s some suspension of disbelief if you think even 2.6 is realistic based on empirical data and given the weighting appled to GHG forcings by the consensus climate scientists
1) The increase in radiative forcing from GHG equivalents between 1990 and 2010 is 0.627 w/m^2
Data from the last table at http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/
2) SS argues that this amount of forcing makes scenario D the appropriate projection from the FAR
Table 2: FAR Figure A.6 radiative forcing projections from 1990 to 2010
(sorry I don’t think the table formatting is going to come across)
3) The scenario D projection according to the ‘Best estimate, graph B’ leads to a realised temperature rise of 1.9 deg C from 1875
http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1332
Ergo, according to empirical evidence, SS, and the FAR, there is likely to be less than another 1 deg C temperature rise by 2100.
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Good news huh? Assuming a linear increase in CO2 we can expect no more than 1 deg C per century of warming.
So what’s the problem?
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Yes right now if you use the outdated farr d projection from 1990 and ignore the last twenty years of research
Modern projections are for 2 to 4 as already stated
You can spin all you like
the aussies have a problem: its melting:
the yanks have a problem: its drying out and melting
the poms have a problem: its drowning
early days yet
climate change proven by the changes in the world around us: indisputable
reality hurts ostriches
Vote:when their arse gets bittern even though their heads are in the sand
January 11th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Griff, have you considered the Sun as a factor ? (you know, that enourmous Nuclear powered monstrosity that blasts our planet 24/7 )
Or is the warming entirely due to the trace gas co2 ?
If so, why is it cooler at night ?
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
your arse got a bittern griff? Did it fly up there or were you felching it?
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
squawk
because the fusion powered sun goes to beddybys?
have you considered that your brain farts are the cause of the warming
you have enough to melt your undies
I have yet to see a solid one with actual content
have you considered that scientists may actually know more about actual science than nutters in the right wing nut job category
Have you considered if right nows source of argument is correct there will be papers published proving the position
When that happens we can all forget about global warming
Vote:until then you ether follow science or follow known bullshit artists
Some choice for a intelligent unbiased person …..eh …….
January 11th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Losing track of time, discovering gaps in sentences where you have misplaced words, time and space appear to be on a wobble, and the day simply disappears.
According to one researcher these symptoms and a number of others, including feeling agitated and uneasy, are caused by solar flares.
In recent years, scientists are finding the Earth’s magnetic fields are far more significant than they previously thought. They now know that the human brain contains “millions of tiny magnetic particles.”
http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/37455-flaring-hot-summer.html
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Usual stuff from Griff. The debate moves beyond his Google skills, so he ignores questions and does a 2:06, before droppping any pretence of participation and launches a bunch of poorly exectuted ad hominem’s.
His eco-religious and guilt driven confirmation bias makes it impossible to entertain any thoughts outside the doomsday script. He is one of a diminishing number of foot soldiers, as the evidence that contradicts the CAGW theory mounts. As noted recently, once the ‘research’ grants start to dry up the scientists who are currently victims of income/lifestyle confirmation bias will move on, accelarting the end of the worlds biggest scam.
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
A Sheep No More
Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax
If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “Immunization Schedules,” which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government documents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease.
Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system’s elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study’s findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.
You can access Dr. Tomljenovic’s full paper here:
Vote:http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf
January 11th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
polio
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
diminishing number
evidence that contradicts the CAGW theory mounts
You are squawking to KK
saying diminishing numbers might make you feel part of a growing group it does not make it so
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/20/most_americans_believe_global_warming_is_caused_by_human_activity/
Saying there is mounting evidence does not produce that evidence
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm
Unfortunately for you the physical world is making it imposable for your continued attempts to place political expedience above scientific reality
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
hinamanu
Vote:We are being sympathetic to the KB community by keeping the agw debate on an obsolete page
Yes there is conspiwhacky thinking here
no we dont want to play alt med nutter anti science as well
January 11th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
“Unfortunately for you the physical world is making it imposable for your continued attempts to place political expedience above scientific reality”
Heh. The reality is that the un-adjusted temperature has flat-lined, and the only way to can claim it is warming is by blaming it on natural variation.
Even SS posts confirmation that the long term trend is way less than 2 deg C per century.
Vote:http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif
http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=1332
January 11th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Gosh Griff ! I was just asking, no need to get all snippy with me.
You put forward a very erudite, convincing and well written response. After reading that, I am sure many sceptics will now believe the world is ending because of farting cows on NZ dairy farms.
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
I had a mental picture of grift sifting through your undies looking for solid ones
Vote:January 11th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Well dome RN you have the concept now. The only way you can claim its not still rising is to ignore the natural variation.
cycle is such a hard concept for nutters to grasp UP AND DOWN around a norm with a warming trend busyrising underneath
one a random SOI one a eleven years sunspot CYCLES
sunspot going up warming soi in el nino warming
last five years no el nino no sunspots still record warmth
coming years with sunspots and or elnino
significant new record that makes denial even harder to support
chance 50% that any given year in the future will be a new record\Uk met service
Meanwhile record climate extremes grow even more convincing and denial even less supportable
Vote:http://www.meatpoultry.com/News/News%20Home/Business/2013/1/Weather%20extremes%20in%202012%20to%20impact%20food%20prices.aspx?cck=1
The NOAA also compiles what it calls the US Climate Extremes index, and 2012 was the second most extreme year on record for the nation. The index, which evaluates extremes in temperature and precipitation, as well as landfalling tropical cyclones, was nearly twice the average value and second only to 1998. To date, 2012 has seen 11 disasters that have reached the $1 billion threshold in losses
http://www.onmilwaukee.com/market/articles/jagler010913.html
“As the Washington Insurance Commissioner, I am concerned because increasing weather-related losses pose threats to the industry’s financial stability, which could ultimately lead to a crisis of affordability and availability of essential insurance for consumers and businesses, as well as solvency problems for insurers themselves. Potentially larger extreme weather losses in the future, driven by climate change, make these scenarios especially worrisome,” Kreidler wrote in September, not knowing at the time that Sandy was right around the corner.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
It seems you’re saying that even the current climate is catastrophic griff? Climate changes FFS.
We can’t sustain the whole 2 degree C thing after all?
From the SS article we see the increase in radiative forcing from GHG’s has been .63 w/m^2 between 1990 and 2010, but that level of increase isn’t enough to take us above 2 deg C in a hundred years!
Vote: